Michael Jackson
Edmond Wollmann
news:<bpjmos$g17$1...@reader10.wxs.nl>...
> "Victoria" <rave...@aol.comnospam> schreef in bericht
> news:20031120170907...@mb-m11.aol.com...
> > Just checked his chart
> > 8-29-58
> > 12:00 pm
> > Gary Indiana
> > Looks like ol Pluto is conjunct Saturn, upcoming Uranus oppose Sun
and
> > I think I recall Neptune squaring ascendant. Ideas?
> > Victoria
> > from beautiful El Granada
> Hi Victoria,
> My data base gives a birth time of 06.54 CST.
Daylight time was in effect, is this then really 7:54 CDT?
> Virgo Asc; Gemini MC. Mercury in 11th.
> Tr. Uranus will oppose the Sun-Pluto in 12th (Placidus) which itself
opposes
> the Pisces Moon. He literally lives as a Peter Pan in a fairy-tale
world,
> which is his way of surviving life. He'll be as a lamb going to the
> slaughter as every stone is turned to get a conviction. The 12th
house
> secret enemies are probably not only those in power but also the
Sun-Pluto
> people seeking a fat pay off for their silence.
Wouldn't it be wiser to delineate the chart psychologically first so
we know from whence his perspective comes? His Moon (ruling 11 of love
received) in Picses (natural 12th house ruler, compassion and
understanding) is in a full moon configuration with the Sun in the
12th (psychological limitation and self-undoing) from the 6th (a need
to be analytically correct with regard to "music" for one thing). So
to begin, we have a perspective illumination (6/12, and also in the
6/12 signs) that implies a very strong belief that he will be
misunderstood and feels he must resolve this conflict. Saturn is in 3
(conjunct 4-emotional security and psychological foundation)
indicating a tremendously "competitive" early environment, and demand
on communication focus (3rd). This full moon birth requires the
resolution of the self VS the "collective" perspective--a problematic
perspective that cannot resolve how the recognition he receives is not
"really" love but admiration and celebrity. This person cannot
reconcile his need for love and understanding with the plasticity of
his recognition for his flamboyance in performance (Uranus and Venus
in Leo). This is his achilles heel.
Michael is a very troubled person, who's childhood, although
materially sucessful, was painful emotionally and more concerned with
the "success" of his self-epression (Saturn rules 5) instead of it
being a reflection of himself. His intellect and ideas were not valued
(Sagittarius). The moon position then, reflects his overanalysis of
his needs for sensitive matters of the heart, and he overcompensates
by being the "gentle soul". The moon opposed Pluto indicates a
tremendous manipulating mother, and that his emotional needs were used
to create his performance, hence, he feels powerless in being able to
fulfill his reigning needs of compassion and understanding because
this was denied him as a child;
"Where the Moon is we need to absorb, create a coping mechanism and
nurture the archetype. Deprive means to "remove or withhold something
from the enjoyment or possession of". The condition of the moon in the
horoscope, reflects the belief structure of how we feel deprived, the
archetype which we believe our mother failed to nurture us with. This
corresponds in psychological practice to The response deprivation
theory of reinforcement proposed by William Timberlake and James
Allison (1974: Timberlake 1980), e. g., that behavior becomes
reinforcing when the organism is prevented from engaging in it." EHW,
The Moon and Deprivation
In his case, compassionate psychological understanding of the "real
Michael" is what he believes he was deprived of in his early
environment, hence, he NEEDS to try to provide this to children,
because we teach best what we are learning.
> Tr. Neptune in 5th opposes Uranus in Leo 11th.
> Neptune is modern ruler of Descendant of open enemies. His enemies
are out
> to personally crucify him because they do not understand the nature
of his
> whacky ways. Isn't VE-UR in the 11th indicative of purely platonic
> relationships based upon friendship rather than intimacy?
No, it is indicative (the Venus/Uranus I mean) of a need to "wake up"
aspects of relationship, and how we present our identity and fulfill
it within relationship. It reflects a need to be accepted for one's
individuality, this (Leo) is disposed of by the Sun I mentioned above
in 12 and hence a part of his "relationship blindness" and was
ditrectly connected to his relationship with his parents and family
(Sun and Moon=the parents).
Neptune opposing it means that his illusions mentioned above (about
giving and receiving love) will be challenged and bring forth his
unconscious beliefs that they must be "sacrificed" in the "real"
world.
