Advice for Michelle Obama
pres
The AUTHOR sez: For my girlfriends and me, although Mrs. Obama has
earned our mad respect, we also feel she can benefit from a little
friendly advice for the long months ahead of intense media scrutiny.
Click on: 'News Stories' at the top, scroll to ALI: Advice for
Michelle
CTC
Contact: Arthur Stamoulis, 503-736-9777
Presidential Candidates Get Specific on Trade
Senators Clinton and Obama Detail Their Views for the Oregon Fair Trade
Campaign
PORTLAND, OR -- Presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama
detailed their views on trade policy in questionnaire responses released
today by the Oregon Fair Trade Campaign. According to their responses, both
believe that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) has done more
to hurt than to help the U.S. economy, and that United States needs to
change the way it conducts international trade. The Democratic candidates
both voiced support for renegotiating NAFTA and expressed opinions on the
different provisions of existing trade pacts.
"The unprecedented amount of attention presidential candidates are devoting
to trade policy reflects the broad public perception that existing trade
agreements are not benefiting ordinary Americans," said Arthur Stamoulis,
director of the Oregon Fair Trade Campaign. "The increased focus on trade
in the current election has shifted the political debate from whether past
trade policies were sound to what new policy changes are required."
In addition to voicing support for new labor and environmental standards in
trade agreements, both Senators Clinton and Obama expressed support for:
-Eliminating corporate tax breaks that act as an incentive for offshoring
U.S. jobs;
-Eliminating trade provisions that grant foreign investors greater rights
than U.S. citizens;
-Insisting that new trade agreements require imported products to meet U.S.
safety standards; and
-Allowing developing countries to protect themselves from agricultural
dumping.
Senator Obama also expressed support for renegotiating existing trade
agreements to allow for "Buy America" and "Buy Local" procurement policies,
while Senator Clinton expressed support for prioritizing American global
warming policies over existing trade agreement obligations.
National polling results released May 1 by the Pew Research Center found,
"There is now broad agreement that free trade negatively affects wages, jobs
and economic growth in America. By greater than six-to-one, the public says
free trade agreements result in job losses rather than in new jobs." More
so, a greater majority of independent voters had a negative view of the
impact of free trade than registered Democrats.
"The fact that so many independent voters are unhappy with the direction of
U.S. trade policy suggests that trade will continue to be a major election
issue through November," said Stamoulis.
Senator John McCain refused to respond to the questionnaire. Congressman
Ron Paul failed to answer the specific questions posed in the questionnaire,
but did provide a statement available on the Oregon Fair Trade Campaign's
website. Dr. Paul's statement and the full questionnaire responses of
Senators Clinton and Obama are available online at: www.oregonfairtrade.org
The Oregon Fair Trade Campaign is a statewide coalition of more than twenty
labor, environmental and human rights organizations that advocates for trade
policies that prioritize quality jobs in communities across Oregon; create
markets for Oregon products by raising living standards in neighboring
countries; enforce consistent standards for labor and the environment across
borders; and allow local producers to compete on a level playing field.
###
Hillary Clinton's Completed Questionnaire (PDF)
http://www.citizenstrade.org/pdf2/ClintonResponse.pdf
Barack Obama's Completed Questionnaire (PDF)
http://www.citizenstrade.org/pdf2/ObamaResponse.pdf
Ron Paul's Response (PDF)
http://www.citizenstrade.org/pdf2/PaulResponse.pdf
Jerry Okamura
"CTC" <ctc_...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:eR_Wj.283$w23...@newsfe07.lga...
> For Immediate Release
> Contact: Arthur Stamoulis, 503-736-9777
>
> Presidential Candidates Get Specific on Trade
> Senators Clinton and Obama Detail Their Views for the Oregon Fair Trade
> Campaign
>
> PORTLAND, OR -- Presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama
> detailed their views on trade policy in questionnaire responses released
> today by the Oregon Fair Trade Campaign. According to their responses,
> both believe that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) has done
> more to hurt than to help the U.S. economy, and that United States needs
> to change the way it conducts international trade. The Democratic
> candidates both voiced support for renegotiating NAFTA and expressed
> opinions on the different provisions of existing trade pacts.
>
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message news:482de0a7$0$7072$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
So what's your point?
The New World Order wants this 'borderless' USA so that it can control
the currency and it's value across the whole of the Americas and Canada
in one fell swoop. A couple more of these asinine 'trade agreements',
and America will essentially have no real borders. This is what the BS hoopla
over 'immigration' is all about... to take our minds off of the fact that the USA
is moving toward a borderless society with Canada, Mexico, and South America.
That's pretty much the reality, and it's not that difficult to perceive it
“The real menace of our republic is the invisible government
which, like a giant octopus, sprawls its slimy length over our
city, state and nation. At the head is a small group of banking
houses, generally referred to as international bankers.”
