spam killing the Forum
Terence
volunteer, and start a moderated group under a similar name, on Google
Groups.
Then most spam is detected and sidelined to a "please confirm" file,
where honest postings can be tagged by an informed moderator, for
immediate release; while the others are quickly junked and do not
appear in public.
Lack of postings and business will then deter this plague.
Rui Maciel
The irony of this is that you are posting this message to a series of newsgroups,
in effect spamming them.
Rui Maciel
James Harris
The spam is a plague. Last time I checked most of it came from Google.
Google were policing some newsgroups and made a big difference in
them. Unfortunately despite their vast income they seem to have
abandoned policing for at least some of the groups that they have
policed well in the past.
A Google Group (in spite of Google being responsible for this mess)
might have been a good idea if it could be restricted to members but
many people read Usenet and this group in particular via local
newsreaders and not via the Web. I don't think they would appreciate a
change to a web front end. Plus there are already many member-based
forum web sites. The distinguishing factor for Usenet is its open and
universal access. A two sided coin.
Final point: Moderated Usenet is another option. Group
comp.lang.asm.x86 is moderated but may be looking for a new moderator.
James
Nathan
>
> Final point: Moderated Usenet is another option. Group
> comp.lang.asm.x86 is moderated but may be looking for a new moderator.
>
Basically, we are in the process of re-locating the server. If
everything works the way I think it will, then most of the spam-
filtering will be automatic and we can have "white list" functionality
again. Please bear with us during this transition...
Nathan.
Terence
This is an unexpected but welcome reply.
I didn't know that anybody was "behind the wheel".
All it takes is either a queue entry to a watchful moderator;
or a moderator with the power to remove or replace a posted item;
or a spam filter on the input side of the posting service.
I was an assembler programmer (~1956) before anythnig else in IT.
wolfgang kern
Jim Higgins wrote:
> Move to Google to avoid Google spam? Oh, HELL NO!
> Yes, this would work as you describe, but I'd rather be poked in the
> eye with a sharp stick than deal with the Google web interface.
> Also it just rubs me the wrong way to use Google to avoid a problem
> caused by Google spammers that Google does little about. Google
> allows the problem to continue, but offers refuge from it if you set
> up moderated groups on Google. Not NO, but HELL NO!
> What this sort of thing will do in the long run is "Balkanize" Usenet.
> And when the "Real Usenet" loses enough critical mass to places like
> Google, it dies.
> Far better (IMHO) that we simply filter everything with a MessageID
> containing "googlegroups.com" and the good folks posting from there
> come back to Usenet.
I'm full with you here, we should try what we can to keep UseNet alive.
__
wolfgang
Willow
Willow
wolfgang kern wrote:
> Jim Higgins wrote:
[snip]
B M
Complacency is the apparent order of the day.
wolfgang kern
"B M" recognised:
> well, it seems to me that since this thread began, NO ONE has marked any
> SPAM -as- SPAM.
> Complacency is the apparent order of the day.
The answer from my side is just I can't see much SPAM, neither in
newsgroups nor in my various mailboxes (thanks to my provider).
The last SPAM I saw was a shoe-seller's announcement in AOD.
__
wolfgang
Rick C. Hodgin
Frank Kotler
> well, it seems to me that since this thread began, NO ONE has marked any SPAM -as- SPAM.
>
> Complacency is the apparent order of the day.
Ignorance? Apathy?
Who knows? Who cares?
Best,
Frank
Rod Pemberton
news:0fb7c81b-ca40-4344...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com...
>
> well, it seems to me that since this thread began, NO ONE has marked any
> SPAM -as- SPAM.
>
Uh, how does one mark the spam as spam on Usenet, exactly? ...
Most of Usenet is not moderated, including here. alt.* is for non-topical
stuff. I.e., _everything_ *should* come through, including spam.
BTW, I've not seen many here since this thread began. It looks like, maybe
7 of them in '10, most immediately *after* this thread.
> Complacency is the apparent order of the day.
>
The Usenet server where I read has very little spam. Maybe, their feed is
filtered. In general, I think spam has been low the past few years, and so
have Usenet users and posts...
