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Brad Guth
Mar 24, 2012, 7:39:27 PM3/24/12
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What should the natural terrain and whatever 3D plan-view site of any
significant off-world logistics on behalf of depicting a large scale
mining operation look like from the air, or better yet from that
perspective of a spendy spy satellite using SAR (Synthetic Aperture
Radar) imaging, that’s peering downward at 43 degrees and compiling a
derivative composite image from 36 confirming scans per pixel, tend to
look like?
Shouldn’t there be any number of large scale structures, possibly
including a nearby airstrip or some sort of relatively flat surface
for shuttles or even for accommodating extremely large industrial
airships to utilize?
If there’s any nearby deeply eroded or lava-flow created ravine or
natural formed canyon, shouldn’t that sort of vertically offset
terrain be logical as to our detecting some kind of bridge?
For their local construction purposes, shouldn’t there logically be a
nearby geometric reformed area of a bedrock quarry site, or two or
three?
If having an atmospheric density worth 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy and only
90.5% gravity was the norm; what might a suitably commercial or
industrial class of large airship look like?
How and/or where upon such a toasty planet would that sort of large
airship be parked or safely stored until use? (in other words, what
sort of local infrastructure would be necessary for accommodating such
an industrial mining ore/cargo hauling airship?)
If the planet were geologically active and obviously science
quantified as venting new atmospheric elements like crazy; shouldn’t
there be a few natural and possibly artificial reservoirs of fluids?
If this were to be an actual ET or indigenous mining operation;
wouldn’t the assortment and arrangement of such infrastructure have to
further suggest a rational community like layout or city/town like
configuration?
If this were all situated within a highly mountainous terrain;
wouldn’t this community of large geometric structures and their
infrastructure need to look very much out of place from the random
geology happenstance of nature, or at the very least way out of
ordinary from anything mother or father nature could have
accomplished?
If the local terrain indicated as having been geologically active, and
if there were multiple signs of substantial ongoing heavy and/or dense
gas/vapor venting of any sort of hot and potential metallicity
content; as such shouldn’t a pattern of that vented outflow also be
detected by the same SAR imaging methods?
I’m certain if we start exploiting the full metallicity worth of our
moon, that when viewed from Earth, amateur astronomers will be capable
of imaging sufficient resolution to see our surface structures and
identify their rational community like infrastructure. Of course,
mining the naked moon would be a very difficult and risky
consideration (unless mostly accomplished via TBMs operating entirely
inside of the moon), than doing Venus that’s probably considerably
hotter inside than on the surface.
Perhaps yourself and others can add a little something else to this
list of what an actively thriving community of an intelligent mining
operation should look like from an advanced spy satellite perspective,
keeping in mind that the scale of such items has to be worth at least
75 meters/pixel or larger in order to count.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
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significant off-world logistics on behalf of depicting a large scale
mining operation look like from the air, or better yet from that
perspective of a spendy spy satellite using SAR (Synthetic Aperture
Radar) imaging, that’s peering downward at 43 degrees and compiling a
derivative composite image from 36 confirming scans per pixel, tend to
look like?
Shouldn’t there be any number of large scale structures, possibly
including a nearby airstrip or some sort of relatively flat surface
for shuttles or even for accommodating extremely large industrial
airships to utilize?
If there’s any nearby deeply eroded or lava-flow created ravine or
natural formed canyon, shouldn’t that sort of vertically offset
terrain be logical as to our detecting some kind of bridge?
For their local construction purposes, shouldn’t there logically be a
nearby geometric reformed area of a bedrock quarry site, or two or
three?
If having an atmospheric density worth 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy and only
90.5% gravity was the norm; what might a suitably commercial or
industrial class of large airship look like?
How and/or where upon such a toasty planet would that sort of large
airship be parked or safely stored until use? (in other words, what
sort of local infrastructure would be necessary for accommodating such
an industrial mining ore/cargo hauling airship?)
If the planet were geologically active and obviously science
quantified as venting new atmospheric elements like crazy; shouldn’t
there be a few natural and possibly artificial reservoirs of fluids?
If this were to be an actual ET or indigenous mining operation;
wouldn’t the assortment and arrangement of such infrastructure have to
further suggest a rational community like layout or city/town like
configuration?
If this were all situated within a highly mountainous terrain;
wouldn’t this community of large geometric structures and their
infrastructure need to look very much out of place from the random
geology happenstance of nature, or at the very least way out of
ordinary from anything mother or father nature could have
accomplished?
If the local terrain indicated as having been geologically active, and
if there were multiple signs of substantial ongoing heavy and/or dense
gas/vapor venting of any sort of hot and potential metallicity
content; as such shouldn’t a pattern of that vented outflow also be
detected by the same SAR imaging methods?
I’m certain if we start exploiting the full metallicity worth of our
moon, that when viewed from Earth, amateur astronomers will be capable
of imaging sufficient resolution to see our surface structures and
identify their rational community like infrastructure. Of course,
mining the naked moon would be a very difficult and risky
consideration (unless mostly accomplished via TBMs operating entirely
inside of the moon), than doing Venus that’s probably considerably
hotter inside than on the surface.
Perhaps yourself and others can add a little something else to this
list of what an actively thriving community of an intelligent mining
operation should look like from an advanced spy satellite perspective,
keeping in mind that the scale of such items has to be worth at least
75 meters/pixel or larger in order to count.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
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Brad Guth
Mar 24, 2012, 8:22:03 PM3/24/12
to
It seems to be getting popular enough for NPR and their McDonald
Observatory (aka StarDate Radio announcer, Sandy Wood) as to promoting
the latest mainstream astronomy/astrophysics word that galaxies,
stars, planets, moons and asteroid captures are becoming the
mainstream status norm of what the weak force of gravity does within
orbital dynamics (namely altering of proper motion) of anything that
gets within a sufficiently close tidal radius, and that no doubt some
of our very own solar system is made from such nomad/rogue items of
random metallicity that’s a little different than ours. Of course
I’ve been promoting on behalf of this interpretation of astrophysics
for quite some time, nearly as long as I can remember, that our moon
and the planet Venus are each anything but inert nor lacking
paramagnetic and diamagnetic properties that are each quite different
than terrestrial metallicity proportions.
Sandy Wood as having reported that our own galaxy is a composite of
more than a dozen galactic encounters or mergers of various age and
metallicity, and that some of this accumulation isn’t necessarily
tracking along with the original mainstream flow. In addition there’s
55~60 million year old fossil remainders as recently discovered new
species of enormous reptiles and monstrous snakes of Columbia, that
qualified biologists seem to interpret as having required an
equatorial environment of at least ten degrees hotter than any
otherwise known tropical areas, in order for their volumetric bulk to
have evolved, which might further suggest an extended period or
evolutionary era of time when Sirius(B) was sufficiently nearby and
most active before its helium flashover converted its enormous
residual mass into a white dwarf.
Metallicity can be found almost anywhere (not limited as to just those
shiny metals we can make into pots and pans or into powerful computers
for playing video games), except certain elements of great value and
demand are becoming nearly depleted here on Earth, unless some
affordable kind of really new and improved technology for extracting
them rare elements comes along. In most instances the environment has
to take a major hit in order to extract and process terrestrial
metals, and in other cases we get to go to war.
Going off-world could eliminate all such metallicity shortages, and
then some. The nearest resource of complex metallicity is our
physically dark moon, though also the extremely nearby planet Venus
can’t be all that metallicity deficient, and a few local asteroids
seem worth going after.
Perhaps those highly unusual patterns of hot rocks on Venus are just
being terribly creative, by way of their looking as though arranged
into a community like infrastructure setting of something perfectly
suited for that of a large scale mining operation. I mean to suggest
by way of some practical deductive analogy of using a little
investigative observationology, as to asking what planet other than
Earth offers such unusually arranged rocks and modified terrain, in
that when viewed from a spy satellite looks as though it’s
intelligently arranged in order to suit some geometrically functional
needs of applied physics, and that of sustaining its basic implied
intelligence.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
http://translate.google.com/#
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Observatory (aka StarDate Radio announcer, Sandy Wood) as to promoting
the latest mainstream astronomy/astrophysics word that galaxies,
stars, planets, moons and asteroid captures are becoming the
mainstream status norm of what the weak force of gravity does within
orbital dynamics (namely altering of proper motion) of anything that
gets within a sufficiently close tidal radius, and that no doubt some
of our very own solar system is made from such nomad/rogue items of
random metallicity that’s a little different than ours. Of course
I’ve been promoting on behalf of this interpretation of astrophysics
for quite some time, nearly as long as I can remember, that our moon
and the planet Venus are each anything but inert nor lacking
paramagnetic and diamagnetic properties that are each quite different
than terrestrial metallicity proportions.
Sandy Wood as having reported that our own galaxy is a composite of
more than a dozen galactic encounters or mergers of various age and
metallicity, and that some of this accumulation isn’t necessarily
tracking along with the original mainstream flow. In addition there’s
55~60 million year old fossil remainders as recently discovered new
species of enormous reptiles and monstrous snakes of Columbia, that
qualified biologists seem to interpret as having required an
equatorial environment of at least ten degrees hotter than any
otherwise known tropical areas, in order for their volumetric bulk to
have evolved, which might further suggest an extended period or
evolutionary era of time when Sirius(B) was sufficiently nearby and
most active before its helium flashover converted its enormous
residual mass into a white dwarf.
Metallicity can be found almost anywhere (not limited as to just those
shiny metals we can make into pots and pans or into powerful computers
for playing video games), except certain elements of great value and
demand are becoming nearly depleted here on Earth, unless some
affordable kind of really new and improved technology for extracting
them rare elements comes along. In most instances the environment has
to take a major hit in order to extract and process terrestrial
metals, and in other cases we get to go to war.
Going off-world could eliminate all such metallicity shortages, and
then some. The nearest resource of complex metallicity is our
physically dark moon, though also the extremely nearby planet Venus
can’t be all that metallicity deficient, and a few local asteroids
seem worth going after.
Perhaps those highly unusual patterns of hot rocks on Venus are just
being terribly creative, by way of their looking as though arranged
into a community like infrastructure setting of something perfectly
suited for that of a large scale mining operation. I mean to suggest
by way of some practical deductive analogy of using a little
investigative observationology, as to asking what planet other than
Earth offers such unusually arranged rocks and modified terrain, in
that when viewed from a spy satellite looks as though it’s
intelligently arranged in order to suit some geometrically functional
needs of applied physics, and that of sustaining its basic implied
intelligence.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
http://translate.google.com/#
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Brad Guth
Mar 25, 2012, 12:29:24 AM3/25/12
to
We can never have too many good or even weird ideas. Even bad ones
tend to eventually lead us down the better path of greater
understanding and discovery. The trick is not to keep making the same
old mistake(s) or otherwise to cover up whatever previous errors in
judgment. We all know that our mainstream status-quo is rather big on
covering their butts whenever errors or mistakes are made, and their
mainstream obfuscation is after all the policy that got us into this
no-win situation, so they must know what they are doing.
Why can’t milliballoons of basalt filled with H2, along with basalt
fibers and using a reasonably good high temperature binder or merely
that of metallic plasma applied coatings in thin layers create the
sorts of sandwich composite materials with terrific insulation quality
that’s needed for those rigid airships and most other structural
requirements of that Venus environment?
Considering the terrific atmospheric buoyancy and less gravity of
Venus, is exactly what makes such composite rigid airships the only
way to fly, and large surface area structures plus whatever rational
infrastructure can also be created by using as massive rock quarry
fabricated elements as we like.
HIGH TEMPERATURE INORGANIC BINDERS
http://www.aremco.com/PDFs/A11_06.pdf
Foam insulation: GLASS VS. CERAMIC MICROSPHERES
http://www.cumingcorp.com/pdf/OMAE2002.pdf
Metal Coating
http://www.anatechusa.com/Metal_Coating/default.html
Metallic Ceramic Coatings
http://www.amr-coatings.com/metallic_ceramic.html
With certain configurations of these milliballoons and tough fibers of
basalt, it’s entirely possible to obtain an insulation coefficient of .
0009765 or that of R-1024 per meter/m2/k, and perhaps a greater
density structural composite version of R-512 or thermal transfer
coefficient of .00195 per meter/m2/k that still doesn’t hardly weigh
anything on Venus, but represents a great deal of compressive and
tensile strength without our ever having to hardly import a damn thing
from home. Of course this means having the capability of actually on-
location producing these complex composites and structural products,
other than having to obtain such from here on Earth.
Only significant requirement for processing basalt into the likes of
such tough little H2 filled milliballoons and fibers of 4.84 GPa is
that of energy, and Venus makes that requirement rather easy and with
loads of energy to spare, not to mention the 0.9 gravity advantage and
whatever one can manage to do within 65 kg/m3 buoyancy. Getting our
technology safely (no matters how robust and hefty) onto the surface
of Venus shouldn’t impose 1% the problems of doing such with Mars.
To an intelligent species of ET (meaning us and most anyone else half
as smart as a 5th grader), the toasty as hell planet Venus that passes
within 110 fold the distance of our moon is a piece of cake, with lots
of nifty frosting on top and metallicity goodies inside. I’d swear
that SpongeBob SquarePants or most anyone from Sesame Street already
has enough basic smarts to accomplish Venus. So, exactly what’s wrong
with all the other brown-nosed JPL clowns plus those within our DARPA
and NASA cabals?
On Mar 8, 7:58 am, "G=EMC^2" <herbertglazi...@gmail.com> wrote:
: Reality is in the universe there are more type planets like
: Venus than Earth types. Lots of reality in this thinking /TreBerrt
That’s exactly correct, in that Earth like Edens (extremely dry, wet,
hot and cold) with millions of preexisting plus a few much newer
complex species, are likely going to be few and far between.
“We're ignorant of life in the universe. We only have one planet
that serves as an example and in science it's not good to derive
information from a sample size of one.” / David Grinspoon
At least I never suggested the pressure cooker environment of Venus
was ever naked Goldilocks suitable as is, but that doesn't mean that
intelligent other life (as primitive as us) couldn't manage to safely
deal with it. Obviously our resident redneck ZNRs and FUD-masters
can’t hardly deal with Earth without doing more damage than good, much
less constructively accomplishing anything off-world, so instead they
focus their bogus talents upon topic/author stalking and trashing our
topics and replies for all they can muster.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
http://translate.google.com/#
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tend to eventually lead us down the better path of greater
understanding and discovery. The trick is not to keep making the same
old mistake(s) or otherwise to cover up whatever previous errors in
judgment. We all know that our mainstream status-quo is rather big on
covering their butts whenever errors or mistakes are made, and their
mainstream obfuscation is after all the policy that got us into this
no-win situation, so they must know what they are doing.
Why can’t milliballoons of basalt filled with H2, along with basalt
fibers and using a reasonably good high temperature binder or merely
that of metallic plasma applied coatings in thin layers create the
sorts of sandwich composite materials with terrific insulation quality
that’s needed for those rigid airships and most other structural
requirements of that Venus environment?
Considering the terrific atmospheric buoyancy and less gravity of
Venus, is exactly what makes such composite rigid airships the only
way to fly, and large surface area structures plus whatever rational
infrastructure can also be created by using as massive rock quarry
fabricated elements as we like.
HIGH TEMPERATURE INORGANIC BINDERS
http://www.aremco.com/PDFs/A11_06.pdf
Foam insulation: GLASS VS. CERAMIC MICROSPHERES
http://www.cumingcorp.com/pdf/OMAE2002.pdf
Metal Coating
http://www.anatechusa.com/Metal_Coating/default.html
Metallic Ceramic Coatings
http://www.amr-coatings.com/metallic_ceramic.html
With certain configurations of these milliballoons and tough fibers of
basalt, it’s entirely possible to obtain an insulation coefficient of .
0009765 or that of R-1024 per meter/m2/k, and perhaps a greater
density structural composite version of R-512 or thermal transfer
coefficient of .00195 per meter/m2/k that still doesn’t hardly weigh
anything on Venus, but represents a great deal of compressive and
tensile strength without our ever having to hardly import a damn thing
from home. Of course this means having the capability of actually on-
location producing these complex composites and structural products,
other than having to obtain such from here on Earth.
Only significant requirement for processing basalt into the likes of
such tough little H2 filled milliballoons and fibers of 4.84 GPa is
that of energy, and Venus makes that requirement rather easy and with
loads of energy to spare, not to mention the 0.9 gravity advantage and
whatever one can manage to do within 65 kg/m3 buoyancy. Getting our
technology safely (no matters how robust and hefty) onto the surface
of Venus shouldn’t impose 1% the problems of doing such with Mars.
To an intelligent species of ET (meaning us and most anyone else half
as smart as a 5th grader), the toasty as hell planet Venus that passes
within 110 fold the distance of our moon is a piece of cake, with lots
of nifty frosting on top and metallicity goodies inside. I’d swear
that SpongeBob SquarePants or most anyone from Sesame Street already
has enough basic smarts to accomplish Venus. So, exactly what’s wrong
with all the other brown-nosed JPL clowns plus those within our DARPA
and NASA cabals?
On Mar 8, 7:58 am, "G=EMC^2" <herbertglazi...@gmail.com> wrote:
: Reality is in the universe there are more type planets like
: Venus than Earth types. Lots of reality in this thinking /TreBerrt
That’s exactly correct, in that Earth like Edens (extremely dry, wet,
hot and cold) with millions of preexisting plus a few much newer
complex species, are likely going to be few and far between.
“We're ignorant of life in the universe. We only have one planet
that serves as an example and in science it's not good to derive
information from a sample size of one.” / David Grinspoon
At least I never suggested the pressure cooker environment of Venus
was ever naked Goldilocks suitable as is, but that doesn't mean that
intelligent other life (as primitive as us) couldn't manage to safely
deal with it. Obviously our resident redneck ZNRs and FUD-masters
can’t hardly deal with Earth without doing more damage than good, much
less constructively accomplishing anything off-world, so instead they
focus their bogus talents upon topic/author stalking and trashing our
topics and replies for all they can muster.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
http://translate.google.com/#
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On Mar 24, 4:39 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
HVAC
Mar 25, 2012, 8:42:32 AM3/25/12
to
On 3/24/2012 7:39 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> What should the natural terrain and whatever 3D plan-view site of any
> significant off-world logistics on behalf of depicting a large scale
> mining operation look like from the air, or better yet from that
> perspective of a spendy spy satellite using SAR (Synthetic Aperture
> Radar) imaging, that’s peering downward at 43 degrees and compiling a
> derivative composite image from 36 confirming scans per pixel, tend to
> look like?
No one cares, Guth. Venus is a gay planet, inhabited by Venusian
> What should the natural terrain and whatever 3D plan-view site of any
> significant off-world logistics on behalf of depicting a large scale
> mining operation look like from the air, or better yet from that
> perspective of a spendy spy satellite using SAR (Synthetic Aperture
> Radar) imaging, that’s peering downward at 43 degrees and compiling a
> derivative composite image from 36 confirming scans per pixel, tend to
> look like?
homos and studied by earthbound queers like you.
No offense.
--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
Hägar
Mar 25, 2012, 11:27:41 AM3/25/12
to
"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2b88ae8c-ff9d-49d8...@oq7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
<< snip decade old GuthStein srivel >>
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
millions of years old make-believe human remains, you just don't get tired
of regurgitating the same old and stale Venusian crapola. Just like a
typical Liberal/Democrat, you have all the
answers to our problems, it is just that you can't come up with a coherent
game-plan of execution ... and that is because, with
today's level of human technology, it simply is impossible to mine Venus, or
Mercury, or the outer Gas Giants or any of their many moons.
The sooner you get your head out of your pooper, the sooner the
fresh air can restore some of your sanity.
Brad Guth
Mar 25, 2012, 1:55:05 PM3/25/12
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On Mar 25, 8:27 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
In your case, insanity as sustained by your mainstream ZNR military
industrial complex of redneck greed and corruption, is not a good
enough excuse.
Individuals exploiting off-world resources was proven doable by our
fully public funded cloak and dagger Apollo cold-war era, as well as
by others such as Russia that performed robotic missions decades
before any American redneck ZNRs like yourself.
The fact of your having proven multiple times that you can't interpret
any image other than ones having Muslim WMD in their frame of view, is
proof-positive that you've always been one of the ZNR bad guys (aka
home grown terrorists).
Methods of privately exploiting other worlds like our moon and the
extremely nearby planet Venus have been technically doable as of
decades ago. Just because you and others of your redneck incest
mutated kind can't come up with one positive/constructive alternative
or method isn't my fault. Instead, blame your parents and the faith-
based teachers of their perverted and corrupted era of mafia cabal
lies upon lies that you seem to love because of all the blood and
global inflation associated with their actions that you still can't
find anything the least bit wrong with.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
feasible complex life was as of 300+ million years ago, as having been
trapped in hydrocarbon muck and tar pits that eventually turned into
coal. Ed Conrad's 305 million year old "man of coal" isn't out of
line by 1% as much as you and others of your incest kind seem to
always be.
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
industrial complex of redneck greed and corruption, is not a good
enough excuse.
Individuals exploiting off-world resources was proven doable by our
fully public funded cloak and dagger Apollo cold-war era, as well as
by others such as Russia that performed robotic missions decades
before any American redneck ZNRs like yourself.
The fact of your having proven multiple times that you can't interpret
any image other than ones having Muslim WMD in their frame of view, is
proof-positive that you've always been one of the ZNR bad guys (aka
home grown terrorists).
Methods of privately exploiting other worlds like our moon and the
extremely nearby planet Venus have been technically doable as of
decades ago. Just because you and others of your redneck incest
mutated kind can't come up with one positive/constructive alternative
or method isn't my fault. Instead, blame your parents and the faith-
based teachers of their perverted and corrupted era of mafia cabal
lies upon lies that you seem to love because of all the blood and
global inflation associated with their actions that you still can't
find anything the least bit wrong with.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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feasible complex life was as of 300+ million years ago, as having been
trapped in hydrocarbon muck and tar pits that eventually turned into
coal. Ed Conrad's 305 million year old "man of coal" isn't out of
line by 1% as much as you and others of your incest kind seem to
always be.
Brad Guth
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Venus has been getting more interesting and even measurably cooler by
the day, and if it came any closer to us it would have to be
reclassified as a NEO. As is, Venus gets to within 110 LD every 19
months (110 LD if using 384,400 km = 1 LD), and under those thick and
acidic clouds it even manages to show us the same face each time (as
though it’s somewhat tidal locked or rather tidal influenced by the
association with Earth), and the odds of that ever happening anywhere
else in the universe are truly astronomical. Venus is also slowing
down by roughly 6.5 minutes in the past 16 years, as though it has a
very fluid dynamic interior and has more than one other nearby mass
(aka Earth plus our moon) that’s affecting its tidal locking to us.
It’s also geothermal plus a little solar driven to extremes:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Express/SEMUQCLXOWF_0.html
Instrument: VIRTIS
“The map is centred at the South Pole. The measured temperatures range
from 442°C (or 715K), red to 422°C (or 695K) blue; higher temperatures
correspond to lower altitudes, while lower temperature correspond to
higher altitudes. The temperature difference is key to understanding
whether Venus is volcanically active today. Scientists are now
studying the cause of the differences in the expected temperature and
the measured temperature, it can be either due a real increase in
temperature, due to volcanic activity, or an apparent increase in
temperature due to differences in the surface material.”
Notice how much cooler those hottest locations are, roasting at 20 K
cooler than previously reported by our NASA, as supposedly having
established the average planet temperature of 735 K. It seems the
average surface is now more like 705 K, which is running 30 K below
the previously reported average, and for a planet of this size and
mass represents an absolutely huge thermodynamic shift at becoming
much cooler than previously thought, as well as slowing its rotation
down.
Of course those upper nighttime clouds are still absolutely cryogenic
cold, whereas anything above 65 km is simply downright seriously cold
(thermosphere/cryosphere). Those polar cloud tops of 60 km altitude
are only worth 250 K (-23 C), and there’s actually enough atmospheric
density for accommodating a composite rigid airship or buoyant shuttle
within that polar vortex. Otherwise at roughly 65 to 70 km it’s only
as warm as 230 K (-43 C), with the upper nighttime thermosphere/
cryosphere pulled down to 100K (-173 C). Directly below those polar
vortex flows it could easily be a cool as 600 K on the surface, which
of course is still to hot for our naked Goldilocks.
So I really don’t understand how the sun alone can be so totally
responsible for all that surplus of surface heat, especially when a
good 75+% of that solar energy is reflected away and otherwise fended
off by those thick and dense acidic clouds of sulfur and carbonated
water to begin with. If Earth had similar thick and acidic clouds of
100% coverage, we’d be freezing to death even in the tropics
(especially cold if we didn’t already have the added 2e20 N/sec worth
of tidal modulation from our terrifically massive and nearby moon).
Those radioactive uranium and thorium fissions within Venus must be
truly considerable, along with the much thinner crust than Earth, must
be the primary contributing source of all that surface heat and active
geothermal vents that has to continually replenish its relatively
unprotected atmosphere.
Besides the near 15 m/s vortex that’s progressing to spiral inward and
spin faster from those upper 60+ km cryogenic layers of extreme cold
that’s being drawn downward to the 600 K hot surface near each pole
(inducing one hell of a downdraft and likely sustaining dual polar
tornado wind energy wise should be worth at least a few hundred TW
each), plus the 15 km of added cloud-top elevation by day at the
equator reaching nearly 75 km, and there’s actually lots of other
interesting ESA obtained science pertaining to the planet Venus:
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=48598
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=39432
Like all natural and/or renewable energy that doesn’t have to get
utilized, just like we do not bother to utilize 99.9999999% (not even
a billionth) of the easily accessible solar energy, as well as we’ve
never utilized the terrific potential energy from radon gas or even
from the local cache of helium and He3 that have been valuable
elements that we simply allow to get vented and/or wasted along with a
great deal of other gas leakage plus raw volumes of vented CH4 and H2,
as well as via wellhead flaring and multiple blowouts that includes
He, CO plus otherwise loads of CO2, along with combustion generated
CO2 and NOx plus contributing multiple other well known toxic
carcinogens as artificial soot and compound vapors that becomes
extremely acidic in the damp atmosphere and otherwise creates global
dimming because, most of us are either not smart enough or simply
don’t care about the all-inclusive polluting that’s doing a terrific
job of global dimming our world. So, there’s no good reason to
perceive that even the smartest of us humans will honestly care about
ever utilizing the raw thermodynamics and those terrific atmospheric
pressure differentials of Venus, not to mention the 10% less gravity
and its 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy that I believe is actually worth 5% more by
season of nighttime and otherwise pretty hard to ignore because rigid
airships made of iron could actually float in that terrific
atmospheric soup.
My own investigative research and deductive observationology, as
sharing interpretations about this “Guth Venus” area, that offers such
numerous artificial looking items of considerable geometric
dimensional shape and size, by which to all known and peer accepted
forms of conventional planet geology and erosion expertise can not
have been created naturally (unless those laws of physics and geology
work differently on Venus), is just offering another independent
investigative silver platter of food for thought.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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the day, and if it came any closer to us it would have to be
reclassified as a NEO. As is, Venus gets to within 110 LD every 19
months (110 LD if using 384,400 km = 1 LD), and under those thick and
acidic clouds it even manages to show us the same face each time (as
though it’s somewhat tidal locked or rather tidal influenced by the
association with Earth), and the odds of that ever happening anywhere
else in the universe are truly astronomical. Venus is also slowing
down by roughly 6.5 minutes in the past 16 years, as though it has a
very fluid dynamic interior and has more than one other nearby mass
(aka Earth plus our moon) that’s affecting its tidal locking to us.
It’s also geothermal plus a little solar driven to extremes:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Express/SEMUQCLXOWF_0.html
Instrument: VIRTIS
“The map is centred at the South Pole. The measured temperatures range
from 442°C (or 715K), red to 422°C (or 695K) blue; higher temperatures
correspond to lower altitudes, while lower temperature correspond to
higher altitudes. The temperature difference is key to understanding
whether Venus is volcanically active today. Scientists are now
studying the cause of the differences in the expected temperature and
the measured temperature, it can be either due a real increase in
temperature, due to volcanic activity, or an apparent increase in
temperature due to differences in the surface material.”
Notice how much cooler those hottest locations are, roasting at 20 K
cooler than previously reported by our NASA, as supposedly having
established the average planet temperature of 735 K. It seems the
average surface is now more like 705 K, which is running 30 K below
the previously reported average, and for a planet of this size and
mass represents an absolutely huge thermodynamic shift at becoming
much cooler than previously thought, as well as slowing its rotation
down.
Of course those upper nighttime clouds are still absolutely cryogenic
cold, whereas anything above 65 km is simply downright seriously cold
(thermosphere/cryosphere). Those polar cloud tops of 60 km altitude
are only worth 250 K (-23 C), and there’s actually enough atmospheric
density for accommodating a composite rigid airship or buoyant shuttle
within that polar vortex. Otherwise at roughly 65 to 70 km it’s only
as warm as 230 K (-43 C), with the upper nighttime thermosphere/
cryosphere pulled down to 100K (-173 C). Directly below those polar
vortex flows it could easily be a cool as 600 K on the surface, which
of course is still to hot for our naked Goldilocks.
So I really don’t understand how the sun alone can be so totally
responsible for all that surplus of surface heat, especially when a
good 75+% of that solar energy is reflected away and otherwise fended
off by those thick and dense acidic clouds of sulfur and carbonated
water to begin with. If Earth had similar thick and acidic clouds of
100% coverage, we’d be freezing to death even in the tropics
(especially cold if we didn’t already have the added 2e20 N/sec worth
of tidal modulation from our terrifically massive and nearby moon).
Those radioactive uranium and thorium fissions within Venus must be
truly considerable, along with the much thinner crust than Earth, must
be the primary contributing source of all that surface heat and active
geothermal vents that has to continually replenish its relatively
unprotected atmosphere.
Besides the near 15 m/s vortex that’s progressing to spiral inward and
spin faster from those upper 60+ km cryogenic layers of extreme cold
that’s being drawn downward to the 600 K hot surface near each pole
(inducing one hell of a downdraft and likely sustaining dual polar
tornado wind energy wise should be worth at least a few hundred TW
each), plus the 15 km of added cloud-top elevation by day at the
equator reaching nearly 75 km, and there’s actually lots of other
interesting ESA obtained science pertaining to the planet Venus:
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=48598
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=39432
Like all natural and/or renewable energy that doesn’t have to get
utilized, just like we do not bother to utilize 99.9999999% (not even
a billionth) of the easily accessible solar energy, as well as we’ve
never utilized the terrific potential energy from radon gas or even
from the local cache of helium and He3 that have been valuable
elements that we simply allow to get vented and/or wasted along with a
great deal of other gas leakage plus raw volumes of vented CH4 and H2,
as well as via wellhead flaring and multiple blowouts that includes
He, CO plus otherwise loads of CO2, along with combustion generated
CO2 and NOx plus contributing multiple other well known toxic
carcinogens as artificial soot and compound vapors that becomes
extremely acidic in the damp atmosphere and otherwise creates global
dimming because, most of us are either not smart enough or simply
don’t care about the all-inclusive polluting that’s doing a terrific
job of global dimming our world. So, there’s no good reason to
perceive that even the smartest of us humans will honestly care about
ever utilizing the raw thermodynamics and those terrific atmospheric
pressure differentials of Venus, not to mention the 10% less gravity
and its 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy that I believe is actually worth 5% more by
season of nighttime and otherwise pretty hard to ignore because rigid
airships made of iron could actually float in that terrific
atmospheric soup.
My own investigative research and deductive observationology, as
sharing interpretations about this “Guth Venus” area, that offers such
numerous artificial looking items of considerable geometric
dimensional shape and size, by which to all known and peer accepted
forms of conventional planet geology and erosion expertise can not
have been created naturally (unless those laws of physics and geology
work differently on Venus), is just offering another independent
investigative silver platter of food for thought.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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On Mar 24, 4:39 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Mar 26, 2012, 1:45:05 AM3/26/12
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and NASA hiding these days?
Is there any better examples of weird geology, than offered by "Guth
Venus"?
Brad Guth
Mar 28, 2012, 1:44:13 AM3/28/12
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So, where's the crack image interpreting expertise of our DARPA, JPL,
"Guth Venus"?
ASU and NASA hiding these days?
Is there any better examples of complex weird geology, than offered by
"Guth Venus"?
Brad Guth
Mar 29, 2012, 7:39:36 PM3/29/12
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Brad Guth
Mar 31, 2012, 8:29:21 AM3/31/12
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Apparently, Venus is still taboo/nondisclosure rated.
Just because there are a good number of geometric items of sufficient
size and complexity doesn't mean that intelligent other life is still
there.
Perhaps yourself and others of deductive image interpreting expertise
can add a little something of their very own talent to this growing
list of contributing what an actively thriving community of an
intelligent mining operation should look like, as imaged from the
perspective of an advanced spy satellite, keeping in mind that the
scale of such items on any given dimension has to be worth at least 75
meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so
we’re not trying to interpret anything that’s smaller than 225 meters
per dimension.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
Just because there are a good number of geometric items of sufficient
size and complexity doesn't mean that intelligent other life is still
there.
Perhaps yourself and others of deductive image interpreting expertise
can add a little something of their very own talent to this growing
list of contributing what an actively thriving community of an
intelligent mining operation should look like, as imaged from the
perspective of an advanced spy satellite, keeping in mind that the
scale of such items on any given dimension has to be worth at least 75
meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so
we’re not trying to interpret anything that’s smaller than 225 meters
per dimension.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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Apparently, the extremely nearby planet Venus is still taboo/
nondisclosure rated.
Just because there are a good number of those weird geometric items of
sufficient size and complexity, doesn't mean that intelligent other
nondisclosure rated.
Just because there are a good number of those weird geometric items of
sufficient size and complexity, doesn't mean that intelligent other
life is still there.
Perhaps yourself and others of deductive image interpreting expertise
can add a little something of their very own talent to this growing
list of contributing what an actively thriving community of an
intelligent mining operation should look like, as imaged from the
perspective of an advanced spy satellite, keeping in mind that the
scale of such items on any given dimension has to be worth at least 75
meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so
we’re not trying to interpret anything that’s smaller than 225 meters
per dimension.
Perhaps yourself and others of deductive image interpreting expertise
can add a little something of their very own talent to this growing
list of contributing what an actively thriving community of an
intelligent mining operation should look like, as imaged from the
perspective of an advanced spy satellite, keeping in mind that the
scale of such items on any given dimension has to be worth at least 75
meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so
we’re not trying to interpret anything that’s smaller than 225 meters
per dimension.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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Venus terrain is certainly weird, and that’s essentially without the
benefits of any rapid or strong tidal forces, tectonics or having any
significant impact generated antipodes.
Here’s some random Earth/terrestrial images via SAR-C:
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect8/Sect8_1.html
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect8/Sect8_7.html
http://satftp.soest.hawaii.edu/space/hawaii/vfts/oahu/rem_sens_ex/rsex.honolulu.html
http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/images/washdc_radar_gif_image.html
http://satftp.soest.hawaii.edu/space/hawaii/navnew/images/images.maui.html
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/pia04960
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA04960.jpg
Death Valley http://southport.jpl.nasa.gov/cdrom/sirced03/cdrom/DATA/LOCATION/NAMERICA/DEATHVAL/POSTSIRC/CM11318C.GIF
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924271602001247
http://southport.jpl.nasa.gov/pio/srl2/sirc/srl2-sf.gif
http://eos.higp.hawaii.edu/ppages/IMAGES/plf2b.jpg
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=591
As with all forms of imaging (including naked eye), SAR/SIR methods
can and do their own form of distorting (though usually not as applied
to any selective pattern of pixels, but instead as equally to each and
every pixel). However, unlike most forms of optical imaging, whereas
SAR methods simply distort the least and their uniform photon
penetration that doesn’t involve optical elements nor having to depend
on solar illumination or otherwise bothered or fooled by those pesky
shadows that are continually variable, is what makes satellite radar
obtained imaging the most reliable and even auto-confirming as to the
metallicity or the inert lack of metals whenever a composite of 36
looks or scans per pixel are essentially stacked in order to represent
the best derivative assembly process of what creates the composite
gray-tone image that we humans get to interpret.
In other words, even if you wanted to camouflage or otherwise obscure
or hide whatever geology or artificial structures from the spy
satellite imaging that’s using radar instead of optical, is not going
to remain as easily hidden or so easily go undetected, especially if
the FOV and its downward angle of the radar scan view is that of
roughly 45 degrees, and especially the case when the composite or
derivative image is subsequently comprised of 36 confirming looks per
pixel.
With proper image processing, these highly reliable SAR/SIR-C images
can become nearly photographic worthy, with the exception of item
colors or their visual contrast not being an issue or any part of this
imaging data that’s based purely upon RF reflective attributes.
Of course our always vigilant NASA and their crack Magellan mission of
radar image interpreting team of observationology wizards, as such are
never going to admit failure, or even as having missed anything of any
significant importance with regard to the planet Venus, because they’d
all much rather die than having to explain. Actually, it’s their cult/
cabal nondisclosure agreement that’s keeping this lid of supposed
expertise extremely tight.