-- John F. Hylan, Mayor of New York, 1911
Jerry Okamura
"David Morgan (MAMS)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
news:KOlXj.81$ah.6@trnddc06...
Order"? How can this "New World Order" control the currency. Is Hillary or
Obama part of this "New World Order"? As for your claim that these trade
agreements are "assinine" that is rather meaningless, since neither Obama or
Clinton (you best current hope) is NOT against free trade agreements are
they?
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message news:482f1385$0$5140$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>
> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
> news:KOlXj.81$ah.6@trnddc06...
> >
> > "Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:482de0a7$0$7072$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> >>
> >> "CTC" <ctc_...@charter.net> wrote in message
> >> news:eR_Wj.283$w23...@newsfe07.lga...
> >> > For Immediate Release
> >> > Contact: Arthur Stamoulis, 503-736-9777
> >> >
> >> > Presidential Candidates Get Specific on Trade
> >> > Senators Clinton and Obama Detail Their Views for the Oregon Fair Trade
> >> > Campaign
> >> >
> >> > PORTLAND, OR -- Presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama
> >> > detailed their views on trade policy in questionnaire responses released
> >> > today by the Oregon Fair Trade Campaign. According to their responses,
> >> > both believe that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) has
> >> > done more to hurt than to help the U.S. economy, and that United States
> >> > needs to change the way it conducts international trade. The Democratic
> >> > candidates both voiced support for renegotiating NAFTA and expressed
> >> > opinions on the different provisions of existing trade pacts.
NAFTA and CAFTA has aided in destroying the US Economy.... this article
is quite true.
> >> Perception and reality are two different things.
Whether or not you *choose* to consider the reality of the truths in this
article, is as irrelevant as your dumb comment about "perception"... of
which you obviously have very little.
> > So what's your point?
> > The New World Order wants this 'borderless' USA so that it can control
> > the currency and it's value across the whole of the Americas and Canada
> > in one fell swoop. A couple more of these asinine 'trade agreements',
> > and America will essentially have no real borders. This is what the BS
> > hoopla over 'immigration' is all about... to take our minds off of the fact that
> > the USA is moving toward a borderless society with Canada, Mexico, and
> > South America.
> >
> >
> > That's pretty much the reality, and it's not that difficult to perceive it.
> No that is the definition of a "consipracy".
That has nothing to do with "conspiracy"..... that just happens to be your
best excuse for ignoring the truth, and it's a pretty damned dumb one.
> Who runs this "New World Order"?
Ask your fucking President... it was a product of his daddy's very best
right-wing think tanks.
The people who are culminating their attempt to control the money planet-wide.
> How can this "New World Order" control the currency.
This is the most simple and obvious question you could possibly pretend
to be so dumb as to have to ask. Do a little simple research on International
Bankers, The Fed and the World Bank.
“Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is
absolute master of all industry and commerce… and when
you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled,
one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you
will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression
originate.”
-- President James A. Garfield 1881
“The real menace of our republic is the invisible government
which, like a giant octopus, sprawls its slimy length over our
city, state and nation. At the head is a small group of banking
houses, generally referred to as international bankers.”
-- John F. Hylan, Mayor of New York, 1911
"Selfish men have always tried to skim the
cream of our national wealth in order to satisfy
their own greed, and their instrument in this
effort has always been the Republican Party."
-- President Harry Truman, Aug 1948
There is already a "European Union".... now under one single currency. There
is already an "African Union".... now under one single currency. It's just a
matter of a few more 'purchased' votes and a decision of the US Congress
(much like the way the Federal Reserve Act was passed and started the
ruination of the American economy) and there will be an "American Union"....
and it will, of course, operate under ONE SINGLE CURRENCY. This will
leave only the far east to organize and consolidate.... China and Russia,
and then the currency of the entire globe will be controlled by a few individuals,
headed by the Bilderberg Group.
"Axis Of Evil" : Any country who does not belong to the World Bank.
> Is Hillary or Obama part of this "New World Order"?
Of course they are... but what the hell difference does that make?
> As for your claim that these trade
> agreements are "assinine" that is rather meaningless,
They are asinine, as they are creating the downfall of America as a world
power. It's really rather shocking that you are either this ill informed or this
voluntarily ignorant.... it's happening all around you right this minute. The US
economy *must* be collapsed in order to bring it more on 'par' with the rest
of the globe in order for there to BE this "One World Economy" under The
New World Order that your illustrious neo-conservative idiots will use to line
their own pockets and destroy the American way of life. If you can't see the
middle class slowly dying, or if you can't see the Fed bailing out the illegal
lenders in the credit and housing market while the people are forced into
bankruptcy and the loss of everything they have, you are BLIND.
> since neither Obama or
> Clinton (you best current hope) is NOT against free trade agreements are
> they?