Google Groups, when archiving Usenet newsgroups, doesn't seem to get it's
news with spam filtered out. E.g., for alt.lang.asm, GG has spam on Feb
12th and on Jan 16th etc. which I don't see on two other publicly readable
Usenet servers. Like I said, _everything_ *should* come through... ;-)
Rod Pemberton
Frank Kotler
> "B M" <idk...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0fb7c81b-ca40-4344...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com...
>> well, it seems to me that since this thread began, NO ONE has marked any
>> SPAM -as- SPAM.
>>
>
> Uh, how does one mark the spam as spam on Usenet, exactly? ...
Branding iron.
I think "B M" may mean "off-topic drivel" (such as this) rather than
"spam" as I understand it. Help for the fat and limp, college degrees,
fake watches, HOT SEX VIDEOS...
> Most of Usenet is not moderated, including here. alt.* is for non-topical
> stuff. I.e., _everything_ *should* come through, including spam.
You should *see* what comes to the clax moderation address! This may be
"email spam" rather than "newsgroup spam" - there are a couple of email
"hops" involved. There's a lot of it!
> BTW, I've not seen many here since this thread began. It looks like, maybe
> 7 of them in '10, most immediately *after* this thread.
>
>> Complacency is the apparent order of the day.
>>
>
> The Usenet server where I read has very little spam. Maybe, their feed is
> filtered.
I think so. Most usenet servers are running "INN", I understand, which,
I understand, has "hooks" where Perl scripts can be inserted for this
purpose. I am only ASSuming that this is being done...
> In general, I think spam has been low the past few years, and so
> have Usenet users and posts...
My impression is that spam comes and goes in waves - both in amount, and
content. Haven't seen a "college degree" for a while, and Acacia Berry
seems to have died out... for now... Legitimate posts come in waves,
too, of course...
>
> Google Groups, when archiving Usenet newsgroups, doesn't seem to get it's
> news with spam filtered out. E.g., for alt.lang.asm, GG has spam on Feb
> 12th and on Jan 16th etc.
Not nearly enough. Unless a moderated group "attracts" spam. Looking at
the headers... some of 'em do seem to target the
"group...@moderators.isc.org" address. Some have multiple cc's to
several group names. Curiously, some of 'em are addressed to
"some-oth...@moderators.isc.org", and still make it to the
clax86-submit address. Blind cc's, maybe? Or they're saying, over at
isc.org, "We don't know who this is for - send it to Nathan!". Some of
'em definitely were posted as usenet messages - "!not-for-mail" in the
"Path:" field... A lot of 'em appear to have been posted from Google
Groups, too. Hmmm...
> which I don't see on two other publicly readable
> Usenet servers. Like I said, _everything_ *should* come through... ;-)
You may be right, but I suspect it's "filtered". I suspect we wouldn't
like it if it wasn't. There are a *lot* of people out there who want to
sell you sh^Htuff. Mail, too. Hope there aren't too many "false
positives". Haven't heard from my old friend Joe Viagra for a while
(tempting fate)...
Best,
Frank
Nomen Nescio
Same way as usual...scoring headers and body and blacklisting spam domains.
> The Usenet server where I read has very little spam. Maybe, their feed is
> filtered.
It's definitely filtered. Check their site.
> Google Groups, when archiving Usenet newsgroups, doesn't seem to get it's
> news with spam filtered out. E.g., for alt.lang.asm, GG has spam on Feb
> 12th and on Jan 16th etc. which I don't see on two other publicly readable
> Usenet servers. Like I said, _everything_ *should* come through... ;-)
That's because most usenet spam comes thru google. Many people reject all
googlegroups posts for this reason.
wolfgang kern
Frank Kotler mentioned about Spam...
...
absolutely true.
I think spammers are aware of filters in use and may be sometimes
able to override or just use the filters to pass on their message,
usually only for one or a second attempt but for sure no more times.
Anti-spam filters became somehow smart today, so we may not often see
wide-spread posts in news-groups and more rare in our mail-boxes.
Also morphing spammers were easy detected and discarded finally.
Thanks for the smart filtering to my providers yet.
__
wolfgang
wolfgang kern
Rod Pemberton asked:
>> well, it seems to me that since this thread began, NO ONE has marked any
>> SPAM -as- SPAM.