Here’s a terrestrial example of a natural flat top mountain, proving a
random pattern of geology uplift which can be relatively flat when
tectonics and/or a sufficient antipode pushup formation happens. Of
course from orbit it’s not looking as symmetrically geometrical that
would interpret as though it had been intentionally formed or
remodeled as to suit any specific function.
Mount Roraima (possible antipode), is not available in SAR-C or SIR-C
format. It’s certainly more than large enough for a good SAR-C
satellite obtained images, however we actually have a way better
public archive of accessible SAR/SIR-C obtained images of Venus than
we do of Earth, not that most every m2 of Earth hasn’t been radar
imaged and fully public funded to boot.
http://beautifulplacestovisit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Mount_Roraima_Venezuela1.jpg
http://www.zadan.nl/pics/mount/
http://interestingfactsblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/facts-about-mount-roraima-strangefacts.html
Mount Roraima (mountain, South America) giant flat-topped mountain,
or mesa, in the Pakaraima Mountains of the Guiana Highlands , at the
point where the boundaries of Brazil, Venezuela, and Guyana meet
About 9 miles (14 km) long and 9,094 feet (2,772 metres) high, it is
the source of many rivers of Guyana, and of the Amazon and Orinoco
Mount Roraima is a pretty remarkable place. It is a tabletop mountain
with sheer 400-metre high cliffs on all sides.
The average height of the plateau is about 2,500 metres (8,200 feet),
making it the highest point for distance of 549.44 kilometres (341.48
miles) in any direction.
Venus:
http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/eistlaregio.jpg
Perhaps yourself and others of deductive image interpreting expertise
can add a little something of their very own talent to this growing
list on behalf of contributing what an actively thriving community of
benefits of any rapid or strong tidal forces, tectonics or having any
significant impact generated antipodes.
Here’s some random Earth/terrestrial images via SAR-C:
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect8/Sect8_1.html
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect8/Sect8_7.html
http://satftp.soest.hawaii.edu/space/hawaii/vfts/oahu/rem_sens_ex/rsex.honolulu.html
http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/images/washdc_radar_gif_image.html
http://satftp.soest.hawaii.edu/space/hawaii/navnew/images/images.maui.html
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/pia04960
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA04960.jpg
Death Valley http://southport.jpl.nasa.gov/cdrom/sirced03/cdrom/DATA/LOCATION/NAMERICA/DEATHVAL/POSTSIRC/CM11318C.GIF
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924271602001247
http://southport.jpl.nasa.gov/pio/srl2/sirc/srl2-sf.gif
http://eos.higp.hawaii.edu/ppages/IMAGES/plf2b.jpg
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=591
As with all forms of imaging (including naked eye), SAR/SIR methods
can and do their own form of distorting (though usually not as applied
to any selective pattern of pixels, but instead as equally to each and
every pixel). However, unlike most forms of optical imaging, whereas
SAR methods simply distort the least and their uniform photon
penetration that doesn’t involve optical elements nor having to depend
on solar illumination or otherwise bothered or fooled by those pesky
shadows that are continually variable, is what makes satellite radar
obtained imaging the most reliable and even auto-confirming as to the
metallicity or the inert lack of metals whenever a composite of 36
looks or scans per pixel are essentially stacked in order to represent
the best derivative assembly process of what creates the composite
gray-tone image that we humans get to interpret.
In other words, even if you wanted to camouflage or otherwise obscure
or hide whatever geology or artificial structures from the spy
satellite imaging that’s using radar instead of optical, is not going
to remain as easily hidden or so easily go undetected, especially if
the FOV and its downward angle of the radar scan view is that of
roughly 45 degrees, and especially the case when the composite or
derivative image is subsequently comprised of 36 confirming looks per
pixel.
With proper image processing, these highly reliable SAR/SIR-C images
can become nearly photographic worthy, with the exception of item
colors or their visual contrast not being an issue or any part of this
imaging data that’s based purely upon RF reflective attributes.
Of course our always vigilant NASA and their crack Magellan mission of
radar image interpreting team of observationology wizards, as such are
never going to admit failure, or even as having missed anything of any
significant importance with regard to the planet Venus, because they’d
all much rather die than having to explain. Actually, it’s their cult/
cabal nondisclosure agreement that’s keeping this lid of supposed
expertise extremely tight.
Here’s a terrestrial example of a natural flat top mountain, proving a
random pattern of geology uplift which can be relatively flat when
tectonics and/or a sufficient antipode pushup formation happens. Of
course from orbit it’s not looking as symmetrically geometrical that
would interpret as though it had been intentionally formed or
remodeled as to suit any specific function.
Mount Roraima (possible antipode), is not available in SAR-C or SIR-C
format. It’s certainly more than large enough for a good SAR-C
satellite obtained images, however we actually have a way better
public archive of accessible SAR/SIR-C obtained images of Venus than
we do of Earth, not that most every m2 of Earth hasn’t been radar
imaged and fully public funded to boot.
http://beautifulplacestovisit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Mount_Roraima_Venezuela1.jpg
http://www.zadan.nl/pics/mount/
http://interestingfactsblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/facts-about-mount-roraima-strangefacts.html
Mount Roraima (mountain, South America) giant flat-topped mountain,
or mesa, in the Pakaraima Mountains of the Guiana Highlands , at the
point where the boundaries of Brazil, Venezuela, and Guyana meet
About 9 miles (14 km) long and 9,094 feet (2,772 metres) high, it is
the source of many rivers of Guyana, and of the Amazon and Orinoco
Mount Roraima is a pretty remarkable place. It is a tabletop mountain
with sheer 400-metre high cliffs on all sides.
The average height of the plateau is about 2,500 metres (8,200 feet),
making it the highest point for distance of 549.44 kilometres (341.48
miles) in any direction.
Venus:
http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/eistlaregio.jpg
Perhaps yourself and others of deductive image interpreting expertise
can add a little something of their very own talent to this growing
an intelligent mining operation should look like, as imaged from the
perspective of an advanced spy satellite, keeping in mind that the
scale of such items on any given dimension has to be worth at least 75
meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so
for the most part we’re not trying to interpret anything that’s
perspective of an advanced spy satellite, keeping in mind that the
scale of such items on any given dimension has to be worth at least 75
meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so
smaller than 225 meters per dimension.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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On Mar 24, 4:39 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Apr 3, 2012, 1:41:58 PM4/3/12
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What should the natural terrain and erosion geology of whatever 3D
Shouldn’t there be any number of large scale structures, possibly
including a nearby airstrip or some sort of relatively flat surface
for shuttles or even for accommodating extremely large industrial
airships to utilize?
If there’s any nearby deeply eroded or lava-flow created ravine or
natural formed canyon, shouldn’t that sort of vertically offset
terrain be logical as to our capability of detecting some kind of
bridge, if such existed?
For their local construction purposes, shouldn’t there logically be a
nearby geometric reformed or modified area of a bedrock quarry site,
If the planet were geologically active and obviously science
quantified as having been venting new atmospheric elements like
If this were to be an actual ET or indigenous mining operation;
wouldn’t the assortment and arrangement of such infrastructure have to
further suggest a rational community like layout or city/town like
configuration?
If this were all situated within a highly mountainous terrain;
wouldn’t this community of large geometric structures and their
infrastructure need to look very much out of place from the otherwise
random geology happenstance of nature, or at the very least interpret
as way out of ordinary from anything mother or father nature could
have accomplished?
If the local terrain indicated by all sorts of science as having been
I’m certain if we start exploiting the full metallicity worth of our
moon, that when such efforts are viewed even from Earth, amateur
astronomers will be capable of imaging with sufficient resolution and
with colors/hues plus more than adequate dynamic range of contrast, as
to seeing our surface structures and identify their rational community
like infrastructure. Of course, surface mining the naked moon would
be a very difficult and risky consideration (unless it were mostly
accomplished via TBMs operating entirely inside the mostly
paramagnetic basalt crust of the moon), than doing Venus that’s most
likely considerably hotter inside than on the surface.
Perhaps yourself and others of any deductive image interpreting
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
plan-view site of any significant off-world logistics on behalf of
depicting a large scale mining operation look like from the air, or
better yet from that perspective of a spendy spy satellite using SAR
(Synthetic Aperture Radar) imaging, that’s peering downward at 43
degrees and compiling a derivative composite image from 36 confirming
scans per pixel, and subsequently tend to look like?
depicting a large scale mining operation look like from the air, or
better yet from that perspective of a spendy spy satellite using SAR
(Synthetic Aperture Radar) imaging, that’s peering downward at 43
degrees and compiling a derivative composite image from 36 confirming
Shouldn’t there be any number of large scale structures, possibly
including a nearby airstrip or some sort of relatively flat surface
for shuttles or even for accommodating extremely large industrial
airships to utilize?
If there’s any nearby deeply eroded or lava-flow created ravine or
natural formed canyon, shouldn’t that sort of vertically offset
bridge, if such existed?
For their local construction purposes, shouldn’t there logically be a
or two or three?
If having an atmospheric density worth 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy and only
90.5% gravity was the norm; what might a suitably commercial or
industrial class of large airship look like?
How and/or where upon such a toasty planet would that sort of large
airship be parked or safely stored until use? (in other words, what
sort of local infrastructure would be necessary for accommodating such
an industrial mining ore/cargo hauling airships?)
If having an atmospheric density worth 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy and only
90.5% gravity was the norm; what might a suitably commercial or
industrial class of large airship look like?
How and/or where upon such a toasty planet would that sort of large
airship be parked or safely stored until use? (in other words, what
sort of local infrastructure would be necessary for accommodating such
If the planet were geologically active and obviously science
crazy; shouldn’t there be a few natural and possibly artificial
reservoirs of local fluids?
If this were to be an actual ET or indigenous mining operation;
wouldn’t the assortment and arrangement of such infrastructure have to
further suggest a rational community like layout or city/town like
configuration?
If this were all situated within a highly mountainous terrain;
wouldn’t this community of large geometric structures and their
random geology happenstance of nature, or at the very least interpret
as way out of ordinary from anything mother or father nature could
have accomplished?
If the local terrain indicated by all sorts of science as having been
geologically active, and if there were multiple signs of substantial
ongoing heavy and/or dense gas/vapor venting of any sort of hot and
potential metallicity content; as such shouldn’t a pattern of that
vented outflow also be detected by the same SAR/SIR-C imaging methods?
ongoing heavy and/or dense gas/vapor venting of any sort of hot and
potential metallicity content; as such shouldn’t a pattern of that
I’m certain if we start exploiting the full metallicity worth of our
astronomers will be capable of imaging with sufficient resolution and
with colors/hues plus more than adequate dynamic range of contrast, as
to seeing our surface structures and identify their rational community
like infrastructure. Of course, surface mining the naked moon would
be a very difficult and risky consideration (unless it were mostly
accomplished via TBMs operating entirely inside the mostly
paramagnetic basalt crust of the moon), than doing Venus that’s most
likely considerably hotter inside than on the surface.
Perhaps yourself and others of any deductive image interpreting
expertise can add a little something of their very own talent to this
growing list of contributing to what an actively thriving community of
an intelligent mining operation should look like, as imaged from the
perspective of an advanced spy satellite, keeping in mind that the
scale of such items on any given dimension has to be worth at least 75
meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so
for the most part we’re not trying to interpret anything that’s
smaller than 225 meters per geometric dimension.
perspective of an advanced spy satellite, keeping in mind that the
scale of such items on any given dimension has to be worth at least 75
meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so
for the most part we’re not trying to interpret anything that’s
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Brad Guth
Apr 4, 2012, 12:47:03 AM4/4/12
to
The science of observationology for deductively interpreting satellite
images is clearly taboo/nondisclosure rated as NO FLY.
On Apr 1, 10:28 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Venus terrain is certainly weird, and that’s essentially without the
> benefits of any rapid or strong tidal forces, tectonics or having any
> significant impact generated antipodes.
>
> Here’s some random Earth/terrestrial images via SAR-C:
> http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect8/Sect8_1.html
> http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect8/Sect8_7.html
> http://satftp.soest.hawaii.edu/space/hawaii/vfts/oahu/rem_sens_ex/rse...
> http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/images/washdc_radar_gif_image.html
> http://satftp.soest.hawaii.edu/space/hawaii/navnew/images/images.maui...
> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/pia04960
> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA04960.jpg
> Death Valley http://southport.jpl.nasa.gov/cdrom/sirced03/cdrom/DATA/LOCATION/NAME...
> http://beautifulplacestovisit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Mount_Ro...
> http://www.zadan.nl/pics/mount/
> http://interestingfactsblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/facts-about-mount-ro...
images is clearly taboo/nondisclosure rated as NO FLY.
On Apr 1, 10:28 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Venus terrain is certainly weird, and that’s essentially without the
> benefits of any rapid or strong tidal forces, tectonics or having any
> significant impact generated antipodes.
>
> Here’s some random Earth/terrestrial images via SAR-C:
> http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect8/Sect8_1.html
> http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect8/Sect8_7.html
> http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/images/washdc_radar_gif_image.html
> http://satftp.soest.hawaii.edu/space/hawaii/navnew/images/images.maui...
> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/pia04960
> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA04960.jpg
> Death Valley http://southport.jpl.nasa.gov/cdrom/sirced03/cdrom/DATA/LOCATION/NAME...
> http://www.zadan.nl/pics/mount/
> http://interestingfactsblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/facts-about-mount-ro...
Brad Guth
Apr 4, 2012, 4:59:54 PM4/4/12
to
At least while exploiting Venus, we will not have to worry about
dealing with any pesky ice-age, rising ocean levels, tectonic plates
moving or quakes. Even incoming meteors are deflected or vaporized
before impact, and a considerable asteroid will get slowed down as to
hardly causing a surface thump.
For many perfectly valid reasons, we’ll need to go hard at off-world
exploitations of our moon and a few other places, such as Venus, as
well as switching as much as possible over to the much cleaner
hydrogen and HTP fueled economy that’s a whole lot more renewable than
anything hydrocarbon has to offer. Quality synfuel from coal is still
viable if its processing is mostly via clean solar and hydrogen
accomplished (aka Mokenergy), as well as hydrogen fuel cells running
at near 60% efficiency can not be ignored. This doesn’t mean that
newer and bigger hydroelectric dams plus otherwise thorium fueled
reactors shouldn’t become a primary source of failsafe and clean
energy that’ll each be less than 10% the cost of the best conventional
nuclear derived energy fueled by MOX that’s only one minor step away
from creating WMD and otherwise traumatizing our environment past the
point of no return.
The Usenet/newsgroup gauntlet of Rusemasters and FUD-masters like
contributor “1treePetrifiedForestLane” that would not dare disclose
who they really are or much less whoever they represent, are certainly
not few nor far between. Clearly these pretend-Atheists act/react
exactly like any devout Semite oligarch mafia would, and they have
absolutely no remorse about their past, present or any hesitation as
to their future actions.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/browse_frm/thread/76aa579c40a05100#
On Mar 31, 6:35 am, wsnel...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 30, 5:52 pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <Space...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > newsflash: they are by source renewable,
> > whether or not we are extracting them at a renewable rate;
> > thye are just biomass!
>
> We are using them up roughly a million times faster than they are
> being formed. The Demarkians _might_ be doing a little better, maybe
> "only" 500,000 times faster, but they don't include the use by their
> shipping industry in their estimates. Many of the more outspoken
> Warmingistas might be using up their "share" of the fuel about 10
> million or more times faster. IOW, they are using someone else's
> "share."
>
>
> > > Obviously you have been fully invested in hydrocarbons, so that's
Whenever they get to exclude the other preliminary plus multiple
secondary factors of extracting, transporting, storage, processing,
distributing and/or subsequent exporting and just otherwise our using
up those hydrocarbons as fast as they get delivered, whereas it
doesn't cont as anything all that negative or of any consequence
against their supposedly renewable capability. Whereas instead by way
of mass consuming such hydrocarbons, or in the case of their venting
off and/or disposing of helium at a good billion times faster than
it’s getting created from scratch within, apparently doesn't count
against our survival or against the environment until the very last
barrel and m3 gets processed, flared off, consumed, spilled or raw
vented into the polluted atmosphere, as well as entirely lost into
space by the tonnes per second.
By using up the other global shares of hydrocarbons and rare elements
that clearly belong to others that are least compensated or not even
entitled to their own hydrocarbons or rare-earths, is simply the best
ever Semitic oligarch Rothschild kind of heaven on Earth, because to
them they have nothing to lose when hell doesn’t even exist.
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dealing with any pesky ice-age, rising ocean levels, tectonic plates
moving or quakes. Even incoming meteors are deflected or vaporized
before impact, and a considerable asteroid will get slowed down as to
hardly causing a surface thump.
For many perfectly valid reasons, we’ll need to go hard at off-world
exploitations of our moon and a few other places, such as Venus, as
well as switching as much as possible over to the much cleaner
hydrogen and HTP fueled economy that’s a whole lot more renewable than
anything hydrocarbon has to offer. Quality synfuel from coal is still
viable if its processing is mostly via clean solar and hydrogen
accomplished (aka Mokenergy), as well as hydrogen fuel cells running
at near 60% efficiency can not be ignored. This doesn’t mean that
newer and bigger hydroelectric dams plus otherwise thorium fueled
reactors shouldn’t become a primary source of failsafe and clean
energy that’ll each be less than 10% the cost of the best conventional
nuclear derived energy fueled by MOX that’s only one minor step away
from creating WMD and otherwise traumatizing our environment past the
point of no return.
The Usenet/newsgroup gauntlet of Rusemasters and FUD-masters like
contributor “1treePetrifiedForestLane” that would not dare disclose
who they really are or much less whoever they represent, are certainly
not few nor far between. Clearly these pretend-Atheists act/react
exactly like any devout Semite oligarch mafia would, and they have
absolutely no remorse about their past, present or any hesitation as
to their future actions.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/browse_frm/thread/76aa579c40a05100#
On Mar 31, 6:35 am, wsnel...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 30, 5:52 pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <Space...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > newsflash: they are by source renewable,
> > whether or not we are extracting them at a renewable rate;
> > thye are just biomass!
>
> We are using them up roughly a million times faster than they are
> being formed. The Demarkians _might_ be doing a little better, maybe
> "only" 500,000 times faster, but they don't include the use by their
> shipping industry in their estimates. Many of the more outspoken
> Warmingistas might be using up their "share" of the fuel about 10
> million or more times faster. IOW, they are using someone else's
> "share."
>
>
> > > Obviously you have been fully invested in hydrocarbons, so that's
Whenever they get to exclude the other preliminary plus multiple
secondary factors of extracting, transporting, storage, processing,
distributing and/or subsequent exporting and just otherwise our using
up those hydrocarbons as fast as they get delivered, whereas it
doesn't cont as anything all that negative or of any consequence
against their supposedly renewable capability. Whereas instead by way
of mass consuming such hydrocarbons, or in the case of their venting
off and/or disposing of helium at a good billion times faster than
it’s getting created from scratch within, apparently doesn't count
against our survival or against the environment until the very last
barrel and m3 gets processed, flared off, consumed, spilled or raw
vented into the polluted atmosphere, as well as entirely lost into
space by the tonnes per second.
By using up the other global shares of hydrocarbons and rare elements
that clearly belong to others that are least compensated or not even
entitled to their own hydrocarbons or rare-earths, is simply the best
ever Semitic oligarch Rothschild kind of heaven on Earth, because to
them they have nothing to lose when hell doesn’t even exist.
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Brad Guth
Apr 5, 2012, 6:35:18 PM4/5/12
to
Taking all sorts of new and old satellite imaging into account,
including those of Earth, our moon, other planets and a number of
their moons, by rights should give us some raw basis of
observationology for deductively interpreting such other places, such
as what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer. Though how
can the natural formation and geology with cooling, tectonics and
erosion of any other planet or moon become so entirely different from
that of our planet and moon?
Of course most K12s and higher educated have become incapable of
constructively interpreting anything outside of personal pleasures,
much less care about the greater good unless that leads to and/or
improves those pleasures that primarily benefit themselves. Most (the
vast 99.9% majority) are simply incapable of even finding public
topics within Google Groups or via whatever Usenet/newsgroups, perhaps
because this public medium of mostly text is not loaded down with
excessive commercial media hype and eyecandy plus the sharing of HDTV
video-infomercials plus video-sexting that only function sufficiently
within the latest and most spendy of ISPs or intranet bandwidth that’s
configured extensively for accommodating such interactive audio and
video pleasures, and otherwise of those media providers that are
otherwise not getting moderated to the point of excluding whatever
private contributions of topics and replies might have to offer, are
simply too few and far between.
So, in spite of all the usual mainstream obfuscation and their
expected denial of being in denial, what should the natural raw
terrain and its erosion formed geology of whatever 3D plan-view site
the least bit unusual?
For such a pressure-cooker environment, shouldn’t there be any number
offset terrain be logical as to our radar imaging capability detecting
If the planet were geologically active and obviously science
quantified as having been venting new atmospheric elements like
off?
If this were to be an actual ET or indigenous mining operation;
wouldn’t the assortment and arrangement of such infrastructure have to
further suggest a rational community like layout or city/town like
configuration?
If this were all situated within a highly mountainous terrain;
wouldn’t this community of large geometric structures and their
infrastructure need to look very much out of place from the otherwise
random geology happenstance of nature, or at the very least interpret
as way out of ordinary from anything mother or father nature could
have accomplished?
If the local terrain indicated by all sorts of science as having been
I’m certain if we start exploiting the full metallicity worth of our
observationology talent to this growing list, of contributing to what
including those of Earth, our moon, other planets and a number of
their moons, by rights should give us some raw basis of
observationology for deductively interpreting such other places, such
as what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer. Though how
can the natural formation and geology with cooling, tectonics and
erosion of any other planet or moon become so entirely different from
that of our planet and moon?
Of course most K12s and higher educated have become incapable of
constructively interpreting anything outside of personal pleasures,
much less care about the greater good unless that leads to and/or
improves those pleasures that primarily benefit themselves. Most (the
vast 99.9% majority) are simply incapable of even finding public
topics within Google Groups or via whatever Usenet/newsgroups, perhaps
because this public medium of mostly text is not loaded down with
excessive commercial media hype and eyecandy plus the sharing of HDTV
video-infomercials plus video-sexting that only function sufficiently
within the latest and most spendy of ISPs or intranet bandwidth that’s
configured extensively for accommodating such interactive audio and
video pleasures, and otherwise of those media providers that are
otherwise not getting moderated to the point of excluding whatever
private contributions of topics and replies might have to offer, are
simply too few and far between.
So, in spite of all the usual mainstream obfuscation and their
expected denial of being in denial, what should the natural raw
terrain and its erosion formed geology of whatever 3D plan-view site
of any significant off-world logistics on behalf of depicting a large
scale mining operation look like from the air, or even better yet from
that perspective of a spendy spy satellite using SAR (Synthetic
Aperture Radar) imaging that’s peering downward at 43 degrees, as for
compiling a derivative composite image from 36 confirming scans per
pixel, and subsequently should this image tend to look like anything
the least bit unusual?
For such a pressure-cooker environment, shouldn’t there be any number
of large scale structures, possibly including a nearby airstrip or
some sort of relatively flat surface for shuttles or even for
accommodating extremely large industrial airships to utilize?
If there’s any nearby deeply eroded or lava-flow created ravine or
otherwise naturally formed canyon, shouldn’t that sort of vertically
some sort of relatively flat surface for shuttles or even for
accommodating extremely large industrial airships to utilize?
If there’s any nearby deeply eroded or lava-flow created ravine or
offset terrain be logical as to our radar imaging capability detecting
some kind of bridge, if such existed?
For their local construction purposes, shouldn’t there logically be a
nearby geometric reformed or modified area of a bedrock quarry site,
or two or three?
If having an atmospheric density worth 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy and only
90.5% gravity was the norm; what might a suitably commercial or
industrial class of large airship look like?
How and/or where upon such a toasty planet would that sort of large
airship be parked or safely stored until use? (in other words, what
sort of local infrastructure would be necessary for accommodating such
an industrial mining ore/cargo hauling airships?)
If having an atmospheric density worth 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy and only
90.5% gravity was the norm; what might a suitably commercial or
industrial class of large airship look like?
How and/or where upon such a toasty planet would that sort of large
airship be parked or safely stored until use? (in other words, what
sort of local infrastructure would be necessary for accommodating such
If the planet were geologically active and obviously science
crazy; shouldn’t there be a few natural and possibly artificial
reservoirs of local fluids that by rights of physics shouldn’t boil
off?
If this were to be an actual ET or indigenous mining operation;
wouldn’t the assortment and arrangement of such infrastructure have to
further suggest a rational community like layout or city/town like
configuration?
If this were all situated within a highly mountainous terrain;
wouldn’t this community of large geometric structures and their
random geology happenstance of nature, or at the very least interpret
as way out of ordinary from anything mother or father nature could
have accomplished?
If the local terrain indicated by all sorts of science as having been
geologically active, and if there were multiple signs of substantial
ongoing heavy and/or dense gas/vapor venting of any sort of hot and
potential metallicity content; as such shouldn’t a pattern of that
vented outflow also be detected by the same SAR/SIR-C imaging methods?
ongoing heavy and/or dense gas/vapor venting of any sort of hot and
potential metallicity content; as such shouldn’t a pattern of that
I’m certain if we start exploiting the full metallicity worth of our
moon, that when such efforts are viewed even from Earth, amateur
astronomers will be capable of imaging with sufficient resolution and
with colors/hues plus more than adequate dynamic range of contrast, as
to seeing our surface structures and identify their rational community
like infrastructure. Of course, surface mining the naked moon would
be a very difficult and risky consideration (unless it were mostly
accomplished via TBMs operating entirely inside the mostly
paramagnetic basalt crust of the moon), than doing Venus that’s most
likely considerably hotter inside than on the surface.
Perhaps yourself and others of any deductive image interpreting
expertise can add a little something of their very own
astronomers will be capable of imaging with sufficient resolution and
with colors/hues plus more than adequate dynamic range of contrast, as
to seeing our surface structures and identify their rational community
like infrastructure. Of course, surface mining the naked moon would
be a very difficult and risky consideration (unless it were mostly
accomplished via TBMs operating entirely inside the mostly
paramagnetic basalt crust of the moon), than doing Venus that’s most
likely considerably hotter inside than on the surface.
Perhaps yourself and others of any deductive image interpreting
observationology talent to this growing list, of contributing to what
an actively thriving community of an intelligent mining operation
should look like, as imaged from the perspective of an advanced spy
satellite, keeping in mind that the scale of such items on any given
dimension has to be worth at least 75 meters/pixel or preferably
larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so for the most part we’re not
trying to interpret anything that’s smaller than 225 meters per
geometric dimension.
satellite, keeping in mind that the scale of such items on any given
dimension has to be worth at least 75 meters/pixel or preferably
larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so for the most part we’re not
trying to interpret anything that’s smaller than 225 meters per
geometric dimension.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Brad Guth
Apr 6, 2012, 12:15:53 AM4/6/12
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Venus terrain is certainly weird in a very hot and pressure-cooker
kind of way, and that’s essentially without the benefits of any rapid
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA04960.jpg
Death Valley http://southport.jpl.nasa.gov/cdrom/sirced03/cdrom/DATA/LOCATION/NAMERICA/DEATHVAL/POSTSIRC/CM11318C.GIF
imaged and fully public funded to boot. The latest SAR/SIR equipped
spy satellite that’s going retrograde-polar might offer as good as 0.1
m/pixel once a sufficient number of scans are performed.
kind of way, and that’s essentially without the benefits of any rapid
or strong tidal forces, tectonics or having any significant impact
generated antipodes.
Here’s some random Earth/terrestrial images via SAR-C:
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect8/Sect8_1.html
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect8/Sect8_7.html
generated antipodes.
Here’s some random Earth/terrestrial images via SAR-C:
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect8/Sect8_1.html
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect8/Sect8_7.html
http://satftp.soest.hawaii.edu/space/hawaii/vfts/oahu/rem_sens_ex/rsex.honolulu.html
http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/images/washdc_radar_gif_image.html
http://satftp.soest.hawaii.edu/space/hawaii/navnew/images/images.maui.html
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/pia04960
http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/images/washdc_radar_gif_image.html
http://satftp.soest.hawaii.edu/space/hawaii/navnew/images/images.maui.html
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA04960.jpg
Death Valley http://southport.jpl.nasa.gov/cdrom/sirced03/cdrom/DATA/LOCATION/NAMERICA/DEATHVAL/POSTSIRC/CM11318C.GIF
spy satellite that’s going retrograde-polar might offer as good as 0.1
m/pixel once a sufficient number of scans are performed.
http://beautifulplacestovisit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Mount_Roraima_Venezuela1.jpg
http://www.zadan.nl/pics/mount/
http://interestingfactsblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/facts-about-mount-roraima-strangefacts.html
http://www.zadan.nl/pics/mount/
http://interestingfactsblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/facts-about-mount-roraima-strangefacts.html
Mount Roraima (mountain, South America) giant flat-topped mountain,
or mesa, in the Pakaraima Mountains of the Guiana Highlands , at the
point where the boundaries of Brazil, Venezuela, and Guyana meet
About 9 miles (14 km) long and 9,094 feet (2,772 metres) high, it is
the source of many rivers of Guyana, and of the Amazon and Orinoco
Mount Roraima is a pretty remarkable place. It is a tabletop mountain
with sheer 400-metre high cliffs on all sides.
The average height of the plateau is about 2,500 metres (8,200 feet),
making it the highest point for distance of 549.44 kilometres (341.48
miles) in any direction.
Venus:
http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/eistlaregio.jpg
or mesa, in the Pakaraima Mountains of the Guiana Highlands , at the
point where the boundaries of Brazil, Venezuela, and Guyana meet
About 9 miles (14 km) long and 9,094 feet (2,772 metres) high, it is
the source of many rivers of Guyana, and of the Amazon and Orinoco
Mount Roraima is a pretty remarkable place. It is a tabletop mountain
with sheer 400-metre high cliffs on all sides.
The average height of the plateau is about 2,500 metres (8,200 feet),
making it the highest point for distance of 549.44 kilometres (341.48
miles) in any direction.
Venus:
http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/eistlaregio.jpg
Perhaps yourself and others of any deductive image interpreting
expertise can add a little something of their very own talent to this
growing list of contributing to what an actively thriving community of
an intelligent mining operation should look like, as imaged from the
perspective of an advanced spy satellite, keeping in mind that the
scale of such items on any given dimension has to be worth at least 75
meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so
for the most part we’re not trying to interpret anything that’s
smaller than 225 meters per geometric dimension.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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perspective of an advanced spy satellite, keeping in mind that the
scale of such items on any given dimension has to be worth at least 75
meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so
for the most part we’re not trying to interpret anything that’s
smaller than 225 meters per geometric dimension.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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Apr 8, 2012, 8:18:41 PM4/8/12
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Even the use of Venus L2 is forbidden. Go figure.
Warhol
Apr 8, 2012, 8:47:35 PM4/8/12
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Venus is dancing... The rebirth of Gaia...and she now is in that process...
Happy easter everyone! Here's some video of the sun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVQW3mv7rIQ
Op 9-4-2012 2:18, Brad Guth schreef:
Happy easter everyone! Here's some video of the sun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVQW3mv7rIQ
Op 9-4-2012 2:18, Brad Guth schreef:
Brad Guth
Apr 8, 2012, 9:22:29 PM4/8/12
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On Apr 8, 5:47 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Venus is dancing... The rebirth of Gaia...and she now is in that process...
>
> Happy easter everyone! Here's some video of the sun:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVQW3mv7rIQ
>
Good grief, here we go again.
> Venus is dancing... The rebirth of Gaia...and she now is in that process...
>
> Happy easter everyone! Here's some video of the sun:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVQW3mv7rIQ
>
How do you Moors even know that Venus is a planet and not some special
kind of balloon?
You can't even interpret a very good image of the Venus surface. What
the hell gives with that?
Brad Guth
Apr 9, 2012, 2:01:52 PM4/9/12
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On Apr 8, 5:47 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Venus is dancing... The rebirth of Gaia...and she now is in that process...
>
> Happy easter everyone! Here's some video of the sun:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVQW3mv7rIQ
>
> Op 9-4-2012 2:18, Brad Guth schreef:
>
Good freaking grief, here we get to go again. How do you crazy Moors
>
> Happy easter everyone! Here's some video of the sun:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVQW3mv7rIQ
>
> Op 9-4-2012 2:18, Brad Guth schreef:
>
that pretend at being all faith-based and proper, even know that Venus
is a planet, and not some special kind of balloon?
You and others of your very special faith-based kind can't even
interpret an extremely good quality radar obtained image of the Venus
surface. What the hell gives with that?
Perhaps yourself and others of any deductive image interpreting
expertise can add a little something from their very own
Brad Guth
Apr 10, 2012, 10:11:52 AM4/10/12
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In many ways, Venus is better than Earth. At least it's better for
intelligent folks that know a really good thing when they see it.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
intelligent folks that know a really good thing when they see it.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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Apr 11, 2012, 10:45:54 PM4/11/12
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In spite of the mainstream gauntlet that’ll automatically by default
oppose anything that’s new or improved, perhaps yourself and others of
any deductive image interpreting expertise can try to add a little
intelligent mining operation should look like, as if imaged from the
oppose anything that’s new or improved, perhaps yourself and others of
any deductive image interpreting expertise can try to add a little
something from their very own observationology talent to this growing
list, of contributing to what an actively thriving community of an
intelligent mining operation should look like, as if imaged from the
perspective of an advanced spy satellite, keeping in mind that the
scale of such items on any given dimension has to be worth at least 75
meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so
for the most part we’re not trying to interpret anything that’s
smaller than 225 meters per geometric dimension.
scale of such items on any given dimension has to be worth at least 75
meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so
for the most part we’re not trying to interpret anything that’s
smaller than 225 meters per geometric dimension.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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HVAC
Apr 12, 2012, 6:22:42 AM4/12/12
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On 4/11/2012 10:45 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> In spite of the mainstream gauntlet that’ll automatically by default
> oppose anything that’s new or improved
Who cares?
> In spite of the mainstream gauntlet that’ll automatically by default
> oppose anything that’s new or improved
Brad Guth
Apr 14, 2012, 11:56:23 AM4/14/12
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I've never stipulated "proof positive" about intelligent other life
existing/coexisting on Venus, although at least thus far we have
nothing of any known forms of natural geology that seems to fit the
whole picture or community of what "Guth Venus" seems to represent, as
offering by far the most interesting and complex collection of
geometrical shapes that seem as though arranged in the most community
and intelligent infrastructure like rational plan, as situated in a
very mountainous terrain none the less.
Planets, moons, asteroids and meteors have their metals, because
that’s what makes for their crust, and all of those nifty kinds of
rocks and their otherwise solidified composition of complex elements,
instead of their being icy, fluids or gaseous.
The extremely tall Mars monolith should be another good example of a
protruding rock of somewhat unusual formation or perhaps conceivable
as an artificial placement.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47024373/ns/technology_and_science-science/
The Phobos monolith offers a similar item that’s quite unusual:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_monolith
The vast majority of terrestrial monoliths, especially those of any
significantly rectangular or geometric odd form, have been
intentionally created and placed, whereas few if any natural monoliths
are uniform enough to qualify as being so well shaped as rectangulars
and protruding quite as perpendicular as those identified on Mars and
Phobos. Most of our terrestrial monoliths are not isolated, whereas
instead there’s a nearby collection of natural formations with similar
monolithic configurations to pick from. Of course, visual imaging
isn’t nearly as reliable or image pixel truth-worthy as radar imaging,
and the low solar angle of below 45 degrees can become a distraction
or illusion that can fool the best human interpretation (although
shadows are also very telling).
Mainstream conditional physics:
Remember that our resident FUD-master (Hagar) and his fellow redneck
ZNRs are supposedly qualified image interpreters, as having picked out
all sorts of those Muslim WMD from our best spy camera imaging that
offered at least ten fold better resolution than anything obtained of
Mars or Phobos. So, perhaps this is clearly another subjective
science of deductive observationology that our Hagar still isn’t any
better qualified. Never the less, Hagar accepts such images of Mars
as being of perfectly good mainstream science, and at the very same
time rejects all forms of interpreting those radar obtained images of
Venus being anything except natural hot rocks that just so happen to
look as a community of complex structures and infrastructure should.
http://www.enchantedrockstatenaturalarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rocks.jpg
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000uVz6oS8x0Y4/s/750/750/UTCR-067.jpg
http://davidinglima2.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/turret_arch.jpg
http://www.pictures1.temehu.com/p1/Acacus-natural-arch-Forzhaga.jpg
http://www.metrolic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Arches-National-Park.jpg
Square or rectangular need not be the only monoliths:
http://costaricaspecialdealsonline.blogspot.com/2011/05/costa-rica-stone-spheres-addition-to.html
What’s entirely missing from those monoliths of Mars and Phobos is
any surrounding or community like infrastructure, or rational
logistics pertaining to any base-camp of mining or extracting
whatever.
In spite of the mainstream gauntlet that’ll automatically by default
and obfuscation will always oppose anything that’s new or improved,
existing/coexisting on Venus, although at least thus far we have
nothing of any known forms of natural geology that seems to fit the
whole picture or community of what "Guth Venus" seems to represent, as
offering by far the most interesting and complex collection of
geometrical shapes that seem as though arranged in the most community
and intelligent infrastructure like rational plan, as situated in a
very mountainous terrain none the less.