> Tr. Pluto is conjunct Saturn in the 3rd.
Saturn tests our ability to consciously perceive, the effect of our
unconscious beliefs and fears, and what they bring forth in the
physical world. Pluto rules the 3rd, and so, his "ideals" about
communicating with others, are now being challenged by actual actions
he has taken.
> Saturn is part of a grand trine with Venus in 11th (and at a pinch
Mercury)
> and, just by coincidence, BML on 21* Aries in the 8th. I have found
that
> BML in Aries in a male chart often indicates a deep inner feeling of
lack of
> manhood. In Aries in the 8th house, it doesn't take much imagination
to see
> where any problems regarding one's manhood may lie. BML trine Saturn
appears
> to indicate living within one's conscience ( see Pat Alfano's thread
about
> her hubby's SU-NE-ME conjunction. He also has BML trine Saturn.) as
things
> 'ought to be done'.
His "feminine" attitude is the result of the seeking to fulfill the
moon's needs. I am not familiar with what ever you are calling the
BML? What are you referring to? Pluto disposes of his Neptune, which
brings in the mother's manipulation again.
> I also think that the strong Virgo emphasis is indicative of his
obsession
> towards hygiene and cleanliness. Would such a person have pedofile
> tendancies?
The hygiene thing is his Moon in 6 (the natural house of Virgo), but
the full moon is working overtime to resolve his perspective crisis,
hence, the "apparent" obssession.
> I find it coincidental that, as Lilith has moved into Gemini, the
dirty
> minds are at work. In the 9th house of legal suits and soon to square
the
> Sun-Pluto in 12th, he is not going to be spared. Those minds will
crawl
> under any rock to find anything that vaguely resembles a hidden room.
I
> believe it will be found, yet again, that things are not what they
appear to
> be on the surface. Jackson is a very complex individual but it
doesn't make
> him a pervert. I think his Jupiter lawyer will clear his name when
BML
> crosses the MC and trines Jupiter, and tr.Jupiter trines the 9th
house Mars,
> ruler of the 8th house, before it crosses the Asc. When Jupiter
cojoins
> itself in the 2nd house, that is when it'll probably cost him an arm
and a
> leg in legal fees :-). The stigma of the black reputation in the
world won't
> be so easy to wash off.
> I feel sorry for him.
Thank you for your post and view.
However, he has to be connected to the reality he experiences in some
way, this is a given, and all events can be a learning and growing
experience, it all depends on how one appraoches them, and with what
energy.
Negative beliefs do not have any more power than positive. Ridicule is
negative and tells us of the perpetrator, not the ridiculed. These
ideas are choices, so they are not necessarily "unfortunate", for
every being creates their reality utterly as the product of what they
believe or have been taught to believe is true. The truth is composed
of all truths within any given system of reference containing its own
reinforcing logic.
Individuals can choose act in positive ways or in negative ways.
A) Positive is simply integrative, unifying, expansive,
inclusive-INTEGRAL.
B) Negative is separative, segregative, limited, conflicted functions
in PARTS.
But the positive individual, by the light by which they shine, will
simply show the negative individual(s) that they are;
A) Untouchable and unthwarted by anything that is not of a similar
vibration. And that;
B) They offer back to the negative individual(s) an offering of a
choice, a choice to also be positive. If the other(s) do not choose to
be positive then they can simply go their own way, for that which is
negative cannot exist within the blinding light of that which is
positive, it is simple mechanics-PHYSICS. Even if they are sitting
next to you. That is all. Even if the negativity is intentional, the
positive person will still extract a positive effect and RESOLVE
developmental tension to harness positive benefit.
Action is the manifested evidence of conviction and belief, because
life happens through you not to you.
> Also note that prog. Moon is into Scorpio in his 2nd house. What more
proof
> is necessary that it's about money again.
In this day and age, not much is not about money, including the whole
"poor VS rich" terrorism theme.
"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the
silence of our friends."
- Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
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Dan Baldwin
>
> Wouldn't it be wiser to
really is?
<shakes his magic 8-Ball>
"ALL INDICATIONS POINT TO 'YES'".
--
Dan Baldwin
unethical *by design*
Hail the un-alive
Dan Baldwin
EHWollmann wrote:
>
> >From: Dan Baldwin Dan_B...@invalid.com
>
> >Organization: Posted via Supernews,
>
> >Message-ID: <3FBE8AB5...@invalid.com>
>
> >X-Complaints-To: ab...@supernews.com
>
> >just ignore Edmo as the fraudulent, powerless, plagiarizing fuckhole he
> >really is?