> Uh, how does one mark the spam as spam on Usenet, exactly? ...
UseNet providers have various Spam-filters available per default and give
us 'net-customers' some options to decide what's spam and what may pass.
Criterias are often just 'multi/cross-addressed posts' or more than
three NGs addressed beside literal checks of the RE: and other parts
in the header of any post. My net-account allow me to setup several
filter-criterias on my own, so I have to be careful to not wipe new
customers off the scenario :)
__
wolfgang
Rod Pemberton
news:c130c49b9076c1d0...@dizum.com...
> > Uh, how does one mark the spam as spam on Usenet, exactly? ...
>
> Same way as usual...scoring headers and body and blacklisting spam
domains.
>
How would I go about marking Usenet posts as spam? What steps exactly?
There's no method available for *me* personally to do that, AFAIK. That was
the point of the question...
> > The Usenet server where I read has very little spam.
> > Maybe, their feed is filtered.
>
> It's definitely filtered. Check their site.
>
What site? Port 80 is not active. It has 119 and 22. It also has two
other ports I've _never_ seen used before... Both a Google and Yahoo search
for the domain and common variations turns up no useful information about
them.
Rod Pemberton
Nathan Baker
"Rod Pemberton" <do_no...@noavailemail.cmm> wrote in message
news:in16t8$5qh$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
> news:c130c49b9076c1d0...@dizum.com...
>> > Uh, how does one mark the spam as spam on Usenet, exactly? ...
>>
>> Same way as usual...scoring headers and body and blacklisting spam
> domains.
>>
>
> How would I go about marking Usenet posts as spam? What steps exactly?
> There's no method available for *me* personally to do that, AFAIK. That
> was
> the point of the question...
>
The OP is probably refering to a feature of Google Groups where they have a
link beside each post to "report" that post as spam.
>> > The Usenet server where I read has very little spam.
>> > Maybe, their feed is filtered.
>>
>> It's definitely filtered. Check their site.
>>
>
> What site? Port 80 is not active. It has 119 and 22. It also has two
> other ports I've _never_ seen used before... Both a Google and Yahoo
> search
> for the domain and common variations turns up no useful information about
> them.
>
http://aioe.org/index.php?antispam-report
Nathan.
--
http://clax.inspiretomorrow.net/
Anonymous
> domains.
> >
>
> How would I go about marking Usenet posts as spam? What steps exactly?
> There's no method available for *me* personally to do that, AFAIK. That
> was the point of the question...
I understood the question and I answered it. You can setup your own news
server to get news from other news servers. Many people do this because of
the filtering capability. You're a smart guy and I bet you can figure out
how to install and customize a news server. If you do that you will have the
capability depending on which news server you use of using blacklists and
almost every news server supports scoring with regular expressions. AIOE
even has a few customization tips for common small news servers on their
site.
If you don't want to setup your own news server you can use a client with
good scoring capabilities and eliminate a huge amount of spam if you
killfile googlegroups and a few of the pr0n servers and set a few rules
for viagra Swiss watches etc.
> > > The Usenet server where I read has very little spam.
> > > Maybe, their feed is filtered.
> >
> > It's definitely filtered. Check their site.
> >
>
> What site? Port 80 is not active. It has 119 and 22. It also has two
> other ports I've _never_ seen used before...
You're not trying to access their web page from nntp.* are you? They have a
different tld for their website. I thought you used aioe. I'll check your
headers again. Anyway they do have a site at news.aioe.org and they have
plenty of information on their services. The other ports are used for SSL
connections. Everybody should be using SSL whenever supported.
Kulin Remailer
you use somebody else news server they can log all the posts you read. If
you download whole newsgroups every half hour, twice a day etc all they can
tell is you're interested in that newsgroup not which specific posts you
read. Maybe you downloads tons of useless groups to mask what you're after.
Rick C. Hodgin
> How would I go about marking Usenet posts as spam?
Google Groups allows it.
> What steps exactly?
Click on "Report Abuse" and choose the "Spam" option.
> There's no method available for *me* personally to do that, AFAIK.
> That was the point of the question...