First, Clinton is NOT anything resembling a "best hope".... as a matter of fact,
Clinton represents the _certain_ continuation of the downfall of America. The
very thought of a possible 28 years of the same two crime families running
America is a nightmare of gigantic proportion. And of course they're not
against "free trade" agreements..... there is a destiny that the world bankers
are directing, and no one will become "president" who isn't a puppet for them.
"This country is in the grip of a President who was not elected, who has
surrounded himself with thugs in suits who care nothing about human life
abroad or here, who care nothing about freedom abroad or here, who care
nothing about what happens to the earth... The so-called war on terrorism
is not only a war on innocent people in other countries, but it is also a war
on the people of the United States: a war on our liberties, a war on our
standard of living. The wealth of the country is being stolen from the people
and handed over to the super-rich. The lives of our young are being stolen.
And the thieves are in the White House."
-- Howard Zinn
Governor Swill
>"CTC" wrote
>> Contact: Arthur Stamoulis, 503-736-9777
>> Presidential Candidates Get Specific on Trade
>> Senators Clinton and Obama Detail Their Views for the Oregon Fair Trade
>> Campaign
>> PORTLAND, OR -- Presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama
>> detailed their views on trade policy in questionnaire responses released
>> today by the Oregon Fair Trade Campaign. According to their responses,
>> both believe that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) has done
>> more to hurt than to help the U.S. economy, and that United States needs
>> to change the way it conducts international trade. The Democratic
>> candidates both voiced support for renegotiating NAFTA and expressed
>> opinions on the different provisions of existing trade pacts.
Rhetoric. And with Obama's Canadian Embassy gaffe, and Clinton's own
staffers saying she has no intention of changing our trade policy with
our neighbors as well as McCain's and the GOP's support for NAFTA
prove beyond doubt that no major reductions in free trade are going to
happen any time soon. Besides, with the dollar tanking, free trade is
actually desirable.
>Perception and reality are two different things.
Indeed.
Swill
--
Shift Happens
"Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit.
Slow thinkers keep right." - Peter Principle
(US)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljbI-363A2Q&feature=related
http://preview.tinyurl.com/33cvso
(UK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeoKQbT8BKs&feature=related
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6nd7kr
Governor Swill
sand to babble
>The New World Order wants this 'borderless' USA so that it can control
>the currency and it's value across the whole of the Americas and Canada
>in one fell swoop. A couple more of these asinine 'trade agreements',
>and America will essentially have no real borders. This is what the BS hoopla
>over 'immigration' is all about... to take our minds off of the fact that the USA
>is moving toward a borderless society with Canada, Mexico, and South America.
>
>
>That's pretty much the reality, and it's not that difficult to perceive it
What issues do you have with it?
Don't you find it an efficient and effective way to spread democracy
and capitalism?
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message...
> Don't you find it an efficient and effective way to spread democracy
> and capitalism?
Not if you give a shit about was once considered, "The American way of life."
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote...
> Besides, with the dollar tanking, free trade is
> actually desirable.
The phony pretense of "free trade," along with the neo-conservative's
phony wars for profit, IS what is 'tanking' the US Dollar.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote...
> Is Hillary or Obama part of this "New World Order"?
At least "The Real ID" act has yet to pass....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PpMdTmVMpo&feature=related
Jerry Okamura
"David Morgan (MAMS)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
It did no such thing. Besides, it is a meaningless argument in any event,
because none of the Presidential wannabee have said they are against free
trade.
Jerry Okamura
"David Morgan (MAMS)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
trade". Saying something is "free trade" when it is not anywhere close to
what free trade means is dishonest. But no, trade agreements to open up
markets in each country has been the goal of democratic and republican
Presidents, and democratic and republican Congresses. And why do you think
that is? Do you for a second believe that they support these agreemenst
because they think it will harm the United States? As for the value of the
US dollar, do you just think that one reason the dollar is in the bad shape
it is, not because of trade, but because of our national debt, which in
order to pay for that debt, our government has to "float" a whole lot of
promisory notes?
Jerry Okamura
"David Morgan (MAMS)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
of life?
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
> > NAFTA and CAFTA has aided in destroying the US Economy.... this article
> > is quite true.
> It did no such thing.
Of course it did. How much can a US farmer sell corn for in Mexico?
Canada? The US?
> Besides, it is a meaningless argument in any event
You don't seem to think so... primarily becuase you can't see the impact.
> because none of the Presidential wannabee have said they are against free
> trade.
Now THAT is what doesn't make the difference of a flea on a gnat's ass.
Your economy is 'tanking' because you and people like you, have no
clue as to why it's collapsing OR what congressional actions have
contributed to the collapse while you were sleeping or worrying about
what 'figurehead' "president" might be on the puppet strings of the
corporations next.
"America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and
disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I
wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that
the government doesn't want us to know."