>
> ><shakes his magic 8-Ball>
>
> >"ALL INDICATIONS POINT TO 'YES'".
>
> Something you seem to be psychologically unable, and too weak to do.
> Do you always act this hypocritical?
I thought you just told Wally that you don't read "spinic" posts,
Screedmo? Do you always act this hypocritical?
Cujo
news:736bf6f8.03112...@posting.google.com:
> "Christine" <a.h...@planet.nl> wrote in message
> news:<bpjmos$g17$1...@reader10.wxs.nl>...
>> "Victoria" <rave...@aol.comnospam> schreef in bericht
>> news:20031120170907...@mb-m11.aol.com...
>> > Just checked his chart
>
>> > 8-29-58
>> > 12:00 pm
>> > Gary Indiana
>
>> > Looks like ol Pluto is conjunct Saturn, upcoming Uranus oppose Sun
> and
>> > I think I recall Neptune squaring ascendant. Ideas?
>
>> > Victoria
>> > from beautiful El Granada
>
>> Hi Victoria,
>> My data base gives a birth time of 06.54 CST.
>
> Daylight time was in effect, is this then really 7:54 CDT?
If you weren't sure then why all the screed?
Fucking idiot.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Official TruKook(tm) as certified by Ed Wollmann. Meow.
"It is truly KOOKY to be so obsessed with someone's success and your
inability to defeat them, that you parade around as them." Edmo,
explaining his use of all his sockpuppets.
Dean Humphries
> "Christine" <a.h...@planet.nl> wrote in message
> news:<bpjmos$g17$1...@reader10.wxs.nl>...
>
>>"Victoria" <rave...@aol.comnospam> schreef in bericht
>>news:20031120170907...@mb-m11.aol.com...
>>
>>>Just checked his chart
>
>
>>>8-29-58
>>>12:00 pm
>>>Gary Indiana
>
>
>>>Looks like ol Pluto is conjunct Saturn, upcoming Uranus oppose Sun
>
> and
>
>>>I think I recall Neptune squaring ascendant. Ideas?
>
>
>>>Victoria
>>>from beautiful El Granada
>
>
>
>>Hi Victoria,
>>My data base gives a birth time of 06.54 CST.
>
>
> Daylight time was in effect, is this then really 7:54 CDT?
>
DOES IT REALLY FUCKING MATTER, NITWIT? ALL YOU'RE DOING IS POST-DICTING
ANYWAY!
Edmond Wollmann
> [leaving the poor people in alt.psychology alone]
Why are they poor people and any group you don't prefer, gets spammed
by you for 7 years?
Reinserted to demonstrate the psychological dysfunction of spinicism.
> EHWollmann wrote:
> > >From: Dan Baldwin Dan_B...@invalid.com
> > >Organization: Posted via Supernews,
> > >Message-ID: <3FBE8AB5...@invalid.com>
> > >X-Complaints-To: ab...@supernews.com
> > >just ignore Edmo as the fraudulent, powerless, plagiarizing fuckhole he
> > >really is?
> > ><shakes his magic 8-Ball>
> > >"ALL INDICATIONS POINT TO 'YES'".
> > Something you seem to be psychologically unable, and too weak to do.
> > Do you always act this hypocritical?
> I thought you just told Wally that you don't read "spinic" posts,
> Screedmo? Do you always act this hypocritical?
I said this:
"Of course not, I don't read spinics harassing posts, I have a lot to
do--why would I look at anything you refer to?
I only read one of your posts about every year."
Of course, you just admitted to being a spinic and that Wally is one
too, so nothing you say can be considered without psychological
dysfunctions of ridicule and defensiveness, and hence, not credible.
Skeptic=One who doubts the truth of any principle or system of
principles or doctrines. Questioning in the search for truth.
Cynic=a sneering faultfinder; one who disbelieves in the goodness of
human motives, and who is given to displaying his disbelief by sneers
and sarcasm.
Spinic=A disingenuous fault-finding and spin-doctoring bigot, who does
not investigate anything realistically before attempting to denigrate
it. A person who has 0 insight into their own beliefs, psychology and
defective logical thinking processes that EVOKES, and is responsible
for, 99% of their predjudice and obsession with that which they fear a
possibility.