Perhaps you should switch to GG. :-)
- Rick C. Hodgin
Rod Pemberton
news:68d5c5de-8ee9-4ebb...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com...
Google Groups is not Usenet. :-)
They do archive Usenet groups and allow their users to post to it...
However, I suspect marking "Spam" as spam via GG won't remove it from Usenet
servers. GG may remove it from their archive though.
Rod Pemberton
Rod Pemberton
"Nathan Baker" <nathan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:in1ban$g7o$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> "Rod Pemberton" <do_no...@noavailemail.cmm> wrote in message
> news:in16t8$5qh$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> > "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
> > news:c130c49b9076c1d0...@dizum.com...
> >> > Uh, how does one mark the spam as spam on Usenet, exactly? ...
> >>
> >> Same way as usual...scoring headers and body and blacklisting spam
> > domains.
> >>
> >
> > How would I go about marking Usenet posts as spam? What steps exactly?
> > There's no method available for *me* personally to do that, AFAIK. That
> > was
> > the point of the question...
> >
>
> The OP is probably refering to a feature of Google Groups where they have
a
> link beside each post to "report" that post as spam.
>
That's why I said "Usenet". ;-)
> >> > The Usenet server where I read has very little spam.
> >> > Maybe, their feed is filtered.
> >>
> >> It's definitely filtered. Check their site.
> >>
> >
> > What site? Port 80 is not active. It has 119 and 22. It also has two
> > other ports I've _never_ seen used before... Both a Google and Yahoo
> > search
> > for the domain and common variations turns up no useful information
about
> > them.
> >
>
> http://aioe.org/index.php?antispam-report
>
AIOE is not where I read... ;-)
RP
Rod Pemberton
news:76611fd5d2d7e0f1...@remailer.paranoici.org...
> > > Same way as usual...scoring headers and body and blacklisting spam
> > domains.
> > >
> >
> > How would I go about marking Usenet posts as spam? What steps exactly?
> > There's no method available for *me* personally to do that, AFAIK. That
> > was the point of the question...
>
> I understood the question and I answered it. You can setup your own news
> server to get news from other news servers. Many people do this because of
> the filtering capability. You're a smart guy and I bet you can figure out
> how to install and customize a news server. If you do that you will have
the
> capability depending on which news server you use of using blacklists and
> almost every news server supports scoring with regular expressions.
>
Ah...
That's not normally accessible to everyday users of Usenet The point of
scoring/marking or filtering using a private server has no effect on
filtering spam for the rest of Usenet. I.e., I cannot mark spam as spam on
your private filter so you don't have to read it, and you cannot mark and
remove spam from the Usenet server I read from or any other.
> AIOE
> even has a few customization tips for common small news servers
> on their site.
>
Who said I use AIOE to read?
> If you don't want to setup your own news server you can use a client with
> good scoring capabilities and eliminate a huge amount of spam if you
> killfile googlegroups and a few of the pr0n servers and set a few rules
> for viagra Swiss watches etc.
>
Again, that's a client-side filter. It doesn't filter spam for Usenet as a
whole. I thought that was the point of BM's two-line rant.
> > > > The Usenet server where I read has very little spam.
> > > > Maybe, their feed is filtered.
> > >
> > > It's definitely filtered. Check their site.
> > >
> >
> > What site? Port 80 is not active. It has 119 and 22. It also has two
> > other ports I've _never_ seen used before...
>
> You're not trying to access their web page from nntp.* are you? They
> have a different tld for their website. I thought you used aioe.
I don't read through AIOE, if I don't have to. Other open servers are
faster and more complete. AIOE servers had some problems a few years ago
too. In the past, I've seen my post go to three other servers and Google
Groups before they show up on AIOE's groups even though it was sent through
them... Hopefully, that's fixed now.
Rod Pemberton
James Carlock
"Rod Pemberton" wrote
: > How would I go about marking Usenet posts as spam?
: > What steps exactly?
: > There's no method available for *me* personally to
: > do that, AFAIK. That was the point of the question...
: AIOE is not where I read... ;-)
:
With Outlook Express it is very easy to filter ALL the
Newsgroup Messages. Follow the directions below to get
you started.
1) RESTRICTIONS
To make this easier, create a new Identity in OE.