Planets, moons, asteroids and meteors have their metals, because
that’s what makes for their crust, and all of those nifty kinds of
rocks and their otherwise solidified composition of complex elements,
instead of their being icy, fluids or gaseous.
The extremely tall Mars monolith should be another good example of a
protruding rock of somewhat unusual formation or perhaps conceivable
as an artificial placement.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47024373/ns/technology_and_science-science/
The Phobos monolith offers a similar item that’s quite unusual:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_monolith
The vast majority of terrestrial monoliths, especially those of any
significantly rectangular or geometric odd form, have been
intentionally created and placed, whereas few if any natural monoliths
are uniform enough to qualify as being so well shaped as rectangulars
and protruding quite as perpendicular as those identified on Mars and
Phobos. Most of our terrestrial monoliths are not isolated, whereas
instead there’s a nearby collection of natural formations with similar
monolithic configurations to pick from. Of course, visual imaging
isn’t nearly as reliable or image pixel truth-worthy as radar imaging,
and the low solar angle of below 45 degrees can become a distraction
or illusion that can fool the best human interpretation (although
shadows are also very telling).
Mainstream conditional physics:
Remember that our resident FUD-master (Hagar) and his fellow redneck
ZNRs are supposedly qualified image interpreters, as having picked out
all sorts of those Muslim WMD from our best spy camera imaging that
offered at least ten fold better resolution than anything obtained of
Mars or Phobos. So, perhaps this is clearly another subjective
science of deductive observationology that our Hagar still isn’t any
better qualified. Never the less, Hagar accepts such images of Mars
as being of perfectly good mainstream science, and at the very same
time rejects all forms of interpreting those radar obtained images of
Venus being anything except natural hot rocks that just so happen to
look as a community of complex structures and infrastructure should.
http://www.enchantedrockstatenaturalarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rocks.jpg
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000uVz6oS8x0Y4/s/750/750/UTCR-067.jpg
http://davidinglima2.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/turret_arch.jpg
http://www.pictures1.temehu.com/p1/Acacus-natural-arch-Forzhaga.jpg
http://www.metrolic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Arches-National-Park.jpg
Square or rectangular need not be the only monoliths:
http://costaricaspecialdealsonline.blogspot.com/2011/05/costa-rica-stone-spheres-addition-to.html
What’s entirely missing from those monoliths of Mars and Phobos is
any surrounding or community like infrastructure, or rational
logistics pertaining to any base-camp of mining or extracting
whatever.
In spite of the mainstream gauntlet that’ll automatically by default
Brad Guth
Apr 14, 2012, 2:27:16 PM4/14/12
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Unlike my LLPOF peers of mainstream obfuscation and always denial of
their being in denial, that always insist upon putting us
investigative outsiders in the crazy box or loony bin along with an
added NO FLY qualification, it seems that I've never stipulated "proof
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_crb_doug.htm
“In the modern stone-art known as lapidary, it is very difficult to
make a perfect sphere that is 2 feet wide. To manufacture spheres out
of a hard substance that is 6, 7 or 8 feet in diameter...is building
on a scale above what we can accomplish today. For the ancients, it
was child's play.”
These round monoliths are indeed quite unusual because nature simply
can not create them, and otherwise their quarry site was only 50+
miles away, though any human tooling or work sits have not yet been
identified. None the less, from any satellite perspective of imaging,
these near perfectly round monoliths would clearly stand out, as being
unnatural and thus a clear sign of intelligent life (at least smarter
than Hager because he simply couldn’t create any stone monolith sphere
if his pathetic redneck life depended on it)
What’s entirely missing from those very rectangular monoliths of Mars
and Phobos is any surrounding or community like infrastructure, much
less any quarry site or rational logistics pertaining as to any base-
camp of mining or extracting whatever. In other words, those are
clearly unique stand-alone items that should be natural, even though
highly unusual and even unprecedented when none others can be found
for any deductive comparison or subjective analogy.
their being in denial, that always insist upon putting us
investigative outsiders in the crazy box or loony bin along with an
added NO FLY qualification, it seems that I've never stipulated "proof
positive" about intelligent other life existing/coexisting on Venus,
although at least thus far we have nothing of any known forms of
natural geology that seems to fit the whole picture or community of
what "Guth Venus" seems to represent, as offering by far the most
interesting and complex collection of large scale geometrical shapes
although at least thus far we have nothing of any known forms of
natural geology that seems to fit the whole picture or community of
what "Guth Venus" seems to represent, as offering by far the most
“In the modern stone-art known as lapidary, it is very difficult to
make a perfect sphere that is 2 feet wide. To manufacture spheres out
of a hard substance that is 6, 7 or 8 feet in diameter...is building
on a scale above what we can accomplish today. For the ancients, it
was child's play.”
These round monoliths are indeed quite unusual because nature simply
can not create them, and otherwise their quarry site was only 50+
miles away, though any human tooling or work sits have not yet been
identified. None the less, from any satellite perspective of imaging,
these near perfectly round monoliths would clearly stand out, as being
unnatural and thus a clear sign of intelligent life (at least smarter
than Hager because he simply couldn’t create any stone monolith sphere
if his pathetic redneck life depended on it)
What’s entirely missing from those very rectangular monoliths of Mars
and Phobos is any surrounding or community like infrastructure, much
less any quarry site or rational logistics pertaining as to any base-
camp of mining or extracting whatever. In other words, those are
clearly unique stand-alone items that should be natural, even though
highly unusual and even unprecedented when none others can be found
for any deductive comparison or subjective analogy.
HVAC
Apr 14, 2012, 3:32:31 PM4/14/12
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On 4/14/2012 2:27 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> Unlike my LLPOF peers of mainstream obfuscation and always denial of
> their being in denial, that always insist upon putting us
> investigative outsiders in the crazy box or loony bin along with an
> added NO FLY qualification, it seems that I've never stipulated "proof
> positive" about intelligent other life existing/coexisting on Venus,
> although at least thus far we have nothing of any known forms of
> natural geology that seems to fit the whole picture or community of
> what "Guth Venus" seems to represent
Looks like the meds are REALLY kicking in.
> Unlike my LLPOF peers of mainstream obfuscation and always denial of
> their being in denial, that always insist upon putting us
> investigative outsiders in the crazy box or loony bin along with an
> added NO FLY qualification, it seems that I've never stipulated "proof
> positive" about intelligent other life existing/coexisting on Venus,
> although at least thus far we have nothing of any known forms of
> natural geology that seems to fit the whole picture or community of
> what "Guth Venus" seems to represent
You GO Guth. THIS is what we've come to expect from you.
Hägar
Apr 14, 2012, 5:22:48 PM4/14/12
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news:e12feac6-c74b-4967...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
LLPOF .... bwahahahahahahhh
ROTFLMAO !!!
I knew you were a third grade reject ... I think the kid in
Two and a Half Men was modeled after you, you mental
midget.
Venus will NEVER be visited, much less settled by humans.
Unlike my LLPOF peers of mainstream obfuscation and always denial
< snip snivel drivel >
LLPOF .... bwahahahahahahhh
ROTFLMAO !!!
I knew you were a third grade reject ... I think the kid in
Two and a Half Men was modeled after you, you mental
midget.
Venus will NEVER be visited, much less settled by humans.
Brad Guth
Apr 15, 2012, 12:37:32 AM4/15/12
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On Apr 14, 2:22 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
You silly FUD-masters and ZNRs of the GOP redneck kind are always so
funny, and pathetic at the same time.
So once again, you have no expertise or other talent as to
contributing on behalf of this or any other topic that isn't
mainstream status quo certified.
Perhaps taking any of your stuff out of context is somewhat like
trying to recycle used toilet paper, not that your two-holer even has
TP.
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
funny, and pathetic at the same time.
So once again, you have no expertise or other talent as to
contributing on behalf of this or any other topic that isn't
mainstream status quo certified.
Perhaps taking any of your stuff out of context is somewhat like
trying to recycle used toilet paper, not that your two-holer even has
TP.
Brad Guth
Apr 17, 2012, 9:17:11 AM4/17/12
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Taking all sorts of new and old satellite imaging into account,
including those of Earth, our moon, other planets and a number of
their moons, by rights should give us some raw basis of
observationology for deductively interpreting such other places, such
as what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer. Though how
can the natural formation and geology with its cooling, tectonics and
including those of Earth, our moon, other planets and a number of
their moons, by rights should give us some raw basis of
observationology for deductively interpreting such other places, such
as what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer. Though how
erosion of any other planet or moon become so entirely different from
that of our planet and moon?
Of course most K12s and higher educated have become incapable of
constructively interpreting anything outside of personal pleasures,
much less care about the greater good unless that leads to and/or
improves those pleasures that primarily benefit themselves. Most (the
vast 99.9% majority) are simply incapable of even finding public
topics within Google Groups or via whatever Usenet/newsgroups, perhaps
because this public medium of mostly text is not loaded down with
excessive commercial media hype and eyecandy plus the sharing of HDTV
video-infomercials plus video-sexting that only function sufficiently
within the latest and most spendy of ISPs or intranet bandwidth that’s
configured extensively for accommodating such interactive audio and
video pleasures, and otherwise of those media providers that are
otherwise not getting moderated to the point of excluding whatever
private contributions of topics and replies might have to offer, are
simply too few and far between.
So, in spite of all the usual mainstream obfuscation and their
expected denial of being in denial, what should the natural raw
terrain and its erosion formed geology of whatever 3D plan-view site
that of our planet and moon?
Of course most K12s and higher educated have become incapable of
constructively interpreting anything outside of personal pleasures,
much less care about the greater good unless that leads to and/or
improves those pleasures that primarily benefit themselves. Most (the
vast 99.9% majority) are simply incapable of even finding public
topics within Google Groups or via whatever Usenet/newsgroups, perhaps
because this public medium of mostly text is not loaded down with
excessive commercial media hype and eyecandy plus the sharing of HDTV
video-infomercials plus video-sexting that only function sufficiently
within the latest and most spendy of ISPs or intranet bandwidth that’s
configured extensively for accommodating such interactive audio and
video pleasures, and otherwise of those media providers that are
otherwise not getting moderated to the point of excluding whatever
private contributions of topics and replies might have to offer, are
simply too few and far between.
So, in spite of all the usual mainstream obfuscation and their
expected denial of being in denial, what should the natural raw
of any significant off-world logistics on behalf of depicting a large
scale mining operation look like from the air, or even better yet from
that perspective of a spendy spy satellite using SAR (Synthetic
Aperture Radar) imaging that’s peering downward at 43 degrees, as for
compiling a derivative composite image from 36 confirming scans per
pixel, and subsequently should this image tend to look like anything
the least bit unusual?
For such a pressure-cooker environment, shouldn’t there be any number
the least bit unusual?
of large scale structures, possibly including a nearby airstrip or
some sort of relatively flat surface for shuttles or even for
accommodating extremely large industrial airships to utilize?
If there’s any nearby deeply eroded or lava-flow created ravine or
some sort of relatively flat surface for shuttles or even for
accommodating extremely large industrial airships to utilize?
If there’s any nearby deeply eroded or lava-flow created ravine or
otherwise naturally formed canyon, shouldn’t that sort of vertically
offset terrain be logical as to our radar imaging capability detecting
some kind of bridge, if such existed?
offset terrain be logical as to our radar imaging capability detecting
some kind of bridge, if such existed?
For their local construction purposes, shouldn’t there logically be a
nearby geometric reformed or modified area of a bedrock quarry site,
or two or three?
If having an atmospheric density worth 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy and only
90.5% gravity was the norm; what might a suitably commercial or
industrial class of large airship look like?
How and/or where upon such a toasty planet would that sort of large
airship be parked or safely stored until use? (in other words, what
sort of local infrastructure would be necessary for accommodating such
an industrial mining ore/cargo hauling airships?)
If having an atmospheric density worth 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy and only
90.5% gravity was the norm; what might a suitably commercial or
industrial class of large airship look like?
How and/or where upon such a toasty planet would that sort of large
airship be parked or safely stored until use? (in other words, what
sort of local infrastructure would be necessary for accommodating such
If the planet were geologically active and obviously science
crazy; shouldn’t there be a few natural and possibly artificial
reservoirs of local fluids that by rights of physics shouldn’t boil
off?
off?
If this were to be an actual ET or indigenous mining operation;
wouldn’t the assortment and arrangement of such infrastructure have to
further suggest a rational community like layout or city/town like
configuration?
If this were all situated within a highly mountainous terrain;
wouldn’t this community of large geometric structures and their
infrastructure need to look very much out of place from the otherwise
wouldn’t the assortment and arrangement of such infrastructure have to
further suggest a rational community like layout or city/town like
configuration?
If this were all situated within a highly mountainous terrain;
wouldn’t this community of large geometric structures and their
random geology happenstance of nature, or at the very least interpret
as way out of ordinary from anything mother or father nature could
have accomplished?
If the local terrain indicated by all sorts of science as having been
geologically active, and if there were multiple signs of substantial
ongoing heavy and/or dense gas/vapor venting of any sort of hot and
potential metallicity content; as such shouldn’t a pattern of that
vented outflow also be detected by the same SAR/SIR-C imaging methods?
ongoing heavy and/or dense gas/vapor venting of any sort of hot and
potential metallicity content; as such shouldn’t a pattern of that
I’m certain if we start exploiting the full metallicity worth of our
moon, that when such efforts are viewed even from Earth, amateur
astronomers will be capable of imaging with sufficient resolution and
with colors/hues plus more than adequate dynamic range of contrast, as
to seeing our surface structures and identify their rational community
like infrastructure. Of course, surface mining the naked moon would
be a very difficult and risky consideration (unless it were mostly
accomplished via TBMs operating entirely inside the mostly
paramagnetic basalt crust of the moon), than doing Venus that’s most
astronomers will be capable of imaging with sufficient resolution and
with colors/hues plus more than adequate dynamic range of contrast, as
to seeing our surface structures and identify their rational community
like infrastructure. Of course, surface mining the naked moon would
be a very difficult and risky consideration (unless it were mostly
accomplished via TBMs operating entirely inside the mostly
likely considerably hotter inside than on the surface.
Perhaps yourself and others of any deductive image interpreting
expertise can add a little something from their very own
observationology talent to this growing list, of contributing to what
an actively thriving community of an intelligent mining operation
should look like, as imaged from the perspective of an advanced spy
an actively thriving community of an intelligent mining operation
satellite, keeping in mind that the scale of such items on any given
dimension has to be worth at least 75 meters/pixel or preferably
larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so for the most part we’re not
trying to interpret anything that’s smaller than 225 meters per
geometric dimension.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
dimension has to be worth at least 75 meters/pixel or preferably
larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so for the most part we’re not
trying to interpret anything that’s smaller than 225 meters per
geometric dimension.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
Apr 19, 2012, 1:17:43 PM4/19/12
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On Mar 24, 4:39 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What should the natural terrain and whatever 3D plan-view site of any
> significant off-world logistics on behalf of depicting a large scale
> mining operation look like from the air, or better yet from that
> perspective of a spendy spy satellite using SAR (Synthetic Aperture
> Radar) imaging, that’s peering downward at 43 degrees and compiling a
> derivative composite image from 36 confirming scans per pixel, tend to
> look like?
>
> Shouldn’t there be any number of large scale structures, possibly
> derivative composite image from 36 confirming scans per pixel, tend to
> look like?
>
> including a nearby airstrip or some sort of relatively flat surface
> for shuttles or even for accommodating extremely large industrial
> airships to utilize?
>
> If there’s any nearby deeply eroded or lava-flow created ravine or
> for shuttles or even for accommodating extremely large industrial
> airships to utilize?
>
> If there’s any nearby deeply eroded or lava-flow created ravine or
> natural formed canyon, shouldn’t that sort of vertically offset
> terrain be logical as to our detecting some kind of bridge?
>
> terrain be logical as to our detecting some kind of bridge?
>
> For their local construction purposes, shouldn’t there logically be a
> nearby geometric reformed area of a bedrock quarry site, or two or
> three?
>
> If having an atmospheric density worth 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy and only
> 90.5% gravity was the norm; what might a suitably commercial or
> industrial class of large airship look like?
>
> How and/or where upon such a toasty planet would that sort of large
> airship be parked or safely stored until use? (in other words, what
> sort of local infrastructure would be necessary for accommodating such
> an industrial mining ore/cargo hauling airship?)
>
> If having an atmospheric density worth 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy and only
> 90.5% gravity was the norm; what might a suitably commercial or
> industrial class of large airship look like?
>
> How and/or where upon such a toasty planet would that sort of large
> airship be parked or safely stored until use? (in other words, what
> sort of local infrastructure would be necessary for accommodating such
>
> If the planet were geologically active and obviously science
> quantified as venting new atmospheric elements like crazy; shouldn’t
> If the planet were geologically active and obviously science
> there be a few natural and possibly artificial reservoirs of fluids?
>
> If this were to be an actual ET or indigenous mining operation;
> wouldn’t the assortment and arrangement of such infrastructure have to
> further suggest a rational community like layout or city/town like
> configuration?
>
> If this were all situated within a highly mountainous terrain;
> wouldn’t this community of large geometric structures and their
> infrastructure need to look very much out of place from the random
> If this were to be an actual ET or indigenous mining operation;
> wouldn’t the assortment and arrangement of such infrastructure have to
> further suggest a rational community like layout or city/town like
> configuration?
>
> If this were all situated within a highly mountainous terrain;
> wouldn’t this community of large geometric structures and their
> geology happenstance of nature, or at the very least way out of
> ordinary from anything mother or father nature could have
> accomplished?
>
> If the local terrain indicated as having been geologically active, and
> accomplished?
>
> if there were multiple signs of substantial ongoing heavy and/or dense
> gas/vapor venting of any sort of hot and potential metallicity
> content; as such shouldn’t a pattern of that vented outflow also be
> detected by the same SAR imaging methods?
> gas/vapor venting of any sort of hot and potential metallicity
> content; as such shouldn’t a pattern of that vented outflow also be
>
> I’m certain if we start exploiting the full metallicity worth of our
> moon, that when viewed from Earth, amateur astronomers will be capable
> I’m certain if we start exploiting the full metallicity worth of our
> of imaging sufficient resolution to see our surface structures and
> identify their rational community like infrastructure. Of course,
> mining the naked moon would be a very difficult and risky
> consideration (unless mostly accomplished via TBMs operating entirely
> inside of the moon), than doing Venus that’s probably considerably
> hotter inside than on the surface.
>
>
> Perhaps yourself and others can add a little something else to this
> list of what an actively thriving community of an intelligent mining
> operation should look like from an advanced spy satellite perspective,
> keeping in mind that the scale of such items has to be worth at least
> 75 meters/pixel or larger in order to count.
>
> list of what an actively thriving community of an intelligent mining
> operation should look like from an advanced spy satellite perspective,
> keeping in mind that the scale of such items has to be worth at least
> 75 meters/pixel or larger in order to count.
>
> Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
> Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
> “Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
> Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
> question:
> https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
> https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
> http://groups.google.com/groups/search
> http://translate.google.com/#
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Venus has more helium than it knows what to do with, and our planet is
> https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
> https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
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clearly running out, not to mention the ongoing extractions of
hydrocarbon isn't without risk and spendy consequences (including
wars).
So here’s the latest ongoing kicker, in that only a few others
(including myself) would dare to suggest otherwise against this
mainstream status quo, by having suggested that our planet has
actually been losing mass considerably faster than whatever solar
system and cosmic influx could possibly contribute. Obviously the
oligarchs of Big Energy and in charge of most credit for public
financing, as such don’t seem to appreciate this deductive
interpretation of our planet losing mass. Sorry about that.
Do these mainstream oligarchs and wise old Semites in charge of most
everything know what they’re doing to us and our global environment;
you can safely bet your bottom dollar they do understand those highly
profitable benefits and they understand those subsequent consequences
that the rest of us get to deal with, and always having to pay for no
matters how many generations it takes. Is this a fare deal that we
can afford to live with?
No doubt the innards of Earth has a lot more ongoing fission (perhaps
mostly via thorium), and thus we’ve got enough thorium, uranium and
radium offering more fission and decay produced heat plus helium than
most of us might care to accept, because it actually takes quite a bit
of 4He in order to sustain the 5.24 ppm of common atmospheric
concentration. Not so oddly, the very active geology of Venus is also
keeping up with replenishing those same continual solar wind extracted
elements, and yet it’s also cooling itself off at the same time, while
sustaining 12 ppm helium within its impressive 4.85e20 kg of a mostly
CO2 atmosphere that’s offering 66 kg/m3 near surface buoyancy, is by
itself rather impressive for such a toasty planet with a gravity of
only 90.4% and offering loads of local geothermal differentials to
work with, but having no actual protective geomagnetosphere other than
solar wind generated is why that solar wind keeps taking atmospheric
mass away from Venus as it cools off and having to maintain those 12
ppm of 4He.
http://syzygyastro.hubpages.com/hub/Understanding-Magnetism
The best interpretation of Venus lacking a geomagnetosphere is that
its iron core is simply too fluid, as perhaps hosting a lot more
thorium and uranium fission and/or it’s simply not as old as we
think. Either way that’s a darn good thing if one was seriously out
and about looking for the most accessible off-world resources (other
than our moon) to exploit for our needs, whereas at least a couple of
such needs are going to become those nifty elements of 4He and 3He as
our terrestrial cache slides well past peak-helium in the near
future. Of course at less than $6/m3 for the spot market of bulk
Grade-A(99.95% 4He) version isn’t all that spendy until the usual
distribution repackaging with its nominal 2000% (twenty fold) retail
markup gets us to pay $120/m3 (w/disposable tank), and otherwise we’re
talking of forking out only $1M/m3 for that of pure 3He is already
pushing the upper most market price so that only the rich and powerful
get access, and of course the rest of us are the ones that’ll always
get to pay for whatever these oligarchs care to spend our hard earned
loot on, because they’ll never have to spend, invest or otherwise risk
any of their unearned own loot.
Besides our naked moon hosting more than its fair share of 3He (no
doubt offering some internal radioactive decay derived 4He), Venus
should represent a true mother lode of 4He in addition to a treasure
trove of many other valuable elements. This off-world cache of helium
may be spendy as hell to obtain, but so will terrestrial helium become
a whole lot more spendy as the dregs of hydrocarbons and internal
radioactive decay source isn’t capable of supplying 0.1% of our needs,
could be highly problematic.
Brad Guth
Apr 19, 2012, 1:36:55 PM4/19/12
to
Venus has more helium than it knows what to do with, and our planet is
clearly about to run out, not to mention the ongoing extractions of
hydrocarbon isn't without risk and spendy consequences (including
wars). Unfortunately, it’s the job of our public media army of brown-
nosed clowns and FUD-masters to make this independent investigative
research all go away, and they do this by topic/author stalking and
discrediting anyone that has any possibly disagreement or alternative
science interpretation with the mainstream status quo.
Guess what: NASA is now a pathetic fraction of what it could have
been, and those oligarch Rothschilds seem to like it that way, because
the last thing they want to see is private enterprise going after the
exploitation of off-world resources before every last drop and cubic
meter of their terrestrial resources are pillaged and plundered for
the highest price and drop of blood they can squeeze out of us.
Our DARPA Zionist Nazi oligarchs and their Rothschild bankers always
think everything is going perfectly fine and dandy, so there’s no need
for any change or revisions, and it seems we never get to elect or
appoint any of them, perhaps because their incest bloodline of wealth
and authority is always above anyone we might otherwise care to elect
or appoint anyway. So why should they risk being voted out of office?
any spare helium to blow, those polar ozone holes should subside, thus
closing up and better protecting us from our sun.
Brad Guth
Apr 21, 2012, 1:37:50 PM4/21/12
to
Unlike my LLPOF peers of mainstream obfuscation and denial of their
being in denial, that always insist upon putting us independent
investigative outsiders in the crazy-box or loony-bin along with an
picture or plan-view of what "Guth Venus" seems to represent, as
none the less.
Planets, moons, asteroids and meteors have their metals (aka
metallicity), because that’s what makes for their crust, and all of
fluids or gaseous. The only thing substantially fluid about planets
like Earth and Venus are the innards, that are stoked with a
substantial amount of extremely hot thorium and uranium.
The extremely tall Mars monolith should be another good example of a
protruding rock of a somewhat unusual formation or perhaps conceivable
The Phobos monolith offers another similar item that’s quite
unusual:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_monolith
The vast majority of known terrestrial monoliths, especially those of
any significantly rectangular or geometric oddly unnatural form, have
been those intentionally created and placed, whereas few if any
from).
Mainstream conditional physics:
Remember that our resident FUD-master (Hagar) and his fellow redneck
ZNRs are supposedly qualified image interpreters, as having picked out
all sorts of those Muslim WMD from our best spy camera imaging that
offered at least ten fold better resolution than anything obtained of
Mars or Phobos. So, perhaps this is clearly another subjective
science of deductive observationology that our Hagar still isn’t any
better qualified. Never the less, Hagar accepts such images of Mars
as being of perfectly good mainstream science, and at the very same
time rejects all forms of interpreting those radar obtained images of
Venus being anything except natural hot rocks that just so happen to
look as a community of complex structures and infrastructure should.
http://www.enchantedrockstatenaturalarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rocks.jpg
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000uVz6oS8x0Y4/s/750/750/UTCR-067.jpg
http://davidinglima2.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/turret_arch.jpg
http://www.pictures1.temehu.com/p1/Acacus-natural-arch-Forzhaga.jpg
http://www.metrolic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Arches-National-Park.jpg
Square or rectangular need not be the only unexplained monoliths:
default and applied obfuscation, always oppose anything that’s new or
improved, can be further nullified or if need be circumvented, as
perhaps from yourself and others of any deductive image interpreting
expertise can at least try to add a little something from their very
intelligent mining operation should look like, as if imaged from the
deductive interpretations could be reveling as to whatever else is
there.
For those of us that are observationology dysfunctionals, here’s a not
so little size perspective: At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium /
Louisiana Superdome (plus part of its surrounding real estate
footprint) would fit within each cup of that enormous clover shaped
reservoir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
imaging as artificial, whereas some of those other terrestrial
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be interpreted as
somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and the usual
geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something hugely
geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous terrain and
within the path of a river or as typically blocking a canyon/gorge, as
well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon or
gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
Just for a friendly game of amusing yourself and others being a good
investigative sport, this ongoing investigative effort is simply
intended to share and see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything the least bit unusual within the following image
that doesn’t quite look as though the natural laws of physics and
geology was entirely responsible. (try to remember that the original
image is that of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or
scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so its
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re stumped or
dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a bunch
of 5th graders, as a class science project.
Besides whatever perfectly natural fluid reservoiring, what the hell
(literally scorching hot as hell) is that extremely large clover
shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of
obvious, and then what about that other somewhat smaller one that’s
seemingly connected and clearly containing something fluid, not to
mention more than a few other oddly geometric considerations that look
as though quite artificial, as though some level of intelligence had
created them).
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
have its fair share of surface fluids, or at least geothermal boosted/
extruded muds or dense mineral and/or those acidic brines to contend
with, as well as hydrocarbons shouldn’t be impossible once we
reconsider what the Saturn moon Titan has to work with.
Even as offering a highly conservative reservoir interpretation, it
still seems rather enormous but otherwise kind of perfectly natural,
including that other somewhat conventional reservoir above that’s
containing something fluid and seems connected. However, as far as
anyone knows, there’s not one other terrestrial example or that
obtained from any other planet or moon as offering anything nearly as
complex while situated in such a geologically mountainous terrain and
erosion plus looking as so downright impressive, so what the hell
gives?
At this point of my ongoing observationology (11+ years of deductive
image interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover
shaped reservoir represents a mostly natural though extremely large
geological formation, and just because something like this highly
complex reservoir is truly big doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, and
just because the exact same image resampling process was applied
equally to each and every other available pixel which didn’t manage to
convert any of those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial
looking items, doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to
interpret as geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as
though intelligently symmetrical, are not actually there to behold,
because nature isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or
complex looking geometries, and especially whenever there’s a logical
community like infrastructure pattern involved.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
being in denial, that always insist upon putting us independent
investigative outsiders in the crazy-box or loony-bin along with an
added NO FLY qualification, it seems that I've never stipulated "proof
positive" about intelligent other life existing/coexisting on Venus,
although at least thus far we have nothing of any known forms of
natural geology or planetology that seems to fit the whole complex
positive" about intelligent other life existing/coexisting on Venus,
although at least thus far we have nothing of any known forms of
picture or plan-view of what "Guth Venus" seems to represent, as
offering by far the most interesting and complex collection of large
scale geometrical shapes or weird natural formations that seem as
though arranged in the most community and intelligent infrastructure
like rational plan, as situated in a very mountainous terrain setting
none the less.
Planets, moons, asteroids and meteors have their metals (aka
metallicity), because that’s what makes for their crust, and all of
those nifty kinds of rocks and their otherwise solidified composition
of complex elements, instead of their being dominated as icy, of
fluids or gaseous. The only thing substantially fluid about planets
like Earth and Venus are the innards, that are stoked with a
substantial amount of extremely hot thorium and uranium.
The extremely tall Mars monolith should be another good example of a
The Phobos monolith offers another similar item that’s quite
unusual:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_monolith
The vast majority of known terrestrial monoliths, especially those of
any significantly rectangular or geometric oddly unnatural form, have
been those intentionally created and placed, whereas few if any
natural monoliths are uniform enough to qualify as being so well
shaped as rectangulars and protruding quite as perpendicular as those
identified on Mars and Phobos. Most of our terrestrial monoliths are
also not isolated, whereas instead there’s a nearby collection of
shaped as rectangulars and protruding quite as perpendicular as those
identified on Mars and Phobos. Most of our terrestrial monoliths are
natural formations with similar monolithic configurations to pick
from. Of course, visual imaging isn’t nearly as reliable or image
pixel truth-worthy as radar imaging, and the low solar angle of below
45 degrees can become another visual distraction or impose illusions
from. Of course, visual imaging isn’t nearly as reliable or image
pixel truth-worthy as radar imaging, and the low solar angle of below
that can fool the best human interpretation (although shadows are also
very telling if you know exactly where that illumination is coming
from).
Mainstream conditional physics:
Remember that our resident FUD-master (Hagar) and his fellow redneck
ZNRs are supposedly qualified image interpreters, as having picked out
all sorts of those Muslim WMD from our best spy camera imaging that
offered at least ten fold better resolution than anything obtained of
Mars or Phobos. So, perhaps this is clearly another subjective
science of deductive observationology that our Hagar still isn’t any
better qualified. Never the less, Hagar accepts such images of Mars
as being of perfectly good mainstream science, and at the very same
time rejects all forms of interpreting those radar obtained images of
Venus being anything except natural hot rocks that just so happen to
look as a community of complex structures and infrastructure should.
http://www.enchantedrockstatenaturalarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rocks.jpg
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000uVz6oS8x0Y4/s/750/750/UTCR-067.jpg
http://davidinglima2.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/turret_arch.jpg
http://www.pictures1.temehu.com/p1/Acacus-natural-arch-Forzhaga.jpg
http://www.metrolic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Arches-National-Park.jpg
http://costaricaspecialdealsonline.blogspot.com/2011/05/costa-rica-stone-spheres-addition-to.html
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_crb_doug.htm
“In the modern stone-art known as lapidary, it is very difficult to
make a perfect sphere that is 2 feet wide. To manufacture spheres out
of a hard substance that is 6, 7 or 8 feet in diameter...is building
on a scale above what we can accomplish today. For the ancients, it
was child's play.”
These round monoliths are indeed quite unusual because nature simply
can not create them, and otherwise their quarry site was only 50+
miles away, though any human tooling or work sits have not yet been
identified. None the less, from any satellite perspective of imaging,
these near perfectly round monoliths would clearly stand out, as being
unnatural and thus a clear sign of intelligent life (at least smarter
than Hager because he simply couldn’t create any stone monolith sphere
if his pathetic redneck life depended on it)
What’s entirely missing from those very rectangular monoliths of Mars
and Phobos is any surrounding or community like infrastructure, much
less any quarry site or rational logistics pertaining as to any base-
camp of mining or extracting whatever. In other words, those are
clearly unique stand-alone items that should be natural, even though
highly unusual and even unprecedented when none others can be found
for any deductive comparison or subjective analogy.
In spite of the usual mainstream gauntlet that’ll automatically by
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_crb_doug.htm
“In the modern stone-art known as lapidary, it is very difficult to
make a perfect sphere that is 2 feet wide. To manufacture spheres out
of a hard substance that is 6, 7 or 8 feet in diameter...is building
on a scale above what we can accomplish today. For the ancients, it
was child's play.”
These round monoliths are indeed quite unusual because nature simply
can not create them, and otherwise their quarry site was only 50+
miles away, though any human tooling or work sits have not yet been
identified. None the less, from any satellite perspective of imaging,
these near perfectly round monoliths would clearly stand out, as being
unnatural and thus a clear sign of intelligent life (at least smarter
than Hager because he simply couldn’t create any stone monolith sphere
if his pathetic redneck life depended on it)
What’s entirely missing from those very rectangular monoliths of Mars
and Phobos is any surrounding or community like infrastructure, much
less any quarry site or rational logistics pertaining as to any base-
camp of mining or extracting whatever. In other words, those are
clearly unique stand-alone items that should be natural, even though
highly unusual and even unprecedented when none others can be found
for any deductive comparison or subjective analogy.
default and applied obfuscation, always oppose anything that’s new or
improved, can be further nullified or if need be circumvented, as
perhaps from yourself and others of any deductive image interpreting
expertise can at least try to add a little something from their very
own observationology talent to this growing list, of contributing
their own interpretation to what an actively thriving community of an
intelligent mining operation should look like, as if imaged from the
perspective of an advanced spy satellite, keeping in mind that the
scale of such items on any given dimension has to be worth at least 75
meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so
for the most part we’re not trying to interpret anything that’s
smaller than 225 meters per geometric dimension, although some
scale of such items on any given dimension has to be worth at least 75
meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in order to count, so
for the most part we’re not trying to interpret anything that’s
deductive interpretations could be reveling as to whatever else is
there.
For those of us that are observationology dysfunctionals, here’s a not
so little size perspective: At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium /
Louisiana Superdome (plus part of its surrounding real estate
footprint) would fit within each cup of that enormous clover shaped
reservoir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
imaging as artificial, whereas some of those other terrestrial
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be interpreted as
somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and the usual
geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something hugely
geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous terrain and
within the path of a river or as typically blocking a canyon/gorge, as
well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon or
gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
Just for a friendly game of amusing yourself and others being a good
investigative sport, this ongoing investigative effort is simply
intended to share and see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything the least bit unusual within the following image
that doesn’t quite look as though the natural laws of physics and
geology was entirely responsible. (try to remember that the original
image is that of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or
scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so its
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re stumped or
dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a bunch
of 5th graders, as a class science project.
Besides whatever perfectly natural fluid reservoiring, what the hell
(literally scorching hot as hell) is that extremely large clover
shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of
obvious, and then what about that other somewhat smaller one that’s
seemingly connected and clearly containing something fluid, not to
mention more than a few other oddly geometric considerations that look
as though quite artificial, as though some level of intelligence had
created them).
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
have its fair share of surface fluids, or at least geothermal boosted/
extruded muds or dense mineral and/or those acidic brines to contend
with, as well as hydrocarbons shouldn’t be impossible once we
reconsider what the Saturn moon Titan has to work with.
Even as offering a highly conservative reservoir interpretation, it
still seems rather enormous but otherwise kind of perfectly natural,
including that other somewhat conventional reservoir above that’s
containing something fluid and seems connected. However, as far as
anyone knows, there’s not one other terrestrial example or that
obtained from any other planet or moon as offering anything nearly as
complex while situated in such a geologically mountainous terrain and
erosion plus looking as so downright impressive, so what the hell
gives?
At this point of my ongoing observationology (11+ years of deductive
image interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover
shaped reservoir represents a mostly natural though extremely large
geological formation, and just because something like this highly
complex reservoir is truly big doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, and
just because the exact same image resampling process was applied
equally to each and every other available pixel which didn’t manage to
convert any of those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial
looking items, doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to
interpret as geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as
though intelligently symmetrical, are not actually there to behold,
because nature isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or
complex looking geometries, and especially whenever there’s a logical
community like infrastructure pattern involved.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Brad Guth
Apr 22, 2012, 7:57:42 AM4/22/12
to
The wild west of Usenet/newsgroups and the more K12+ user-friendly
Google Groups version is entirely unlike the fancy mainstream
publications of “Astronomy” and “Discovery” which I do not always
agree with their editorials and contrived or agenda manipulated topics
by insiders and entertainment ghost writers, however, at least they’ve
been known to publish a wide range of other independent research
that’s new and improved as idea-worthy plus somewhat provoking against
the old mainstream status quo that’s often K12 textbook cemented in
place for as many generations as I can recall. Of course, they
wouldn’t dare publish any critical or disparaging words against our
DARPA, JPL, ASU or NASA, which they must continually worship without
question or remorse, nor much less independently fact-check, in order
to keep that profitable floodgate of public-funded science and
technology flow by publishing their infomercials plus loads of other
hype and eyecandy without reservations, thereby kept as an always open
door and essential source of their income.