"Knowledge is proud that he has learned so much;
Wisdom is humble that he knows no more"
William Cowper "The Task bk vi", "The Winter Walk at Noon"
Woodenheaded thinking="assessing a situation in terms of preconceived
fixed notions while ignoring or rejecting any contrary signs"
(Tuchman, 1984, p. 7).
Cujo
news:1g4ti6a.lgno0k1k9xcvwN%d0...@petitm0rte.net:
> Phoenix <eat....@be.merry> wrote:
>
>> In article <3FBE9016...@invalid.com>, Dan Baldwin
>> Well, one thing Eddy and Michael have in common: both have been
>> arrested by the cops.
>
> And both appear to suffer from extreme cases of arrested development.
Both are a fucking freak show.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Official TruKook(tm) as certified by Ed Wollmann. Meow.
"I can see why you have difficulty understanding why I am a babe
magnet" - Edmo understates the facts.
Cujo
AUK added.
> Dan Baldwin <Dan_B...@ALTOPIA.NET the spamming abusive ISP> wrote
> in message news:<3FBE9016...@invalid.com>...
>
>> [leaving the poor people in alt.psychology alone]
>
> Why are they poor people and any group you don't prefer, gets spammed
> by you for 7 years?
>
> Reinserted to demonstrate the psychological dysfunction of spinicism.
Is this another of your theories like "Orion is a star" or that
"dinosaurs evolved from birds", Eddieeeeee?
>> EHWollmann wrote:
>
>> > >From: Dan Baldwin Dan_B...@invalid.com
>
>> > >Organization: Posted via Supernews,
>
>> > >Message-ID: <3FBE8AB5...@invalid.com>
>
>> > >X-Complaints-To: ab...@supernews.com
>
>> > >just ignore Edmo as the fraudulent, powerless, plagiarizing
>> > >fuckhole he really is?
>
>> > ><shakes his magic 8-Ball>
>
>> > >"ALL INDICATIONS POINT TO 'YES'".
>
>> > Something you seem to be psychologically unable, and too weak to
>> > do. Do you always act this hypocritical?
>
>> I thought you just told Wally that you don't read "spinic" posts,
>> Screedmo? Do you always act this hypocritical?
>
> I said this:
> "Of course not, I don't read spinics harassing posts, I have a lot to
> do--why would I look at anything you refer to?
> I only read one of your posts about every year."
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2318357324d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF
> -8&selm=736bf6f8.0311211351.27a779dd%40posting.google.com
Yeah, but you've replied to his posts more often than once a year, liar.
> Of course, you just admitted to being a spinic and that Wally is one
> too, so nothing you say can be considered without psychological
> dysfunctions of ridicule and defensiveness, and hence, not credible.
Weak argument, Edmo. Spinic isn't a word except in your kooky reality. I
supposed you missed the quotes in the word "spinic". Most people with a
little sense of the context would interpret that as you're having your
chanin yanked, dumbfuck. You're so desperate to make any point at all
that it appears to have escaped your lone neuron.
[screedfest snipped]
Wollmann's law invoked, you lose again.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Official TruKook(tm) as certified by Ed Wollmann. Meow.
"You will lose your ass when I sue you fraud. I have never plagiarized
anything." - Edmo, caught red-handed again, adds to the Lawsuit List.
Wally Anglesea™
--
Lt. General, Fanatic Legions.
Commander of Southern Hemisphere Forces.
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Dan Baldwin
>
> Dan Baldwin <Dan_B...@ALTOPIA.NET the spamming abusive ISP> wrote in message news:<3FBE9016...@invalid.com>...
BWAHAHAHAHA!!
For the record : I have *never* at *any* time in history had an Altopia
account or e-mail address, you festering anal polyp. Care to give it
another go? Sure, you'll most likely fail grandiosely once more, but I'm
sure that here, in the waning twilight of your misbegotten life, you
should be well used to the warm sting of failure making its way up your
bent spine.
> > [leaving the poor people in alt.psychology alone]
>
> Why are they poor people and any group you don't prefer, gets spammed
> by you for 7 years?+
They're poor people because they have to put up with blowhards like you
dragging your shriveled, mottled dicks through the salad bar in what I'm
sure is an otherwise productive group from time to time. And you might
want to get your facts straight (you might enjoy the change of pace) -
my post above was my first ever to alt.psychology with this or any other
account. Care to retract that 7 years+ line, fuckwit?
You're 0 for 2, Edmo. How does it serve you to be so consistently wrong?