You shall use the new identity to ONLY read the news.
Do not mix EMAIL accounts with it. I do NOT really
think this is REQUIRED, it just makes things a little
easier to understand because what happens, when you
click on the SYNCHRONIZE button/link, OE starts to
download ALL the messages. As it downloads them it does
one of two things. It either downloads ALL until ALL
are on your HDD before it starts to process the News...
rules. Or it downloads each message one at a time then
runs through the list of NEWS RULES and processes them
for each message (I think it actually works in this
latter fashion, so try to keep the NUMBER of rules to
a reasonable amount, as more RULES gets more and more
unmanageable).
Outlook Express reads all the RULES you create in a
top-down order. The rules at the TOP of the list get
processed first. OE starts with the TOP rule first, OE
processes that rule first, then goes down to the next
rule, then the next and so on. REMEMBER THIS... Keep
the number of RULES limited. This is ANOTHER reason to
keep a separate IDENTITY for reading NEWS messages.
All of the RULES get stored in the REGISTRY under the
following key (regedt32.exe):
HKCU\Identities
HKCU\Identities\{HPID}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express\5.0
If any of this information is incorrect, just search
for "Outlook Express" in the registry. Also, {HPID}
means Hexadecimal Profile ID. A few of those exist in
the "HKCU\Identities\" folder.
HKCU = HKEY_CURRENT_USER
I created this on the fly, so please forgive me of any
faults.
2) Click on Tools.
3) Click on Message Rules.
4) Click on News...
5) The FIRST RULE to make involves making a rule where
the message comes from a particular group of people.
You want to move it to a "SAFE" folder.
6) The LAST RULE to make, create a rule where ALL of the
messages go to an "UNSAFE" folder.
Remember, OE processes the WHOLE LIST OF RULES for each
message as each message arrives. IT sticks the message
into the comp.lang.asm.x86.dbx file, then starts the
processing of EACH rule, in a TOP-DOWN order. You can
NOT create folders inside the comp.lang.asm.x86.dbx
(folder/file, it appears as a FOLDER inside OE, but is
a file on your DD).
If something gets moved to a folder (each folder gets
stored as a .dbx file), the processing of further RULES
stops.
This should help. It's been awhile since I talked OE
specific things to anyone. Good luck and I hope this
helps.
--
Jim Carlock
http://www.facebook.com/jim.carlock
James Carlock
messages. :) So you use the two rules below as you see
fit.
Mark It For Download
Stop Processing More Rules
I set up a lot more RULES for email messages than I
ever did for Newsgroups. I never found a reason to
set up the rules for Newsgroups. I have thought about
setting up my own NEWS READER application, but never
got around to it. Other software already exists.
Thanks for the messages Rod. I have been slowly going
back into things in the computer world.
:-)
--
Jim Carlock
http://www.facebook.com/jim.carlock
jcarlock1 * cold/mail # com
Use an antonym on the word before the /.
Figure out the rest as your h@ppy dot.
Rick C. Hodgin
> Google Groups is not Usenet. :-)
>
> They do archive Usenet groups and allow their users to post to it...
> However, I suspect marking "Spam" as spam via GG won't remove it from Usenet
> servers. GG may remove it from their archive though.
Definitely won't affect Usenet. But the user's experience on GG is spam-free once the occasional entry is reported! :-)
- Rick
Fritz Wuehler
> a link beside each post to "report" that post as spam.
Not even close. Google groups is almost all spam. I wouldn't touch it
with a 100 meter pole.
Rod Pemberton
news:in4t2f$ooi$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> "Rod Pemberton" wrote
> : > How would I go about marking Usenet posts as spam?
> : > What steps exactly?
> : > There's no method available for *me* personally to
> : > do that, AFAIK. That was the point of the question...
> :
> : AIOE is not where I read... ;-)
> :
>
>
> This should help. It's been awhile since I talked OE
> specific things to anyone. Good luck and I hope this
> helps.
>
Uh... Ok...
Thanks for the response, but I don't want or need to filter.
BM's rant was why hasn't anyone marked the spam as spam. I was trying to
point out that AFAIK there is no method that individuals can use to mark
Usenet posts as spam and have them deleted from Usenet. Terence, the OP,
originally (about a year ago) suggested making a moderated group like
a.l.a., on Google Groups, because the spam here was real bad wherever he was
reading.
