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Johannes Patruus

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Nov 25, 2009, 3:56:15 PM11/25/09
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David / Amicus

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Nov 26, 2009, 3:40:42 PM11/26/09
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Imo -->


IF IT'S NOT LATIN IT'S NOT RITE

Ed Cryer

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Nov 26, 2009, 7:02:02 PM11/26/09
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"David / Amicus" <Ami...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Imo -->
>
>
> IF IT'S NOT LATIN IT'S NOT RITE
>

Rite scriptum, Amice, et rite intellectum.

Edus

David / Amicus

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Dec 9, 2009, 6:46:48 PM12/9/09
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I ordered the book and it arrived today!

Ed Cryer

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Dec 10, 2009, 7:44:16 AM12/10/09
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"David / Amicus" <Ami...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>I ordered the book and it arrived today!
>

When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the
dunces are in a confederacy against him. ~Swift

Hoc signo ingenium verum noveris; quod omnium stultorum confoederatio
contra eum fiet.
Edus


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Ed Cryer

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Dec 10, 2009, 12:52:51 PM12/10/09
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"B. T. Raven" <ni...@nihilo.net> wrote in message
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> I think it has to be either igeniosum verum (for a person) or "When
> true
> genius..." Also "... contra id" if ingenium (quality rather than
> person).
>
> Tantum est opinio mea.
>
> The whole tenor of Waquet's book is that Latin is completely dead and
> its epitaph has been written. Its appropriate place is with
> hieroglyphic
> and cuneiform studies, strictly the bailiwick of marginally relevant
> specialists.
>
> Eduardus

I had that debate with myself when I was writing it; and I settled for
"eum" with good reason. I've reconsidered based on your objection, but I
still go for "eum". OK, so I'll expound on my reasoning. It'll probably
stimulate some good debate.

You can say "Multitudo magna hominum adest" or "Multitudo magna hominum
adsunt"; it matches English - a crowd of people is/are present.
Secondly there's that famous sentence of Vergil's "Varium et semper
mutabile femina" (woman is a fickle thing).
And thirdly, the hoi polloi tend not to attack the intelligentsia in the
"ingenium"; no, they launch their attacks more against the man, trample
on his flower-beds or call him names.

Well, there are my reasons; grammatical ones and semantic ones. So I'm
sticking with "eum".

Another solution might be to have "homo summo ingenio" rather than
"ingenium".

Ed

P.S. Waquet's stark view is a bit depressing even to me. But I can
probably find peace with it more easily than yourself.
There's "dead" and then there's "dead". Shakespeare is dead, but not his
plays. Horace is dead, but not his poems. Homer is dead, but everybody's
heard of Helen of Troy.


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