> Reinserted to demonstrate the psychological dysfunction of spinicism.
Removed again out of consideration for people who might be having useful
conversations and don't need to be distracted by a complete failure
spluttering his impotent rage into their group.
> > EHWollmann wrote:
>
> > > >From: Dan Baldwin Dan_B...@invalid.com
>
> > > >Organization: Posted via Supernews,
>
> > > >Message-ID: <3FBE8AB5...@invalid.com>
>
> > > >X-Complaints-To: ab...@supernews.com
>
> > > >just ignore Edmo as the fraudulent, powerless, plagiarizing fuckhole he
> > > >really is?
>
> > > ><shakes his magic 8-Ball>
>
> > > >"ALL INDICATIONS POINT TO 'YES'".
>
> > > Something you seem to be psychologically unable, and too weak to do.
> > > Do you always act this hypocritical?
>
> > I thought you just told Wally that you don't read "spinic" posts,
> > Screedmo? Do you always act this hypocritical?
>
> I said this:
> "Of course not, I don't read spinics harassing posts, I have a lot to
> do--why would I look at anything you refer to?
> I only read one of your posts about every year."
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2318357324d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=736bf6f8.0311211351.27a779dd%40posting.google.com
>
> Of course, you just admitted to being a spinic and that Wally is one
> too,
I see the idea of using quotes to indicate sarcasm is completely beyond
your comprehension. I thought you were supposed to be a "writer"?
> so nothing you say can be considered without psychological
> dysfunctions of ridicule and defensiveness, and hence, not credible.
And your credentials permitting you to make psychological observations
in the State of California may be found where?
> Skeptic=One who doubts the truth of any principle or system of
> principles or doctrines. Questioning in the search for truth.
>
> Cynic=a sneering faultfinder; one who disbelieves in the goodness of
> human motives, and who is given to displaying his disbelief by sneers
> and sarcasm.
>
> Spinic=a made up word tossed out by a frothing bullshit artist as a smoke screen to try and deflect attention away from his own gross inadequacies.
(I hace fix0red your definition. No charge this time)
I would have felt a bit more impressed by your reply had you tossed in
one or two of your trademark "COMPRENDE?"s, slick.
--
Dan Baldwin
unethical *by design*
"I have always thought that the reason Dinosaurs were so big is because
of the dramatic difference in gravitational strength between that time
period and now"
Edmo the paleontologist
Hail the un-alive
Dan Baldwin
>
> In article <736bf6f8.03112...@posting.google.com>, Edmond Wollmann <Azim...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Dan Baldwin <Dan_B...@ALTOPIA.NET the spamming abusive ISP> wrote in message news:<3FBE9016...@invalid.com>...
> >
> > > [leaving the poor people in alt.psychology alone]
> >
> > Why are they poor people and any group you don't prefer, gets spammed
> > by you for 7 years?
>
> have to endure you. Psychologists should get paid to do that.
>
> > Reinserted to demonstrate the psychological dysfunction of spinicism.
>
Some day alt.psychology will probably send a bill to a.a.
> > > EHWollmann wrote:
> >
> > > > >From: Dan Baldwin Dan_B...@invalid.com
> >
> > > > >Organization: Posted via Supernews,
> >
> > > > >Message-ID: <3FBE8AB5...@invalid.com>
> >
> > > > >X-Complaints-To: ab...@supernews.com
> >
> > > > >just ignore Edmo as the fraudulent, powerless, plagiarizing fuckhole he
> > > > >really is?
> >
> > > > ><shakes his magic 8-Ball>
> >
> > > > >"ALL INDICATIONS POINT TO 'YES'".
> >
> > > > Something you seem to be psychologically unable, and too weak to do.
> > > > Do you always act this hypocritical?
> >
> > > I thought you just told Wally that you don't read "spinic" posts,
> > > Screedmo? Do you always act this hypocritical?
> >
> > I said<PAF>
>
> Why won't you answer the question?
I think he's busy complaining to Altopia about me (see his editing of my
e-mail addy above). Which is cool since I've never had an Altopia
account in my life.
--
Dan Baldwin
unethical *by design*
"I have always thought that the reason Dinosaurs were so big is because
el...@no.spam
Dan Baldwin <Dan_B...@invalid.com> wrote:
>I think he's busy complaining to Altopia about me (see his
>editing of my e-mail addy above). Which is cool since I've never
>had an Altopia account in my life.