So, even when more recent interpretations about our physically dark
and paramagnetic moon of terrific metallicity plus any reviews of what
the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer are worked into various
topics and replies that manage to get Usenet/newsgroup and/or Google
Groups published for all the world to see and interact with, whereas
instead of readers constructively sharing in ideas or in their own
version of interpreting the best available science, they instead get
themselves all weird into astro-raging and going postal extreme crazy
about anything that’s suggesting there’s anything the least bit
different than whatever their K12 years plus whatever faith had taught
or rather as having previously indoctrinated into them.
These folks or rather bullies of Usenet/newsgroup domination react as
a borg like Semitic collective of Rusemasters and FUD-masters that
topic/author stalk, but otherwise seldom bother with thinking for
themselves, and they’ll be damned if anyone else gets any fair shot at
contemplating or considering anything new or improved unless it’s over
their dead body. This is basically intellectual terrorism, as well as
intellectual treason if it were to be defined by most any civil court
of law, but then “freedom of speech” and their upper caste faith-based
diversity is always on their side.
Uplink.space.com was and is still operating as “bautforum.com” (aka
Discovery), is nothing but an open cesspool of insider mainstream
hype, spewing infomercials plus offering as much obfuscation via their
naysay and denial gauntlet against outsiders as they can muster, as
well as are most other mainstream forums and newsgroups that are each
at great risk of losing their K12 status, unless they too uphold the
mainstream status quo policy regardless of any consequences, as though
operating as a kind of mafia closed mindset of doing everything their
way, or else.
An old story of past research (though hardly all that original),
objectively proving that complex other life can indeed exist or at
least temporarily coexist at extreme pressures and temperatures:
Life As We Didn't Know It (NASA)
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast13apr_1/
Since this science report, there have been deeper explorations and
investigative research pertaining to higher temperatures and much
greater pressures that complex life has either evolved into or as
having adapted in order to make the best of it. Those geothermal
vapors of Venus can’t be any too goldilocks human friendly, unless
we’re properly outfit in order to protect ourselves. In other words,
any naked Goldilocks isn’t going survive, especially if she’s already
mainstream snookered and dumbfounded herself past the point of no
return.
Unlike my devoted LLPOF peers of mainstream obfuscation FUD-masters
and their usual denial of their being in denial, that always insist
These perfectly round monoliths are indeed quite unusual because as
far as anyone knows nature simply can not create them, and otherwise
any base-camp of mining or extracting whatever. In other words, those
Google Groups version is entirely unlike the fancy mainstream
publications of “Astronomy” and “Discovery” which I do not always
agree with their editorials and contrived or agenda manipulated topics
by insiders and entertainment ghost writers, however, at least they’ve
been known to publish a wide range of other independent research
that’s new and improved as idea-worthy plus somewhat provoking against
the old mainstream status quo that’s often K12 textbook cemented in
place for as many generations as I can recall. Of course, they
wouldn’t dare publish any critical or disparaging words against our
DARPA, JPL, ASU or NASA, which they must continually worship without
question or remorse, nor much less independently fact-check, in order
to keep that profitable floodgate of public-funded science and
technology flow by publishing their infomercials plus loads of other
hype and eyecandy without reservations, thereby kept as an always open
door and essential source of their income.
So, even when more recent interpretations about our physically dark
and paramagnetic moon of terrific metallicity plus any reviews of what
the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer are worked into various
topics and replies that manage to get Usenet/newsgroup and/or Google
Groups published for all the world to see and interact with, whereas
instead of readers constructively sharing in ideas or in their own
version of interpreting the best available science, they instead get
themselves all weird into astro-raging and going postal extreme crazy
about anything that’s suggesting there’s anything the least bit
different than whatever their K12 years plus whatever faith had taught
or rather as having previously indoctrinated into them.
These folks or rather bullies of Usenet/newsgroup domination react as
a borg like Semitic collective of Rusemasters and FUD-masters that
topic/author stalk, but otherwise seldom bother with thinking for
themselves, and they’ll be damned if anyone else gets any fair shot at
contemplating or considering anything new or improved unless it’s over
their dead body. This is basically intellectual terrorism, as well as
intellectual treason if it were to be defined by most any civil court
of law, but then “freedom of speech” and their upper caste faith-based
diversity is always on their side.
Uplink.space.com was and is still operating as “bautforum.com” (aka
Discovery), is nothing but an open cesspool of insider mainstream
hype, spewing infomercials plus offering as much obfuscation via their
naysay and denial gauntlet against outsiders as they can muster, as
well as are most other mainstream forums and newsgroups that are each
at great risk of losing their K12 status, unless they too uphold the
mainstream status quo policy regardless of any consequences, as though
operating as a kind of mafia closed mindset of doing everything their
way, or else.
An old story of past research (though hardly all that original),
objectively proving that complex other life can indeed exist or at
least temporarily coexist at extreme pressures and temperatures:
Life As We Didn't Know It (NASA)
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast13apr_1/
Since this science report, there have been deeper explorations and
investigative research pertaining to higher temperatures and much
greater pressures that complex life has either evolved into or as
having adapted in order to make the best of it. Those geothermal
vapors of Venus can’t be any too goldilocks human friendly, unless
we’re properly outfit in order to protect ourselves. In other words,
any naked Goldilocks isn’t going survive, especially if she’s already
mainstream snookered and dumbfounded herself past the point of no
return.
Unlike my devoted LLPOF peers of mainstream obfuscation FUD-masters
and their usual denial of their being in denial, that always insist
upon putting us independent investigative outsiders in the crazy-box
or loony-bin along with an added NO FLY qualification, it seems that
I've never stipulated "proof positive" about intelligent other life
existing/coexisting on Venus, although at least thus far we have
nothing of any known forms of natural geology or planetology that
seems to fit the whole complex picture or plan-view of what "Guth
Venus" seems to represent, as offering by far the most interesting and
complex collection of large scale geometrical shapes or fantastically
or loony-bin along with an added NO FLY qualification, it seems that
I've never stipulated "proof positive" about intelligent other life
existing/coexisting on Venus, although at least thus far we have
nothing of any known forms of natural geology or planetology that
seems to fit the whole complex picture or plan-view of what "Guth
Venus" seems to represent, as offering by far the most interesting and
far as anyone knows nature simply can not create them, and otherwise
their quarry site was only 50+ miles away, though any human tooling or
work sites have not yet been identified. None the less, from any
satellite perspective of imaging, these near perfectly round monoliths
would clearly stand out, as being unnatural and thus a clear sign of
intelligent life (at least smarter than Hager because he simply
couldn’t create any stone monolith sphere if his pathetic redneck life
depended on it)
What’s entirely missing from those very rectangular monoliths of Mars
and Phobos is any surrounding or community like infrastructure, much
less any logical quarry site or rational logistics pertaining as to
would clearly stand out, as being unnatural and thus a clear sign of
intelligent life (at least smarter than Hager because he simply
couldn’t create any stone monolith sphere if his pathetic redneck life
depended on it)
What’s entirely missing from those very rectangular monoliths of Mars
and Phobos is any surrounding or community like infrastructure, much
any base-camp of mining or extracting whatever. In other words, those
Brad Guth
Apr 23, 2012, 6:47:47 PM4/23/12
to
Cool Venus L2
Off-world mining
Our moon's He3
In spite of the usual mainstream gauntlet that’ll automatically by
default and applied obfuscation, always systematically oppose anything
> http://www.enchantedrockstatenaturalarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/...
> http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000uVz6oS8x0Y4/s/750/750/UTCR...
> http://davidinglima2.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/turret_arch.jpg
> http://www.pictures1.temehu.com/p1/Acacus-natural-arch-Forzhaga.jpg
> http://www.metrolic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Arches-National-Pa...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_S...
Off-world mining
Our moon's He3
In spite of the usual mainstream gauntlet that’ll automatically by
that’s new or improved, can be further nullified or if need be
circumvented, as perhaps from yourself and others of any deductive
image interpreting expertise can try to add a little something from
circumvented, as perhaps from yourself and others of any deductive
their very own observationology talent to this growing list, of
contributing their own interpretation to what an actively thriving
community of an intelligent off-world mining operation should look
contributing their own interpretation to what an actively thriving
like, as if imaged from the perspective of an advanced spy satellite,
keeping in mind that the scale of such items on any given dimension
has to be worth at least 75 meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/
keeping in mind that the scale of such items on any given dimension
has to be worth at least 75 meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/
pixel in order to count, so for the most part we’re not trying to
interpret anything that’s smaller than 225 meters per geometric
dimension, although some deductive interpretations could be reveling
as to whatever else is there.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
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interpret anything that’s smaller than 225 meters per geometric
dimension, although some deductive interpretations could be reveling
as to whatever else is there.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
http://translate.google.com/#
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> http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000uVz6oS8x0Y4/s/750/750/UTCR...
> http://davidinglima2.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/turret_arch.jpg
> http://www.pictures1.temehu.com/p1/Acacus-natural-arch-Forzhaga.jpg
> http://www.metrolic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Arches-National-Pa...
>
> Square or rectangular need not be the only unexplained monoliths:
> http://costaricaspecialdealsonline.blogspot.com/2011/05/costa-rica-st...
> Square or rectangular need not be the only unexplained monoliths:
Brad Guth
Apr 27, 2012, 12:01:06 AM4/27/12
to
He3 is actually good/better for just about everything, including party
balloons.
Earth has very little He3 as is, and we're running ourselves out of
He4 within the next three decades or at least by 2050 it'll become
practically nonexistent other than whatever thorium and uranium are
capable of producing that’s being suggested as limited to as little as
3e6 kg/year (roughly 1% of our needs if 100% of that helium could even
be captured, though I'd kind of doubt we could manage to capture .
0001%).
In other words, He4 is literally on its way out, and the rate of
natural replenishment isn’t going to be .0001% sufficient unless we
can manage to artificially create helium.
As for carbonado(aka black diamond), being really nifty for all sorts
of applications besides continuous tether fibers, and being easily
produced in the hard vacuum of space or even upon our physically dark
and paramagnetic moon, in unlimited volume that's easily transported
to/from just about anywhere, should be at least considered as one of
the cheapest raw elements that can be artificially obtained and
processed into just about anything.
Are you and other Oligarch Rothschilds planning on waiting until the
very last terrestrial tonne is about to run out? (at which time you
ZNRs have to fake and/or false-flag us into another war in order to
artificially inflate the global price via insider market speculation
and otherwise steal the scarce remainder of helium from others)
Of course, while obtaining off-world helium, there will be many other
elements of extremely valuable rare-earths will have to also get
processed and put into terrestrial circulation, unless you're planning
on speculating and hoarding those as well.
By going off-world, many rare and valuable elements and complex
solutions can be discovered, excavated and/or processed and
transferred back to Earth. Of course that’s not going to happen as
long as we keep the old guard of oligarchs in charge and never bother
to look back.
The loss of our OCO mission is just another prime example of how we’re
being kept uninformed and mislead into believing only whatever our
handlers want us to believe.
Those lakes under thick Antarctica ice remain fluid not because of our
planet having a sun, but only because of the ongoing 64 TW of residual
heat, geophysical modulation plus fission within Earth. A certain
amount of gravity tidal modulation that’s keeping our flexible planet
a little extra warm from the inside out, at an average surface bedrock
heat loss of perhaps 128 mw/m2. From the surface, we humans manage to
add roughly half again that amount of thermal energy to everything
from the surface on up (still considerably less than what nature
contributes), and of course we have our sun that’s less than ideally
stable, plus our nifty moon that’s contributing via its own 2e20 N of
tidal force modulating throughout the whole fluid body of our planet,
which may help to explain where some of the internal heat is coming
from besides a core and mantel of fission that’s responsible for
creating our helium that we’re about to run out of a sufficient annual
volume.
Of course our modern day K12s and most others are no longer smart
enough to care about any natural or artificial loss of helium, just
like Semites and Oligarchs could care less if all the natural ice on
Earth melted, and ocean levels increased by tens of meters or whatever
extreme weather of storms and/or droughts were ten fold worse off. I
mean to suggest, when these Oligarch Rothschilds own a fleet of
business jets and Mega Yachts plus multiple villas plus several
multimillion dollar condos around the world, they really don’t have to
worry if any one of those habitats is inconvenienced or disrupted by
extreme weather or getting flooded out because of rising ocean levels.
On Apr 24, 6:53 pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <Space...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
: well, so, What?
:
: : He4 migrates directly through ozone. It doesn't bind, it dilutes
or
: : displaces ozone as well as it acts as a molecular lubricant.
The "well, so, What?" is that our government and its faith-based mafia
of Oligarch Semites that get to operate as public-funded overlords and
robber barons regardless of whomever we elect or appoint, have been
telling us a pack of lies upon lies, as well as creating and
sustaining wars, costing us millions of lives plus trillions of our
hard earned loot, and ultimately keeping us from going off-world until
they've gotten every last drop of blood and dime out of us.
Obviously that doesn't bother those that never want their white-washed
Semitic version of history to ever get revised.
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balloons.
Earth has very little He3 as is, and we're running ourselves out of
He4 within the next three decades or at least by 2050 it'll become
practically nonexistent other than whatever thorium and uranium are
capable of producing that’s being suggested as limited to as little as
3e6 kg/year (roughly 1% of our needs if 100% of that helium could even
be captured, though I'd kind of doubt we could manage to capture .
0001%).
In other words, He4 is literally on its way out, and the rate of
natural replenishment isn’t going to be .0001% sufficient unless we
can manage to artificially create helium.
As for carbonado(aka black diamond), being really nifty for all sorts
of applications besides continuous tether fibers, and being easily
produced in the hard vacuum of space or even upon our physically dark
and paramagnetic moon, in unlimited volume that's easily transported
to/from just about anywhere, should be at least considered as one of
the cheapest raw elements that can be artificially obtained and
processed into just about anything.
Are you and other Oligarch Rothschilds planning on waiting until the
very last terrestrial tonne is about to run out? (at which time you
ZNRs have to fake and/or false-flag us into another war in order to
artificially inflate the global price via insider market speculation
and otherwise steal the scarce remainder of helium from others)
Of course, while obtaining off-world helium, there will be many other
elements of extremely valuable rare-earths will have to also get
processed and put into terrestrial circulation, unless you're planning
on speculating and hoarding those as well.
By going off-world, many rare and valuable elements and complex
solutions can be discovered, excavated and/or processed and
transferred back to Earth. Of course that’s not going to happen as
long as we keep the old guard of oligarchs in charge and never bother
to look back.
The loss of our OCO mission is just another prime example of how we’re
being kept uninformed and mislead into believing only whatever our
handlers want us to believe.
Those lakes under thick Antarctica ice remain fluid not because of our
planet having a sun, but only because of the ongoing 64 TW of residual
heat, geophysical modulation plus fission within Earth. A certain
amount of gravity tidal modulation that’s keeping our flexible planet
a little extra warm from the inside out, at an average surface bedrock
heat loss of perhaps 128 mw/m2. From the surface, we humans manage to
add roughly half again that amount of thermal energy to everything
from the surface on up (still considerably less than what nature
contributes), and of course we have our sun that’s less than ideally
stable, plus our nifty moon that’s contributing via its own 2e20 N of
tidal force modulating throughout the whole fluid body of our planet,
which may help to explain where some of the internal heat is coming
from besides a core and mantel of fission that’s responsible for
creating our helium that we’re about to run out of a sufficient annual
volume.
Of course our modern day K12s and most others are no longer smart
enough to care about any natural or artificial loss of helium, just
like Semites and Oligarchs could care less if all the natural ice on
Earth melted, and ocean levels increased by tens of meters or whatever
extreme weather of storms and/or droughts were ten fold worse off. I
mean to suggest, when these Oligarch Rothschilds own a fleet of
business jets and Mega Yachts plus multiple villas plus several
multimillion dollar condos around the world, they really don’t have to
worry if any one of those habitats is inconvenienced or disrupted by
extreme weather or getting flooded out because of rising ocean levels.
On Apr 24, 6:53 pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <Space...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
: well, so, What?
:
: : He4 migrates directly through ozone. It doesn't bind, it dilutes
or
: : displaces ozone as well as it acts as a molecular lubricant.
The "well, so, What?" is that our government and its faith-based mafia
of Oligarch Semites that get to operate as public-funded overlords and
robber barons regardless of whomever we elect or appoint, have been
telling us a pack of lies upon lies, as well as creating and
sustaining wars, costing us millions of lives plus trillions of our
hard earned loot, and ultimately keeping us from going off-world until
they've gotten every last drop of blood and dime out of us.
Obviously that doesn't bother those that never want their white-washed
Semitic version of history to ever get revised.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
http://translate.google.com/#
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Brad Guth
Apr 29, 2012, 1:11:03 AM4/29/12
to
They (dominate Usenet/newsgroup FUD-masters) just can't sand for
anyone as an outsider getting any credit. Usenet/newsgroups might as
well be an e-synagogue and its e-Wailing Wall, whereas nothing ever
changes (especially not their lies upon lies). Actually, the mafia
like difference of social/political actions or reactions between that
of a devout Atheist and that of a Zionist Jew are practically
indistinguishable.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
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> http://www.enchantedrockstatenaturalarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/...
> http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000uVz6oS8x0Y4/s/750/750/UTCR...
> http://davidinglima2.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/turret_arch.jpg
> http://www.pictures1.temehu.com/p1/Acacus-natural-arch-Forzhaga.jpg
> http://www.metrolic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Arches-National-Pa...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_S...
anyone as an outsider getting any credit. Usenet/newsgroups might as
well be an e-synagogue and its e-Wailing Wall, whereas nothing ever
changes (especially not their lies upon lies). Actually, the mafia
like difference of social/political actions or reactions between that
of a devout Atheist and that of a Zionist Jew are practically
indistinguishable.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
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On Apr 22, 4:57 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000uVz6oS8x0Y4/s/750/750/UTCR...
> http://davidinglima2.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/turret_arch.jpg
> http://www.pictures1.temehu.com/p1/Acacus-natural-arch-Forzhaga.jpg
> http://www.metrolic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Arches-National-Pa...
>
> Square or rectangular need not be the only unexplained monoliths:
> http://costaricaspecialdealsonline.blogspot.com/2011/05/costa-rica-st...
> Square or rectangular need not be the only unexplained monoliths:
Brad Guth
Apr 29, 2012, 3:50:38 PM4/29/12
to
Processing our deepest ocean floors and otherwise via enormous open-
pit mining is always an option, as long as trashing the environment at
the same time as causing global inflation that's forced upon everyone,
and those plus other unavoidable consequences doesn’t bother you or
anyone else.
So, what's the insurmountable beef with excavating tunnels via
enormous TBMs, and processing all of that hard rock for obtaining
those rare-earth elements?
So what if nearby asteroids and the moon gets TBM excavated to death
by other than Oligarch Rothschild types?
I understand that the below-ground and above-ground resources of
hydrocarbons and many valuable minerals plus rare-earth elements
associated within Muslim run nations is truly considerable, and
otherwise Earth will soon enough need off-world resources of helium,
not to mention any number of those other valuable elements that lead
to global inflation, greater social disparity and wars.
I suppose driving all Islamic and Muslim types off their land is one
method that’ll get the Oligarchs and Rothschilds by for the next
couple centuries, but then what?.
There’s always the hot off-world prospects of digging into our moon,
or just taking whatever nature spits up from within Venus can’t be all
that worthless.
pit mining is always an option, as long as trashing the environment at
the same time as causing global inflation that's forced upon everyone,
and those plus other unavoidable consequences doesn’t bother you or
anyone else.
So, what's the insurmountable beef with excavating tunnels via
enormous TBMs, and processing all of that hard rock for obtaining
those rare-earth elements?
So what if nearby asteroids and the moon gets TBM excavated to death
by other than Oligarch Rothschild types?
I understand that the below-ground and above-ground resources of
hydrocarbons and many valuable minerals plus rare-earth elements
associated within Muslim run nations is truly considerable, and
otherwise Earth will soon enough need off-world resources of helium,
not to mention any number of those other valuable elements that lead
to global inflation, greater social disparity and wars.
I suppose driving all Islamic and Muslim types off their land is one
method that’ll get the Oligarchs and Rothschilds by for the next
couple centuries, but then what?.
There’s always the hot off-world prospects of digging into our moon,
or just taking whatever nature spits up from within Venus can’t be all
that worthless.
Brad Guth
Apr 29, 2012, 10:52:12 PM4/29/12
to
Superheated steam or disconnected molecules of water vapor at 96 bar
and 735 K is not going to be same density kind of thing as saturated
wet-steam. Superheated steam is commonly referred to as dry steam.
http://enpub.fulton.asu.edu/ece340/pdf/steam_tables.PDF
http://eng-calculations.com/Superheated%20Steam.aspx/Superheated%20Steam.aspx
At 96 bar, water doesn’t even vaporize until it gets above 581.2 K,
and at that its density is only worth 52.73 kg/m3 (47.7 kg/m3 on
Venus), and otherwise at 735 K its physical property of dry steam
density drops to 29.2 kg/m3. Being that the surface buoyancy of that
atmosphere is worth 65 kg/m3, means understandably that any given
volume of superheated steam is going to rise quickly, and especially
fast if its geothermal source was any hotter than 735 K.
Of course acidic or brackish mineral water is going to take a little
something extra to vaporize. I supposed carbonated water at 96 bar
has to become a few percent higher density, is all together another
twisted physics outcome when heated to 735 K. Of course water on
Venus only weighs 904 kg per our m3, though as having its volumetric
expansion coefficient of .000214 (1/oC), at 735 K is going to have
roughly 9.5% less density as is, or occupy roughly 9.5% more volume,
and if it didn’t vaporize it would represent 818 kg per Venus m3 at
735 K, plus all of that surrounding CO2 at 96 bar and 735 K is a
highly super-critical vapor. In other words, it gets extremely
complicated and it’s quite easy to make mistakes due to all these
variables.
BTW; it takes a lot hotter than 100C to boil blood, namely 124.4C at
one bar. I’m not suggesting that our blood wouldn’t boil at 735 K(462
C and 96 bar), but it’s not going to take as much protective suit
cooling as you might think.
Unlike a mostly freeze-dried or frozen to death Mars that hasn’t been
venting squat for millions of years, Venus hasn’t been behaving like
it should, and quite unlike those rainy plains of Spain, it never
rains on the plains of Venus, but none the less the whole planet is
still geothermally venting raw elements like crazy.
Exploiting Venus with TBMs is perhaps not such a good idea, with every
km depth adding several K to that surface temperature of 735 K, seems
to be asking for trouble.
The core temperature of Earth is perhaps worth 6500 K, whereas the
core of Venus could easily be worth as great as 7000 K, although
interpreted by way of many in physics, that’s asking a bit much even
for the boiling of thorium at 5061 K. 5500 K could be a more likely
maximum fission temperature of Earth’s supposedly iron core and
perhaps at most 6500 K for Venus, because any much hotter fission than
6500K and Venus would still be sparkling like a star. Of course with
the surrounding thick and dense atmosphere that’s protecting Venus is
also insulating it while allowing an amount of solar energy in.
“The temperature of shock compressed iron has been measured to 340
GPa, using well characterized iron films sputtered on transparent
diamond substrates and a 1 ns time-resolved optical method. We find a
knee on the (P,T) iron Hugoniot indicating melting at 6350 K and 235
GPa and at 6720 K and 300 GPa. An extrapolation yields an iron melting
temperature of 6830 (± 500) K at 330 GPa, the pressure of the Earth
inner-outer core boundary.”
It has been estimated by independent research that Venus has been
radiating 20.5 w/m2 away from it’s core of fission energy. This
thermal imbalance is a very good thing, considering that its current
surface temperature is not too much blow our upper working technology
limits of 825 K (1025 F). However, with a differential of 512 C (785
K) between its worse than toasty surface and just above the nighttime
haze of those cryosphere cloud tops (72+ km), is representing an
impressive thermodynamic differential resource of energy.
Of course Venus is not without its water vapor. It seems with each
and every scientific improved method is turning up greater amounts of
water vapor, depending on how the science gets interpreted.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103511003423
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103511002351
Those extremely thick (45+ km including layers of haze) of highly
acidic clouds are not made of dry/inert crystals, and it’s not
possible to have those sulphuric acid droplets without some degree of
water, even somewhat carbonated water which in of itself is highly
acidic.
http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/venus-workshop-submission/files/barstow_joanna-24.pdf
With only 0.1 to 0.4% water below those clouds and just 60 ppm O2
isn’t all that much to work with, unless we’re going there with
sufficient life-support technology.
“Probes from the Pioneer Venus mission discovered that, below the
clouds, the atmosphere contains about 0.1 to 0.4 percent water vapor
and 60 parts per million of free oxygen.”
Of course most of our Venus cloud and surface science is still not
truly objective, and thereby each and every scientific instrument
probe improvement keeps giving us different data to subjectively model
with. Russian science is still better than most, although the ongoing
stream of science data from ESA’s Venus EXPRESS that’s badly
instrument handicapped, is gradually improving.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
http://translate.google.com/#
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and 735 K is not going to be same density kind of thing as saturated
wet-steam. Superheated steam is commonly referred to as dry steam.
http://enpub.fulton.asu.edu/ece340/pdf/steam_tables.PDF
http://eng-calculations.com/Superheated%20Steam.aspx/Superheated%20Steam.aspx
At 96 bar, water doesn’t even vaporize until it gets above 581.2 K,
and at that its density is only worth 52.73 kg/m3 (47.7 kg/m3 on
Venus), and otherwise at 735 K its physical property of dry steam
density drops to 29.2 kg/m3. Being that the surface buoyancy of that
atmosphere is worth 65 kg/m3, means understandably that any given
volume of superheated steam is going to rise quickly, and especially
fast if its geothermal source was any hotter than 735 K.
Of course acidic or brackish mineral water is going to take a little
something extra to vaporize. I supposed carbonated water at 96 bar
has to become a few percent higher density, is all together another
twisted physics outcome when heated to 735 K. Of course water on
Venus only weighs 904 kg per our m3, though as having its volumetric
expansion coefficient of .000214 (1/oC), at 735 K is going to have
roughly 9.5% less density as is, or occupy roughly 9.5% more volume,
and if it didn’t vaporize it would represent 818 kg per Venus m3 at
735 K, plus all of that surrounding CO2 at 96 bar and 735 K is a
highly super-critical vapor. In other words, it gets extremely
complicated and it’s quite easy to make mistakes due to all these
variables.
BTW; it takes a lot hotter than 100C to boil blood, namely 124.4C at
one bar. I’m not suggesting that our blood wouldn’t boil at 735 K(462
C and 96 bar), but it’s not going to take as much protective suit
cooling as you might think.
Unlike a mostly freeze-dried or frozen to death Mars that hasn’t been
venting squat for millions of years, Venus hasn’t been behaving like
it should, and quite unlike those rainy plains of Spain, it never
rains on the plains of Venus, but none the less the whole planet is
still geothermally venting raw elements like crazy.
Exploiting Venus with TBMs is perhaps not such a good idea, with every
km depth adding several K to that surface temperature of 735 K, seems
to be asking for trouble.
The core temperature of Earth is perhaps worth 6500 K, whereas the
core of Venus could easily be worth as great as 7000 K, although
interpreted by way of many in physics, that’s asking a bit much even
for the boiling of thorium at 5061 K. 5500 K could be a more likely
maximum fission temperature of Earth’s supposedly iron core and
perhaps at most 6500 K for Venus, because any much hotter fission than
6500K and Venus would still be sparkling like a star. Of course with
the surrounding thick and dense atmosphere that’s protecting Venus is
also insulating it while allowing an amount of solar energy in.
“The temperature of shock compressed iron has been measured to 340
GPa, using well characterized iron films sputtered on transparent
diamond substrates and a 1 ns time-resolved optical method. We find a
knee on the (P,T) iron Hugoniot indicating melting at 6350 K and 235
GPa and at 6720 K and 300 GPa. An extrapolation yields an iron melting
temperature of 6830 (± 500) K at 330 GPa, the pressure of the Earth
inner-outer core boundary.”
It has been estimated by independent research that Venus has been
radiating 20.5 w/m2 away from it’s core of fission energy. This
thermal imbalance is a very good thing, considering that its current
surface temperature is not too much blow our upper working technology
limits of 825 K (1025 F). However, with a differential of 512 C (785
K) between its worse than toasty surface and just above the nighttime
haze of those cryosphere cloud tops (72+ km), is representing an
impressive thermodynamic differential resource of energy.
Of course Venus is not without its water vapor. It seems with each
and every scientific improved method is turning up greater amounts of
water vapor, depending on how the science gets interpreted.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103511003423
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103511002351
Those extremely thick (45+ km including layers of haze) of highly
acidic clouds are not made of dry/inert crystals, and it’s not
possible to have those sulphuric acid droplets without some degree of
water, even somewhat carbonated water which in of itself is highly
acidic.
http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/venus-workshop-submission/files/barstow_joanna-24.pdf
With only 0.1 to 0.4% water below those clouds and just 60 ppm O2
isn’t all that much to work with, unless we’re going there with
sufficient life-support technology.
“Probes from the Pioneer Venus mission discovered that, below the
clouds, the atmosphere contains about 0.1 to 0.4 percent water vapor
and 60 parts per million of free oxygen.”
Of course most of our Venus cloud and surface science is still not
truly objective, and thereby each and every scientific instrument
probe improvement keeps giving us different data to subjectively model
with. Russian science is still better than most, although the ongoing
stream of science data from ESA’s Venus EXPRESS that’s badly
instrument handicapped, is gradually improving.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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Apr 30, 2012, 9:50:33 AM4/30/12
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The planet Venus may seem forbidden to some of us, but to those of us
with independent thought and deductive reasoning, it’s not nearly as
bad or insurmountable as we’ve been otherwise taught.
The future for the upper most .0001% (one out of every million or 7000
individuals) is every bit as looking good or better than ever, however
for the rest of us not so much. Their trick however is to manage the
lower 99.9999% caste of the rest of us into believing that all is
running smoothly and otherwise doing the best that it can, and this
systematic ruse can always be accomplished by way of social/political
and faith-based indoctrination.
I can’t ever seem to put my finger upon any singular culprit or
individuals that others will accept as being the most responsible, but
the odds are that we can’t ignore this reality of who’s really in
charge, in that regardless of whomever we elect or appoint it’s not
going to change a damn thing as long as those really in charge have us
as either adequately trained or defeated, in order to suit their own
motives and agendas.
So, in addition to sustaining those extremely grand lifestyles of the
upper most rich and powerful, our world of brown-nosed clowns and
their indoctrinated minions still needs resources and lots of energy
in order to make due plus making everything else happen.
Processing our deepest ocean floors and otherwise via enormous open-
pit mining is always an option, as long as trashing the environment at
the same time as causing global inflation that's forced upon everyone,
and whereas those plus other unavoidable consequences doesn’t bother
you or anyone else, we’re good to go.
To some extent, molecular sieves can get utilized for obtaining some
of those more illusive elements (such as He3 & He4), though it’ll be a
tad-bit spendy, a little slow on delivering whatever volume and
otherwise volume extraction limited by whatever nature makes available
in our air and oceans, may not be such a bad idea as long as we keep
ignoring those pesky consequences of continually exploiting every
conceivable thing our planet has to offer, and wasting it as though
the supply is unlimited and the consequences of it’s use are
meaningless to the global environment. Of course, limiting the human
population of Earth to something less than 500 million would also
work.
So, what's the insurmountable beef with excavating tunnels via
enormous TBMs, and processing all of that hard rock for obtaining
those rare-earth elements?
So what if nearby asteroids and the moon gets TBM excavated to death
by other than Oligarch Rothschild types?
As long as the supply of rare elements like helium and precious metals
are not disrupted, and blood diamonds plus other gems are never
replaced with much cheaper commercially made crystals of equal or
better quality, all is well. So the off-world mining trick is to make
darn certain that anything derived off-world is always more spendy
than anything terrestrial obtained.
I understand that the below-ground and above-ground resources of
hydrocarbons and many valuable minerals plus rare-earth elements
associated within Muslim run nations is truly considerable, and
otherwise Earth will soon enough need off-world resources of helium,
not to mention any number of those other valuable elements that’ll
with independent thought and deductive reasoning, it’s not nearly as
bad or insurmountable as we’ve been otherwise taught.
The future for the upper most .0001% (one out of every million or 7000
individuals) is every bit as looking good or better than ever, however
for the rest of us not so much. Their trick however is to manage the
lower 99.9999% caste of the rest of us into believing that all is
running smoothly and otherwise doing the best that it can, and this
systematic ruse can always be accomplished by way of social/political
and faith-based indoctrination.
I can’t ever seem to put my finger upon any singular culprit or
individuals that others will accept as being the most responsible, but
the odds are that we can’t ignore this reality of who’s really in
charge, in that regardless of whomever we elect or appoint it’s not
going to change a damn thing as long as those really in charge have us
as either adequately trained or defeated, in order to suit their own
motives and agendas.
So, in addition to sustaining those extremely grand lifestyles of the
upper most rich and powerful, our world of brown-nosed clowns and
their indoctrinated minions still needs resources and lots of energy
in order to make due plus making everything else happen.
Processing our deepest ocean floors and otherwise via enormous open-
pit mining is always an option, as long as trashing the environment at
the same time as causing global inflation that's forced upon everyone,
you or anyone else, we’re good to go.
To some extent, molecular sieves can get utilized for obtaining some
of those more illusive elements (such as He3 & He4), though it’ll be a
tad-bit spendy, a little slow on delivering whatever volume and
otherwise volume extraction limited by whatever nature makes available
in our air and oceans, may not be such a bad idea as long as we keep
ignoring those pesky consequences of continually exploiting every
conceivable thing our planet has to offer, and wasting it as though
the supply is unlimited and the consequences of it’s use are
meaningless to the global environment. Of course, limiting the human
population of Earth to something less than 500 million would also
work.
So, what's the insurmountable beef with excavating tunnels via
enormous TBMs, and processing all of that hard rock for obtaining
those rare-earth elements?
So what if nearby asteroids and the moon gets TBM excavated to death
by other than Oligarch Rothschild types?
are not disrupted, and blood diamonds plus other gems are never
replaced with much cheaper commercially made crystals of equal or
better quality, all is well. So the off-world mining trick is to make
darn certain that anything derived off-world is always more spendy
than anything terrestrial obtained.
I understand that the below-ground and above-ground resources of
hydrocarbons and many valuable minerals plus rare-earth elements
associated within Muslim run nations is truly considerable, and
otherwise Earth will soon enough need off-world resources of helium,
lead to global inflation, greater social disparity and wars. I
suppose driving all Islamic and Muslim types off their land is one
method that’ll get the Oligarchs and Rothschilds by for the next
couple centuries, but then what?.
There’s always the hot off-world exploitation prospects of digging
suppose driving all Islamic and Muslim types off their land is one
method that’ll get the Oligarchs and Rothschilds by for the next
couple centuries, but then what?.
Brad Guth
Apr 30, 2012, 2:26:24 PM4/30/12
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Superheated steam or disconnected molecules of water and CO2 vapor at
Superheated steam is commonly referred to as dry steam, and that’s the
kind of supercritical carbonated kind of superheated water vapor that
Venus has to offer.
highly carbonated and otherwise superheated steam of H2CO3 (aka
“carbonic acid”) gets to be easily extracted.
Of course acidic or brackish mineral water is going to take a little
something extra to vaporize (depending on the molecular composite and
those various molecular binding considerations). I supposed
carbonated water (H2CO3) at 96 bar has to become a few percent higher
terrestrial m3, though as having its volumetric expansion coefficient
vapor with a buoyancy factor of 65 kg/m3. In other words, a liquid
cubic meter of pure water is 818 –65 = 753 kg/m3, but then because of
that being supercritical CO2 plus superheated H2O is why it all gets
BTW; it takes a lot hotter than 100C to boil blood, namely 124.4C at
one bar. I’m not suggesting that our blood wouldn’t boil at 735 K(462
C and 96 bar), but it’s not going to take as much protective suit
cooling as you might think.
Unlike a mostly freeze-dried or frozen to death Mars that hasn’t been
venting squat for millions of years, Venus hasn’t been behaving like
it should, and quite unlike those rainy plains of Spain, it absolutely
never rains on the plains of Venus (day or night), but none the less
photosphere at 5778 K). Of course with the surrounding thick and
“Probes from the Pioneer Venus mission discovered that, below the
clouds, the atmosphere contains about 0.1 to 0.4 percent water vapor
and 60 parts per million of free oxygen.”
Of course most of our Venus cloud and surface science is still not
truly objective, and thereby each and every scientific instrument
probe improvement keeps giving us different data to subjectively model
with. Russian science is still better than most, although the ongoing
stream of science data from ESA’s Venus EXPRESS that’s badly
instrument handicapped, is gradually improving.
96 bar and 735 K is not going to be same density kind of thing as
ordinary saturated wet-steam that’s easily detectable and quantified.