-- Gore Vidal
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote...
NAFTA / CAFTA
> And what makes you believe that is not giving a shit about the American way
> of life?
http://www.totse.com/en/politics/economic_documents/nafta1.html
http://www.earlham.edu/~pols/17Fall97/nafta/index.html
EARLY EFFECTS:
"Since the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was
signed in 1993, the rise in the U.S. trade deficit with Canada and
Mexico through 2002 caused the displacement of production that
supported 879,280 U.S. jobs. NAFTA is a free trade and investment
agreement that provided investors with a unique set of guarantees
designed to stimulate foreign direct investment in Mexico and Canada.
It has facilitated the movement of factories from the United States to
Canada and Mexico. Most of these jobs were high-wage positions in
manufacturing industries." -- US Economic Policy Institute (EPI)
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_snapshots_archive_12102003
• The agreement has taken a toll on both U.S. and Mexican jobs,
according to the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS). While real wages
for Mexican manufacturing workers declined 13.5%, more than
half a million U.S. employees have entered government retraining
programs after their companies moved production south or north
of the border, says IPS.
• NAFTA has wiped out Canadian social programs, says IPS.
• The pact has also destroyed Mexico's small farmers, says IPS,
bringing in an influx of subsidized U.S. food imports. In fact, about
1.3 million farm jobs have been lost since 1993, indicates a recent
report by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
"NAFTA has been a disaster for us," remarks pig farmer Julian
Aguilera to Business Week.
• The Carnegie report also concluded that the pact has generated
few new jobs in Mexico and might only be credited for a "very small
net gain" in jobs in the U.S.
• The new study also found that NAFTA has been ineffective in
stemming the tide of illegal Mexican immigrants entering the U.S.
to find jobs. In fact, according to most estimates, the number of
Mexicans working illegally in the U.S. surged to 4.8 million in 2000,
more than twice the 1990 total.
http://www.vdare.com/awall/nafta.htm
--- Martha Ojeda
"The only winners of (NAFTA) are the corporations. And all
social sectors of civil society working class, middle class,
small and medium enterprises, students and universities
and even governments need to unite to fight against these
negative impacts," said Ojeda, who is the executive director
for the Coalition for Justice in the Maquiladoras.
Maquiladora workers face air and water pollutions, poor living
conditions, birth defects and miscarriages from toxic exposure,
sexual harassment and police brutality while earning about $50
a week, Ojeda added. "These workers are in similar or worse
condition than before 1995 when NAFTA was put into effect,"
Ojeda said. The promises of a higher standard of living and an
increase in employment in the border zones of Mexico have
merely become broken promises. The current recession in the
U.S. has led to more than 300,000 maquiladora employees losing
their jobs.
Here.... this is apparently, about your speed....
http://media.www.guilfordian.com/media/storage/paper281/news/2007/12/07/Features/Students.Learn.About.Negative.Effects.Of.Nafta.On.Their.Trip.To.Oaxaca.Mexico-3143036.shtml
"The most pathetic person in the world is someone who has sight
but has no vision."
-- Helen Keller
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message news:48307a8a$0$30482$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>
> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
> news:vZGXj.136$HJ5.9@trnddc01...
> >
> > "Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote...
> >
> >> Besides, with the dollar tanking, free trade is
> >> actually desirable.
> >
> > The phony pretense of "free trade," along with the neo-conservative's
> > phony wars for profit, IS what is 'tanking' the US Dollar.
> Now that I can agree with. It is not "free trade", it is really "managed
> trade".
EXACTLY. Managed for corporate profit... screw the people (here and
abroad) and screw the general economy and the nation's future.
> Saying something is "free trade" when it is not anywhere close to
> what free trade means is dishonest.
EXACTLY.
> But no, trade agreements to open up
> markets in each country has been the goal of democratic and republican
> Presidents, and democratic and republican Congresses. And why do you think
> that is?
It doesn't open up "markets" per se'... as we lose on Import Tariffs... what it
does is open up a door for US corporations to move manufacturing, evade
taxation, and drive foreign workers into joblessness and bankruptcy... say
nothing of the end result to US workers.
> Do you for a second believe that they support these agreemenst
> because they think it will harm the United States?
No .... they DON'T CARE about the US... they care about lining their pockets.
> As for the value of the
> US dollar, do you just think that one reason the dollar is in the bad shape
> it is, not because of trade, but because of our national debt, which in
> order to pay for that debt, our government has to "float" a whole lot of
> promisory notes?
It has little to do with "free trade"... we just got stuck there. It has everything
to do with the greed and deficit spending launched by the Corporate Coup
D'Etat of 2000 and their phony wars of aggression for the natural resources
of other nations from which they can line their own pockets with cash rather
than developing solutions here in the USA that would benefit *everyone*.
