Re: Scientists Assert Indigenous origin of Indian Civilization
harmony
people, i certainly have never met one. people who can't get a job in usa
become linguist, and get govt money. but boy, can they make noise to be
heard!
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> Director
> Bal Ram Singh, Ph.D.
> Phone: 508-999-8588
> Fax: 508-999-8451
> Email: bsi...@umassd.edu
>
>
> Date: July 3, 2006
>
> PRESS RELEASE
>
> Scientists Collide with Linguists to Assert Indigenous origin of Indian
> Civilization
>
> Comprehensive population genetics data along with archeological and
> astronomical evidence presented at June 23-25, 2006 conference in
> Dartmouth, MA, overwhelmingly concluded that Indian civilization and
> its human population is indigenous.
>
> In fact, the original people and culture within the Indian Subcontinent
> may even be a likely pool for the genetic, linguistic, and cultural
> origin of the most rest of the world, particularly Europe and Asia.
>
> Leading evidences come from population genetics, which were presented
> by two leading researchers in the field, Dr. V. K. Kashyap, National
> Institute of Biologicals, India, and Dr. Peter Underhill of Stanford
> University in California. Their results generally contradict the notion
> Aryan invasion/migration theory for the origin of Indian civilization.
>
> Underhill concluded "the spatial frequency distributions of both L1
> frequency and variance levels show a spreading pattern emanating from
> India", referring to a Y chromosome marker. He, however, put several
> caveats before interpreting genetic data, including "Y-ancestry may not
> always reflect the ancestry of the rest of the genome"
>
> Dr. Kashyap, on the other hand, with the most comprehensive set of
> genetic data was quite emphatic in his assertion that there is "no
> clear genetic evidence for an intrusion of Indo-Aryan people into
> India, [and] establishment of caste system and gene flow."
>
> Michael Witzel, a Harvard linguist, who is known to lead the idea of
> Aryan invasion/migration/influx theory in more recent times, continued
> to question genetic evidence on the basis that it does not provide the
> time resolution to explain events that may have been involved in Aryan
> presence in India.
>
> Dr. Kashyap's reply was that even though the time resolution needs
> further work, the fact that there are clear and distinct differences in
> the gene pools of Indian population and those of Central Asian and
> European groups, the evidence nevertheless negates any Aryan invasion
> or migration into Indian Subcontinent.
>
> Witzel though refused to present his own data and evidence for his
> theories despite being invited to do so was nevertheless present in the
> conference and raised many questions. Some of his commentaries
> questioning the credibility of scholars evoked sharp responses from
> other participants.
>
> Rig Veda has been dated to 1,500 BC by those who use linguistics to
> claim its origin Aryans coming out of Central Asia and Europe.
> Archaeologist B.B. Lal and scientist and historian N.S. Rajaram
> disagreed with the position of linguists, in particular Witzel who
> claimed literary and linguistic evidence for the non-Indian origin of
> the Vedic civilization.
>
> Dr. Narahari Achar, a physicist from University of Memphis clearly
> showed with astronomical analysis that the Mahabharata war in 3,067 BC,
> thus poking a major hole in the outside Aryan origin of Vedic people.
>
> Interestingly, Witzel stated, for the first time to many in the
> audience, that he and his colleagues no longer subscribe to Aryan
> invasion theory.
>
> Dr. Bal Ram Singh, Director, Center for Indic Studies at UMass
> Dartmouth, which organized the conference was appalled at the level of
> visceral feelings Witzel holds against some of the scholars in the
> field, but felt satisfied with the overall outcome of the conference.
>
> "I am glad to see people who have been scholarly shooting at each other
> for about a decade are finally in one room, this is a progress", said
> Singh.
>
> The conference was able to bring together in one room for the first
> time experts from genetics, archeology, physics, linguistics,
> anthropology, history, and philosophy. A proceedings of the conference
> is expected to come out soon, detailing various arguments on the origin
> of Indian civilization.
>
> Bal Ram Singh, Ph.D. Director, Center for Indic Studies University of
> Massachusetts Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Road Dartmouth, MA 02747
>
> Phone: 508-999-8588 Fax: 508-999-8451 Email: bsi...@umassd.edu
>
> Internet address: http://www.umassd.edu/indic
>
harmony
hope i never ever hear the word proto.
me
> sanskrit is the ancestor of all civilized people
Not unless Sanskrit has sperm and ova.
> and their languages. i
> hope i never ever hear the word proto.
You will until you publish work showing how German, etc. are derived from
Sanskrit. In the case of German, these would have to include publications
that describe transformations from Sanskrit to German more satisfactorily
than Grimm, Verner, etc. described transformations from PIE to German.
> <ime...@comcast.net> wrote ...
Not likely. They can't arrive at such a date using purely linguistic data.
harmony
"me" <nor...@noreply.net> wrote in message
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> harmony wrote:
>> sanskrit is the ancestor of all civilized people
>
> Not unless Sanskrit has sperm and ova.
>
>> and their languages. i
>> hope i never ever hear the word proto.
>
> You will until you publish work showing how German, etc. are derived from
> Sanskrit.
it's is. more so than you can show from any other source. and you can't.
>In the case of German, these would have to include publications
> that describe transformations from Sanskrit to German more satisfactorily
> than Grimm, Verner, etc. described transformations from PIE to German.
>
this is lame.
nonsensical criterion of some white guys who never spoke sankrit. karl marx
definitely would have hit them over their heads with a baseball bat if he
had gotten around them.
germans are very eager to show they are aryans, and that's their inner voice
talking, much powerful than made up pie charts.
me
>
> "me" <nor...@noreply.net> wrote in message
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>> harmony wrote:
>>> sanskrit is the ancestor of all civilized people
>>
>> Not unless Sanskrit has sperm and ova.
>>
>>> and their languages. i
>>> hope i never ever hear the word proto.
>>
>> You will until you publish work showing how German, etc. are derived from
>> Sanskrit.
>
> it's is. more so than you can show from any other source. and you can't.
You can look up Grimms' laws and Verner's law yourself any time you decide
to take off your blinkers; I don't need to show them to you. You, however,
need to show me Hindu scholars' alternative to Grimms' and Verner's law,
since I can't seem to find their work on how German is derived from
Sanskrit.
>>In the case of German, these would have to include publications
>> that describe transformations from Sanskrit to German more satisfactorily
>> than Grimm, Verner, etc. described transformations from PIE to German.
>>
>
> this is lame.
> nonsensical criterion of some white guys who never spoke sankrit.
They did. They tried to derive many languages from Sanskrit and failed. If
they had succeeded, they wouldn't have tried to reconstruct PIE. Also, they
later discovered more archaic languages (Hittite) than Sanskrit but the
science of reconstruction of phonology of proto-languages had advanced
sufficiently that Saussaure predicted laryngeal features of Hittite even
before they were discovered. Show where Hindu scholars derived the
laryngeals of Hittite from Sanskrit or predicted that such features might
be discovered.
> karl
> marx definitely would have hit them over their heads with a baseball bat
> if he had gotten around them.
> germans are very eager to show they are aryans,
Not as eager as Hindutvadis are.