RFD: comp.compilers.hla

[Nathan Baker]

REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group comp.compilers.hla

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
unmoderated newsgroup comp.compilers.hla

NEWSGROUPS LINE:
comp.compilers.hla ISA/opcodes to SEH, OOP, CTL, stdlib

RATIONALE:

This newsgroup is meant for the discussion and mutual support of the
High Level Assembly (the language, assembler, and standard library)
as developed by Randall Hyde. Though Randy's implementation is
not the first or only high-level assembler, it has become iconic due to
his persistent promotion, the commercial (and otherwise) uses that he
and others applied it to, and the task that it served (teaching low-level
concepts to students coming from a high-level background*).

Another reason for a new group is to provide a commons for all efforts
approaching a Von Neumann Architecture idiom. The current Century is
saturated with a "glossy brochure" potential in faster hardware {i.e.,
mobile computing, modified Harvard Arch, fiber optics, SSD, arduino};
connected usage {i.e., social networking, WAH, SOHO, SAS}; and fad
development methodologies {i.e., FP, HTML5, parallel computing}. Either
in spite of or because of this context, Von Neumann Arch continues its
vital role in advanced research, development, and academia. Sustainable
benefit of this group is self-evident when seasoned coders quest for a
way to visualize ISA processes upholding the "big picture" from script,
interpret/compile, to execute and systems level.

________
*It is noteworthy to recognize that Randy's "Art of Assembly Language"
[2nd Edition] happens to be one of a small number of {modern} University
texts on the subject.

CHARTER:

The unmoderated newsgroup 'comp.compilers.hla' will be open to
discussions on all topics related to High Level Assembly Language;
associated theory, tools, processes, and results; and the general
consideration of the Von Neumann Architecture Machine as a central
idiom in Computer Science.

Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to:
Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
Structured Exception Handling, Namespaces, Data Typing, Macros,
Compile-Time Language (CTL), Classes and Objects (OOP),
Standard Library (stdlib), Parameter Passing, Multi-Precision Arithmetic,
Linking, Lexical Analysis, Parsing, Code Optimization, etc.
Any related languages and technologies such as Forth, Scheme, LLVM,
JIT, AOT, CIL, etc.

Posters are expected to abide by normal Usenet standards of decorum,
and to ignore articles intended to disrupt the group. Those who are
unfamiliar with UseNet are encouraged to read the standard FAQs in
these locations:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/news-newusers-into/
http://www.anta.net/misc/nnq/
http://groups.google.com/group/news.newusers.questions/topics

PROCEDURE:

Please refer to the newsgroup creation policies listed here:

http://big-8.org/w/index.php/Creation

All discussion of active proposals should be posted to
news.groups.proposals.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion
may be crossposted to those groups, but care should be taken to ensure
that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well.

DISTRIBUTION:

This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
alt.lang.asm

PROPONENT:

Nathan C. Baker nathan...@nospam.gmail.com
(CLAX moderator)

CHANGE HISTORY:
2013-3-31 Initial RFD.

[Herbert Kleebauer]

On 31.03.2013 07:24, Nathan Baker wrote:
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group comp.compilers.hla

> This newsgroup is meant for the discussion and mutual support of the
> High Level Assembly (the language, assembler, and standard library)
> as developed by Randall Hyde.

Will be interesting to see how much traffic you will get
on a dead topic (assembly programming) in a dead medium
(news groups).

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.lang.asm/about

Hope you will have success with this group, because this
would be the final prove that HLA isn't an assembly language
(the dead never become alive again).

[Frank Kotler]

Herbert Kleebauer wrote:
> On 31.03.2013 07:24, Nathan Baker wrote:
>> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>> unmoderated group comp.compilers.hla
>
>> This newsgroup is meant for the discussion and mutual support of the
>> High Level Assembly (the language, assembler, and standard library)
>> as developed by Randall Hyde.
>
> Will be interesting to see how much traffic you will get
> on a dead topic (assembly programming) in a dead medium
> (news groups).

Certainly "aoaprogramming", the !YAHOO! group, isn't very lively lately.

> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.lang.asm/about

Interesting that the all-time top poster was... Betov! (possibly also
dead... anyone know?)

> Hope you will have success with this group, because this
> would be the final prove that HLA isn't an assembly language
> (the dead never become alive again).

What a thing to say! On Easter, too! Happy Easter, to all those of that
persuasion. (or as my daughter calls it, "zombie Jesus day")

Best,
Frank

[Nathan Baker]

"Herbert Kleebauer" <kl...@unibwm.de> wrote in message
news:kj8qp8$ep3$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> On 31.03.2013 07:24, Nathan Baker wrote:
>> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>> unmoderated group comp.compilers.hla
>
>> This newsgroup is meant for the discussion and mutual support of the
>> High Level Assembly (the language, assembler, and standard library)
>> as developed by Randall Hyde.
>
> Will be interesting to see how much traffic you will get
> on a dead topic (assembly programming) in a dead medium
> (news groups).
>

Ha! You are a damn pessimist!! :)

> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.lang.asm/about
>

That is "Fascist propaganda," I swear it is! ;)

Seriously, you should visit some of the other groups and forums.... I
recently did a quick "look around" and discovered lots of interesting
projects that I'd been completely un-aware of. Some really amaizing things
happening.

Glad to hear from you again. Feel free to visit the fine folks in CLAX when
you get bored.

Nathan.

[Nathan Baker]

"Frank Kotler" <fbko...@myfairpoint.net> wrote in message
news:kjad0f$dn$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> Herbert Kleebauer wrote:
>> On 31.03.2013 07:24, Nathan Baker wrote:
>>> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>>> unmoderated group comp.compilers.hla
>>
>>> This newsgroup is meant for the discussion and mutual support of the
>>> High Level Assembly (the language, assembler, and standard library)
>>> as developed by Randall Hyde.
>>
>> Will be interesting to see how much traffic you will get
>> on a dead topic (assembly programming) in a dead medium
>> (news groups).
>
> Certainly "aoaprogramming", the !YAHOO! group, isn't very lively lately.
>

I recently managed to hammer a bloated OS into a machine that wasn't
designed to hold it. The thing "isn't very lively" but I am often surprised
at what I can coax it to do. "It's a journey not a destination" is what I
think they say???

>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.lang.asm/about
>
> Interesting that the all-time top poster was... Betov! (possibly also
> dead... anyone know?)
>

I don't know, but I bet I could find out.

>> Hope you will have success with this group, because this
>> would be the final prove that HLA isn't an assembly language
>> (the dead never become alive again).
>
> What a thing to say! On Easter, too! Happy Easter, to all those of that
> persuasion. (or as my daughter calls it, "zombie Jesus day")
>

Strange thing is, when I was younger, I actually considered the possibility
of aliens, bigfoot, and a few other superstitions (although I'll probably
never quite rule-out the issue on aliens of some type). I'm pretty positive
that some of today's generation actually believe that zombies are for real.
Then there are those that seem to be very stubborn about extreme necrotism.
Well, "everything in moderation" has always been my moto. To each his own.

Glad to see you've made it through the nasty snowstorms, Frank. Hope you
had a Happy Easter.

Take care all,
Nathan.