If you're watching closely, your government is mortgaging this nation to
China, at the rate of about 3% per year, while borrowing 34% of it's
fiscal domestic budget from them so that they can rob the monies
borrowed by the country and use it on "wars" for oil from which they
can continue to screw the USA.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote
Sorry to be so hot headed... I'm extremely upset at the US economy,
the complacency of the American people and their unwillingness to
investigate congressional actions and take definitive action.
DM
Governor Swill
>"Governor Swill" wrote in message...
>> Don't you find it an efficient and effective way to spread democracy
>> and capitalism?
>Not if you give a shit about was once considered, "The American way of life."
Already gone, man, and you don't even know it. The post war party is
over. Life is about to change. If you want to continue to be greedy
and selfish, fine. Other people have a planetful of neighbors to live
with.
Governor Swill
>"Governor Swill" wrote...
>> Besides, with the dollar tanking, free trade is
>> actually desirable.
>The phony pretense of "free trade," along with the neo-conservative's
>phony wars for profit, IS what is 'tanking' the US Dollar.
You're ignorant too. Free trade isn't tanking the dollar. It
actually increases it's value because dollars are needed to facilitate
trade. It's a global currency.
The dollar is tanking because Bush and the GOP printed trillions of
them and threw them all over the place. It's a supply/demand issue.
But you would know that if you knew about capitalism and economics.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:33k234tigtum769oo...@4ax.com...
> "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" used a stick in the sand to babble
> >"Governor Swill" wrote in message...
> >> Don't you find it an efficient and effective way to spread democracy
> >> and capitalism?
> >Not if you give a shit about what was once considered, "The American way of life."
> Already gone, man, and you don't even know it.
One would have to be pretty damned stupid to assert that. Not that
it's not almost gone, but that I'm too blind to fucking know it. That's
the point of my post, jello-brain.
> The post war party is over.
"Post War" ??? What a fucking laugh. There IS NO "war"..... YET.
All we've got here is the corporate Coup D'Etat of 2000 making a
power play to secure the resources (opium and oil) for foreign
nations in order to keep raping YOUR pocketbook and tranferring
the remaining wealth of this nation away from the middle class.
When the "war" starts, you'll friggin' well know it, because your congress
will say so, and you just might not get your daily intraveneous 'fix' of TV
propaganda any more.
> Life is about to change.
About to ?!?! Now who's living in a box ?
> If you want to continue to be greedy and selfish, fine.
Now you're just talking out your ass... not even making a bit of sense.
You have no clue about me, and that ignorance is showing.
> Other people have a planetful of neighbors to live with.
So now you're making my point FOR me.
Sheeesh, you're talking just to hear your empty fucking head rattle, swill;
get a grip on who your talking to and what the point is before you open
your bung-hole to purge last nights bad dreams.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:t5k234dp9iqegbl7n...@4ax.com...
> "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" used a stick in the sand to babble
> >"Governor Swill" wrote...
> >> Besides, with the dollar tanking, free trade is
> >> actually desirable.
>
> >The phony pretense of "free trade," along with the neo-conservative's
> >phony wars for profit, IS what is 'tanking' the US Dollar.
> You're ignorant too. Free trade isn't tanking the dollar.
As has already been mentioned, it's not "free trade".... it's controlled trade.
> It's a global currency.
Hey shill.... it's NOT a 'global currency'... at least not yet.
> The dollar is tanking because Bush and the GOP printed trillions of
> them and threw them all over the place. It's a supply/demand issue.
> But you would know that if you knew about capitalism and economics.
Kiss my ass.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote....
> The dollar is tanking because Bush and the GOP printed trillions of
> them and threw them all over the place.
By the way.... do some research and grow a brain....
Bush and the GOP didn't print a damned thing. The USA hasn't printed
it's own currency since the Federal Reserve Act. (The Federal Reserve
has *nothing* to do with the USA... it's a group of international bankers
who LOAN money to the USA). 100% of all Income Tax revenue collected
each year, does not even come *close* to paying the INTEREST on this
borrowed money.
The corporate Coup D'Etat of 2000 is *borrowing* everything that comes
from the so-call "Federal" reserve, and paying huge interest on it. That
money is used for war and to keep the corporation who should be 'tanking'
(real estate lenders and credit companies) afloat in order to pass the
burden on to the citizen.... the rest of the domestic issues are being paid
for by money borrowed from China and the middle east.
This country does NOT print it's own money.... not since the early 1900s.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message...
> The dollar is tanking because Bush and the GOP printed trillions of
> them
The USA hasn't been responsible for printing money since 1915.
Private international corporations and banking institutions lend the
US the right to print money, so long as they control it's value and
it's distribution, and earn interest from doing so.
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/final_warning/federal_reserve_act.htm
Governor Swill
sand to babble
>> The post war party is over.
>
>"Post War" ??? What a fucking laugh. There IS NO "war"..... YET.