RP
Anonymous
> "James Carlock" <jcar...@somemail.com> wrote in message
> news:in4t2f$ooi$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> >
> > "Rod Pemberton" wrote
> > : > How would I go about marking Usenet posts as spam?
> > : > What steps exactly?
> > : > There's no method available for *me* personally to
> > : > do that, AFAIK. That was the point of the question...
> > :
> > : AIOE is not where I read... ;-)
> > :
> >
> > [how to w/OE]
> >
> > This should help. It's been awhile since I talked OE
> > specific things to anyone. Good luck and I hope this
> > helps.
> >
>
> Uh... Ok...
>
> Thanks for the response, but I don't want or need to filter.
>
> BM's rant was why hasn't anyone marked the spam as spam. I was trying to
> point out that AFAIK there is no method that individuals can use to mark
> Usenet posts as spam and have them deleted from Usenet.
If that was really the question it's an idiotic question. Usenet is public
and nobody is responsible for it. What would you get out of individuals
marking posts? You could find posts by people or opinions you don't like and
accuse them of spamming. Who's supposed to be responsible for deciding?
Who's going to pay for all the usenet nannies and who's going to make sure
they don't abuse the authority? If that was really his complaint then he
wants all usenet moderated and that is exactly opposite of what usenet is
all about. There isn't any way to moderate usenet, if anybody understands
how usenet works they would realize that. Usenet is totally distributed and
there's no central place anything goes. Executive summary: if you want a
good usenet experience install your own usenet server, learn to filter, and
use a good client with filtering as well. Maybe google groups is for you
after all.
Fritz Wuehler
> scoring/marking or filtering using a private server has no effect on
> filtering spam for the rest of Usenet. I.e., I cannot mark spam as spam
> on your private filter so you don't have to read it, and you cannot mark
> and remove spam from the Usenet server I read from or any other.
I don't want anybody marking anything as spam. I'll mark what I mark and
you can mark what you mark. The big news servers are already doing alot of
filtering. The answer to your question is if you want somebody else
filtering use a filtered server. If you want to do your own then configure
your own news server and / or use a better client that lets you score on
anything including the message body.
> Who said I use AIOE to read?
You may still find their info helpful.
> > If you don't want to setup your own news server you can use a client
> > with good scoring capabilities and eliminate a huge amount of spam if
> > you killfile googlegroups and a few of the pr0n servers and set a few
> > rules for viagra Swiss watches etc.
> >
>
> Again, that's a client-side filter. It doesn't filter spam for Usenet as
> > a whole. I thought that was the point of BM's two-line rant.
I really don't care about random rants by people who expect other people to
do their work. What you want to see or don't want to see is a personal thing
and everyone who uses email or usenet needs to get a clue and learn to use
the available tools the right way instead of blaming other people for their
problems. Yes spam is annoying and yes I learned how to use my news server
and clients and email clients so I don't see what I don't want to see.
If you killfile google groups you will eliminate 99% of spam. The rest of
the crap I don't want to see I was able to eliminate by looking at headers
and seeing which sewers are spewing pr0n and virus binaries and by
eliminating a few of the major offenders I reduced my traffic and storage
alot and don't have to filter on my clients. For the dedicated usenet
assholes who show up in each group I killfile them individually. My system
works great for me with very little spam pr0n trolling etc on my system. I
could never expect that level of filtering or spam marking from any server
so the smart thing is to setup your system and personalize it how you
want. Relying on someone else to do that won't work.
> I don't read through AIOE, if I don't have to. Other open servers are
> faster and more complete. AIOE servers had some problems a few years ago
> too. In the past, I've seen my post go to three other servers and Google
> Groups before they show up on AIOE's groups even though it was sent
> through them... Hopefully, that's fixed now.
There's no way to know. All the free servers have a difficult time peering
because they don't pay. You can find free servers that have almost any group
but you can't find it all on one server. That's another reason why
installing your own server is good because you don't have to keep pointing
your client at dozens of servers to look for posts. Your server can get news
from any number of other servers and put it all together so your client has
one place to look for news.