Superheated steam is commonly referred to as dry steam, and that’s the
kind of supercritical carbonated kind of superheated water vapor that
Venus has to offer.
http://enpub.fulton.asu.edu/ece340/pdf/steam_tables.PDF
http://eng-calculations.com/Superheated%20Steam.aspx/Superheated%20Steam.aspx
At 96 bar, water doesn’t even vaporize until it gets above 581.2 K,
and at that its density is only worth 52.73 kg/m3 (47.7 kg/m3 on
Venus), and otherwise at 735 K its physical property of dry steam
density drops to 29.2 kg/m3. Being that the surface buoyancy of that
atmosphere is worth 65 kg/m3, means understandably that any given
volume of superheated steam is going to rise quickly, and especially
fast if its geothermal source was any hotter than 735 K.
By artificially cooling plus via vacuum distillation is how that
http://eng-calculations.com/Superheated%20Steam.aspx/Superheated%20Steam.aspx
At 96 bar, water doesn’t even vaporize until it gets above 581.2 K,
and at that its density is only worth 52.73 kg/m3 (47.7 kg/m3 on
Venus), and otherwise at 735 K its physical property of dry steam
density drops to 29.2 kg/m3. Being that the surface buoyancy of that
atmosphere is worth 65 kg/m3, means understandably that any given
volume of superheated steam is going to rise quickly, and especially
fast if its geothermal source was any hotter than 735 K.
highly carbonated and otherwise superheated steam of H2CO3 (aka
“carbonic acid”) gets to be easily extracted.
Of course acidic or brackish mineral water is going to take a little
those various molecular binding considerations). I supposed
carbonated water (H2CO3) at 96 bar has to become a few percent higher
density, is all together another twisted physics outcome when heated
to 735 K. Of course pure water on Venus only weighs 904 kg per our
terrestrial m3, though as having its volumetric expansion coefficient
of .000214 (1/oC), at 735 K is going to have roughly 9.5% less density
as is (having to occupy roughly 9.5% more volume), and if it didn’t
vaporize it would represent 818 kg per Venus m3 at 735 K, plus all of
that surrounding CO2 at 96 bar and 735 K is a highly supercritical
vapor with a buoyancy factor of 65 kg/m3. In other words, a liquid
cubic meter of pure water is 818 –65 = 753 kg/m3, but then because of
that being supercritical CO2 plus superheated H2O is why it all gets
extremely complicated and it’s quite easy to make mistakes due to all
of these variables that should be taken into account.
BTW; it takes a lot hotter than 100C to boil blood, namely 124.4C at
one bar. I’m not suggesting that our blood wouldn’t boil at 735 K(462
C and 96 bar), but it’s not going to take as much protective suit
cooling as you might think.
Unlike a mostly freeze-dried or frozen to death Mars that hasn’t been
venting squat for millions of years, Venus hasn’t been behaving like
never rains on the plains of Venus (day or night), but none the less
the whole planet is still geothermally venting raw elements like
crazy.
Exploiting Venus with TBMs is perhaps not such a good idea, with every
km depth adding several K to that surface temperature of 735 K, seems
to be asking for trouble.
The core temperature of Earth is perhaps worth 6500 K, whereas the
core of Venus could easily be worth as great as 7000 K, although
interpreted by way of many in physics, that’s asking a bit much even
for the boiling of thorium at 5061 K. 5500 K could be a more likely
maximum fission temperature of Earth’s supposedly iron core and
perhaps at most 6500 K for Venus, because any much hotter fission than
6500K and Venus would still be sparkling like a star (our sun’s
crazy.
Exploiting Venus with TBMs is perhaps not such a good idea, with every
km depth adding several K to that surface temperature of 735 K, seems
to be asking for trouble.
The core temperature of Earth is perhaps worth 6500 K, whereas the
core of Venus could easily be worth as great as 7000 K, although
interpreted by way of many in physics, that’s asking a bit much even
for the boiling of thorium at 5061 K. 5500 K could be a more likely
maximum fission temperature of Earth’s supposedly iron core and
perhaps at most 6500 K for Venus, because any much hotter fission than
photosphere at 5778 K). Of course with the surrounding thick and
dense atmosphere that’s protecting Venus is also insulating it while
allowing an amount of solar energy in.
“The temperature of shock compressed iron has been measured to 340
GPa, using well characterized iron films sputtered on transparent
diamond substrates and a 1 ns time-resolved optical method. We find a
knee on the (P,T) iron Hugoniot indicating melting at 6350 K and 235
GPa and at 6720 K and 300 GPa. An extrapolation yields an iron melting
temperature of 6830 (± 500) K at 330 GPa, the pressure of the Earth
inner-outer core boundary.”
It has been estimated by independent research that Venus has been
radiating 20.5 w/m2 away from it’s core of fission energy. This
thermal imbalance is a very good thing, considering that its current
surface temperature is not too much blow our upper working technology
limits of 825 K (1025 F). However, with a differential of 512 C (785
K) between its worse than toasty surface and just above the nighttime
haze of those cryosphere cloud tops (72+ km), is representing an
impressive thermodynamic differential resource of energy.
Of course Venus is not without its water vapor. It seems with each
and every scientific improved method is turning up greater amounts of
water vapor, depending on how the science gets interpreted.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103511003423
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103511002351
Those extremely thick (45+ km including layers of haze) of highly
acidic clouds are not made of dry/inert crystals, and it’s not
possible to have those sulfuric acid droplets without some degree of
allowing an amount of solar energy in.
“The temperature of shock compressed iron has been measured to 340
GPa, using well characterized iron films sputtered on transparent
diamond substrates and a 1 ns time-resolved optical method. We find a
knee on the (P,T) iron Hugoniot indicating melting at 6350 K and 235
GPa and at 6720 K and 300 GPa. An extrapolation yields an iron melting
temperature of 6830 (± 500) K at 330 GPa, the pressure of the Earth
inner-outer core boundary.”
It has been estimated by independent research that Venus has been
radiating 20.5 w/m2 away from it’s core of fission energy. This
thermal imbalance is a very good thing, considering that its current
surface temperature is not too much blow our upper working technology
limits of 825 K (1025 F). However, with a differential of 512 C (785
K) between its worse than toasty surface and just above the nighttime
haze of those cryosphere cloud tops (72+ km), is representing an
impressive thermodynamic differential resource of energy.
Of course Venus is not without its water vapor. It seems with each
and every scientific improved method is turning up greater amounts of
water vapor, depending on how the science gets interpreted.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103511003423
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103511002351
Those extremely thick (45+ km including layers of haze) of highly
acidic clouds are not made of dry/inert crystals, and it’s not
water, even somewhat carbonated water which in of itself is highly
acidic.
http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/venus-workshop-submission/files/barstow_joanna-24.pdf
With only 0.1 to 0.4% water below those clouds and just 60 ppm O2
isn’t all that much to work with, unless we’re going there with
sufficient life-support technology that includes molecular sieves.
acidic.
http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/venus-workshop-submission/files/barstow_joanna-24.pdf
With only 0.1 to 0.4% water below those clouds and just 60 ppm O2
isn’t all that much to work with, unless we’re going there with
“Probes from the Pioneer Venus mission discovered that, below the
clouds, the atmosphere contains about 0.1 to 0.4 percent water vapor
and 60 parts per million of free oxygen.”
Of course most of our Venus cloud and surface science is still not
truly objective, and thereby each and every scientific instrument
probe improvement keeps giving us different data to subjectively model
with. Russian science is still better than most, although the ongoing
stream of science data from ESA’s Venus EXPRESS that’s badly
instrument handicapped, is gradually improving.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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Another good thing about exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus,
is that it seems to have had way more than its fair share of helium,
namely 12 ppm just within its extremely thick and dense atmosphere,
not to mention numerous surface geothermal vents and likely internal
gas pockets that could be easily tapped. The innards of Venus could
hold 1e16 kg if not 1e17 kg of 4He that’s not worth all that much
today, although by 2050 this could quite another issue.
Our helium depletion or peak helium is nearly upon us, though all we
have to do is continually ignore it and it’ll literally go away. By
2050 the maximum world extraction rate of helium depletion will peak
at 50000 tonnes(5e7 kg/year), whereas the current rate is 3e7 kg/
year. The drop-off or cutoff will likely be steeper unless it’s
discovered that the geology of our planet has been holding out on us.
http://www.roperld.com/science/minerals/Helium.htm
Of course this volume doesn’t include the natural diffusion as
geology leakage taking place that’s required in order to sustain the
5.24 ppm of atmospheric saturation. Using the physics of fusion to
artificially create He4 from hydrogen may arrive just in the nick of
time, but it too will be somewhat spendy because fusion is also the
ultimate WMD.
He3 is actually good/better for just about everything besides creating
those fusion bombs that our NIF has been working on, including its use
in party balloons. Problems is, unlike He4, He3 is already spendy as
hell because our shielded planet has hardly any of that element, and
thus far we have managed to toss away the bulk of our He4 within
natural gas that also includes a very small proportion of He3 (no
wonder our protective layer of ozone/O3 has that big gaping hole over
either pole).
Unlike our naked moon, our shielded Earth has very little He3 as is,
whatever thorium and uranium are capable of producing, that’s being
kind of doubt we could manage to capture .0001% before it leaks off
and gets blown away by the solar wind). In other words, He4 is
year, and we managed to capture 0.1% of it, is still only worth 3e4 kg/
year. The LHC needs to circulate nearly 100 tonnes of He4 without any
reserves, or 1e5 kg, which that one alone exceeds the naturally
produced resource by 33:1, and there’s all sorts of other commercial,
aerospace, research and retail needs for helium. Shale gas via
fracking probably doesn’t contain as much natural helium, and as other
nations catch on and attempt to modernize and equalize their own
foreign exchange disparity, the future demand for this element of
helium could reach 3e8 kg/year (clearly unsustainable once global
stored reserves are depleted).
Another shortage of diamond could also be resolved off-world:
waiting until the very last terrestrial tonne of everything of any
value is about to run out? (at which time you ZNRs may have to fake
otherwise steal the scarce remainder of helium, diamond and heavy rare
element metals from others)
Of course, while obtaining off-world helium(s), there will be many
other elements of extremely valuable rare-earths that will have to
to speak) and transferred back to Earth. Of course that’s not going
(unusually similar to other previous failures) is perhaps just another
configures as for making them look super good and way smarter than the
rest of us.
Those lakes under thick Antarctica ice remain fluid not because of our
planet having a sun, nor having anything to do with our AGW, but only
because of the ongoing 64+ TW of residual heat that’s mostly from
sufficient annual volume, because the vast majority of this helium has
is simply been vented.
Of course our modern day K12s and most others are no longer getting
educated as smart enough to care about any natural or artificial loss
of helium, just like the Semites and Oligarchs could care less if all
addition to several multimillion dollar condos around the world, is
why they really don’t have to worry if any one of those habitats is
going off-world until they've fully exploited this planet and gotten
revised in order to suit the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
The really good news, is that by 2050 those holes in our protective
ozone layer should start to close up, because there will have been a
sudden and significant reduction of released helium, with perhaps 99%
of the remaining helium getting recycled, as it should have been as of
decades ago.
is that it seems to have had way more than its fair share of helium,
namely 12 ppm just within its extremely thick and dense atmosphere,
not to mention numerous surface geothermal vents and likely internal
gas pockets that could be easily tapped. The innards of Venus could
hold 1e16 kg if not 1e17 kg of 4He that’s not worth all that much
today, although by 2050 this could quite another issue.
Our helium depletion or peak helium is nearly upon us, though all we
have to do is continually ignore it and it’ll literally go away. By
2050 the maximum world extraction rate of helium depletion will peak
at 50000 tonnes(5e7 kg/year), whereas the current rate is 3e7 kg/
year. The drop-off or cutoff will likely be steeper unless it’s
discovered that the geology of our planet has been holding out on us.
http://www.roperld.com/science/minerals/Helium.htm
Of course this volume doesn’t include the natural diffusion as
geology leakage taking place that’s required in order to sustain the
5.24 ppm of atmospheric saturation. Using the physics of fusion to
artificially create He4 from hydrogen may arrive just in the nick of
time, but it too will be somewhat spendy because fusion is also the
ultimate WMD.
He3 is actually good/better for just about everything besides creating
those fusion bombs that our NIF has been working on, including its use
in party balloons. Problems is, unlike He4, He3 is already spendy as
hell because our shielded planet has hardly any of that element, and
thus far we have managed to toss away the bulk of our He4 within
natural gas that also includes a very small proportion of He3 (no
wonder our protective layer of ozone/O3 has that big gaping hole over
either pole).
Unlike our naked moon, our shielded Earth has very little He3 as is,
and we're running ourselves out of He4 within the next three decades
or at least by 2050 it could become practically nonexistent other than
whatever thorium and uranium are capable of producing, that’s being
suggested as limited to as little as 3e6 kg/year (roughly 1% of our
future needs if 100% of that helium could even be captured, though I'd
kind of doubt we could manage to capture .0001% before it leaks off
and gets blown away by the solar wind). In other words, He4 is
literally on its way out, and the rate of natural replenishment isn’t
going to be .0001% sufficient unless we can manage to artificially
create helium.
Even if the natural rate of He4 replenishment were capable of 3e7 kg/
going to be .0001% sufficient unless we can manage to artificially
create helium.
year, and we managed to capture 0.1% of it, is still only worth 3e4 kg/
year. The LHC needs to circulate nearly 100 tonnes of He4 without any
reserves, or 1e5 kg, which that one alone exceeds the naturally
produced resource by 33:1, and there’s all sorts of other commercial,
aerospace, research and retail needs for helium. Shale gas via
fracking probably doesn’t contain as much natural helium, and as other
nations catch on and attempt to modernize and equalize their own
foreign exchange disparity, the future demand for this element of
helium could reach 3e8 kg/year (clearly unsustainable once global
stored reserves are depleted).
Another shortage of diamond could also be resolved off-world:
As for carbonado(aka black diamond), being really nifty for all sorts
of applications besides continuous tether fibers, and being easily
produced in the hard vacuum of space or even upon our physically dark
and paramagnetic moon, in unlimited volume that's easily transported
to/from just about anywhere, should be at least considered as one of
the cheapest raw elements that can be artificially obtained and
processed into just about anything.
A question I have: Are you and other Oligarch Rothschilds planning on
of applications besides continuous tether fibers, and being easily
produced in the hard vacuum of space or even upon our physically dark
and paramagnetic moon, in unlimited volume that's easily transported
to/from just about anywhere, should be at least considered as one of
the cheapest raw elements that can be artificially obtained and
processed into just about anything.
waiting until the very last terrestrial tonne of everything of any
value is about to run out? (at which time you ZNRs may have to fake
and/or false-flag us into another war in order to artificially inflate
the global price via hoarding and insider market speculation, plus
otherwise steal the scarce remainder of helium, diamond and heavy rare
element metals from others)
Of course, while obtaining off-world helium(s), there will be many
other elements of extremely valuable rare-earths that will have to
also get processed and put into terrestrial circulation, unless you're
planning on speculating and hoarding those as well.
By going off-world, many rare and valuable elements and complex
solutions can be discovered, excavated and/or processed on the fly (so
planning on speculating and hoarding those as well.
By going off-world, many rare and valuable elements and complex
to speak) and transferred back to Earth. Of course that’s not going
to happen as long as we keep the old guard of oligarchs in charge and
never bother to look back.
The still unexplained loss of our OCO mission of Earth science
never bother to look back.
(unusually similar to other previous failures) is perhaps just another
prime example of how we’re being kept uninformed and mislead into
believing only whatever our handlers want us to believe, as usually
configures as for making them look super good and way smarter than the
rest of us.
Those lakes under thick Antarctica ice remain fluid not because of our
because of the ongoing 64+ TW of residual heat that’s mostly from
geophysical modulation plus fission within Earth. A certain amount of
gravity tidal modulation that’s keeping our flexible planet a little
extra warm from the inside out, at an average surface bedrock heat
loss of perhaps 128 mw/m2. From the surface, we humans manage to add
roughly half again that amount of thermal energy to everything from
the surface on up (still considerably less than what nature
contributes), and of course we have our sun that’s less than ideally
stable, plus our nifty moon that’s contributing via its own 2e20 N of
tidal force modulating throughout the whole fluid body of our planet,
which may help to explain where some of the internal heat is coming
from besides a core and mantel of fission that’s responsible for
creating our helium that we’re about to run ourselves out of a
gravity tidal modulation that’s keeping our flexible planet a little
extra warm from the inside out, at an average surface bedrock heat
loss of perhaps 128 mw/m2. From the surface, we humans manage to add
roughly half again that amount of thermal energy to everything from
the surface on up (still considerably less than what nature
contributes), and of course we have our sun that’s less than ideally
stable, plus our nifty moon that’s contributing via its own 2e20 N of
tidal force modulating throughout the whole fluid body of our planet,
which may help to explain where some of the internal heat is coming
from besides a core and mantel of fission that’s responsible for
sufficient annual volume, because the vast majority of this helium has
is simply been vented.
Of course our modern day K12s and most others are no longer getting
educated as smart enough to care about any natural or artificial loss
of helium, just like the Semites and Oligarchs could care less if all
the natural ice on Earth melted, and ocean levels increased by tens of
meters or whatever extreme weather of storms and/or droughts were ten
fold worse off. I mean to suggest, when these Oligarch Rothschilds
own a fleet of business jets and Mega Yachts plus multiple villas in
meters or whatever extreme weather of storms and/or droughts were ten
fold worse off. I mean to suggest, when these Oligarch Rothschilds
addition to several multimillion dollar condos around the world, is
why they really don’t have to worry if any one of those habitats is
inconvenienced or disrupted by extreme weather or getting flooded out
because of rising ocean levels.
On Apr 24, 6:53 pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <Space...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
: well, so, What?
: : I replied;
because of rising ocean levels.
On Apr 24, 6:53 pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <Space...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
: well, so, What?
: : He4 migrates directly through ozone. It doesn't bind, it dilutes
: : or displaces ozone as well as it acts as a molecular lubricant.
The "well, so, What?" is that our government and its faith-based mafia
of Oligarch Semites that get to operate as public-funded overlords and
robber barons regardless of whomever we elect or appoint, have been
telling us another pack of lies upon lies, as well as creating and
: : or displaces ozone as well as it acts as a molecular lubricant.
The "well, so, What?" is that our government and its faith-based mafia
of Oligarch Semites that get to operate as public-funded overlords and
robber barons regardless of whomever we elect or appoint, have been
sustaining wars, costing us millions of lives plus trillions of our
hard earned loot, and ultimately they seem intent upon keeping us from
going off-world until they've fully exploited this planet and gotten
every last drop of blood and dime out of us.
Obviously that doesn't bother those that never want their white-washed
Semitic Oligarch version of history to ever get investigated and/or
Obviously that doesn't bother those that never want their white-washed
revised in order to suit the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
The really good news, is that by 2050 those holes in our protective
ozone layer should start to close up, because there will have been a
sudden and significant reduction of released helium, with perhaps 99%
of the remaining helium getting recycled, as it should have been as of
decades ago.
Warhol
May 2, 2012, 11:56:33 AM5/2/12
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Brad, maybe you know it yet, but with your topic your are playing in the
agenda of the Devil and his NWO's... I tell you see that no man deceives
you...
Helium(tin air) will never harm our planet or Man...
Op 2-5-2012 17:48, Brad Guth schreef:
agenda of the Devil and his NWO's... I tell you see that no man deceives
you...
Helium(tin air) will never harm our planet or Man...
Op 2-5-2012 17:48, Brad Guth schreef:
Brad Guth
May 2, 2012, 1:38:39 PM5/2/12
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Another good thing about exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus,
is that it seems to have had way more than its fair share of helium,
namely 12 ppm just within its extremely thick and dense atmosphere,
not to mention numerous surface geothermal vents and likely internal
gas pockets that could be easily tapped. The innards of Venus could
be holding 1e16 kg if not 1e17 kg of 4He that’s not worth all that
is that it seems to have had way more than its fair share of helium,
namely 12 ppm just within its extremely thick and dense atmosphere,
not to mention numerous surface geothermal vents and likely internal
gas pockets that could be easily tapped. The innards of Venus could
much today, although by 2050 this shortage of He4 could become quite
another issue.
Our helium depletion or peak helium is nearly upon us, though all we
have to do is continually ignore it and it’ll literally go away. By
2050 the maximum world extraction rate of helium depletion will peak
at 50000 tonnes(5e7 kg/year), whereas the current rate of depletion is
Our helium depletion or peak helium is nearly upon us, though all we
have to do is continually ignore it and it’ll literally go away. By
2050 the maximum world extraction rate of helium depletion will peak
estimated as 3.6e7 kg/year. The drop-off or cutoff will likely be a
whole lot steeper if there’s a ten fold increase in demand, unless
it’s discovered that the geology of our planet that supposedly has
only 7e9 kg, is holding out on us.
http://www.roperld.com/science/minerals/Helium.htm
http://www.uskowioniran.com/2011/09/discovery-of-huge-helium-reserves-at.html
“Iran’s Pars Oil and Gas Company (POGC) announced today that it has
discovered the world's biggest helium reserve in its South Pars gas
field. POGC estimated the volume of South Pars helium reserves at 10
billion cubic meters, approximately 25 percent of the world’s known
reserves [Mehr News Agency, 30 September]. The South Pars gas field is
shared by Qatar and Iran. Qatar is already producing some helium. The
US is the world's leading supplier of helium, followed by Algeria.
The world’s annual production of helium is approximately 200 million
cubic meters. The main use of the gas is in cryogenic applications,
particularly in the cooling of superconducting magnets in MRI
scanners. Helium is also the gas of choice to fill airships and
blimps.”
-
No doubt India also has access to substantial natural gas fields
offering a high percentage of helium, however, if the global helium
demand increases by ten fold (as it likely will), thereby the
extraction of 3.6e8 kg/year becoming necessary, could deplete the vast
bulk of everything we know of (1e10 kg) within as little as 25 years.
So, perhaps we’ll have to start accusing India and Iran’s Pars Oil and
Gas Company (POGC) of sponsoring terrorism or hiding WMD, and/or if
nothing else we can always accuse them of hoarding uranium and thorium
reserves for evil reasons of their own global domination. In other
words, besides the vast wealth of liquid and gas hydrocarbons under
Islamic and Muslim ownership and control, it seems that they also have
a treasure trove of valuable helium plus the necessary uranium and
thorium reserves to boot.
Of course this interpreted volume doesn’t even include the natural
produced resource by 33:1, and there’s all sorts of other commercial,
aerospace, research and retail needs for helium. Shale gas via
fracking probably doesn’t contain as much natural helium, and as other
nations catch on and attempt to modernize and equalize their own
foreign exchange disparity, the future demand for this element of
helium could reach 3.6e8 kg/year (clearly unsustainable once global
aerospace, research and retail needs for helium. Shale gas via
fracking probably doesn’t contain as much natural helium, and as other
nations catch on and attempt to modernize and equalize their own
foreign exchange disparity, the future demand for this element of
Brad Guth
May 2, 2012, 1:37:43 PM5/2/12
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On May 2, 8:56 am, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Brad, maybe you know it yet, but with your topic your are playing in the
> agenda of the Devil and his NWO's... I tell you see that no man deceives
> you...
>
> Helium(tin air) will never harm our planet or Man...
>
Try to learn some basic physics.
> Brad, maybe you know it yet, but with your topic your are playing in the
> agenda of the Devil and his NWO's... I tell you see that no man deceives
> you...
>
> Helium(tin air) will never harm our planet or Man...
>
It's the lack of helium that become justification for WW3 or WW4.
Brad Guth
May 3, 2012, 8:03:07 PM5/3/12
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On May 2, 10:38 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Another good thing about exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus,
> is that it seems to have had way more than its fair share of helium,
> namely 12 ppm just within its extremely thick and dense atmosphere,
> not to mention numerous surface geothermal vents and likely internal
> gas pockets that could be easily tapped. The innards of Venus could
> be holding 1e16 kg if not 1e17 kg of 4He that’s not worth all that
> much today, although by 2050 this shortage of He4 could become quite
> another issue.
>
> Our helium depletion or peak helium is nearly upon us, though all we
> have to do is continually ignore it and it’ll literally go away. By
> 2050 the maximum world extraction rate of helium depletion will peak
> at 50000 tonnes(5e7 kg/year), whereas the current rate of depletion is
> estimated as 3.6e7 kg/year. The drop-off or cutoff will likely be a
> whole lot steeper if there’s a ten fold increase in demand, unless
> it’s discovered that the geology of our planet that supposedly has
> only 7e9 kg, is holding out on us.
> http://www.roperld.com/science/minerals/Helium.htm
> http://www.uskowioniran.com/2011/09/discovery-of-huge-helium-reserves...
> Another good thing about exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus,
> is that it seems to have had way more than its fair share of helium,
> namely 12 ppm just within its extremely thick and dense atmosphere,
> not to mention numerous surface geothermal vents and likely internal
> gas pockets that could be easily tapped. The innards of Venus could
> be holding 1e16 kg if not 1e17 kg of 4He that’s not worth all that
> much today, although by 2050 this shortage of He4 could become quite
> another issue.
>
> Our helium depletion or peak helium is nearly upon us, though all we
> have to do is continually ignore it and it’ll literally go away. By
> 2050 the maximum world extraction rate of helium depletion will peak
> at 50000 tonnes(5e7 kg/year), whereas the current rate of depletion is
> estimated as 3.6e7 kg/year. The drop-off or cutoff will likely be a
> whole lot steeper if there’s a ten fold increase in demand, unless
> it’s discovered that the geology of our planet that supposedly has
> only 7e9 kg, is holding out on us.
> http://www.roperld.com/science/minerals/Helium.htm
kg global cache of He4 the better off for the greater biodiversity of
our planet that needs its protective ozone layer, even though mother
nature has likely been (up till now) contributing at least ten fold as
much He4 to the atmosphere as us. Our reduction of venting or
otherwise not wasting He4 should make a tipping-point kind of
measurable difference in closing up those polar ozone holes that
really don’t need any extra lingering or migrating molecules of helium
passing through. In other words, the complex biodiversity on our
world may need its O3 worse than its He4 (not that there’s anything we
can effectively do to restrict the natural geological diffusion and
subsequent loss of helium from deep within).
My deductive thought all along, is why ignore and subsequently waste
such a nifty and versatile element like He4, not to mention it’s
extremely minor sibling of He3.
For a little extra argument sake; If there were only 3.154e8 kg being
naturally diffused as leaking away from Earth (at 10 kg/sec
maintaining our 5.24 ppm atmospheric saturation), and if the
originating source of uranium and thorium was only capable of
contributing 10% of that amount, seems to suggest that such lofty
helium that doesn’t bond with anything (including itself) is being
held captive within our atmosphere by something more complex than it’s
molecular specific gravity which isn’t hardly worth squat.
I’m rethinking along the lines of Earth having been naturally
releasing 3.154e9 kg/year, which amounts to 100 kg/sec that might be
required in order to sustain the 5.24 ppm, because even that amount
works out to an average outflux of less than 2e-13 kg/m2/sec. Of
course this would also have to suggest the innards of Earth’s uranium
and thorium cache being of considerably greater volume and mass in
order to keep up with even 10% of that amount (100 times greater than
previously thought).
Since there is still no direct/objective science on quantifying the
natural plus artificial global loss of helium, is what leaves some of
us guessing and otherwise attempting to connect the dots, because our
mainstream mantra of having been specifying a resource of only 3e6 kg/
year seems hardly sufficient if that internal cache of uranium and
thorium were the one and only source for having created all of this
lofty helium to begin with. So, either there’s a much greater volume
and mass of uranium and thorium plus a few other elements producing
helium, or the innards of our planet has more leaky geode pockets of
its original creation helium stashed away, just sitting there as
leaking and otherwise waiting for us to tap into.
Keeping in mind that even if the average extracted natural gas volume
(3.65e12 m3/year is not inclusive of wellhead or refinery flaring,
industry leakage, blowouts or natural escapement) were only 0.1% as
He4 is actually going to represent a hell of a lot (3.65e9 m3/yr =
6.5e8 kg/yr) of artificially pass-through or vented helium, and that’s
not even accounting for all of the wellhead and/or feedstock losses or
natural geothermal gas vents continually taking place, whereas a
reasonably conservative estimate might be 1e9 kg, and perhaps the
upper most all-inclusive extraction plus all other forms of artificial
and natural escapement of helium being in the ballpark of 3.154e10 kg/
yr (1 t/sec).
Just for the record; “Big Energy” typically underreports anything
that has fees, tariffs or penalties associated, is why we can’t trust
their own numbers as to the volumes extracted, leaked, blown-out or
otherwise consumed and/or wasted in the process of doing their
business and getting that product to market. Canada allows the
exploitation and export of negative hydrocarbon energy, which more
than doubles the carbon footprint for consuming of those hydrocarbons,
and BP Alaska isn’t operating terribly far behind that policy.
At any rate, eventually our planet should become helium deficient long
before our hydrocarbons run out, and those off-world alternatives will
then become necessary regardless of their added expense or possibly
much lower cost than anyone could have imagined, because off-world
helium may be only a byproduct for obtaining those much more valuable
elements. At least by then our polar ozone holes should greatly
shrink or possibly vanish, and that would be a very good thing,
because with the ongoing demise of our geomagnetic force field at 0.1%/
year, we’ll probably need all the added protection we can get.
Brad Guth
May 6, 2012, 12:35:36 AM5/6/12
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What's so dark and scary about the planet Venus?
On Mar 24, 5:22 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems to be getting popular enough for NPR and their McDonald
> Observatory (aka StarDate Radio announcer, Sandy Wood) as to promoting
> the latest mainstream astronomy/astrophysics word that galaxies,
> stars, planets, moons and asteroid captures are becoming the
> mainstream status norm of what the weak force of gravity does within
> orbital dynamics (namely altering of proper motion) of anything that
> gets within a sufficiently close tidal radius, and that no doubt some
> of our very own solar system is made from such nomad/rogue items of
> random metallicity that’s a little different than ours. Of course
> I’ve been promoting on behalf of this interpretation of astrophysics
> for quite some time, nearly as long as I can remember, that our moon
> and the planet Venus are each anything but inert nor lacking
> paramagnetic and diamagnetic properties that are each quite different
> than terrestrial metallicity proportions.
>
> Sandy Wood as having reported that our own galaxy is a composite of
> more than a dozen galactic encounters or mergers of various age and
> metallicity, and that some of this accumulation isn’t necessarily
> tracking along with the original mainstream flow. In addition there’s
> 55~60 million year old fossil remainders as recently discovered new
> species of enormous reptiles and monstrous snakes of Columbia, that
> qualified biologists seem to interpret as having required an
> equatorial environment of at least ten degrees hotter than any
> otherwise known tropical areas, in order for their volumetric bulk to
> have evolved, which might further suggest an extended period or
> evolutionary era of time when Sirius(B) was sufficiently nearby and
> most active before its helium flashover converted its enormous
> residual mass into a white dwarf.
>
> Metallicity can be found almost anywhere (not limited as to just those
> shiny metals we can make into pots and pans or into powerful computers
> for playing video games), except certain elements of great value and
> demand are becoming nearly depleted here on Earth, unless some
> affordable kind of really new and improved technology for extracting
> them rare elements comes along. In most instances the environment has
> to take a major hit in order to extract and process terrestrial
> metals, and in other cases we get to go to war.
>
> Going off-world could eliminate all such metallicity shortages, and
> then some. The nearest resource of complex metallicity is our
> physically dark moon, though also the extremely nearby planet Venus
> can’t be all that metallicity deficient, and a few local asteroids
> seem worth going after.
>
> Perhaps those highly unusual patterns of hot rocks on Venus are just
> being terribly creative, by way of their looking as though arranged
> into a community like infrastructure setting of something perfectly
> suited for that of a large scale mining operation. I mean to suggest
> by way of some practical deductive analogy of using a little
> investigative observationology, as to asking what planet other than
> Earth offers such unusually arranged rocks and modified terrain, in
> that when viewed from a spy satellite looks as though it’s
> intelligently arranged in order to suit some geometrically functional
> needs of applied physics, and that of sustaining its basic implied
> intelligence.
On Mar 24, 5:22 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems to be getting popular enough for NPR and their McDonald
> Observatory (aka StarDate Radio announcer, Sandy Wood) as to promoting
> the latest mainstream astronomy/astrophysics word that galaxies,
> stars, planets, moons and asteroid captures are becoming the
> mainstream status norm of what the weak force of gravity does within
> orbital dynamics (namely altering of proper motion) of anything that
> gets within a sufficiently close tidal radius, and that no doubt some
> of our very own solar system is made from such nomad/rogue items of
> random metallicity that’s a little different than ours. Of course
> I’ve been promoting on behalf of this interpretation of astrophysics
> for quite some time, nearly as long as I can remember, that our moon
> and the planet Venus are each anything but inert nor lacking
> paramagnetic and diamagnetic properties that are each quite different
> than terrestrial metallicity proportions.
>
> Sandy Wood as having reported that our own galaxy is a composite of
> more than a dozen galactic encounters or mergers of various age and
> metallicity, and that some of this accumulation isn’t necessarily
> tracking along with the original mainstream flow. In addition there’s
> 55~60 million year old fossil remainders as recently discovered new
> species of enormous reptiles and monstrous snakes of Columbia, that
> qualified biologists seem to interpret as having required an
> equatorial environment of at least ten degrees hotter than any
> otherwise known tropical areas, in order for their volumetric bulk to
> have evolved, which might further suggest an extended period or
> evolutionary era of time when Sirius(B) was sufficiently nearby and
> most active before its helium flashover converted its enormous
> residual mass into a white dwarf.
>
> Metallicity can be found almost anywhere (not limited as to just those
> shiny metals we can make into pots and pans or into powerful computers
> for playing video games), except certain elements of great value and
> demand are becoming nearly depleted here on Earth, unless some
> affordable kind of really new and improved technology for extracting
> them rare elements comes along. In most instances the environment has
> to take a major hit in order to extract and process terrestrial
> metals, and in other cases we get to go to war.
>
> Going off-world could eliminate all such metallicity shortages, and
> then some. The nearest resource of complex metallicity is our
> physically dark moon, though also the extremely nearby planet Venus
> can’t be all that metallicity deficient, and a few local asteroids
> seem worth going after.
>
> Perhaps those highly unusual patterns of hot rocks on Venus are just
> being terribly creative, by way of their looking as though arranged
> into a community like infrastructure setting of something perfectly
> suited for that of a large scale mining operation. I mean to suggest
> by way of some practical deductive analogy of using a little
> investigative observationology, as to asking what planet other than
> Earth offers such unusually arranged rocks and modified terrain, in
> that when viewed from a spy satellite looks as though it’s
> intelligently arranged in order to suit some geometrically functional
> needs of applied physics, and that of sustaining its basic implied
> intelligence.
>
> Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
> Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
> “Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> question:
> https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
> https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
> Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
> Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
> “Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> question:
> https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
> https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
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Brad Guth
May 11, 2012, 12:17:18 AM5/11/12
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Our mainstream knowledge about Venus isn’t adequate, nor is it all
that deductively constructive when our public-funded diehard FUD-
masters get to call all the shots. It’s as though they have decided
to obfuscate this one to death, perhaps because my research and
observationology expertise puts their research and jobs at risk.
http://www.mentallandscape.com/V_Vega.htm
“For a time, scientists were satisfied that the clouds of Venus
simply consisted of an aerosol of sulphuric acid droplets. The
scattering experiment on Venera-9 hinted at more complex structure;
and in 1978, Venera-12 and the American Pioneer large probe completely
shattered this simple picture. Venera-12 discovered substantial
amounts of chlorine in the cloud droplets, as well as traces of iron.
And the Pioneer probe's particle-size spectrometer discovered three
distinct population peaks of particle sizes, a tri-modal distribution.
In addition to the expected droplet sizes of the sulphuric-acid
theory, groups of smaller and larger particles were observed. A
controversial theory was proposed that the large "mode-3" particles
were crystals, not spherical droplets.
With improved accuracy, temperature and pressure were measured during
the descent. The unit contained two platinum-wire thermometers, and
three highly accurate pressure sensors, calibrated for 0-2, 0-20 and
2-110 atmospheres. Unfortunately, the unit on Vega-1 malfunctioned. An
improved hygrometer was included to measure water vapor. Venus is a
very dry planet, but water vapor plays a critical role in the
chemistry of its atmosphere, being necessary for the formation of the
cloud aerosol of sulpuric and phosphoric acid.
Two experiments studied the size distribution of aerosol particles.
Both ISAV-A and the LSA experiment passed a minute stream of
atmosphere through a region of strongly focused light. The scattering
of light off individual aerosol droplets. ISAV-A measured the
intensity of reflection in four directions, and the LSA used a
photomultiplier and 256-channel pulse-height analyzer to measure the
temporal profile of particles as they pass by. The ISAV-A unit also
housed a backscatter nephelometer, which looked out into the
atmosphere through a window to measure cloud density. It shared some
of the electronic systems with the UV spectrometer, forming the
overall ISAV
The clouds were found to have the three layer structure first seen by
Venera-9, although the lower boundary was less distinct and extended
to a lower level. Venera-8 saw a similar effect, which may be typical
of the night-time atmosphere. A bi-modal distribution of aerosol
particle sizes were found, but no large "mode-3" population. The small
mode-1 particles are thought by some to be solid grains of aluminum
chloride and ferric chloride, both of which exist as gases in the hot
lower atmosphere. ISAV-A data showed that the mode-2 droplets were
spherical and 80% of them had a refractive index of 1.4, that of
sulphuric acid. The other 20% had an index of 1.7 and may be condensed
sulphur.