Second World War. Read my comments again with your history clock
rolled back to Truman and it'll make more sense.
Governor Swill
sand to babble
>> It's a global currency.
>
>Hey shill.... it's NOT a 'global currency'... at least not yet.
Certainly is and has been for decades. You can spend dollars anywhere
in the world. Taxi drivers in Moscow and hookers in Bangkok will
accept them.
zzbu...@netscape.net
> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in messagenews:KOlXj.81$ah.6@trnddc06...
>
>
>
>
>
> >news:482de0a7$0$7072$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>
> >> "CTC" <ctc_pr...@charter.net> wrote in message
Well, mo. Since Clinton just about single-handedly threw
GPS to the dogs, that's where all the neo-neo-robots come from.
And since the only thing Obama knows about Politics
is giving pep rallies for Canadian Geese, it also why the people
who how know things work are building of them.
>
> - Show quoted text -
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message...
> "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> scribed...
> >> The post war party is over.
> >"Post War" ??? What a fucking laugh. There IS NO "war"..... YET.
> Second World War. Read my comments again with your history clock
> rolled back to Truman and it'll make more sense.
Hmmm... We were discussing the American way of life in present terms...
but I see your somewhat obfuscated point, and it makes sense.
DM
America is NOT at war - the U.S. Military is at war.
AMERICA is at the mall.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message...
> "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> reiterated
> >> It's a global currency.
> >Hey shill.... it's NOT a 'global currency'... at least not yet.
> Certainly is and has been for decades. You can spend dollars anywhere
> in the world. Taxi drivers in Moscow and hookers in Bangkok will
> accept them.
Stay clear with your points. "Currency" is exchangeable. The value of that
currency however, is totally unstable and cannot be considered "global".
Most countries are even eliminating the dollar from trade in oil... the only
real reason that the unbacked paper from America has carried much
weight at all. Now that it's worth about half of what a Euro is, and rapidly
approaching equality with the freaking PESO, it's virtually worthless for
ANYthing regarding "global" usage.
There is no "global economy" yet... but the Neo-Cons are working on it.
The first thing they have to do in order for that to work, is bankrupt America.
Cheers,
DM
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or
that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt
Governor Swill
>"Governor Swill" wrote in message...
>> David Morgan \(MAMS\) reiterated
>> >> It's a global currency.
>> >Hey shill.... it's NOT a 'global currency'... at least not yet.
>> Certainly is and has been for decades. You can spend dollars anywhere
>> in the world. Taxi drivers in Moscow and hookers in Bangkok will
>> accept them.
>Stay clear with your points. "Currency" is exchangeable. The value of that
>currency however, is totally unstable and cannot be considered "global".
>Most countries are even eliminating the dollar from trade in oil... the only
>real reason that the unbacked paper from America has carried much
>weight at all. Now that it's worth about half of what a Euro is, and rapidly
>approaching equality with the freaking PESO, it's virtually worthless for
>ANYthing regarding "global" usage.
>
>There is no "global economy" yet... but the Neo-Cons are working on it.
>The first thing they have to do in order for that to work, is bankrupt America.
You should do some more research. Many of your statements are in
error.
For example, more than 60% of the currency held by world governments
as their nation's reserves are in US dollars.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3rrp345emlutjguhc...@4ax.com...
> This is David Morgan's brain on drugs:
> >"Governor Swill" wrote in message...
> >> David Morgan \(MAMS\) reiterated
> >> >> It's a global currency.
> >> >Hey shill.... it's NOT a 'global currency'... at least not yet.
>
> >> Certainly is and has been for decades. You can spend dollars anywhere
> >> in the world. Taxi drivers in Moscow and hookers in Bangkok will
> >> accept them.
>
> >Stay clear with your points. "Currency" is exchangeable. The value of that
> >currency however, is totally unstable and cannot be considered "global".
> >Most countries are even eliminating the dollar from trade in oil... the only
> >real reason that the unbacked paper from America has carried much
> >weight at all. Now that it's worth about half of what a Euro is, and rapidly
> >approaching equality with the freaking PESO, it's virtually worthless for
> >ANYthing regarding "global" usage.
> >
> >There is no "global economy" yet... but the Neo-Cons are working on it.
> >The first thing they have to do in order for that to work, is bankrupt America.
> You should do some more research. Many of your statements are in
> error.
> For example, more than 60% of the currency held by world governments
> as their nation's reserves are in US dollars.
In other words, they own the US... not the American people. Why is that?
They are also in the process of dumping this currency as fast as they
can without ruining their own economies and more than the rapidly
devaluing Dollar already is.
China dumped a cool **trillion** US Dollar$ last fall... just before they
loaned the USA 34% of it's domestic fiscal budget for 2008.
The US Dollar..... It's not a pretty sight to ANYONE right now.
