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Herve Autret  
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 More options Nov 15 2009, 7:25 pm
Newsgroups: alt.lang.intercal
From: Herve Autret <aut...@alussinan.org>
Date: 16 Nov 2009 00:25:26 GMT
Local: Sun, Nov 15 2009 7:25 pm
Subject: NO SKELETON ...
Hi there,

I'm trying to get an INTERCAL compiler running in order to be able, at
least one day in my life, to feel what is a really terrific powerful
computing tool.

I feel that it could harm someone orother if I was really about to -say-
use it in order to hack a mainframe in my company, so I promise I won't
say it's me^W^W^W.

By the way, it looks like I can't hack anything at all, as i^HIck allways
claims there's "NO SKELETON IN MY CLOSET, WOE IS ME".

What^WPlease, does anyone figure out what it could be about ? A wrong or
missing compilation option in bison ?

Cheers
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Claudio Calvelli  
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 More options Nov 16 2009, 3:30 am
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From: Claudio Calvelli <qwertyu...@asdfghjkl.zxcvbnm.not>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:30:40 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Mon, Nov 16 2009 3:30 am
Subject: Re: NO SKELETON ...
On 2009-11-16, Herve Autret <aut...@alussinan.org> wrote:

> By the way, it looks like I can't hack anything at all, as i^HIck allways
> claims there's "NO SKELETON IN MY CLOSET, WOE IS ME".

That means exactly what it says. Ick needs a skeleton[1] to compile your
program, and after looking all over the place (including in the closet[0])
it still cannot find it.

If you built ick but did not install it, you probably need to tell ick where
the closet it by setting ICKDATADIR to some suitable directory[-1], preferably
one which contains "ick-wrap.c".

I'm sure AIS will have a better answer, but hope this helps a bit.

CLC

[-2] this footnote is unreferenced
[-1] how you do that depends on your operating system / shell / philosophy
[0] that would be the dark hidden place where C-INTERCAL keeps its secrets
[1] a file containing bits to feed to your C compiler. C compilers are
    known to eat all sorts of weird things.


 
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Herve Autret  
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 More options Nov 16 2009, 3:55 am
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From: Herve Autret <aut...@alussinan.org>
Date: 16 Nov 2009 08:55:32 GMT
Local: Mon, Nov 16 2009 3:55 am
Subject: Re: NO SKELETON ...
Hi Claudio :

> If you built ick but did not install it,

 ... Install ? I'll consider installing after 2-3 things else fail.

> you probably need to [set] ICKDATADIR to some suitable directory[-1],
> preferably one which contains "ick-wrap.c".

It didn't do anything. So I installed it.

Wow ! Now I'm told "A SOURCE IS A SOURCE, OF COURSE, OF COURSE". Okay
okay, I had not to try writing my own INTERCAL source codes before I knew
anything about it.

> hope this helps a bit.

Thanks a lot. I'll be back as soon as I feel I've a clever question.

> C compilers are
>     known to eat all sorts of weird things.

That Ick is not, of course !
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ais523  
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 More options Nov 16 2009, 4:18 am
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From: ais523 <ais...@bham.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:18:35 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 16 2009 4:18 am
Subject: Re: NO SKELETON ...

This error means that the skeleton file ick-wrap.c couldn't be found.
The
compiler will try looking in various places for it; you can see where
it's
looking by using ick -u rather than just ick (which will print a
little list of
the locations in question). You'll definitely be able to make it work
by
copying ick-wrap.c to the current directory; there are a few other
places
it will be accepted from, too.

Note that if you're having the skeleton error, you're likely to have a
problem
finding syslib.i when you try to compile a program that needs it; the
error
message for this is "SAYING 'ABRACADABRA' WITHOUT A MAGIC WAND
WON'T DO YOU ANY GOOD" (error 127). It can be fixed the same way as
the ick-wrap error, by moving syslib.i (which should be in pit/lib/
syslib.i in
the distribution tarball) somewhere that ick can find it. (Likewise,
if you
want to be able to compile TriINTERCAL programs that use its version
of
the system library, you'll want to move syslib.3i, etc, in the same
way.)

Incidentally, what platform are you on? Issues where finding the
skeleton
and syslib files don't "just work" are something I'd like to fix
between the
beta and actual release of 0.29, but in order to fix them I need to
know
what's causing them first.

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Herve Autret  
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 More options Nov 16 2009, 9:15 am
Newsgroups: alt.lang.intercal
From: Herve Autret <aut...@alussinan.org>
Date: 16 Nov 2009 14:15:16 GMT
Local: Mon, Nov 16 2009 9:15 am
Subject: Re: NO SKELETON ...

ais523 wrote:
> "SAYING 'ABRACADABRA' WITHOUT A MAGIC WAND WON'T DO YOU ANY GOOD"

 Phew ... frightening computing as I love it !