X-ray fluorescence spectrometer has been an interesting and important
source of data about cloud aerosol composition. Surkov's team at the
Vernadsky Institute made significant improvements in the accuracy of
the Vega instrument. Chlorine, sulphur and phosphorus were found in
significant amounts in the clouds from 63 to 47 km. And again, iron
was detected, probably in the form of ferric chloride. It is widely
agreed that the upper clouds, of sulphuric acid droplets, result from
photochemical reactions in the upper atmosphere. Vladimir Krasnopolsky
has proposed a thermodynamically consistent theory in which sulphuric
acid begins to decompose down in hotter elevations, and the resulting
water molecules combine with phosphorus oxide to form the lower cloud
aerosol of phosphoric acid solution.
X-ray fluorescence spectrometer has been an interesting and important
source of data about cloud aerosol composition. Surkov's team at the
Vernadsky Institute made significant improvements in the accuracy of
the Vega instrument. Chlorine, sulphur and phosphorus were found in
significant amounts in the clouds from 63 to 47 km. And again, iron
was detected, probably in the form of ferric chloride. It is widely
agreed that the upper clouds, of sulphuric acid droplets, result from
photochemical reactions in the upper atmosphere. Vladimir Krasnopolsky
has proposed a thermodynamically consistent theory in which sulphuric
acid begins to decompose down in hotter elevations, and the resulting
water molecules combine with phosphorus oxide to form the lower cloud
aerosol of phosphoric acid solution.
At 18 km, mysterious electrical impulses in systems and fluctuations
in Doppler tracking occurred. At the same time, a spike in absorption
was recorded by the IVAS-S, probably caused by deposited cloud
material being jarred loose. The shock to Vega-1 drove it upwards at
30 meters/sec (70 mph), triggering the post-touchdown program, and
thus causing the failure of the soil drill experiment. Venera-11 to 14
reported similar electrical disturbances at altitudes of 12 to 18 km,
and all four of the American Pioneer probes experienced electrical
damage in this altitude range, knocking out their temperature and
photometer sensors at about 12 km. The cause of this "shock layer" in
the lower Venusian atmosphere is unknown.“
-
Indeed, off-world exploitation is the future of where some of the more
exotic and/or rare elements of great value are going to come from.
Our moon and the planet Venus may each seem forbidden to some of us,
The future for the upper most .0001% (one out of every million or 7000
individuals) is every bit as looking good or better than ever, however
for the rest of us not so much. Their trick however is to manage the
lower 99.9999% caste of the rest of us into believing that all is
running smoothly and otherwise doing the best that it can, and
otherwise this systematic ruse can always be accomplished by way of
energy in order to make due, plus otherwise for making everything else
consequences doesn’t bother you or anyone else, then we’re good to go.
To some extent, molecular sieves can get utilized for obtaining some
of those more illusive elements (such as He3, He4, H2 and O2), though
What's the insurmountable beef with excavating tunnels via enormous
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
that deductively constructive when our public-funded diehard FUD-
masters get to call all the shots. It’s as though they have decided
to obfuscate this one to death, perhaps because my research and
observationology expertise puts their research and jobs at risk.
http://www.mentallandscape.com/V_Vega.htm
“For a time, scientists were satisfied that the clouds of Venus
simply consisted of an aerosol of sulphuric acid droplets. The
scattering experiment on Venera-9 hinted at more complex structure;
and in 1978, Venera-12 and the American Pioneer large probe completely
shattered this simple picture. Venera-12 discovered substantial
amounts of chlorine in the cloud droplets, as well as traces of iron.
And the Pioneer probe's particle-size spectrometer discovered three
distinct population peaks of particle sizes, a tri-modal distribution.
In addition to the expected droplet sizes of the sulphuric-acid
theory, groups of smaller and larger particles were observed. A
controversial theory was proposed that the large "mode-3" particles
were crystals, not spherical droplets.
With improved accuracy, temperature and pressure were measured during
the descent. The unit contained two platinum-wire thermometers, and
three highly accurate pressure sensors, calibrated for 0-2, 0-20 and
2-110 atmospheres. Unfortunately, the unit on Vega-1 malfunctioned. An
improved hygrometer was included to measure water vapor. Venus is a
very dry planet, but water vapor plays a critical role in the
chemistry of its atmosphere, being necessary for the formation of the
cloud aerosol of sulpuric and phosphoric acid.
Two experiments studied the size distribution of aerosol particles.
Both ISAV-A and the LSA experiment passed a minute stream of
atmosphere through a region of strongly focused light. The scattering
of light off individual aerosol droplets. ISAV-A measured the
intensity of reflection in four directions, and the LSA used a
photomultiplier and 256-channel pulse-height analyzer to measure the
temporal profile of particles as they pass by. The ISAV-A unit also
housed a backscatter nephelometer, which looked out into the
atmosphere through a window to measure cloud density. It shared some
of the electronic systems with the UV spectrometer, forming the
overall ISAV
The clouds were found to have the three layer structure first seen by
Venera-9, although the lower boundary was less distinct and extended
to a lower level. Venera-8 saw a similar effect, which may be typical
of the night-time atmosphere. A bi-modal distribution of aerosol
particle sizes were found, but no large "mode-3" population. The small
mode-1 particles are thought by some to be solid grains of aluminum
chloride and ferric chloride, both of which exist as gases in the hot
lower atmosphere. ISAV-A data showed that the mode-2 droplets were
spherical and 80% of them had a refractive index of 1.4, that of
sulphuric acid. The other 20% had an index of 1.7 and may be condensed
sulphur.
X-ray fluorescence spectrometer has been an interesting and important
source of data about cloud aerosol composition. Surkov's team at the
Vernadsky Institute made significant improvements in the accuracy of
the Vega instrument. Chlorine, sulphur and phosphorus were found in
significant amounts in the clouds from 63 to 47 km. And again, iron
was detected, probably in the form of ferric chloride. It is widely
agreed that the upper clouds, of sulphuric acid droplets, result from
photochemical reactions in the upper atmosphere. Vladimir Krasnopolsky
has proposed a thermodynamically consistent theory in which sulphuric
acid begins to decompose down in hotter elevations, and the resulting
water molecules combine with phosphorus oxide to form the lower cloud
aerosol of phosphoric acid solution.
X-ray fluorescence spectrometer has been an interesting and important
source of data about cloud aerosol composition. Surkov's team at the
Vernadsky Institute made significant improvements in the accuracy of
the Vega instrument. Chlorine, sulphur and phosphorus were found in
significant amounts in the clouds from 63 to 47 km. And again, iron
was detected, probably in the form of ferric chloride. It is widely
agreed that the upper clouds, of sulphuric acid droplets, result from
photochemical reactions in the upper atmosphere. Vladimir Krasnopolsky
has proposed a thermodynamically consistent theory in which sulphuric
acid begins to decompose down in hotter elevations, and the resulting
water molecules combine with phosphorus oxide to form the lower cloud
aerosol of phosphoric acid solution.
At 18 km, mysterious electrical impulses in systems and fluctuations
in Doppler tracking occurred. At the same time, a spike in absorption
was recorded by the IVAS-S, probably caused by deposited cloud
material being jarred loose. The shock to Vega-1 drove it upwards at
30 meters/sec (70 mph), triggering the post-touchdown program, and
thus causing the failure of the soil drill experiment. Venera-11 to 14
reported similar electrical disturbances at altitudes of 12 to 18 km,
and all four of the American Pioneer probes experienced electrical
damage in this altitude range, knocking out their temperature and
photometer sensors at about 12 km. The cause of this "shock layer" in
the lower Venusian atmosphere is unknown.“
-
Indeed, off-world exploitation is the future of where some of the more
exotic and/or rare elements of great value are going to come from.
Our moon and the planet Venus may each seem forbidden to some of us,
but to those of us with independent thought and deductive reasoning,
it’s not nearly as bad or insurmountable as we’ve been otherwise
taught or rather mainstream indoctrinated to believe.
it’s not nearly as bad or insurmountable as we’ve been otherwise
The future for the upper most .0001% (one out of every million or 7000
individuals) is every bit as looking good or better than ever, however
for the rest of us not so much. Their trick however is to manage the
lower 99.9999% caste of the rest of us into believing that all is
running smoothly and otherwise doing the best that it can, and
social/political and faith-based indoctrination.
I can’t ever seem to put my finger upon any singular culprit or
individuals that others will accept as being the most responsible, but
the odds are that we can’t ignore this reality of who’s really in
charge, in that regardless of whomever we elect or appoint it’s not
going to change a damn thing as long as those really in charge have us
as either adequately trained as their minions or simply defeated, in
I can’t ever seem to put my finger upon any singular culprit or
individuals that others will accept as being the most responsible, but
the odds are that we can’t ignore this reality of who’s really in
charge, in that regardless of whomever we elect or appoint it’s not
going to change a damn thing as long as those really in charge have us
order to suit their own motives and agendas.
So, in addition to sustaining those extremely grand lifestyles of the
upper most rich and powerful, our world of brown-nosed clowns and
their well indoctrinated minions still needs resources and lots of
So, in addition to sustaining those extremely grand lifestyles of the
upper most rich and powerful, our world of brown-nosed clowns and
energy in order to make due, plus otherwise for making everything else
happen.
Processing our deepest ocean floors and otherwise via enormous open-
pit mining is always an option, as long as trashing the environment at
the same time as causing global inflation that's forced upon everyone
that can least afford it, and whereas those plus other unavoidable
Processing our deepest ocean floors and otherwise via enormous open-
pit mining is always an option, as long as trashing the environment at
the same time as causing global inflation that's forced upon everyone
consequences doesn’t bother you or anyone else, then we’re good to go.
To some extent, molecular sieves can get utilized for obtaining some
it’ll be a tad-bit spendy, a little slow on delivering whatever
volumes and otherwise extraction limited by whatever nature makes
available in our air and oceans, may not be such a bad idea as long as
we keep ignoring those pesky consequences of continually exploiting
every conceivable thing our planet has to offer, and keep wasting it
we keep ignoring those pesky consequences of continually exploiting
as though the supply is unlimited and the consequences of it’s use are
meaningless to the global environment. Of course, limiting the human
population of Earth to something less than 500 million would also work
wonders.
meaningless to the global environment. Of course, limiting the human
population of Earth to something less than 500 million would also work
What's the insurmountable beef with excavating tunnels via enormous
TBMs, and processing all of that hard rock for obtaining those rare-
earth elements?
So what if nearby asteroids and the moon gets TBM excavated to death
by other than Oligarch Rothschild types?
As long as the supply of rare elements like helium and precious metals
are not disrupted, and blood diamonds plus other gems are never
replaced with much cheaper commercially made crystals of equal or
better quality, all is well. So perhaps the off-world mining trick is
earth elements?
So what if nearby asteroids and the moon gets TBM excavated to death
by other than Oligarch Rothschild types?
As long as the supply of rare elements like helium and precious metals
are not disrupted, and blood diamonds plus other gems are never
replaced with much cheaper commercially made crystals of equal or
to make darn certain that anything derived off-world is always more
spendy than anything terrestrial obtained.
I understand that the below-ground and above-ground resources of
hydrocarbons and many valuable minerals plus rare-earth elements
associated within Muslim run nations is truly considerable, and
otherwise Earth will soon enough need off-world resources of helium,
not to mention any number of those other valuable elements that’ll
lead to global inflation, greater social disparity and wars. I
suppose driving all Islamic and Muslim types off their land is one
method that’ll get the Oligarchs and Rothschilds by for the next
couple centuries, but then what?.
There’s always the off-world exploitation prospects of digging into
spendy than anything terrestrial obtained.
I understand that the below-ground and above-ground resources of
hydrocarbons and many valuable minerals plus rare-earth elements
associated within Muslim run nations is truly considerable, and
otherwise Earth will soon enough need off-world resources of helium,
not to mention any number of those other valuable elements that’ll
lead to global inflation, greater social disparity and wars. I
suppose driving all Islamic and Muslim types off their land is one
method that’ll get the Oligarchs and Rothschilds by for the next
couple centuries, but then what?.
our moon, or just taking whatever nature spits up from within Venus
that can’t be all that worthless.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Brad Guth
May 11, 2012, 10:23:16 PM5/11/12
to
On Apr 13, 11:08 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: *** I have only these comments:
: Just like you're innocent until proven guilty,
: Anything that looks like an intelligent artifact on any heavenly
: body other than Earth is indeed freak of nature, until there is
vetted
: scientific proof to the contrary.
Exactly, as I've always stipulated from the very get-go, that items
depicted within "Guth Venus" are truly quite freakish and otherwise
entirely unheard of as per known geological formations, especially
when combined within that mountainous area which seems to offer a good
dozen "freak of nature" items of truly impressive size and complexity
to pick from.
Speaking about "freak of nature"; how exactly did you and your fellow
redneck ZNRs come to be?
Is becoming a LLPOF brown-nosed clown and/or minion working on behalf
of the Oligarch Semites and Rothschilds that are in charge of most
everything, required before your redneck manhood bully status is
achieved?
In spite of the usual mainstream gauntlet that’ll automatically by
default and applied obfuscation, that always oppose anything that’s
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
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: *** I have only these comments:
: Just like you're innocent until proven guilty,
: Anything that looks like an intelligent artifact on any heavenly
: body other than Earth is indeed freak of nature, until there is
vetted
: scientific proof to the contrary.
Exactly, as I've always stipulated from the very get-go, that items
depicted within "Guth Venus" are truly quite freakish and otherwise
entirely unheard of as per known geological formations, especially
when combined within that mountainous area which seems to offer a good
dozen "freak of nature" items of truly impressive size and complexity
to pick from.
Speaking about "freak of nature"; how exactly did you and your fellow
redneck ZNRs come to be?
Is becoming a LLPOF brown-nosed clown and/or minion working on behalf
of the Oligarch Semites and Rothschilds that are in charge of most
everything, required before your redneck manhood bully status is
achieved?
In spite of the usual mainstream gauntlet that’ll automatically by
new or improved, can be further nullified or if need be circumvented,
as perhaps from yourself and others of any deductive image
interpreting expertise can at least try to add a little something from
their very own observationology talent to this growing list, of
contributing their own interpretation to what an actively thriving
community of an intelligent mining operation should look like, as if
imaged from the perspective of an advanced spy satellite, keeping in
mind that the scale of such items on any given dimension has to be
worth at least 75 meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in
order to count, so for the most part we’re not trying to interpret
anything that’s smaller than 225 meters per geometric dimension.
as perhaps from yourself and others of any deductive image
interpreting expertise can at least try to add a little something from
their very own observationology talent to this growing list, of
contributing their own interpretation to what an actively thriving
community of an intelligent mining operation should look like, as if
imaged from the perspective of an advanced spy satellite, keeping in
mind that the scale of such items on any given dimension has to be
worth at least 75 meters/pixel or preferably larger 225 m/pixel in
order to count, so for the most part we’re not trying to interpret
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
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Brad Guth
May 11, 2012, 10:25:59 PM5/11/12
to
of any significant off-world logistics on behalf of depicting a large
scale mining operation look like from the air, or even better yet from
that perspective of a spendy spy satellite using SAR (Synthetic
Aperture Radar) imaging that’s peering downward at 43 degrees, as for
compiling a derivative composite image from 36 confirming scans per
pixel, and subsequently should this image tend to look like anything
the least bit unusual?
For such a pressure-cooker environment, shouldn’t there be any number
the least bit unusual?
of large scale structures, possibly including a nearby airstrip or
some sort of relatively flat surface for shuttles or even for
accommodating extremely large industrial airships to utilize?
If there’s any nearby deeply eroded or lava-flow created ravine or
some sort of relatively flat surface for shuttles or even for
accommodating extremely large industrial airships to utilize?
If there’s any nearby deeply eroded or lava-flow created ravine or
otherwise naturally formed canyon, shouldn’t that sort of vertically
offset terrain be logical as to our radar imaging capability detecting
some kind of bridge, if such existed?
offset terrain be logical as to our radar imaging capability detecting
some kind of bridge, if such existed?
For their local construction purposes, shouldn’t there logically be a
nearby geometric reformed or modified area of a bedrock quarry site,
or two or three?
If having an atmospheric density worth 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy and only
90.5% gravity was the norm; what might a suitably commercial or
industrial class of large airship look like?
How and/or where upon such a toasty planet would that sort of large
airship be parked or safely stored until use? (in other words, what
sort of local infrastructure would be necessary for accommodating such
an industrial mining ore/cargo hauling airships?)
If having an atmospheric density worth 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy and only
90.5% gravity was the norm; what might a suitably commercial or
industrial class of large airship look like?
How and/or where upon such a toasty planet would that sort of large
airship be parked or safely stored until use? (in other words, what
sort of local infrastructure would be necessary for accommodating such
If the planet were geologically active and obviously science
crazy; shouldn’t there be a few natural and possibly artificial
reservoirs of local fluids that by rights of physics shouldn’t boil
off?
off?
If this were to be an actual ET or indigenous mining operation;
wouldn’t the assortment and arrangement of such infrastructure have to
further suggest a rational community like layout or city/town like
configuration?
If this were all situated within a highly mountainous terrain;
wouldn’t this community of large geometric structures and their
infrastructure need to look very much out of place from the otherwise
wouldn’t the assortment and arrangement of such infrastructure have to
further suggest a rational community like layout or city/town like
configuration?
If this were all situated within a highly mountainous terrain;
wouldn’t this community of large geometric structures and their
random geology happenstance of nature, or at the very least interpret
as way out of ordinary from anything mother or father nature could
have accomplished?
If the local terrain indicated by all sorts of science as having been
geologically active, and if there were multiple signs of substantial
ongoing heavy and/or dense gas/vapor venting of any sort of hot and
potential metallicity content; as such shouldn’t a pattern of that
vented outflow also be detected by the same SAR/SIR-C imaging methods?
ongoing heavy and/or dense gas/vapor venting of any sort of hot and
potential metallicity content; as such shouldn’t a pattern of that
I’m certain if we start exploiting the full metallicity worth of our
moon, that when such efforts are viewed even from Earth, amateur
astronomers will be capable of imaging with sufficient resolution and
with colors/hues plus more than adequate dynamic range of contrast, as
to seeing our surface structures and identify their rational community
like infrastructure. Of course, surface mining the naked moon would
be a very difficult and risky consideration (unless it were mostly
accomplished via TBMs operating entirely inside the mostly
paramagnetic basalt crust of the moon), than doing Venus that’s most
astronomers will be capable of imaging with sufficient resolution and
with colors/hues plus more than adequate dynamic range of contrast, as
to seeing our surface structures and identify their rational community
like infrastructure. Of course, surface mining the naked moon would
be a very difficult and risky consideration (unless it were mostly
accomplished via TBMs operating entirely inside the mostly
likely considerably hotter inside than on the surface.
In spite of the usual mainstream gauntlet that’ll automatically by
Brad Guth
May 11, 2012, 10:34:55 PM5/11/12
to
Speaking of mining off-world (exploiting asteroids, moons and other
planets):
At least at first glance it would be a very good thing to stay as
close as possible to mother Earth. However LEO, GSO and polar orbits
are getting a wee bit crowded, and not all of those satellites are
capable of avoidance navigation, in that keeping whatever asteroid
mining outside of our satellite traffic gridlock seems perfectly
logical (naturally our moons would qualify, but so would the extremely
nearby planet Venus).
Adding retrogrades and crisscrossing polars to an already crowded and
somewhat dysfunctional traffic jam that’s organized by a great deal of
bully arrogance and random happenstance, is getting less manageable
even for the most advanced nations to deal with, especially when items
and debris is going retrograde as well as every which way.
“A Minefield in Earth Orbit: How Space Debris Is Spinning Out of
Control“
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-space-debris-spinning-out-of-control
I still have my doubts, about our current K12 generation, as to their
mainstream indoctrinated perceptions that the extremely nearby planet
Venus is a very dry hole (so to speak), at least I’m holding out until
a specific science instrument for detecting and quantifying H2CO3
(quantifying supercritical carbonic acid) is deployed within and below
those extremely thick clouds of Venus.
Superheated steam or disconnected molecules of water plus CO2 vapor at
96 bar and 735 K at the surface is not going to be the same density
kind of composite molecular thing as ordinary saturated wet-steam
that’s easily detectable and quantified via remote science.
superheated acidic water vapor that Venus has to offer.
little centrifugal physics for accomplishing molecular separation, is
course there’s also another buoyant composite element of supercritical
sulfuric acid vapor(H2SO4) to contend with, including an atmospheric
layer of mostly S8. An atmosphere of supercritical H2CO3+ H2SO4 and
its impressive 12 ppm worth of 4He that’s continually upwelling and
unavoidably migrating away from Venus, is getting this research way
more than a little complex.
At one bar (14.7 psi) pure H2SO4 doesn’t even boil until 610 K (the S8
element needs 718 K at 1 bar), so we should expect at 96 bar is where
that element of sulfur doesn’t boil off. This makes me believe that
liquid sulfur or sufficiently acidic brines would likely represent
what can be seen as fluid within that reservoir, which I’ve pointed
out for more than a decade.
Of course whatever acidic or brackish mineral surface water as most
likely geothermally spewed along with lava or hot mud is going to take
a little something extra to vaporize whatever fluids (depending on the
BTW; it takes a lot hotter than 100C to boil blood, namely 124.4C at
one bar. I’m not suggesting that our blood wouldn’t boil at 735 K(462
C and 96 bar), but it’s not going to take as much protective suit
cooling as you might think.
Unlike a mostly freeze-dried or frozen to death Mars that hasn’t been
venting squat for millions of years, Venus hasn’t been behaving like
it should, and quite unlike those rainy plains of Spain, it absolutely
never rains on the plains of Venus (day or night), but none the less
the whole planet is still geothermally venting raw elements like
crazy.
Exploiting Venus with TBMs is perhaps not such a good idea, with every
km depth adding several K to that surface temperature of 735 K, seems
to be asking for trouble.
The core temperature of Earth is perhaps worth 6500 K, whereas the
core of Venus could easily be worth as great as 7000 K. Although
interpreted by way of those in physics, that’s asking a bit much even
“The temperature of shock compressed iron has been measured to 340
GPa, using well characterized iron films sputtered on transparent
diamond substrates and a 1 ns time-resolved optical method. We find a
knee on the (P,T) iron Hugoniot indicating melting at 6350 K and 235
GPa and at 6720 K and 300 GPa. An extrapolation yields an iron melting
temperature of 6830 (± 500) K at 330 GPa, the pressure of the Earth
inner-outer core boundary.”
It has also been estimated and/or speculated by independent research
degree of water, even somewhat carbonated water (H2CO3) which in of
itself is highly acidic which can’t be a dry inert substance.
http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/venus-workshop-submission/files/barstow_joanna-24.pdf
“Probes from the Pioneer Venus mission discovered that, below the
clouds, the atmosphere contains about 0.1 to 0.4 percent water vapor
and 60 parts per million of free oxygen.”
With only 0.1 to 0.4% water below those clouds and just 60 ppm O2
isn’t all that much to work with, unless we’re going there with
sufficient life-support technology that includes molecular sieves that
can filter out or pass along most any desired molecules. Liquid and
vapor ionic filters can also be put to good use.
Of course most of our Venus cloud and surface science is still not
truly objective, and thereby each and every scientific instrument
probe improvement keeps giving us different data to subjectively model
with. Russian science is still better than most, although the ongoing
stream of science data from ESA’s Venus EXPRESS that’s badly
instrument handicapped, is gradually improving upon the limited
science it has to work with (or perhaps they're just intentionally
holding back because of what that planet has to offer).
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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planets):
At least at first glance it would be a very good thing to stay as
close as possible to mother Earth. However LEO, GSO and polar orbits
are getting a wee bit crowded, and not all of those satellites are
capable of avoidance navigation, in that keeping whatever asteroid
mining outside of our satellite traffic gridlock seems perfectly
logical (naturally our moons would qualify, but so would the extremely
nearby planet Venus).
Adding retrogrades and crisscrossing polars to an already crowded and
somewhat dysfunctional traffic jam that’s organized by a great deal of
bully arrogance and random happenstance, is getting less manageable
even for the most advanced nations to deal with, especially when items
and debris is going retrograde as well as every which way.
“A Minefield in Earth Orbit: How Space Debris Is Spinning Out of
Control“
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-space-debris-spinning-out-of-control
I still have my doubts, about our current K12 generation, as to their
mainstream indoctrinated perceptions that the extremely nearby planet
Venus is a very dry hole (so to speak), at least I’m holding out until
a specific science instrument for detecting and quantifying H2CO3
(quantifying supercritical carbonic acid) is deployed within and below
those extremely thick clouds of Venus.
Superheated steam or disconnected molecules of water plus CO2 vapor at
96 bar and 735 K at the surface is not going to be the same density
kind of composite molecular thing as ordinary saturated wet-steam
that’s easily detectable and quantified via remote science.
Superheated steam is commonly referred to as dry steam, and that’s the
vast majority kind of supercritical plus carbonated kind of
superheated acidic water vapor that Venus has to offer.
http://enpub.fulton.asu.edu/ece340/pdf/steam_tables.PDF
http://eng-calculations.com/Superheated%20Steam.aspx/Superheated%20Steam.aspx
At 96 bar, water doesn’t even vaporize until it gets above 581.2 K,
and at that its density is only worth 52.73 kg/m3 (47.7 kg/m3 on
Venus), and otherwise at 735 K its physical property of dry steam
density drops to 29.2 kg/m3. Being that the surface buoyancy of that
atmosphere is worth 65 kg/m3, means understandably that any given
volume of superheated steam is going to rise quickly, and especially
fast if its geothermal source was any hotter than 735 K.
By artificially cooling plus via vacuum distillation and perhaps a
http://eng-calculations.com/Superheated%20Steam.aspx/Superheated%20Steam.aspx
At 96 bar, water doesn’t even vaporize until it gets above 581.2 K,
and at that its density is only worth 52.73 kg/m3 (47.7 kg/m3 on
Venus), and otherwise at 735 K its physical property of dry steam
density drops to 29.2 kg/m3. Being that the surface buoyancy of that
atmosphere is worth 65 kg/m3, means understandably that any given
volume of superheated steam is going to rise quickly, and especially
fast if its geothermal source was any hotter than 735 K.
little centrifugal physics for accomplishing molecular separation, is
how that highly carbonated and otherwise superheated steam of H2CO3
(aka “carbonic acid”) gets to be easily extracted as H2O and CO2. Of
course there’s also another buoyant composite element of supercritical
sulfuric acid vapor(H2SO4) to contend with, including an atmospheric
layer of mostly S8. An atmosphere of supercritical H2CO3+ H2SO4 and
its impressive 12 ppm worth of 4He that’s continually upwelling and
unavoidably migrating away from Venus, is getting this research way
more than a little complex.
At one bar (14.7 psi) pure H2SO4 doesn’t even boil until 610 K (the S8
element needs 718 K at 1 bar), so we should expect at 96 bar is where
that element of sulfur doesn’t boil off. This makes me believe that
liquid sulfur or sufficiently acidic brines would likely represent
what can be seen as fluid within that reservoir, which I’ve pointed
out for more than a decade.
Of course whatever acidic or brackish mineral surface water as most
likely geothermally spewed along with lava or hot mud is going to take
a little something extra to vaporize whatever fluids (depending on the
molecular composite and those various molecular binding
considerations), such as carbonated water (H2CO3) at 96 bar has to
become a few percent higher density, is all together another twisted
physics outcome when heated to 735 K. The molecular element of pure
water on Venus only weighs 904 kg per our terrestrial m3, though as
having its volumetric expansion coefficient of .000214 (1/oC), at 735
K is going to have roughly 9.5% less density as is (having to occupy
roughly 9.5% more volume), and if it didn’t vaporize it would
represent 818 kg per Venus m3 at 735 K, plus all of that surrounding
CO2 at 96 bar and 735 K is a highly supercritical vapor with a
buoyancy factor of 65 kg/m3. In other words, a liquid cubic meter of
pure water is 818 –65 = 753 kg/m3, but then because of that being
supercritical CO2 plus superheated H2O is why it all gets extremely
complicated and it’s quite easy to make mistakes due to all of these
variables that should always be taken into account.
having its volumetric expansion coefficient of .000214 (1/oC), at 735
K is going to have roughly 9.5% less density as is (having to occupy
roughly 9.5% more volume), and if it didn’t vaporize it would
represent 818 kg per Venus m3 at 735 K, plus all of that surrounding
CO2 at 96 bar and 735 K is a highly supercritical vapor with a
buoyancy factor of 65 kg/m3. In other words, a liquid cubic meter of
pure water is 818 –65 = 753 kg/m3, but then because of that being
supercritical CO2 plus superheated H2O is why it all gets extremely
complicated and it’s quite easy to make mistakes due to all of these
BTW; it takes a lot hotter than 100C to boil blood, namely 124.4C at
one bar. I’m not suggesting that our blood wouldn’t boil at 735 K(462
C and 96 bar), but it’s not going to take as much protective suit
cooling as you might think.
Unlike a mostly freeze-dried or frozen to death Mars that hasn’t been
venting squat for millions of years, Venus hasn’t been behaving like
it should, and quite unlike those rainy plains of Spain, it absolutely
never rains on the plains of Venus (day or night), but none the less
the whole planet is still geothermally venting raw elements like
crazy.
Exploiting Venus with TBMs is perhaps not such a good idea, with every
km depth adding several K to that surface temperature of 735 K, seems
to be asking for trouble.
The core temperature of Earth is perhaps worth 6500 K, whereas the
interpreted by way of those in physics, that’s asking a bit much even
for the boiling of thorium at 5061 K. 5500 K could be a more likely
maximum fission temperature of Earth’s supposedly iron core and
perhaps at most 6500 K for Venus, because any much hotter fission than
6500K and Venus would still be sparkling like a star (our sun’s
photosphere at 5778 K). Of course with the surrounding thick and
dense atmosphere that’s protecting Venus is also insulating it while
allowing a small amount of solar energy in.
maximum fission temperature of Earth’s supposedly iron core and
perhaps at most 6500 K for Venus, because any much hotter fission than
6500K and Venus would still be sparkling like a star (our sun’s
photosphere at 5778 K). Of course with the surrounding thick and
dense atmosphere that’s protecting Venus is also insulating it while
“The temperature of shock compressed iron has been measured to 340
GPa, using well characterized iron films sputtered on transparent
diamond substrates and a 1 ns time-resolved optical method. We find a
knee on the (P,T) iron Hugoniot indicating melting at 6350 K and 235
GPa and at 6720 K and 300 GPa. An extrapolation yields an iron melting
temperature of 6830 (± 500) K at 330 GPa, the pressure of the Earth
inner-outer core boundary.”
that Venus has been radiating 20.5 w/m2 away from it’s core of fission
energy. This thermal imbalance is a very good thing, considering that
its current surface temperature is not too much blow our upper working
technology limits of 825 K (1025 F). However, with a differential of
512 C (785 K) between its worse than toasty surface and just above the
nighttime haze of those cryosphere cloud tops (72+ km), is
representing an impressive thermodynamic differential resource of
energy.
Venus is not actually without its water vapor. It seems with each and
energy. This thermal imbalance is a very good thing, considering that
its current surface temperature is not too much blow our upper working
technology limits of 825 K (1025 F). However, with a differential of
512 C (785 K) between its worse than toasty surface and just above the
nighttime haze of those cryosphere cloud tops (72+ km), is
representing an impressive thermodynamic differential resource of
energy.
every scientific improved method is turning up greater amounts of
water vapor, depending on how the science gets interpreted.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103511003423
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103511002351
Those extremely thick (45+ km including layers of haze) of such
water vapor, depending on how the science gets interpreted.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103511003423
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103511002351
highly acidic clouds are not made of dry/inert crystals, and it’s not
possible to have those sulfuric acid droplets without some molecular
degree of water, even somewhat carbonated water (H2CO3) which in of
itself is highly acidic which can’t be a dry inert substance.
http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/venus-workshop-submission/files/barstow_joanna-24.pdf
“Probes from the Pioneer Venus mission discovered that, below the
clouds, the atmosphere contains about 0.1 to 0.4 percent water vapor
and 60 parts per million of free oxygen.”
With only 0.1 to 0.4% water below those clouds and just 60 ppm O2
isn’t all that much to work with, unless we’re going there with
can filter out or pass along most any desired molecules. Liquid and
vapor ionic filters can also be put to good use.
Of course most of our Venus cloud and surface science is still not
truly objective, and thereby each and every scientific instrument
probe improvement keeps giving us different data to subjectively model
with. Russian science is still better than most, although the ongoing
stream of science data from ESA’s Venus EXPRESS that’s badly
science it has to work with (or perhaps they're just intentionally
holding back because of what that planet has to offer).
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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Venus may have been a forbidden planet, but not for long.
There’s always the off-world exploitation prospects of digging into
our moon, or just taking whatever nature spits up from within Venus
that can’t be all that worthless.
> http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/venus-workshop-submission/files/barstow_joan...
There’s always the off-world exploitation prospects of digging into
our moon, or just taking whatever nature spits up from within Venus
that can’t be all that worthless.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
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https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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On May 11, 7:34 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking of mining off-world (exploiting asteroids, moons and other
> planets):
> At least at first glance it would be a very good thing to stay as
> close as possible to mother Earth. However LEO, GSO and polar orbits
> are getting a wee bit crowded, and not all of those satellites are
> capable of avoidance navigation, in that keeping whatever asteroid
> mining outside of our satellite traffic gridlock seems perfectly
> logical (naturally our moons would qualify, but so would the extremely
> nearby planet Venus).
>
> Adding retrogrades and crisscrossing polars to an already crowded and
> somewhat dysfunctional traffic jam that’s organized by a great deal of
> bully arrogance and random happenstance, is getting less manageable
> even for the most advanced nations to deal with, especially when items
> and debris is going retrograde as well as every which way.
>
> “A Minefield in Earth Orbit: How Space Debris Is Spinning Out of
> Control“
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-space-debris-spi...
> Speaking of mining off-world (exploiting asteroids, moons and other
> planets):
> At least at first glance it would be a very good thing to stay as
> close as possible to mother Earth. However LEO, GSO and polar orbits
> are getting a wee bit crowded, and not all of those satellites are
> capable of avoidance navigation, in that keeping whatever asteroid
> mining outside of our satellite traffic gridlock seems perfectly
> logical (naturally our moons would qualify, but so would the extremely
> nearby planet Venus).
>
> Adding retrogrades and crisscrossing polars to an already crowded and
> somewhat dysfunctional traffic jam that’s organized by a great deal of
> bully arrogance and random happenstance, is getting less manageable
> even for the most advanced nations to deal with, especially when items
> and debris is going retrograde as well as every which way.
>
> “A Minefield in Earth Orbit: How Space Debris Is Spinning Out of
> Control“
>
> I still have my doubts, about our current K12 generation, as to their
> mainstream indoctrinated perceptions that the extremely nearby planet
> Venus is a very dry hole (so to speak), at least I’m holding out until
> a specific science instrument for detecting and quantifying H2CO3
> (quantifying supercritical carbonic acid) is deployed within and below
> those extremely thick clouds of Venus.
>
> Superheated steam or disconnected molecules of water plus CO2 vapor at
> 96 bar and 735 K at the surface is not going to be the same density
> kind of composite molecular thing as ordinary saturated wet-steam
> that’s easily detectable and quantified via remote science.
> Superheated steam is commonly referred to as dry steam, and that’s the
> vast majority kind of supercritical plus carbonated kind of
> superheated acidic water vapor that Venus has to offer.
> http://enpub.fulton.asu.edu/ece340/pdf/steam_tables.PDF
> http://eng-calculations.com/Superheated%20Steam.aspx/Superheated%20St...
> I still have my doubts, about our current K12 generation, as to their
> mainstream indoctrinated perceptions that the extremely nearby planet
> Venus is a very dry hole (so to speak), at least I’m holding out until
> a specific science instrument for detecting and quantifying H2CO3
> (quantifying supercritical carbonic acid) is deployed within and below
> those extremely thick clouds of Venus.
>
> Superheated steam or disconnected molecules of water plus CO2 vapor at
> 96 bar and 735 K at the surface is not going to be the same density
> kind of composite molecular thing as ordinary saturated wet-steam
> that’s easily detectable and quantified via remote science.
> Superheated steam is commonly referred to as dry steam, and that’s the
> vast majority kind of supercritical plus carbonated kind of
> superheated acidic water vapor that Venus has to offer.
> http://enpub.fulton.asu.edu/ece340/pdf/steam_tables.PDF
HVAC
May 16, 2012, 10:16:27 AM5/16/12
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On 5/16/2012 9:27 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
> Venus may have been a forbidden planet, but not for long.
Venus isn't a forbidden planet...It's a gay planet.
> Venus may have been a forbidden planet, but not for long.
The only people interested in Venus are queerish.
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
Brad Guth
May 17, 2012, 12:35:25 PM5/17/12
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Venus has more than its fair share of helium, at 12 ppm is a
considerable amount of 4He considering it's thick and dense
atmosphere, 90% gravity and way hotter environment with hardly any
protective magnetosphere to fend off those solar winds.
considerable amount of 4He considering it's thick and dense
atmosphere, 90% gravity and way hotter environment with hardly any
protective magnetosphere to fend off those solar winds.