Governor Swill
>> >The first thing they have to do in order for that to work, is bankrupt America.
>> You should do some more research. Many of your statements are in
>> error.
>> For example, more than 60% of the currency held by world governments
>> as their nation's reserves are in US dollars.
>In other words, they own the US... not the American people. Why is that?
>They are also in the process of dumping this currency as fast as they
>can without ruining their own economies and more than the rapidly
>devaluing Dollar already is.
>China dumped a cool **trillion** US Dollar$ last fall... just before they
>loaned the USA 34% of it's domestic fiscal budget for 2008.
>The US Dollar..... It's not a pretty sight to ANYONE right now.
The US$ is trusted enough that many countries use it to back their own
currency just as nations once used gold or silver.
This gives the US enormous trade clout across the planet. Essentially,
we effectively have enormous control over the planet's money supply
and international trade.
Commodities world wide are traded in dollars, oil being only the most
famous. At large scales, dollars are universally accepted anywhere.
Russia takes dollars for it's oil even though it's number one customer
is Europe. The US even dictates facets of Cuba's trade policy by it's
control of dollars.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ms2v34ph3h0o6g2vg...@4ax.com...
> This is David Morgan's brain on drugs:
> >> >There is no "global economy" yet... but the Neo-Cons are working on it.
> >> >The first thing they have to do in order for that to work, is bankrupt America.
> >> You should do some more research. Many of your statements are in
> >> error.
>
> >> For example, more than 60% of the currency held by world governments
> >> as their nation's reserves are in US dollars.
> >In other words, they own the US... not the American people. Why is that?
> >They are also in the process of dumping this currency as fast as they
> >can without ruining their own economies any more than the rapidly
> >devaluing Dollar already is.
> >China dumped a cool **trillion** US Dollar$ last fall... just before they
> >loaned the USA 34% of it's domestic fiscal budget for 2008.
> >The US Dollar..... It's not a pretty sight to ANYONE right now.
> The US$ is trusted enough that many countries use it to back their own
> currency just as nations once used gold or silver.
You should change your "is" to a WAS.
> This gives the US enormous trade clout across the planet. Essentially,
> we effectively have enormous control over the planet's money supply
> and international trade.
>
> Commodities world wide are traded in dollars, oil being only the most
> famous. At large scales, dollars are universally accepted anywhere.
> Russia takes dollars for it's oil even though it's number one customer
> is Europe. The US even dictates facets of Cuba's trade policy by it's
> control of dollars.
It would appear that you're trying to defend 'as positive', the fact that
the US Dollar -which was worth $1.26 to the Euro in 2000- which is
now worth .56 Cents to the Euro, is collapsing at an alarmingly fast
rate.
I fail to see your points here as being anything other than a very OLD
history lesson which is tettering on the verge of no longer being very
'applicable'... just like the US Economy and it's worthless Dollar.
Governor Swill
>> The US$ is trusted enough that many countries use it to back their own
>> currency just as nations once used gold or silver.
>You should change your "is" to a WAS.
It goes up, it goes down, but the US has still a disproportionate
degree of control over the flow of trade on he planet. This was a
primary tool in the Cold War and stopped Soviet Communism well, cold.
>> This gives the US enormous trade clout across the planet. Essentially,
>> we effectively have enormous control over the planet's money supply
>> and international trade.
>> Commodities world wide are traded in dollars, oil being only the most
>> famous. At large scales, dollars are universally accepted anywhere.
>> Russia takes dollars for it's oil even though it's number one customer
>> is Europe. The US even dictates facets of Cuba's trade policy by it's
>> control of dollars.
>It would appear that you're trying to defend 'as positive', the fact that
>the US Dollar -which was worth $1.26 to the Euro in 2000- which is
>now worth .56 Cents to the Euro, is collapsing at an alarmingly fast
>rate.
This is because more are needed. The same thing happened in the
seventies. The system collapsed, was modified, Nixon went off gold
and dollars became pieces of paper.
Checks and balances. Enemies *could* wreck the economy by dumping
dollars, but they also know what will happen if they do. With no
unified currency available for use, trade is seriously affected and
wars get started. It is this arrangement that Kissinger and Nixon
established with the Chinese. The ideology is irrelevant, what's
important is using the same economic framework. Both capitalism and
communism state as an objective economic empowerment, they take
radically different approaches. Communism submerges the individual
into the mass of the state and makes sure everybody has about what
they need. Capitalism exalts the individual over the power of the
State and ensures men the freedom to do as they will.
We can clearly see which system better provides for it's People.
In this particular application, we have bound nations into a universal
trade base wherein a given group has a distinct and stated advantage,
and yet operates that system in agreement with the most powerful
signatories.
The dollar is the American Empire.
>I fail to see your points here as being anything other than a very OLD
>history lesson which is tettering on the verge of no longer being very
>'applicable'... just like the US Economy and it's worthless Dollar.