Just more evidence of Edmo's stupidity. Not that we really needed
any after than dinosaur crap.
Edmond Wollmann
> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> > Dan Baldwin <Dan_B...@Supernews.com the spamming abusive ISP> wrote in message news:<3FBE9016...@invalid.com>...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > EHWollmann wrote:
> > > > >From: Dan Baldwin Dan_B...@invalid.com
> > > > >Organization: Posted via Supernews,
> > > > >Message-ID: <3FBE8AB5...@invalid.com>
> > > > >X-Complaints-To: ab...@supernews.com
> > > > >just ignore Edmo as the fraudulent, powerless, plagiarizing fuckhole he
> > > > >really is?
> > > > ><shakes his magic 8-Ball>
> > > > >"ALL INDICATIONS POINT TO 'YES'".
> > > > Something you seem to be psychologically unable, and too weak to do.
> > > > Do you always act this hypocritical?
> > > I thought you just told Wally that you don't read "spinic" posts,
> > > Screedmo? Do you always act this hypocritical?
> > I said this:
> > "Of course not, I don't read spinics harassing posts, I have a lot to
> > do--why would I look at anything you refer to?
> > I only read one of your posts about every year."
> > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2318357324d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=736bf6f8.0311211351.27a779dd%40posting.google.com
> > Of course, you just admitted to being a spinic and that Wally is one
> > too,
> I see the idea of using quotes to indicate sarcasm is completely beyond
> your comprehension. I thought you were supposed to be a "writer"?
I am, I just don't write spinicism, nor Monty Python scripts. It would
be different if you spinics posted some good discussions and friendly
interaction COUPLED with sarcasm and attacks--but you all do NOTHING
BUT THE LATTER. Which is profoundly boring. I am interested in open
discussion with people in an unfettered and non-judgmental way without
profoud defensiveness and bickering all day everyday which is utterly
useless and boring--you and the other spinics here can't do that.
I answer a spinic post here and there because, basically, there's
nothing else here, me and the spinic obsessos. All the other "idea
challenged" go to moderated groups to protect themselves from anything
that might indicate their stupidity or blindness and
narrow-mindedness. You continue your infantile shit, and I don't care
or read it. In my world this makes you all the kooks.
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
- Galileo Galilei
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2003 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
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Dr. Flonkenstein
Wollmann posted:
Profundus Maximus eagerly holds forth on all subjects, but his thin
knowledge will not support a sustained assault and therefore his attacks
quickly peter out. Profundus Maximus often uses big words, obscure terms
and...ahem...even Latin to bluff his way through battle.
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame16.html
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mhm 27x12
smeeter #28
Usenet Valhalla Circle #19 & #21
CEO Alcatroll Labs Inc.
Dean Humphries
Ed, you spin faster, longer, and further than anyone else here.
> nor Monty Python scripts.
I beg to differ. Your entire life is one long extended "Black Knight"
sequence, and your recent Dinosaur/Gravity theory easily exceeds the
kookery of Miss Ann Elk.
>It would
> be different if you spinics posted some good discussions and friendly
> interaction COUPLED with sarcasm and attacks--but you all do NOTHING
> BUT THE LATTER.
That's because EVERYTHING you say is WRONG, dipshit. There's no point in
any friendly interaction with you, exspecially when you're too cowardly
to even have a nice lunch.
>Which is profoundly boring.
Yeah, so boring, here you are again, answering another "spinic's" post.
If it's so boring, and here you are, you really must have nothing
constructive to do. Sound familiar, hypocrite?
>I am interested in open
> discussion with people in an unfettered and non-judgmental way without
> profoud defensiveness and bickering all day everyday which is utterly
> useless and boring--
Bullshit. What you are interested in is people praising you for your
"genius", and no criticism whatsoever of your boneheaded theories, your
incomprehensible gibberish, and your unethical behavior and lies.
>you and the other spinics here can't do that.
> I answer a spinic post here and there because, basically,
You have a Narcisssistic Personality Disorder.
>there's
> nothing else here, me and the spinic obsessos.
So leave, like you said you were, already.
Go tend to your vast numbers of "clients".
>All the other "idea
> challenged" go to moderated groups
Like the kind you sought to create, but failed? TWICE?
>to protect themselves from anything
> that might indicate their stupidity or blindness and
> narrow-mindedness.
I guess the grapes were sour over there on the moderated tree, huh, freak?