Brad Guth
May 17, 2012, 1:06:04 PM5/17/12
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Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly a considerable
bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e4940608c2f38969/b01306d26918d21f#b01306d26918d21f
Our 4He reserves are about to run out, and the natural geology
diffusion rate of 4He isn’t going to cover 1% of our future
terrestrial needs. This is becoming a serious problem that’ll have
future generations asking; what the hell were their parents and
grandparents thinking?
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On Mar 24, 4:39 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What should the natural terrain and whatever 3D plan-view site of any
> there be a few natural and possibly artificial reservoirs of fluids?
> geology happenstance of nature, or at the very least way out of
> of imaging sufficient resolution to see our surface structures and
> inside of the moon), than doing Venus that’s probably considerably
than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly a considerable
amount of 4He considering it's thick and dense atmosphere, 90% gravity
and its way hotter environment with hardly any protective
magnetosphere to fend off those solar winds.
“How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e4940608c2f38969/b01306d26918d21f#b01306d26918d21f
Our 4He reserves are about to run out, and the natural geology
diffusion rate of 4He isn’t going to cover 1% of our future
terrestrial needs. This is becoming a serious problem that’ll have
future generations asking; what the hell were their parents and
grandparents thinking?
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> What should the natural terrain and whatever 3D plan-view site of any
> significant off-world logistics on behalf of depicting a large scale
> mining operation look like from the air, or better yet from that
> perspective of a spendy spy satellite using SAR (Synthetic Aperture
> Radar) imaging, that’s peering downward at 43 degrees and compiling a
> derivative composite image from 36 confirming scans per pixel, tend to
> look like?
>
> Shouldn’t there be any number of large scale structures, possibly
> derivative composite image from 36 confirming scans per pixel, tend to
> look like?
>
> including a nearby airstrip or some sort of relatively flat surface
> for shuttles or even for accommodating extremely large industrial
> airships to utilize?
>
> If there’s any nearby deeply eroded or lava-flow created ravine or
> for shuttles or even for accommodating extremely large industrial
> airships to utilize?
>
> If there’s any nearby deeply eroded or lava-flow created ravine or
> natural formed canyon, shouldn’t that sort of vertically offset
> terrain be logical as to our detecting some kind of bridge?
>
> terrain be logical as to our detecting some kind of bridge?
>
> For their local construction purposes, shouldn’t there logically be a
> nearby geometric reformed area of a bedrock quarry site, or two or
> three?
>
> If having an atmospheric density worth 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy and only
> 90.5% gravity was the norm; what might a suitably commercial or
> industrial class of large airship look like?
>
> How and/or where upon such a toasty planet would that sort of large
> airship be parked or safely stored until use? (in other words, what
> sort of local infrastructure would be necessary for accommodating such
> an industrial mining ore/cargo hauling airship?)
>
> If having an atmospheric density worth 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy and only
> 90.5% gravity was the norm; what might a suitably commercial or
> industrial class of large airship look like?
>
> How and/or where upon such a toasty planet would that sort of large
> airship be parked or safely stored until use? (in other words, what
> sort of local infrastructure would be necessary for accommodating such
>
> If the planet were geologically active and obviously science
> quantified as venting new atmospheric elements like crazy; shouldn’t
> If the planet were geologically active and obviously science
> there be a few natural and possibly artificial reservoirs of fluids?
>
> If this were to be an actual ET or indigenous mining operation;
> wouldn’t the assortment and arrangement of such infrastructure have to
> further suggest a rational community like layout or city/town like
> configuration?
>
> If this were all situated within a highly mountainous terrain;
> wouldn’t this community of large geometric structures and their
> infrastructure need to look very much out of place from the random
> If this were to be an actual ET or indigenous mining operation;
> wouldn’t the assortment and arrangement of such infrastructure have to
> further suggest a rational community like layout or city/town like
> configuration?
>
> If this were all situated within a highly mountainous terrain;
> wouldn’t this community of large geometric structures and their
> geology happenstance of nature, or at the very least way out of
> ordinary from anything mother or father nature could have
> accomplished?
>
> If the local terrain indicated as having been geologically active, and
> accomplished?
>
> if there were multiple signs of substantial ongoing heavy and/or dense
> gas/vapor venting of any sort of hot and potential metallicity
> content; as such shouldn’t a pattern of that vented outflow also be
> detected by the same SAR imaging methods?
> gas/vapor venting of any sort of hot and potential metallicity
> content; as such shouldn’t a pattern of that vented outflow also be
>
> I’m certain if we start exploiting the full metallicity worth of our
> moon, that when viewed from Earth, amateur astronomers will be capable
> I’m certain if we start exploiting the full metallicity worth of our
> of imaging sufficient resolution to see our surface structures and
> identify their rational community like infrastructure. Of course,
> mining the naked moon would be a very difficult and risky
> consideration (unless mostly accomplished via TBMs operating entirely
> inside of the moon), than doing Venus that’s probably considerably
> hotter inside than on the surface.
>
>
> Perhaps yourself and others can add a little something else to this
> list of what an actively thriving community of an intelligent mining
> operation should look like from an advanced spy satellite perspective,
> keeping in mind that the scale of such items has to be worth at least
> 75 meters/pixel or larger in order to count.
>
> list of what an actively thriving community of an intelligent mining
> operation should look like from an advanced spy satellite perspective,
> keeping in mind that the scale of such items has to be worth at least
> 75 meters/pixel or larger in order to count.
>
> Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
> Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
> “Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
> Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Brad Guth
May 17, 2012, 2:02:44 PM5/17/12
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Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
“How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”
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diffusion rate of 4He isn’t going to cover 1% of our future
terrestrial needs. This is fast becoming a serious problem
(especially as India and China get with their own advancing technology
that needs 4He) that’ll have future generations asking; what the hell
Brad Guth
May 19, 2012, 2:49:52 PM5/19/12
to
Off-world 4He and especially 3He may soon become the only affordable
option. This would be a very good thing for salvaging our thin layer
of highly charged O3.
Helium/4He acts very much like an inert and indestructible golf ball
to that of any three Velcro covered basketballs representing O3. 4He
is just small and tough enough to work its way around and through the
likes of any threesome of Velcro covered basketballs, which as
representing ozone stick to each other in threes and thereby creating
a terrific UV shield plus attenuating other nasty radiation. 4He is
acting somewhat like a release agent, allowing other molecules to not
get so sticky or collected that they can’t individually go with the
flow (so to speak) and recirculate as O2s instead of O3s.
Since O3 is essentially highly charged O2s, there’s a reasonably good
chance that any nearby 4He is simply getting ionized and thus
discharging the O3s so that each O2 unbinds into individually
discharged O2s. This doesn’t have to mean that CFCs are ozone
friendly.
Lucky for us, we’re helping mother nature get rid of O3 along with
purging all the accessible stored helium, and we’ve already oversold
or overbooked the natural fission production of helium by a good
1000:1, because 99.9% of what gets created within Earth is going to
continually escape to space regardless of our best intentions and
efforts to capture it before it gets away. What remains affordably
accessible to us are those deep geode pockets or layers of natural gas
that’s includes accumulations of helium, and we’re going hard at
extracting those plus otherwise fracking it from places where geode
pockets of gas and oil don’t happen to exist.
Give or take a decade, by 2050 we’ll be sorry in a whole lot more ways
than not being able to fill those party balloons with helium.
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option. This would be a very good thing for salvaging our thin layer
of highly charged O3.
Helium/4He acts very much like an inert and indestructible golf ball
to that of any three Velcro covered basketballs representing O3. 4He
is just small and tough enough to work its way around and through the
likes of any threesome of Velcro covered basketballs, which as
representing ozone stick to each other in threes and thereby creating
a terrific UV shield plus attenuating other nasty radiation. 4He is
acting somewhat like a release agent, allowing other molecules to not
get so sticky or collected that they can’t individually go with the
flow (so to speak) and recirculate as O2s instead of O3s.
Since O3 is essentially highly charged O2s, there’s a reasonably good
chance that any nearby 4He is simply getting ionized and thus
discharging the O3s so that each O2 unbinds into individually
discharged O2s. This doesn’t have to mean that CFCs are ozone
friendly.
Lucky for us, we’re helping mother nature get rid of O3 along with
purging all the accessible stored helium, and we’ve already oversold
or overbooked the natural fission production of helium by a good
1000:1, because 99.9% of what gets created within Earth is going to
continually escape to space regardless of our best intentions and
efforts to capture it before it gets away. What remains affordably
accessible to us are those deep geode pockets or layers of natural gas
that’s includes accumulations of helium, and we’re going hard at
extracting those plus otherwise fracking it from places where geode
pockets of gas and oil don’t happen to exist.
Give or take a decade, by 2050 we’ll be sorry in a whole lot more ways
than not being able to fill those party balloons with helium.
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On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
> bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e49406...
> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
Brad Guth
May 20, 2012, 4:53:42 PM5/20/12
to
We're almost there, or at least gotten ourselves past the 4He tipping
point of peak helium. From here on out it only gets spendy.
Off-world 4He and especially 3He may soon (within the next generation)
become the only affordable option. This would also be a very good
reasonably good chance that any nearby 4He that comes in contact is
simply getting ionized, and thus discharging the O3s so that each O2
ozone friendly.
Lucky for us, we’re helping mother nature get rid of polar ozone/O3
along with purging all the accessible stored helium we can find, and
going hard at extracting those reservoirs plus otherwise fracking it
from places where geode pockets or pools of gas and oil don’t happen
helium.
For obtaining those off-world resources, EML1(Earth Moon L1)
represents a terrific zero delta-V gateway or OASIS from which any
amount of mass could be sent on its way with the push-off from a pinky
finger, using the moon or Earth gravity as the initial propulsion (aka
free of charge), not to mention dipole tether energy of teravolts and
the farads represented by the moon itself.
From within the moon should be considerable hydrogen, helium and
oxygen, not to mention heavy metals and most of everything in
between. The extremely nearby planet Venus should represent a good
hundred fold more of the same.
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point of peak helium. From here on out it only gets spendy.
Off-world 4He and especially 3He may soon (within the next generation)
become the only affordable option. This would also be a very good
thing for salvaging our thin layer of highly charged O3.
Helium/4He acts very much like an inert and indestructible golf ball
to that of any three Velcro covered basketballs representing O3. 4He
is just small and tough enough to work its way around and through the
likes of any threesome of Velcro covered basketballs, which as
representing ozone stick to each other in threes and thereby creating
a terrific UV shield plus attenuating other nasty radiation. 4He is
acting somewhat like a release agent, allowing other molecules to not
get so sticky or collected that they can’t individually go with the
flow (so to speak) and recirculate as O2s instead of O3s.
Since O3 is essentially comprised of highly charged O2s, there’s a
Helium/4He acts very much like an inert and indestructible golf ball
to that of any three Velcro covered basketballs representing O3. 4He
is just small and tough enough to work its way around and through the
likes of any threesome of Velcro covered basketballs, which as
representing ozone stick to each other in threes and thereby creating
a terrific UV shield plus attenuating other nasty radiation. 4He is
acting somewhat like a release agent, allowing other molecules to not
get so sticky or collected that they can’t individually go with the
flow (so to speak) and recirculate as O2s instead of O3s.
reasonably good chance that any nearby 4He that comes in contact is
simply getting ionized, and thus discharging the O3s so that each O2
unbinds into individually discharged O2s. This doesn’t have to mean
that CFCs and the subsequent chlorine plus a few other culprits are
ozone friendly.
Lucky for us, we’re helping mother nature get rid of polar ozone/O3
along with purging all the accessible stored helium we can find, and
we’ve already oversold or overbooked the natural fission production of
helium by a good 1000:1, because 99.9% of what gets created within
Earth is going to continually escape to space regardless of our best
intentions and efforts to capture it before it gets away. What
remains affordably accessible to us are those deep geode pockets or
layers of natural gas that includes accumulations of helium, and we’re
helium by a good 1000:1, because 99.9% of what gets created within
Earth is going to continually escape to space regardless of our best
intentions and efforts to capture it before it gets away. What
remains affordably accessible to us are those deep geode pockets or
going hard at extracting those reservoirs plus otherwise fracking it
from places where geode pockets or pools of gas and oil don’t happen
to exist.
Give or take a decade, by 2050 we’ll be sorry in a whole lot more ways
than not being able to affordably fill those party balloons with
Give or take a decade, by 2050 we’ll be sorry in a whole lot more ways
helium.
For obtaining those off-world resources, EML1(Earth Moon L1)
represents a terrific zero delta-V gateway or OASIS from which any
amount of mass could be sent on its way with the push-off from a pinky
finger, using the moon or Earth gravity as the initial propulsion (aka
free of charge), not to mention dipole tether energy of teravolts and
the farads represented by the moon itself.
From within the moon should be considerable hydrogen, helium and
oxygen, not to mention heavy metals and most of everything in
between. The extremely nearby planet Venus should represent a good
hundred fold more of the same.
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On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
> bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e49406...
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
Brad Guth
May 24, 2012, 10:32:12 AM5/24/12
to
Venus may still be mainstream forbidden/taboo, but it does seem to
have more than its fair share of helium, and that’s a very good thing
for our planet that’s about to run out.
Currently our terrestrial 4He simply isn’t rare enough to worry about,
as well as we’re running out of artificial storage capacity for it,
and the surplus is just getting vented or passed along with the
natural gas that’s used by everyone. However, within this decade
that’s about to change, because by 2030 its availability isn’t going
to be sufficient nor endless.
As 4He migrates through the 30 km layer of O3s, it tends to lubricate
or liberate O3s as the UV interacts with O1, O2, O3+4He, because the
aerosol of 4He gets to come in direct contact with anything in its
path.
As 4He comes in direct contact with O1+O2 (O3) as the threesome or tri-
atomic of big oxygen atoms, the molecular binding process that makes
O3 can be disrupted and even neutralized by the much smaller 4He atom
passing through.
When 4He is not ionized it acts as a perfect nonconductive insulator
(molecular lubricant), and if excited or ionized is when it highly
conducts between other molecules. Because 4He doesn’t directly bind
with anything, makes it an ideal molecular independent or freelance
agent that gets to do (act/react) as it pleases. This kind of aerosol
freelance or nomadic ability is not a good thing for the threesome of
ozone, and the more of it that we release the more disruptive it is
for sustaining the O3/ozone layer that some of us believe is highly is
beneficial to life as we know it, because it filters out or attenuates
the bad amounts of UV and a bit of other radiation from our sun, moon
and the other stars. In other words, without the O3 layer we’d become
extensively blind and suffer many other debilitating skin cancer
issues that obviously Big Oil and other Big Energy could care less
about because they honestly don’t consider 4He as anything than a
nearly worthless inert aerosol gas, unless you’re in the balloon,
blimp or LHC industry.
(math corrections):
Well the good news is that this 4He will not be a terrestrial resource
issue for very long, because natural geology pockets or geode
reservoirs of natural gas containing roughly 1% 4He are about to run
out, and supposedly the ongoing fission within Earth only regenerates
at most 3.65e6 kg/year (10 t/day) and globally we’re taking out 100 t/
day(116 kg/sec), of which with advanced technology we’ll be lucky to
recapture 0.1% of that, or just 10 kg/day (roughly .01% of current
needs and perhaps only .001% of future needs), and that form of
terrestrial 4He recovery is going to become extremely spendy compared
to current methods. This means the artificial leakage or release of
the 4He aerosol will become so infrequent that its affect on O3/ozone
will become limited as to only what 4He naturally diffuses and gets
away from Earth. By 2050 those polar ozone holes should vanish, and
our highly protective layer of O3 should stabilize, as well as the
loss of mass from our planet should subside to a level which we can
live with, because as is if our planet receives only 2 kg/sec of mass
influx and we continually lose perhaps 2 t/sec of mostly our precious
helium and always hydrogen is not a good thing, especially when the
loss of helium in addition to other artificial contributions keeps
making those big holes in our protective ozone layer.
The implications of mass loss are truly numerous, but then only those
of us that are not sufficiently rich and powerful need to concern
ourselves with the consequences of this ongoing trend, because the
Oligarchs and Rothschilds could care less.
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have more than its fair share of helium, and that’s a very good thing
for our planet that’s about to run out.
Currently our terrestrial 4He simply isn’t rare enough to worry about,
as well as we’re running out of artificial storage capacity for it,
and the surplus is just getting vented or passed along with the
natural gas that’s used by everyone. However, within this decade
that’s about to change, because by 2030 its availability isn’t going
to be sufficient nor endless.
As 4He migrates through the 30 km layer of O3s, it tends to lubricate
or liberate O3s as the UV interacts with O1, O2, O3+4He, because the
aerosol of 4He gets to come in direct contact with anything in its
path.
As 4He comes in direct contact with O1+O2 (O3) as the threesome or tri-
atomic of big oxygen atoms, the molecular binding process that makes
O3 can be disrupted and even neutralized by the much smaller 4He atom
passing through.
When 4He is not ionized it acts as a perfect nonconductive insulator
(molecular lubricant), and if excited or ionized is when it highly
conducts between other molecules. Because 4He doesn’t directly bind
with anything, makes it an ideal molecular independent or freelance
agent that gets to do (act/react) as it pleases. This kind of aerosol
freelance or nomadic ability is not a good thing for the threesome of
ozone, and the more of it that we release the more disruptive it is
for sustaining the O3/ozone layer that some of us believe is highly is
beneficial to life as we know it, because it filters out or attenuates
the bad amounts of UV and a bit of other radiation from our sun, moon
and the other stars. In other words, without the O3 layer we’d become
extensively blind and suffer many other debilitating skin cancer
issues that obviously Big Oil and other Big Energy could care less
about because they honestly don’t consider 4He as anything than a
nearly worthless inert aerosol gas, unless you’re in the balloon,
blimp or LHC industry.
(math corrections):
Well the good news is that this 4He will not be a terrestrial resource
issue for very long, because natural geology pockets or geode
reservoirs of natural gas containing roughly 1% 4He are about to run
out, and supposedly the ongoing fission within Earth only regenerates
at most 3.65e6 kg/year (10 t/day) and globally we’re taking out 100 t/
day(116 kg/sec), of which with advanced technology we’ll be lucky to
recapture 0.1% of that, or just 10 kg/day (roughly .01% of current
needs and perhaps only .001% of future needs), and that form of
terrestrial 4He recovery is going to become extremely spendy compared
to current methods. This means the artificial leakage or release of
the 4He aerosol will become so infrequent that its affect on O3/ozone
will become limited as to only what 4He naturally diffuses and gets
away from Earth. By 2050 those polar ozone holes should vanish, and
our highly protective layer of O3 should stabilize, as well as the
loss of mass from our planet should subside to a level which we can
live with, because as is if our planet receives only 2 kg/sec of mass
influx and we continually lose perhaps 2 t/sec of mostly our precious
helium and always hydrogen is not a good thing, especially when the
loss of helium in addition to other artificial contributions keeps
making those big holes in our protective ozone layer.
The implications of mass loss are truly numerous, but then only those
of us that are not sufficiently rich and powerful need to concern
ourselves with the consequences of this ongoing trend, because the
Oligarchs and Rothschilds could care less.
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On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
> bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e49406...
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
Brad Guth
May 24, 2012, 10:42:40 AM5/24/12
to
Venus may still be mainstream forbidden/taboo for most of us that
can’t think outside the box, but it does seem to have more than its
indicates that Venus has lots of uranium and thorium to spare, or
perhaps suggesting that its uranium and thorium isn’t nearly as old as
ours. Either way, the 4He of Venus is going to save our butts, unless
there’s a hidden cache/reservoir of 4He within our moon.
The implications of continued mass loss are truly numerous, but then
can’t think outside the box, but it does seem to have more than its
fair share of helium, and that’s a very good thing for our planet
that’s about to run out. Of course such an abundance of 4He also
indicates that Venus has lots of uranium and thorium to spare, or
perhaps suggesting that its uranium and thorium isn’t nearly as old as
ours. Either way, the 4He of Venus is going to save our butts, unless
there’s a hidden cache/reservoir of 4He within our moon.
only those of us that are not sufficiently rich and powerful need to
concern ourselves with the consequences of this ongoing trend, because
the Oligarchs and Rothschilds could care less.
concern ourselves with the consequences of this ongoing trend, because
the Oligarchs and Rothschilds could care less.
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On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
> bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e49406...
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
Brad Guth
May 24, 2012, 10:41:40 AM5/24/12
to
of us that are not sufficiently rich and powerful need to concern
ourselves with the consequences of this ongoing trend, because the
Oligarchs and Rothschilds could care less.
ourselves with the consequences of this ongoing trend, because the
Oligarchs and Rothschilds could care less.
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May 27, 2012, 12:53:19 AM5/27/12
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Don't look at Venus, because you might see something.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
question:
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May 27, 2012, 9:12:19 AM5/27/12
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The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about other
intelligent life existing/coexisting on this extremely nearby planet,
that gets within 110 LD(lunar distance) every 19 months. Just because
it’s hot as hell only means you’ll need to think and act like a
devil. At least the laws of physics should still function (better
than ever), and there’s known technology that can manage to survive
within that environment.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
intelligent life existing/coexisting on this extremely nearby planet,
that gets within 110 LD(lunar distance) every 19 months. Just because
it’s hot as hell only means you’ll need to think and act like a
devil. At least the laws of physics should still function (better
than ever), and there’s known technology that can manage to survive
within that environment.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
question:
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https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
> bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e49406...
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
Brad Guth
May 27, 2012, 1:26:33 PM5/27/12
to
The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) should actually be all about
even shows the exact same face to us, and this other intelligent life
need not be indigenous to Venus.
Just because it’s hot as hell only means you’ll need to think and act
like a devil. At least the laws of physics should still function
(better than ever), and there’s known technology as is that can manage
to survive within that hellish environment.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
other intelligent life existing/coexisting on this extremely nearby
planet, that gets within 110 LD(lunar distance) every 19 months and it
even shows the exact same face to us, and this other intelligent life
need not be indigenous to Venus.
Just because it’s hot as hell only means you’ll need to think and act
like a devil. At least the laws of physics should still function
to survive within that hellish environment.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
> bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e49406...
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
Brad Guth
May 28, 2012, 9:07:04 AM5/28/12
to
The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
necessarily indigenous) on this extremely nearby planet, that gets
within 110 LD(lunar distance) every 19 months, and just because its
surface is worse than smoking hot as hell only means you’ll need to
technology that can manage to survive within that environment.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Go right ahead and tell us what you can manage to interpret, because
if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained of science from
extensively photoshopped, stacked and color/hue saturation modified
images, that our NASA plus the likes of JPL and ASU gets published and
even into textbooks all the time, then this one should be quite easy.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
necessarily indigenous) on this extremely nearby planet, that gets
within 110 LD(lunar distance) every 19 months, and just because its
surface is worse than smoking hot as hell only means you’ll need to
think and act like a devil. At least the laws of physics should still
function (some of them better than ever), and there’s even known
technology that can manage to survive within that environment.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Go right ahead and tell us what you can manage to interpret, because
if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained of science from
extensively photoshopped, stacked and color/hue saturation modified
images, that our NASA plus the likes of JPL and ASU gets published and
even into textbooks all the time, then this one should be quite easy.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
> bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e49406...
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
Brad Guth
May 29, 2012, 12:04:26 PM5/29/12
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For more than a decade we've had the radar imaging capability of
better than 7.5 m/pixel. Nowadays that resolution could easily be as
good as 1 m/pixel.
On May 28, 6:07 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
> we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
> necessarily indigenous) on this extremely nearby planet, that gets
> within 110 LD(lunar distance) every 19 months, and just because its
> surface is worse than smoking hot as hell only means you’ll need to
> think and act like a devil. At least the laws of physics should still
> function (some of them better than ever), and there’s even known
> technology that can manage to survive within that environment.
>
> “Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
better than 7.5 m/pixel. Nowadays that resolution could easily be as
good as 1 m/pixel.
On May 28, 6:07 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
> we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
> necessarily indigenous) on this extremely nearby planet, that gets
> within 110 LD(lunar distance) every 19 months, and just because its
> surface is worse than smoking hot as hell only means you’ll need to
> think and act like a devil. At least the laws of physics should still
> function (some of them better than ever), and there’s even known
> technology that can manage to survive within that environment.
>
> “Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
American
May 29, 2012, 12:58:22 PM5/29/12
to
spectrometry, which CSA (Current State of the Art) manages a 9-µm
pixel size:
http://users.erols.com/njastro/faas/articles/images/dmaisfig1b.jpg
A closer flyby altitude using the above could yield a much better
database for an asteroid, given specific reflectance based upon
irradiated metals of the Atens variety
Brad Guth
May 29, 2012, 1:34:02 PM5/29/12
to
any conventional radar obtained imaging, however such remote science
imaging and/or gamma spectrometry from orbit doesn't quite go that far
with better resolution, that is unless our DoD and DARPA have been
holding out on us.
Venus could be safely orbited at 200+ km for the long haul, or a 4:1
elliptical orbit getting down to 150 km shouldn't be all that
insurmountable. In either case some extra fuel would be required if
the new and improved mission were to last 19 months.
The Magellan mission established a 3.25 hr orbit, as extremely
elliptical ("294 km above the surface at periapsis to 8540 km at
apoapsis") so it took considerable time plus considerable computer
processing in order to map 85% of Venus at roughly an average of 75 m/
pixel.
Brad Guth
May 29, 2012, 3:41:29 PM5/29/12
to
Venus for dummies:
Geoffrey Landis and several others within a niche research group or
sleeper-cell of our NASA, believe “The Wayward Planet Next Door” (aka
Venus) should be rediscovered by use of modern technology that can be
created to survive as deployed within that pressure cooker
environment. Larry Esposito also favors a much closer look-see at
what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer, and to think that
I can’t even disagree with either of them, other than their excluding
the use of a composite rigid airship that could function efficiently
for several Venus days and nights before landing upon some interesting
mountainous surface area of extremely complex geology and as possibly
hosting intelligent life as having modified that active geology area
for their needs.
A science and transponder platform, or OASIS outpost/gateway at Venus
L2, would certainly be another good thing that’s well within existing
technology and expertise, and of course way better yet if that VL2
could be a human habitat space station, from which their telerobotic
composite rigid airship could be flown and complex science
accomplished with minimal command loop delay.
The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
necessarily indigenous nor all that smarter if even half as smart as
us) on this extremely nearby planet that gets within 110 LD(lunar
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Go right ahead and tell us what you can manage to interpret, because
if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from public
funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and color/
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
Geoffrey Landis and several others within a niche research group or
sleeper-cell of our NASA, believe “The Wayward Planet Next Door” (aka
Venus) should be rediscovered by use of modern technology that can be
created to survive as deployed within that pressure cooker
environment. Larry Esposito also favors a much closer look-see at
what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer, and to think that
I can’t even disagree with either of them, other than their excluding
the use of a composite rigid airship that could function efficiently
for several Venus days and nights before landing upon some interesting
mountainous surface area of extremely complex geology and as possibly
hosting intelligent life as having modified that active geology area
for their needs.
A science and transponder platform, or OASIS outpost/gateway at Venus
L2, would certainly be another good thing that’s well within existing
technology and expertise, and of course way better yet if that VL2
could be a human habitat space station, from which their telerobotic
composite rigid airship could be flown and complex science
accomplished with minimal command loop delay.
The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
us) on this extremely nearby planet that gets within 110 LD(lunar
distance) every 19 months, and just because its surface is worse than
smoking hot as hell only means you’ll need to think and act/react like
a devil. At least the laws of physics should still function (some of
them better than ever), and there’s even known technology that can
manage to survive within that pressure cooker environment.
them better than ever), and there’s even known technology that can
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Go right ahead and tell us what you can manage to interpret, because
funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and color/
hue saturation modified images, that our NASA plus the likes of JPL
and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
> bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e49406...
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
Brad Guth
May 29, 2012, 5:08:18 PM5/29/12
to
Venus for dummies:
Geoffrey Landis and several others within a niche research group or
sleeper-cell of our NASA, believe “The Wayward Planet Next Door” (aka
Venus) as authored by Paul Raeburn, is a very Earth like planet that
Geoffrey Landis and several others within a niche research group or
sleeper-cell of our NASA, believe “The Wayward Planet Next Door” (aka
should be rediscovered by use of modern technology that can be
engineered to survive as deployed within that pressure cooker
environment. Larry Esposito also favors a much closer look-see at
what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer, and to think that
I can’t even disagree with either of them, other than their excluding
the use of a composite rigid airship that could function efficiently
for several Venus days and nights before landing upon some interesting
mountainous surface area of extremely complex geology and as possibly
hosting intelligent life as having modified that active geology area
for their needs.
A science and transponder platform, or OASIS outpost/gateway at Venus
L2 would certainly be another good thing that’s well within existing
what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer, and to think that
I can’t even disagree with either of them, other than their excluding
the use of a composite rigid airship that could function efficiently
for several Venus days and nights before landing upon some interesting
mountainous surface area of extremely complex geology and as possibly
hosting intelligent life as having modified that active geology area
for their needs.
A science and transponder platform, or OASIS outpost/gateway at Venus
technology and expertise, and of course way better yet if that VL2
outpost could be a human habitat space station, from which their
telerobotic composite rigid airship could be remote flown and complex
science accomplished with minimal command loop delay.
The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
necessarily indigenous nor all that smarter if even half as smart as
us) on this extremely nearby planet that gets within 110 LD(lunar
distance) every 19 months, and just because its surface is worse than
smoking hot as hell only means you’ll need to think and act/react like
a devil. At least the laws of physics should still function (some of
them better than ever), and there’s even known technology that can
manage to survive within that pressure cooker environment.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
necessarily indigenous nor all that smarter if even half as smart as
us) on this extremely nearby planet that gets within 110 LD(lunar
distance) every 19 months, and just because its surface is worse than
smoking hot as hell only means you’ll need to think and act/react like
a devil. At least the laws of physics should still function (some of
them better than ever), and there’s even known technology that can
manage to survive within that pressure cooker environment.
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Go right ahead and tell us what you can manage to interpret, because
if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from public
funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and color/
hue saturation modified images, that our NASA plus the likes of JPL
and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
Go right ahead and tell us what you can manage to interpret, because
if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from public
funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and color/
hue saturation modified images, that our NASA plus the likes of JPL
and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
> bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e49406...
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
Brad Guth
May 29, 2012, 8:54:35 PM5/29/12
to
Venus for dummies: (it’s a good resource for metals and 4He)
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Go right ahead and tell us what you can manage to interpret, because
if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from public
funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and color/
hue saturation modified images, that our NASA plus the likes of JPL
and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
Go right ahead and tell us what you can manage to interpret, because
if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from public
funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and color/
hue saturation modified images, that our NASA plus the likes of JPL
and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
> bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e49406...
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
Brad Guth
May 30, 2012, 7:27:18 AM5/30/12
to
Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s a very good resource for metals and 4He)
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
closer look-see at what this extremely nearby planet Venus has to
several Venus days and nights before eventually landing upon some
interesting mountainous surface area of extremely complex geology as
possibly hosting intelligent life, as having modified that active
geology area for their own needs or even conceivably the needs of
others.
A science and signal transponder platform, or cool OASIS outpost/
gateway at Venus L2 would certainly be another good thing to establish
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Go right ahead and tell us whatever you can manage to interpret,
dysfunctionals with their 4 inch diagonal limited screen-view of the
internet, whereas even the simplest of email or newsgroup messages
have become reading and composing restricted, not to mention those
with important images or other composition features being too hard to
access and utilize without easily making finger mistakes or losing the
entire context and its intent before ever getting it read or sent, is
nowadays fairly common.
Reading 8 pt or smaller type is about as good as the K12 internet
gets. So the dumb-down generation gap has gotten all the way down to
animated pictures and sound bites that’ll get any of their
attention. Next phase of getting their dumb-down attention may
require 3D and surround-sound.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Geoffrey Landis and several others within a niche research group or
somewhat sleeper-cell of our NASA, believe “The Wayward Planet Next
Door” (aka Venus) as authored by Paul Raeburn, is a very Earth like
planet that should be rediscovered by use of modern technology that
can be engineered to survive as deployed within that pressure cooker
environment. David Grinspoon and Larry Esposito also favor a much
planet that should be rediscovered by use of modern technology that
can be engineered to survive as deployed within that pressure cooker
closer look-see at what this extremely nearby planet Venus has to
offer, and to think that I can’t even disagree with either of them,
other than their excluding the use of a composite rigid airship that
could function efficiently as a sophisticated science platform for
other than their excluding the use of a composite rigid airship that
several Venus days and nights before eventually landing upon some
interesting mountainous surface area of extremely complex geology as
possibly hosting intelligent life, as having modified that active
geology area for their own needs or even conceivably the needs of
others.
A science and signal transponder platform, or cool OASIS outpost/
gateway at Venus L2 would certainly be another good thing to establish
that’s well within existing technology and expertise, and of course
way better yet if that VL2 outpost could be a human habitat qualified
space station, from which their telerobotic composite rigid airship
could be remote flown and complex science accomplished with minimal
command loop delay.
The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
necessarily indigenous nor all that smarter if even half as smart as
us) upon this extremely nearby planet that gets within 110 LD(lunar
could be remote flown and complex science accomplished with minimal
command loop delay.
The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
necessarily indigenous nor all that smarter if even half as smart as
distance) every 19 months, and just because its surface is worse than
smoking hot as hell only means you’ll need to think and act/react like
a devil. At least the laws of physics should still function (some of
them better than ever), and there’s even known technology that can
manage to survive within that pressure cooker environment.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
smoking hot as hell only means you’ll need to think and act/react like
a devil. At least the laws of physics should still function (some of
them better than ever), and there’s even known technology that can
manage to survive within that pressure cooker environment.
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Go right ahead and tell us whatever you can manage to interpret,
because if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from
public funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and
color/hue saturation modified images that our NASA plus the likes of
public funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and
JPL and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
Because our current generation of K12s are becoming internet reading
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
dysfunctionals with their 4 inch diagonal limited screen-view of the
internet, whereas even the simplest of email or newsgroup messages
have become reading and composing restricted, not to mention those
with important images or other composition features being too hard to
access and utilize without easily making finger mistakes or losing the
entire context and its intent before ever getting it read or sent, is
nowadays fairly common.
Reading 8 pt or smaller type is about as good as the K12 internet
gets. So the dumb-down generation gap has gotten all the way down to
animated pictures and sound bites that’ll get any of their
attention. Next phase of getting their dumb-down attention may
require 3D and surround-sound.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
question:
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On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
> bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e49406...
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
American
May 30, 2012, 9:48:35 AM5/30/12
to
Thing" that you have included the following:
"Actually, gold should always be a highly stable lunar element that's
still going to remain as a very nifty metal that's always in high
demand, because it's still extremely good for all sorts of terrific
stuff, besides just always looking good it'll also be kind of hard to
replace with other alloys that are any easier or less spendy to come
by. By rights our physically dark moon should be saturated with its
fair share of gold deposits and otherwise hosting many other valuable
metallicity elements, because any good color image of the physically
dark lunar surface proves that such a terrific assortment of metal
ores do exist, as well as the sodium atmosphere is another dead give
away that our moon has been giving off loads of that metallicity
element for quite some time."
I'm not all that sure why, when discussing Venus, do you seem to be
focused on SAR, pixel resolution, etc., but are not doing that with
the precious metals on the asteroids? There are natural gamma rays
available that can outdo any kind of man-made, long-range, gamma
induced photoemission, by using the natural, interplanetary
environment. The interplanetary typical background radiation level is
0.06 Gray/hour and this level can increase up to 20 Gray/hour (1 Gray
= 1 J/kg) during solar flare events. (Carbon-based life becomes
STIMULATED between 0.5 - 1 J/kg-h, but DNA damage results in
continuous exposure between 0.5 and 2.6 J/kg-h). These type of
radiation bursts could be produced by X-class flares, with typical
outputs of 0.2 - 1 MeV. Typical outputs of the various flare types
include (in MeV):
A < 10^-3
B 10^-3 - 10^-2
C 10^-2 - 10^-1
M 10^-1 - 10^-0
X > 10^-0
...with Peak Flux Range at 100 - 800 picometer (=10^-12 meter, note 1
A = 10^-10 meter)
With each of the above discharges representing values in watts/sq cm,
with 1 Joule = 1 watt-second, and 1 eV = 1.602×10^-19 joule, and with
the eV concentration for photo-emission in the KeV range at between 60
- 80e3 eV for both Au and Pt metals in question, or about 80e-16
watts/cm^2 (between 0.1 Angstrom - 0.2 Angstrom).
The discharges exceed the KeV ranges for metals detection by a factor
of 100 for X-flares, a factor of 10 for M flares, a factor of 1 for C
flares, and a factor of both 1 and 0.1 for A flares. The wavelengths
of all the flares between 100 - 800 picometers coincide with the
metals' photo-emission wavelengths directly in the range of 100 - 200
picometers, in the "lower flux" range. THAT would correspond to both C
and A flares, which occur as...