> Incidentally, what platform are you on?

It's a flat plate with 5 rolling feet, a back and 2 armrests. I think
it's called an armchair. I've installed it just in front of a linux box
with a Slackware-12.0.0 running in it.

> Issues where finding the skeleton and syslib files don't "just work"
> are something I'd like to fix between the beta and actual release of
> 0.29,

I was aiming to use intercal-0.24 but I'm interested in having a newer
version. Btw, none of the links you gave in
<news:1be14c93-b352-4a52-812b-2c0c2508188e@n20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
ran for me. Do you intend to release a newer archive as before
2010-04-01 ?

> but in order to fix them I need to know what's causing them first.

It was just me, don't worry. Ick's working fine since I've made install.
--
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Claudio Calvelli  
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 More options Nov 16 2009, 9:34 am
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From: Claudio Calvelli <qwertyu...@asdfghjkl.zxcvbnm.not>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:34:32 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Mon, Nov 16 2009 9:34 am
Subject: Re: NO SKELETON ...
On 2009-11-16, Herve Autret <aut...@alussinan.org> wrote:

> I was aiming to use intercal-0.24 but I'm interested in having a newer
> version.

You can download one from http://overload.intercal.org.uk/#c

Please let me know if there is any problem with this site and I'll go
and find my big clue bat :-)

CLC


 
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Herve Autret  
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 More options Nov 16 2009, 10:26 am
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From: Herve Autret <aut...@alussinan.org>
Date: 16 Nov 2009 15:26:14 GMT
Local: Mon, Nov 16 2009 10:26 am
Subject: Re: NO SKELETON ...
Hello Claudio :

> You can download one from http://overload.intercal.org.uk/#c
> Please let me know if there is any problem with this site and I'll go
> and find my big clue bat :-)

Thank you. To make tests in pit/, it lacks count.3i, iogerunds.i, sink.i
and hello.i. I had such-called source files in intercal-0.24 and I copied
them in pit. Everething compiled and some of the programs even seem to
work.

I've been impressed by the clarity of count's output, for instance.
Conversely, I did not catch up what does bubble mean when, say :
$ ./bubble
5 6 4 7 3 8
ICL579I WHAT BASE AND/OR LANGUAGE INCLUDES 5?
        ON ...

I suppose that I didn't spell "5" correctly. How would you type it ?

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Herve Autret  
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 More options Nov 16 2009, 3:20 pm
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From: Herve Autret <aut...@alussinan.org>
Date: 16 Nov 2009 20:20:06 GMT
Local: Mon, Nov 16 2009 3:20 pm
Subject: Re:GOT A SKELETON ...
Hi ClC and AIS,

> Please let me know if there is any problem with this site and I'll go
> and find my big clue bat :-)

I'm reading some nibbles of the 0.-2.0.29 source code (ick_binout for now)
You've done really a great job, you guys !
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Claudio Calvelli  
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 More options Nov 16 2009, 3:54 pm
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From: Claudio Calvelli <qwertyu...@asdfghjkl.zxcvbnm.not>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:54:27 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Mon, Nov 16 2009 3:54 pm
Subject: Re: GOT A SKELETON ...
On 2009-11-16, Herve Autret <aut...@alussinan.org> wrote:

> I'm reading some nibbles of the 0.-2.0.29 source code (ick_binout for now)
> You've done really a great job, you guys !

I take no credit for ick, I only provide download space.
(Of course I do take credit/blame for sick but that's a different compiler).

CLC


 
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ais523  
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 More options Nov 17 2009, 7:41 am
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From: ais523 <ais...@bham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:41:22 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 17 2009 7:41 am
Subject: Re: NO SKELETON ...

Herve Autret wrote:
> I've been impressed by the clarity of count's output, for instance.
> Conversely, I did not catch up what does bubble mean when, say :
> $ ./bubble
> 5 6 4 7 3 8
> ICL579I WHAT BASE AND/OR LANGUAGE INCLUDES 5?
>    ON ...

> I suppose that I didn't spell "5" correctly. How would you type it ?

You want to type each of the digits of a number separately, and one
number per line. Additionally, the numbers need to be written out in
words in a choice of languages (recent C-INTERCAL accepts English,
Sanskrit, Basque, Tagalog, Classical Nahuatl, Georgian, Kwakiutl, and
Latin).

See <http://c.intercal.org.uk/manual/rk2755lr.htm> for more details
about INTERCAL-72-style numeric IO (which bubble.i uses).

--
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