HAHAHAHAHAHAAH! Even they won't put up with your egotistical rantings, fool!
> You continue your infantile shit, and I don't care
> or read it.
Which is obviously a LIE, since you KEEP responding to him!
>In my world this makes you all the kooks.
Your world is an impenetrable Reverso-Bizarro delusional construct.
Thank Bob you're the only one in it.
el...@no.spam
Phoenix <eat....@be.merry> wrote:
>>It would be different if you spinics posted some good
>>discussions and friendly interaction COUPLED with sarcasm
>>and attacks--but you all do NOTHING BUT THE LATTER. Which is
>>profoundly boring.
>So why do you pay so much attention to it?
He doesn't just pay attention to it; he's obsessed with it.
Dr. Flonkenstein
And we're not bored to see how he gets entangled in his pants another
time.
Cujo
> Dan Baldwin <Dan_B...@invalid.com> wrote in message
No, you write incoherent horseshit you stole and dressed up a little with
big words you don't understand.
> nor Monty Python scripts. It would
> be different if you spinics posted some good discussions and friendly
> interaction COUPLED with sarcasm and attacks--but you all do NOTHING
> BUT THE LATTER. Which is profoundly boring.
Wrong again! I really like it and it's great entertainment.
> I am interested in open
> discussion with people in an unfettered and non-judgmental way without
> profoud defensiveness and bickering all day everyday which is utterly
> useless and boring--you and the other spinics here can't do that.
Sure I can. I just got tired of asking about when you're going to serve
me with the lawsuit you promised, Ed. It's almost two fucking years since
I've seen a Xmas, Thanksgiving or a summer vacation. Please allow
February of 2002 to end.
> I answer a spinic post here and there because, basically, there's
> nothing else here, me and the spinic obsessos.
"Obsessos"? Looks like Deano and Ed did a little bonding. Maybe you
finally got the guts to stalk my old apartment?
> All the other "idea
> challenged" go to moderated groups to protect themselves from anything
> that might indicate their stupidity or blindness and
> narrow-mindedness. You continue your infantile shit, and I don't care
> or read it. In my world this makes you all the kooks.
BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!1!!!!
Liar! You read every word, crybaby!
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Official TruKook(tm) as certified by Ed Wollmann. Meow.
"The dump is a good place too." -Edmond Wollmann, keeping his options
open for a future place for storing his unsold books.
Wally Anglesea™
<sini...@concentric.net> wrote:
>X-No-Archive: Yes.
>On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:05:50 GMT, Wally Anglesea™
><wang...@spamersbigpondarevermin.net.au> wrote:
>
>The use of the plural "thoughts" is misleading.
Yeah, but the poast was deliberately left empty :-))
el...@no.spam
House Widdershins <sini...@concentric.net> wrote:
>The use of the plural "thoughts" is misleading.
And the singular wouldn't also be misleading?
Dan Baldwin
I noticed you've not only sniped my comments re: your claims that I post
from Altopia, but you've re-edited the line back to Supernews. You've
also hacked out your claim that I've been posting to alt.psychology for
"7 years+".
I'm sure you won't believe this, but were you to have simply said "I
made a mistake and mis-identified your NSP" or "I confused you with
another critic of mine" I would not have jumped on you for it (granted,
others probably would have). There's nothing wrong with admitting
mistakes.
Trying to pull a Ministry of Truth-style re-write of what has been
already said to *cover up* that mistake, however, simply reinforces
what a disingenuous, cowardly little shit you are.
> Dan Baldwin <Dan_B...@invalid.com> wrote in message news:<3FC00847...@invalid.com>...
> > Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
> > > Dan Baldwin <Dan_B...@Supernews.com the spamming abusive ISP> wrote in message news:<3FBE9016...@invalid.com>...
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > EHWollmann wrote:
>
> > > > > >From: Dan Baldwin Dan_B...@invalid.com
>
> > > > > >Organization: Posted via Supernews,
>
> > > > > >Message-ID: <3FBE8AB5...@invalid.com>
>
> > > > > >X-Complaints-To: ab...@supernews.com
>
> > > > > >just ignore Edmo as the fraudulent, powerless, plagiarizing fuckhole he
> > > > > >really is?
>
> > > > > ><shakes his magic 8-Ball>
>
> > > > > >"ALL INDICATIONS POINT TO 'YES'".
>
> > > > > Something you seem to be psychologically unable, and too weak to do.