"...collisions between cosmic-ray electrons and solar photons
(sunlight) make the inner solar system a relatively-bright, diffuse
source of gamma rays with energies 100 million to 1 billion times
greater than visible light. Although the intensity is greatest near
the sun, the entire sky glows faintly in high-energy gamma rays from
this effect, which is known as inverse Compton scattering."
http://today.slac.stanford.edu/feature/gammaraysfromthesun.asp
Brad Guth
May 30, 2012, 6:29:25 PM5/30/12
to
American
May 31, 2012, 11:10:22 AM5/31/12
to
http://www.lunar.lanl.gov/figures/9837698.jpg
No one seems to have figued out the use for these kinds of GRS maps
for Venus yet... Perhaps it has something to do with making the
electronics both heat resistant, rad-hard, and worth following up
on...
Brad Guth
May 31, 2012, 12:44:48 PM5/31/12
to
planet, moon or asteroid should have been mainstream science for
supporting astronomy data as of decades ago. Nowadays the possible
resolution and even depth penetration from orbit should be impressive.
Lots of terrific science technology has existed, even suitable for the
pressure cooker environment of Venus. Other technology can be
engineered and/or adapted to survive extremes. However, from orbiting
Venus and even from the cool environment within a composite rigid
airship shouldn't be all that insurmountable as is.
If the PFS instrument of Venus EXPRESS had been working, we'd have
some really good thermal images of the surface. There's still no good
reason(s) why their PFS instrument wasn't operational. (perhaps it's
working but they simply didn't want to share their much higher
resolution science data of "Guth Venus")
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Go right ahead and tell us whatever you can manage to interpret,
because if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from
public funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and
Go right ahead and tell us whatever you can manage to interpret,
because if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from
color/hue saturation modified images that our NASA plus the likes of
JPL and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
Brad Guth
May 31, 2012, 3:46:17 PM5/31/12
to
The next transit of “Guth Venus” is upon us, not that we’ll get
anything all that new or improved about this science other than ESAs
Venus EXPRESS is still doing the best that it can with its limited
science capability, making do w/o its PFS technology (PFS “instrument
was not operated”). Meanwhile, it seems our physically dark and naked
moon that's nicely charged up to gamma and loaded with valuable metals
is still being kept as mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated, but
perhaps nearby Venus is perfectly wide open for business.
Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s a very good resource for metals and 4He)
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
Next Door” (aka Venus) as recently authored by Paul Raeburn, is a very
or that of a cool OASIS outpost/gateway at Venus L2 would certainly be
another good thing to establish, that’s well within our existing
addition to establishing a few GSOs and having a couple polar orbiting
satellites mapping Venus down to one meter per pixel should also be
part of the new and improved methods applied for our off-world
exploiting of that extremely nearby planet. Unfortunately and no
doubt another spendy decade wasted on Mars is what will happen next.
The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
react like a devil. At least there’s no shortage of local energy, and
those laws of physics should still function (some of them better than
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
to animated pictures and sound bites that’ll get through to any of
their smartphone limited attention spans. Next phase of getting
through to their dumb-down attention may require the use of 3D
animations and surround-sound.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
anything all that new or improved about this science other than ESAs
Venus EXPRESS is still doing the best that it can with its limited
science capability, making do w/o its PFS technology (PFS “instrument
was not operated”). Meanwhile, it seems our physically dark and naked
moon that's nicely charged up to gamma and loaded with valuable metals
is still being kept as mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated, but
perhaps nearby Venus is perfectly wide open for business.
Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s a very good resource for metals and 4He)
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Geoffrey Landis and several others within a niche research group or
somewhat sleeper-cell of our NASA, still believe “The Wayward Planet
Geoffrey Landis and several others within a niche research group or
Next Door” (aka Venus) as recently authored by Paul Raeburn, is a very
Earth like planet that should be rediscovered by use of modern
technology that can be engineered to survive as deployed within that
pressure cooker environment. David Grinspoon and Larry Esposito also
favor a much closer look-see at what this extremely nearby planet
Venus has to offer, and to think that I can’t even disagree with
either of them, other than their excluding the use of a composite
rigid airship that could function efficiently as a sophisticated
science platform for several Venus days and nights before eventually
landing upon some interesting mountainous surface area of extremely
complex geology as possibly hosting intelligent life, as having
modified that active geology area for their own needs or even
conceivably the needs of others.
As for providing a terrific science and signal transponder platform,
technology that can be engineered to survive as deployed within that
pressure cooker environment. David Grinspoon and Larry Esposito also
favor a much closer look-see at what this extremely nearby planet
Venus has to offer, and to think that I can’t even disagree with
either of them, other than their excluding the use of a composite
rigid airship that could function efficiently as a sophisticated
science platform for several Venus days and nights before eventually
landing upon some interesting mountainous surface area of extremely
complex geology as possibly hosting intelligent life, as having
modified that active geology area for their own needs or even
conceivably the needs of others.
or that of a cool OASIS outpost/gateway at Venus L2 would certainly be
another good thing to establish, that’s well within our existing
technology and expertise, and of course way better yet if that VL2
outpost could be a human habitat qualified space station, from which
their telerobotic composite rigid airship could be remote flown and
complex science accomplished with minimal command loop delay. In
outpost could be a human habitat qualified space station, from which
their telerobotic composite rigid airship could be remote flown and
addition to establishing a few GSOs and having a couple polar orbiting
satellites mapping Venus down to one meter per pixel should also be
part of the new and improved methods applied for our off-world
exploiting of that extremely nearby planet. Unfortunately and no
doubt another spendy decade wasted on Mars is what will happen next.
The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
necessarily indigenous nor all that smarter if even half as smart as
us) upon this extremely nearby planet that gets within 110 LD(lunar
distance) every 19 months, and just because its surface is worse than
smoking hot as hell only means that you’ll need to rethink and act/
react like a devil. At least there’s no shortage of local energy, and
those laws of physics should still function (some of them better than
ever), and there’s even known technology that can manage to survive
within that pressure cooker environment.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Go right ahead and tell us whatever you can manage to interpret,
because if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from
public funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and
color/hue saturation modified images that our NASA plus the likes of
JPL and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
Go right ahead and tell us whatever you can manage to interpret,
because if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from
public funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and
color/hue saturation modified images that our NASA plus the likes of
JPL and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
Because our current generation of K12s are becoming internet reading
dysfunctionals with their 4 inch diagonal limited screen-view of the
internet, whereas even the simplest of email or newsgroup messages
have become reading and composing restricted, not to mention those
with important images or other composition features being too hard to
access and utilize without easily making finger mistakes or losing the
entire context and its intent before ever getting it read or sent, is
nowadays fairly common.
Reading 8 pt or smaller type is about as good as the K12 internet
gets. So the dumb-down generation gap has gotten us all the way down
dysfunctionals with their 4 inch diagonal limited screen-view of the
internet, whereas even the simplest of email or newsgroup messages
have become reading and composing restricted, not to mention those
with important images or other composition features being too hard to
access and utilize without easily making finger mistakes or losing the
entire context and its intent before ever getting it read or sent, is
nowadays fairly common.
Reading 8 pt or smaller type is about as good as the K12 internet
to animated pictures and sound bites that’ll get through to any of
their smartphone limited attention spans. Next phase of getting
through to their dumb-down attention may require the use of 3D
animations and surround-sound.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
> bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e49406...
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
Brad Guth
May 31, 2012, 6:06:15 PM5/31/12
to
Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s a very good resource for metals and 4He)
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
The transit of “Guth Venus” is right upon us, not that we’ll get
anything all that new or improved from this science other than ESAs
Venus EXPRESS is still doing the best that it can with its limited
science capability that’s making do w/o PFS technology (PFS
“instrument was not operated”). Meanwhile, it seems our physically
dark and naked moon that's nicely charged up to gamma and loaded with
valuable metals is still being kept as mainstream taboo/nondisclosure
rated, but perhaps nearby Venus is perfectly wide open for business.
dark and naked moon that's nicely charged up to gamma and loaded with
valuable metals is still being kept as mainstream taboo/nondisclosure
rated, but perhaps nearby Venus is perfectly wide open for business.
happen next.
The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
necessarily indigenous nor all that smarter if even half as smart as
us) upon this extremely nearby planet that gets within 110 LD(lunar
distance) every 19 months, and just because its surface is worse than
smoking hot as hell only means that you’ll need to rethink and act/
react like a devil. At least there’s no shortage of local energy, and
those laws of physics should still function (some of them better than
ever), and there’s even known technology that can manage to survive
within that pressure cooker environment.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
necessarily indigenous nor all that smarter if even half as smart as
us) upon this extremely nearby planet that gets within 110 LD(lunar
distance) every 19 months, and just because its surface is worse than
smoking hot as hell only means that you’ll need to rethink and act/
react like a devil. At least there’s no shortage of local energy, and
those laws of physics should still function (some of them better than
ever), and there’s even known technology that can manage to survive
within that pressure cooker environment.
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Go right ahead and tell us whatever you can manage to interpret,
because if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from
public funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and
color/hue saturation modified images that our NASA plus the likes of
JPL and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
Because our current generation of K12s are becoming internet reading
dysfunctionals with their 4 inch diagonal limited screen-view of the
internet, whereas even the simplest of email or newsgroup messages
have become reading and composing restricted, not to mention those
with important images or other composition features being too hard to
access and utilize without easily making finger mistakes or losing the
entire context and its intent before ever getting it read or sent, is
nowadays fairly common.
Reading 8 pt or smaller type is about as good as the K12 internet
gets. So the dumb-down generation gap has gotten us all the way down
to animated pictures and sound bites that’ll get through to any of
their smartphone limited attention spans. Next phase of getting
through to their dumb-down attention may require the use of 3D
animations and surround-sound.
Go right ahead and tell us whatever you can manage to interpret,
because if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from
public funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and
color/hue saturation modified images that our NASA plus the likes of
JPL and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
Because our current generation of K12s are becoming internet reading
dysfunctionals with their 4 inch diagonal limited screen-view of the
internet, whereas even the simplest of email or newsgroup messages
have become reading and composing restricted, not to mention those
with important images or other composition features being too hard to
access and utilize without easily making finger mistakes or losing the
entire context and its intent before ever getting it read or sent, is
nowadays fairly common.
Reading 8 pt or smaller type is about as good as the K12 internet
gets. So the dumb-down generation gap has gotten us all the way down
to animated pictures and sound bites that’ll get through to any of
their smartphone limited attention spans. Next phase of getting
through to their dumb-down attention may require the use of 3D
animations and surround-sound.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
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On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 17, 11:02 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
> bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e49406...
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
Brad Guth
Jun 1, 2012, 1:54:01 AM6/1/12
to
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
> Unlike our overpopulated and resource depleted planet, Venus has more
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
> bunch of lofty little atoms of 4He)”http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e49406...
> than its fair share of helium/4He, at 12 ppm is truly diffusing a
> considerable amount of its 4He, especially significant considering its
> thick and dense column of atmosphere, 90% gravity and its way hotter
> environment with hardly any protective magnetosphere to fend off those
> solar winds from easily extracting its 4He.
>
> “How best to get rid of ozone/O3: (you fluff and lubricate it with a
Brad Guth
Jun 2, 2012, 8:55:59 AM6/2/12
to
The planet right next door?
On May 31, 10:54 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> “Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
On May 31, 10:54 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> “Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
Brad Guth
Jun 2, 2012, 12:24:38 PM6/2/12
to
The planet right next door (passing within 110 LD, always showing its
same face towards us, as though it orbital resonance has been tidal
locked to Earth), and its transit of our unstable sun that’ll go off
without a hitch. Don’t look too hard, because you might see and/or
interpret something that’s outside of your cozy mainstream status quo
box.
On May 31, 10:54 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> “Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
Why is this topic getting edited/formatted by insiders of Google
Groups Usenet/newsgroups?
same face towards us, as though it orbital resonance has been tidal
locked to Earth), and its transit of our unstable sun that’ll go off
without a hitch. Don’t look too hard, because you might see and/or
interpret something that’s outside of your cozy mainstream status quo
box.
On May 31, 10:54 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> “Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
Groups Usenet/newsgroups?
Brad Guth
Jun 3, 2012, 10:03:31 AM6/3/12
to
Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s a very good resource for metals and 4He)
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
question:
Don't try to make anything seem as though some kind of intelligent
other life could have been existing/coexisting on Venus, because
that's just silly once you realize how natural geology works in
mysterious ways of making the terrain look exactly as though it had
intelligent infrastructure with rational logistics taking place.
Brad Guth
Jun 3, 2012, 10:12:43 AM6/3/12
to
Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s a very good resource for metals and 4He)
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Don't try to make anything seem as though some kind of intelligent
other life could have been existing/coexisting on Venus, because
that's just silly once you realize how natural geology works in
mysterious ways of making the mountainous terrain look exactly as
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Don't try to make anything seem as though some kind of intelligent
other life could have been existing/coexisting on Venus, because
that's just silly once you realize how natural geology works in
though it had intelligent infrastructure with rational logistics
taking place.
taking place.
The transit of “Guth Venus” is right upon us, not that we’ll get
anything all that new or improved from this science other than ESAs
Venus EXPRESS that’s still doing the best that it can with its limited/
anything all that new or improved from this science other than ESAs
broken science capability that’s making do w/o PFS technology (PFS
“instrument was not operated”). Meanwhile, it seems our physically
dark and naked moon that's nicely charged up to gamma and loaded with
valuable metals is still being kept as mainstream taboo/nondisclosure
rated, but perhaps nearby Venus is perfectly wide open for business.
Geoffrey Landis and several others within a niche research group or
somewhat sleeper-cell of our NASA, still believe “The Wayward Planet
Next Door” (aka Venus) as recently authored by Paul Raeburn, is a very
Earth like planet that should be rediscovered by use of modern
technology that can be engineered to survive as deployed within that
pressure cooker environment. David Grinspoon and Larry Esposito also
favor a much closer look-see at what this extremely nearby planet
Venus has to offer, and to think that I can’t even disagree with
either of them, other than their excluding the use of a composite
rigid airship that could function efficiently as a sophisticated
science platform for several Venus days and nights before eventually
landing upon some interesting mountainous surface area of extremely
complex geology as possibly hosting intelligent life, as having
modified that active geology area for their own needs or even
conceivably the needs of others.
As for providing a perfectly terrific science and signal transponder
dark and naked moon that's nicely charged up to gamma and loaded with
valuable metals is still being kept as mainstream taboo/nondisclosure
rated, but perhaps nearby Venus is perfectly wide open for business.
Geoffrey Landis and several others within a niche research group or
somewhat sleeper-cell of our NASA, still believe “The Wayward Planet
Next Door” (aka Venus) as recently authored by Paul Raeburn, is a very
Earth like planet that should be rediscovered by use of modern
technology that can be engineered to survive as deployed within that
pressure cooker environment. David Grinspoon and Larry Esposito also
favor a much closer look-see at what this extremely nearby planet
Venus has to offer, and to think that I can’t even disagree with
either of them, other than their excluding the use of a composite
rigid airship that could function efficiently as a sophisticated
science platform for several Venus days and nights before eventually
landing upon some interesting mountainous surface area of extremely
complex geology as possibly hosting intelligent life, as having
modified that active geology area for their own needs or even
conceivably the needs of others.
platform, or that of a cool OASIS outpost/gateway at Venus L2 would
certainly become another good thing to establish, that’s well within
our existing technology and expertise, and of course way better yet if
that VL2 outpost could be a human habitat qualified space station,
from which their telerobotic composite rigid airship could be remote
flown and complex science accomplished with minimal command loop
delay. In addition to establishing a few GSOs and having a couple
polar orbiting satellites mapping Venus down to one meter per pixel
should also be part of the new and improved methods applied for our
off-world exploiting of that extremely nearby planet. Unfortunately
and no doubt we’ll see another spendy decade wasted on Mars, is what
will happen next.
The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
necessarily indigenous nor all that smarter if even half as smart as
us) upon this extremely nearby planet that gets within 110 LD(lunar
distance) every 19 months, and just because its surface is always
that VL2 outpost could be a human habitat qualified space station,
from which their telerobotic composite rigid airship could be remote
flown and complex science accomplished with minimal command loop
delay. In addition to establishing a few GSOs and having a couple
polar orbiting satellites mapping Venus down to one meter per pixel
should also be part of the new and improved methods applied for our
off-world exploiting of that extremely nearby planet. Unfortunately
and no doubt we’ll see another spendy decade wasted on Mars, is what
will happen next.
The transit of Venus (aka “Guth Venus”) is simply about accepting that
we have other intelligent life existing/coexisting (though not
necessarily indigenous nor all that smarter if even half as smart as
us) upon this extremely nearby planet that gets within 110 LD(lunar
worse than smoking hot as hell only means that you’ll need to rethink
and act/react like a devil. At least there’s no shortage of local
energy, and those laws of physics should still function (some of them
better than ever), and there’s even known technology that can manage
to survive within that pressure cooker environment, not to mention
better than ever), and there’s even known technology that can manage
that which can be specifically developed for that task of surviving
Venus.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Go right ahead and tell us whatever you can manage to interpret,
because if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from
public funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and
color/hue saturation modified images that our NASA plus the likes of
JPL and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
Because our current generation of K12s are becoming internet reading
dysfunctionals with their 4 inch diagonal limited screen-view of the
internet, whereas even the simplest of email or newsgroup messages
have become reading and composing restricted, not to mention those
with important images or other composition features being too hard to
access and utilize without easily making finger mistakes or losing the
entire context and its intent before ever getting it read or sent, is
nowadays fairly common.
Reading 8 pt or smaller type is about as good as the K12 internet
gets. So the dumb-down generation gap has gotten us all the way down
to animated pictures and sound bites that’ll get through to any of
their smartphone limited attention spans. Next phase of getting
through to their dumb-down attention may require the use of 3D
animations and surround-sound.
because if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from
public funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and
color/hue saturation modified images that our NASA plus the likes of
JPL and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.
Because our current generation of K12s are becoming internet reading
dysfunctionals with their 4 inch diagonal limited screen-view of the
internet, whereas even the simplest of email or newsgroup messages
have become reading and composing restricted, not to mention those
with important images or other composition features being too hard to
access and utilize without easily making finger mistakes or losing the
entire context and its intent before ever getting it read or sent, is
nowadays fairly common.
Reading 8 pt or smaller type is about as good as the K12 internet
gets. So the dumb-down generation gap has gotten us all the way down
to animated pictures and sound bites that’ll get through to any of
their smartphone limited attention spans. Next phase of getting
through to their dumb-down attention may require the use of 3D
animations and surround-sound.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
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Brad Guth
Jun 3, 2012, 2:46:13 PM6/3/12
to
Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s a very good resource for metals and 4He)
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Don't even try to make anything seem as though some kind of
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
intelligent other life could have been existing/coexisting on Venus,
because that's just silly once you realize how natural geology works
in perfectly mysterious ways of making the mountainous terrain look
because that's just silly once you realize how natural geology works
exactly as though it had intelligent infrastructure with rational
logistics taking place. In other words, stick with the failsafe
mainstream status-quo interpretation of everything, and you’ll never
have to back down or otherwise explain yourself.
The transit of “Guth Venus” is right upon us, not that we’ll get
anything all that new or improved from this science other than ESAs
Venus EXPRESS that’s still doing the best that it can with its limited/
broken science capability that’s making do w/o PFS technology (PFS
“instrument was not operated”). Meanwhile, it seems our physically
dark and naked moon that's nicely charged up to gamma and loaded with
valuable metals is still being kept as mainstream taboo/nondisclosure
rated, but perhaps nearby Venus is perfectly wide open for business.
Geoffrey Landis and several others within a niche research group or
somewhat sleeper-cell of our NASA, still believe “The Wayward Planet
Next Door” (aka Venus) as recently authored by Paul Raeburn, is a very
Earth like planet that should be rediscovered by use of modern
technology that can be engineered to survive as deployed within that
pressure cooker environment. David Grinspoon and Larry Esposito also
favor a much closer look-see at what this extremely nearby planet
Venus has to offer, and to think that I can’t even disagree with
either of them, other than their excluding the use of a composite
rigid airship that could function efficiently as a sophisticated
science platform for several Venus days and nights before eventually
landing upon some interesting mountainous surface area of extremely
complex geology as possibly hosting intelligent life, as having
modified that active geology area for their own needs or even
conceivably the needs of others.
transponder platform, or that of a cool OASIS outpost/gateway at Venus
L2 would certainly become another good thing to establish, that’s well
within our existing technology and expertise, and of course way better
yet if that VL2 outpost could become a human rated space habitat as
L2 would certainly become another good thing to establish, that’s well
within our existing technology and expertise, and of course way better
another qualified space station, from which their telerobotic
Brad Guth
Jun 3, 2012, 11:46:09 PM6/3/12
to
Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s actually a very good resource for metals
time, then interpreting this simple monochrome one should be quite
features as being too hard to access and utilize without easily making
those finger mistakes or losing the entire context and dropping its
intent before ever getting it read or any reply sent, is nowadays
fairly common when you’ve only got a 4 inch diagonal screen that’s
cluttered with other stuff.
Reading 8 pt or smaller type is about as good as the K12 internet
gets. So the dumb-down generation gap has gotten us all the way down
to animated pictures and sound bites that’ll get through to any of
their smartphone limited attention spans. Next phase of getting
through to their dumb-down attention may require the use of 3D
animations and surround-sound via a decoder ring as having a 2 cm2
view-screen.
and 4He)
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Don't even try to make anything seem as though some kind of
intelligent other life could have been existing/coexisting on Venus,
because that's just silly once you realize how natural geology works
in perfectly mysterious ways of making the mountainous terrain look
exactly as though it had intelligent infrastructure with rational
logistics taking place. In other words, stick with the failsafe
mainstream status-quo interpretation of everything, and you’ll never
have to back down or otherwise explain yourself.
The transit of “Guth Venus” is right upon us, not that we’ll get
anything all that new or improved from this science other than ESAs
Venus EXPRESS that’s still doing the best that it can with its limited/
broken science capability that’s making due w/o its PFS technology
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Don't even try to make anything seem as though some kind of
intelligent other life could have been existing/coexisting on Venus,
because that's just silly once you realize how natural geology works
in perfectly mysterious ways of making the mountainous terrain look
exactly as though it had intelligent infrastructure with rational
logistics taking place. In other words, stick with the failsafe
mainstream status-quo interpretation of everything, and you’ll never
have to back down or otherwise explain yourself.
The transit of “Guth Venus” is right upon us, not that we’ll get
anything all that new or improved from this science other than ESAs
Venus EXPRESS that’s still doing the best that it can with its limited/
(PFS “instrument was not operated”). Meanwhile, it seems our
physically dark and naked moon that's nicely charged up to gamma and
loaded with valuable metals is still being kept as mainstream taboo/
nondisclosure rated, but perhaps nearby Venus is perfectly wide open
for business.
Geoffrey Landis and several others within a niche research group or
somewhat sleeper-cell of our NASA, still believe “The Wayward Planet
Next Door” (aka Venus) as a topic recently authored by Paul Raeburn,
physically dark and naked moon that's nicely charged up to gamma and
loaded with valuable metals is still being kept as mainstream taboo/
nondisclosure rated, but perhaps nearby Venus is perfectly wide open
for business.
Geoffrey Landis and several others within a niche research group or
somewhat sleeper-cell of our NASA, still believe “The Wayward Planet
easy.
Because our current generation of K12s are becoming internet reading
dysfunctionals with their 4 inch diagonal limited screen-view of the
internet, whereas even the simplest of email or newsgroup messages
have become reading and composing restricted, not to mention those
with important links, attachment images or other special composition
Because our current generation of K12s are becoming internet reading
dysfunctionals with their 4 inch diagonal limited screen-view of the
internet, whereas even the simplest of email or newsgroup messages
have become reading and composing restricted, not to mention those
features as being too hard to access and utilize without easily making
those finger mistakes or losing the entire context and dropping its
intent before ever getting it read or any reply sent, is nowadays
fairly common when you’ve only got a 4 inch diagonal screen that’s
cluttered with other stuff.
Reading 8 pt or smaller type is about as good as the K12 internet
gets. So the dumb-down generation gap has gotten us all the way down
to animated pictures and sound bites that’ll get through to any of
their smartphone limited attention spans. Next phase of getting
through to their dumb-down attention may require the use of 3D
view-screen.
Brad Guth
Jun 4, 2012, 8:18:34 AM6/4/12
to
Venus is hell, so it's actually the transit of hell that we get to
see, and according to a substantial amount of literature there have
been thousands if not millions of folks that couldn't behave
themselves as having been sent to Venus, and I bet their unemployment
is nil, as well as good behavior is not exactly optional, because one
little mistake and you’re worse than toast if you try to fend for
yourself.
http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/sao/imagegallery/v04_transit_sunset.jpg
truly investigative scientific and deductive minded person has to do.
There’s more than 125 km of complex atmosphere to work with, with more
than half of that atmospheric depth situated above extremely thick and
dense acidic clouds that reflect most of the solar energy, and then
each polar vortex represents a considerable pressure and thermal
differential where that solar and planet dynamic energy can be best
realized.
I’m certainly not the only person on Earth taking exception to the
purely greenhouse heated environment that’s supposedly the fault of
only having too much CO2, because the water within those clouds is
highly carbonated and having been extensively undetected as other than
CO2, plus there’s lots of sulfur (H2SO4 and even S8) at layers that’ll
act like thermal blankets as well as solar reflective barriers that
further reduce the amount of raw solar energy from reaching the
surface. Nothing is simple about the atmosphere that come entirely
from within and has to be continually sustained or replenished because
of the extremely low amount of any protective geomagnetic field. In
other words, Venus is anything but inert.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/06/hyperventilating-on-venus/
In other words, there’s nothing simple or uncomplicated about that
Venus atmosphere which hides everything of its surface from view
unless using radar imaging or having to fly instruments well below
those acidic and highly carbonated clouds. So, don’t expect to see
anything except possibly some random illuminations that are mostly
natural unless there’s any pattern established.
As to be expected on such a geologically active planet, it’s even a
bit hazy near the surface.
http://www.mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogVenus.htm
http://www.spiritofexploration.com/images/venus5.png
If the Russians with less than a tenth our capability can manage to
land and operate science instruments on Venus, then it’s probably not
such an insurmountable planet as our guys insist.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
During transit this substantial atmosphere can be seen and even
somewhat analyzed along with those occasional flashes of considerable
lightening detected, because there is no shortage of helium or even
water within those acidic and carbonated clouds, and there’s even a
detectable layer of oxygen. However, this highly acidic and
carbonated water vapor never drops to the surface that’s radiating a
considerable amount of its geothermal energy, as greatly sustained by
the uranium and thorium core which provides all of its considerable
atmospheric helium, and of course the small amount of solar influx
reaching the surface adds another factor of greenhouse heating to an
already geothermally heated environment.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
http://translate.google.com/#
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see, and according to a substantial amount of literature there have
been thousands if not millions of folks that couldn't behave
themselves as having been sent to Venus, and I bet their unemployment
is nil, as well as good behavior is not exactly optional, because one
little mistake and you’re worse than toast if you try to fend for
yourself.
http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/sao/imagegallery/v04_transit_sunset.jpg
Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s actually a very good resource for metals
and 4He)
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Don't even try to make anything about the planet Venus seem as though
and 4He)
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
some kind of intelligent other life could have been existing/
coexisting, because that's just silly once you realize how natural
geology works in perfectly mysterious ways of making the mountainous
terrain look exactly as though it had intelligent infrastructure with
rational logistics taking place. In other words, stick with the
failsafe mainstream status-quo interpretation of everything, and
you’ll never have to back down or otherwise explain yourself as any
terrain look exactly as though it had intelligent infrastructure with
rational logistics taking place. In other words, stick with the
failsafe mainstream status-quo interpretation of everything, and
truly investigative scientific and deductive minded person has to do.
There’s more than 125 km of complex atmosphere to work with, with more
than half of that atmospheric depth situated above extremely thick and
dense acidic clouds that reflect most of the solar energy, and then
each polar vortex represents a considerable pressure and thermal
differential where that solar and planet dynamic energy can be best
realized.
I’m certainly not the only person on Earth taking exception to the
purely greenhouse heated environment that’s supposedly the fault of
only having too much CO2, because the water within those clouds is
highly carbonated and having been extensively undetected as other than
CO2, plus there’s lots of sulfur (H2SO4 and even S8) at layers that’ll
act like thermal blankets as well as solar reflective barriers that
further reduce the amount of raw solar energy from reaching the
surface. Nothing is simple about the atmosphere that come entirely
from within and has to be continually sustained or replenished because
of the extremely low amount of any protective geomagnetic field. In
other words, Venus is anything but inert.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/06/hyperventilating-on-venus/
In other words, there’s nothing simple or uncomplicated about that
Venus atmosphere which hides everything of its surface from view
unless using radar imaging or having to fly instruments well below
those acidic and highly carbonated clouds. So, don’t expect to see
anything except possibly some random illuminations that are mostly
natural unless there’s any pattern established.
As to be expected on such a geologically active planet, it’s even a
bit hazy near the surface.
http://www.mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogVenus.htm
http://www.spiritofexploration.com/images/venus5.png
If the Russians with less than a tenth our capability can manage to
land and operate science instruments on Venus, then it’s probably not
such an insurmountable planet as our guys insist.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
somewhat analyzed along with those occasional flashes of considerable
lightening detected, because there is no shortage of helium or even
water within those acidic and carbonated clouds, and there’s even a
detectable layer of oxygen. However, this highly acidic and
carbonated water vapor never drops to the surface that’s radiating a
considerable amount of its geothermal energy, as greatly sustained by
the uranium and thorium core which provides all of its considerable
atmospheric helium, and of course the small amount of solar influx
reaching the surface adds another factor of greenhouse heating to an
already geothermally heated environment.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
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On Jun 3, 8:46 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s actually a very good resource for metals
> and 4He)
> “Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
> Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s actually a very good resource for metals
> and 4He)
> “Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
Brad Guth
Jun 5, 2012, 9:18:43 AM6/5/12
to
The unusually wet and cool (aka global cooling) in my area is going to
prevent any sighting of hell transiting our sun.
Others with their terrific cameras and proper bandpass filters will
have to record this one for those of us that are obscured by clouds.
Though interesting how the vast majority of these Google Groups Usenet
topics are not even related to astronomy or the complex science
issues.
>
> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
prevent any sighting of hell transiting our sun.
Others with their terrific cameras and proper bandpass filters will
have to record this one for those of us that are obscured by clouds.
Though interesting how the vast majority of these Google Groups Usenet
topics are not even related to astronomy or the complex science
issues.
On Jun 4, 5:18 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Venus is hell, so it's actually the transit of hell that we get to
> see, and according to a substantial amount of literature there have
> been thousands if not millions of folks that couldn't behave
> themselves as having been sent to Venus, and I bet their unemployment
> is nil, as well as good behavior is not exactly optional, because one
> little mistake and you’re worse than toast if you try to fend for
> yourself.
>
> http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/sao/imagegallery/v04_transit_sunset.jpg
> Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s actually a very good resource for metals
> and 4He)
> “Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
> Venus is hell, so it's actually the transit of hell that we get to
> see, and according to a substantial amount of literature there have
> been thousands if not millions of folks that couldn't behave
> themselves as having been sent to Venus, and I bet their unemployment
> is nil, as well as good behavior is not exactly optional, because one
> little mistake and you’re worse than toast if you try to fend for
> yourself.
>
> http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/sao/imagegallery/v04_transit_sunset.jpg
> Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s actually a very good resource for metals
> and 4He)
> “Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
>
HVAC
Jun 5, 2012, 9:47:03 AM6/5/12
to
On 6/5/2012 9:18 AM, Brad Goth wrote:
>
> Venus is hell, so it's actually the transit of hell that we get to
> see, and according to a substantial amount of literature there have
> been thousands if not millions of folks that couldn't behave
> themselves as having been sent to Venus, and I bet their unemployment
> is nil, as well as good behavior is not exactly optional, because one
> little mistake and you’re worse than toast if you try to fend for
> yourself.
So there you have it folks...VERY low unemployment on Venus.
>
> Venus is hell, so it's actually the transit of hell that we get to
> see, and according to a substantial amount of literature there have
> been thousands if not millions of folks that couldn't behave
> themselves as having been sent to Venus, and I bet their unemployment
> is nil, as well as good behavior is not exactly optional, because one
> little mistake and you’re worse than toast if you try to fend for
> yourself.
Goth....You truly deserve that title of 'Gothtard'.
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
Hägar
Jun 5, 2012, 11:38:01 AM6/5/12
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"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 6/5/2012 9:18 AM, Brad Goth wrote:
>>
>> Venus is hell, so it's actually the transit of hell that we get to
>> see, and according to a substantial amount of literature there have
>> been thousands if not millions of folks that couldn't behave
>> themselves as having been sent to Venus, and I bet their unemployment
>> is nil, as well as good behavior is not exactly optional, because one
>> little mistake and you’re worse than toast if you try to fend for
>> yourself.
>
>
> So there you have it folks...VERY low unemployment on Venus.
>
> Goth....You truly deserve that title of 'Gothtard'.
>
Like an old cow, GuthTard just loved to chew on his cud, namely regurgitated
>>
>> Venus is hell, so it's actually the transit of hell that we get to
>> see, and according to a substantial amount of literature there have
>> been thousands if not millions of folks that couldn't behave
>> themselves as having been sent to Venus, and I bet their unemployment
>> is nil, as well as good behavior is not exactly optional, because one
>> little mistake and you’re worse than toast if you try to fend for
>> yourself.
>
>
> So there you have it folks...VERY low unemployment on Venus.
>
> Goth....You truly deserve that title of 'Gothtard'.
>
rhetoric, which, naturally, is total BS.
He's up to version 3.0 now, is he ...
Brad Guth
Jun 5, 2012, 12:28:05 PM6/5/12
to
On Jun 5, 8:38 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
And your dysfunctional contributions to science, humanity and
otherwise having traumatized and trashed our environment in order to
benefit yourself, is of course valued by all the fellow Oligarch ZNR
rednecks of this planet.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
> "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
otherwise having traumatized and trashed our environment in order to
benefit yourself, is of course valued by all the fellow Oligarch ZNR
rednecks of this planet.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Go right ahead and tell us whatever you can manage to interpret,
because if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from
public funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and
color/hue saturation modified images that our NASA plus the likes of
JPL and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this simple monochrome one should be quite
easy.
because if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from
public funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and
color/hue saturation modified images that our NASA plus the likes of
JPL and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this simple monochrome one should be quite
easy.
HVAC
Jun 5, 2012, 12:41:20 PM6/5/12
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On 6/5/2012 12:28 PM, Brad Goth wrote:
>
>>> Goth....You truly deserve that title of 'Gothtard'.
>>
>
> �Goth Venus� 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
>
>>> Goth....You truly deserve that title of 'Gothtard'.
>>
>
> question:
The Patriot
Jun 5, 2012, 12:51:52 PM6/5/12
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"Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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his bathtub. It kind of makes him crazy.
Brad Guth
Jun 5, 2012, 7:31:32 PM6/5/12
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On Jun 5, 9:51 am, "The Patriot" <xxx...@charter.net> wrote:
> "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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always so pathetic?
Do you really think all K12s are as a snookered and dumbfounded past
the point of no return as planned, are on your side regardless of the
consequences?
Brad Guth
Jun 6, 2012, 1:29:32 AM6/6/12
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As expected, the planet Hell survived the transit of our sun. Of
course it was also passing extremely close to us and it once again had
the same old surface face of its complex terrain pointed towards
Earth.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
>
> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
course it was also passing extremely close to us and it once again had
the same old surface face of its complex terrain pointed towards
Earth.
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
On Jun 4, 5:18 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Venus is hell, so it's actually the transit of hell that we get to
> see, and according to a substantial amount of literature there have
> been thousands if not millions of folks that couldn't behave
> themselves as having been sent to Venus, and I bet their unemployment
> is nil, as well as good behavior is not exactly optional, because one
> little mistake and you’re worse than toast if you try to fend for
> yourself.
>
> http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/sao/imagegallery/v04_transit_sunset.jpg
> Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s actually a very good resource for metals
> and 4He)
> “Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> question:https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
> Venus is hell, so it's actually the transit of hell that we get to
> see, and according to a substantial amount of literature there have
> been thousands if not millions of folks that couldn't behave
> themselves as having been sent to Venus, and I bet their unemployment
> is nil, as well as good behavior is not exactly optional, because one
> little mistake and you’re worse than toast if you try to fend for
> yourself.
>
> http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/sao/imagegallery/v04_transit_sunset.jpg
> Venus for K12 dummies: (it’s actually a very good resource for metals
> and 4He)
> “Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
>
Hägar
Jun 6, 2012, 11:33:01 AM6/6/12
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"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You know, you should register "Incoherent Babbling" as a
GuthBall trade mark ...
The Patriot
Jun 6, 2012, 4:07:22 PM6/6/12
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"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I guess you never do post anything that makes sense.
Brad Guth
Jun 6, 2012, 5:02:09 PM6/6/12
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On Jun 6, 1:07 pm, "The Patriot" <xxx...@charter.net> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I guess you have basic reading and deductive thinking comprehension
issues.
How about your deductive visualizing skills? (got any?)
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
issues.
How about your deductive visualizing skills? (got any?)
“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314
Brad Guth
Jun 6, 2012, 5:03:58 PM6/6/12
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On Jun 6, 8:33 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
How many notches would that be above your ZNR redneck mark of
excellence?
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
excellence?
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