> > > > > Do you always act this hypocritical?
>
> > > > I thought you just told Wally that you don't read "spinic" posts,
> > > > Screedmo? Do you always act this hypocritical?
>
> > > I said this:
> > > "Of course not, I don't read spinics harassing posts, I have a lot to
> > > do--why would I look at anything you refer to?
> > > I only read one of your posts about every year."
>
> > > <snip URL>
>
> > > Of course, you just admitted to being a spinic and that Wally is one
> > > too,
>
> > I see the idea of using quotes to indicate sarcasm is completely beyond
> > your comprehension. I thought you were supposed to be a "writer"?
>
> I am, I just don't write spinicism, nor Monty Python scripts.
Because those require actual skills beyond <CTRL+C>, <CTRL+V>.
> It would
> be different if you spinics posted some good discussions and friendly
> interaction COUPLED with sarcasm and attacks--but you all do NOTHING
> BUT THE LATTER. Which is profoundly boring.
Then why in the name of Freya's Icy Left Tit do you so obsessively read
and reply? If we are boring, if we are nothing but 'spinics', if all we
do is attack, then why are you so compelled to answer us?
> I am interested in open
> discussion with people in an unfettered and non-judgmental way without
> profoud defensiveness and bickering all day everyday which is utterly
> useless and boring
Your posting history shows otherwise to anyone taking even a cursory
glance. You want to be revered. You want to be seen as the Source Of All
Good Bits re: astrology, and you simply can not bear it when people
don't deify you. It needs no actual attack on you to bring out your
combative side. All a person need do is simply disagree, however
politely, and you begin to demonize them.
You don't discuss with people, Ed. You talk *at* them. You attempt to
lecture. Your obsessive need to be right at something, *anything*,
prevents you from holding discourse with anyone but the odd unknowing
sycophant who wanders in once every couple of years. Your own insecurity
prevents you from hearing contrary ideas, let alone considering an
opposing point of view.
And that is why your tormentors are here. You've long since shown that
you will not be capable of any actual dialogue with anyone who might
have been interested, so the morbidly curious come out of the woodwork
to poke you with sticks and see how you react.
> --you and the other spinics here can't do that.
> I answer a spinic post here and there because, basically, there's
> nothing else here, me and the spinic obsessos.
So if all that was on the menu at a restaurant was boiled dog and boiled
rat you'd have a plate of the boiled rat, rather than finding a place
with better fare? You allow yourself to be drawn in to these little
skirmishes not because you enjoy them, but because you can't get
anything better?
> All the other "idea challenged"
read: those who don't see you as the intellectual savior of Usenet.
> go to moderated groups to protect themselves from anything
> that might indicate their stupidity or blindness and
> narrow-mindedness.
Because as we all know *only* *Ed* understands anything, and if you hold
a different opinion you're stupid and blind. If you want to move to a
group free from this bickering then you're a coward. For your sake Ed I
hope you never allow serious self-examination to burn through this fog
of narcissistic myopia you've surrounded yourself with. What you would
see were you to cast a critical eye on yourself might be too hard to
bear.
> You continue your infantile shit, and I don't care
> or read it.
Just as you've not been reading my posts. Thank you for clarifying that.
> In my world this makes you all the kooks.
And it truly is a dark, lonely, blighted little world that you've made
for yourself, isn't it? The fact that you are the only one inhabiting it
must make the loneliness unbearable at times.
Again, for your sake, keep your self-delusions up. At this late hour in
your life you're well past the point of being able to salvage something
decent in yourself, so its best if you just live out your few remaining
years without realizing what a sad little man you've allowed yourself to
become.
el...@no.spam
Dan Baldwin <Dan_B...@invalid.com> wrote:
>I noticed you've not only sniped my comments re: your claims
>that I post from Altopia, but you've re-edited the line back
>to Supernews. You've also hacked out your claim that I've been
>posting to alt.psychology for "7 years+".
Eddy just isn't very honest. But since he's not very smart
either he gets caught a lot.
Dan Baldwin
Must suck to not only be incredibly deceitful, but to be too fucking
stupid to get away with it. I wonder why he's chosen that reality?
el...@no.spam
Dan Baldwin <Dan_B...@invalid.com> wrote:
>Must suck to not only be incredibly deceitful, but to be too fucking
>stupid to get away with it.
Indeed!
>I wonder why he's chosen that reality?
Because he's stupid!