A global adjustment to the presence of the euro and changing
conditions with oil.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> David Morgan /(MAMS)/ <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote...
> >"Governor Swill"wrote
> >> The US$ is trusted enough that many countries use it to back their own
> >> currency just as nations once used gold or silver.
> >You should change your "is" to a WAS.
> It goes up, it goes down, but the US has still a disproportionate
> degree of control over the flow of trade on he planet. This was a
> primary tool in the Cold War and stopped Soviet Communism well, cold.
It also crashes.... and what brought down the Soviet Union was their
currency failure.
> >> This gives the US enormous trade clout across the planet. Essentially,
> >> we effectively have enormous control over the planet's money supply
> >> and international trade.
> >>
> >> Commodities world wide are traded in dollars, oil being only the most
> >> famous. At large scales, dollars are universally accepted anywhere.
> >> Russia takes dollars for it's oil even though it's number one customer
> >> is Europe. The US even dictates facets of Cuba's trade policy by it's
> >> control of dollars.
> > It would appear that you're trying to defend 'as positive', the fact that
> > the US Dollar -which was worth $1.26 to the Euro in 2000- which is
> > now worth .56 Cents to the Euro, is collapsing at an alarmingly fast
> > rate.
> This is because more are needed.
More WHAT ???? Dollars ?!?!?!?!
> The same thing happened in the seventies. The system collapsed,
The "system" did NOT "collapse"... I have no idea where you get that bullshit.
I was in my 20's in the seventies, and everyone I knew was simply aghast
and begging for the reason we dumped the gold standard..... but now I have
learned about the New World Order, the World Bank, and the so-called new
plans for a Global Economy, or O W E (apt name, eh?) One World Economy.
> was modified,
Modified ??
> Nixon went off gold
> and dollars became pieces of paper.
Yes.... worthless pieces of paper... were it not for the OIL they owned and
the fact that back then, America was still a nation of producers and had yet
to become a nation of whimpering, whining, gullible consumers. As has
been said to me right here recently, it doesn't matter how you package it
or sell it, a bucket of shit remains a bucket of shit... but Americans are
buying it up.
> Checks and balances. Enemies *could* wreck the economy by dumping
> dollars, but they also know what will happen if they do.
Right.... the **instantaneous** downfall of the USA... with no shots fired.
> With no
> unified currency available for use, trade is seriously affected and
> wars get started.
There IS a coming unified currency... and it ISN'T the US Dollar. The vast
majority of nations are either considering or have *already* moved toward
using the Euro for internation trade... and many of the OPECs are pushing
for this change as well.
America has to borrow 3 Billion US dollars DAILY to maintain it's economy.
> The ideology is irrelevant, what's
> important is using the same economic framework.
Unless it's America becoming the fascist communists and China along
with Russia, the burdgeoning new democracies.... then, it's a real pisser
for the American people.
> Communism submerges the individual
> into the mass of the state and makes sure everybody has about what
> they need.
Welcome to *exactly* what is happening in the USA today.
There's no doubt that the US is still a *key* market economy, but it's an
economy of consumers (takers/buyers) and not producers (mfgrs/sellers).
> Capitalism exalts the individual over the power of the
> State and ensures men the freedom to do as they will.
Welcome to the new Russia of today.
> We can clearly see which system better provides for it's People.
You are in a severe state of denial.
> In this particular application, we have bound nations into a universal
> trade base wherein a given group has a distinct and stated advantage,
> and yet operates that system in agreement with the most powerful
> signatories.
China, Russia, and the Eurpoean Union are now those characters.
> The dollar is the American Empire.
Which is exactly WHY there IS NO more "American Empire".
There IS NO DOLLAR. There is only valueless paper.
> > I fail to see your points here as being anything other than a very OLD
> > history lesson which is tettering on the verge of no longer being very
> > 'applicable'... just like the US Economy and it's worthless Dollar.
> A global adjustment to the presence of the euro and changing
> conditions with oil.
Hey dip-head.... my WHOLE POINT here has been your little "Global
Adjustment". An adjustment by the New World Order which requires
that the USA be brought to it's knees economically in order to ensure
that it comes on par with the lesser economies before they can install
their new One World Economy.
The dollar is O U T....... and along with it, so is the typical American
way of living. The Yuan and the Euro are on the way up.
http://www.ecb.int/ecb/history/emu/html/index.en.html
Get used to the value of these little diddies.... it's going to change REAL soon.
http://www.chinatoday.com/fin/mon/
And this should be a reference for every NWO and OneWorldEconomy lover...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Currency_Unit
"If our nation is ever taken over, it will be taken over from within."
~ James Madison
zzbu...@netscape.net
wrote:
> "Governor Swill" <governor.sw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Well, the reason for that is simple. Since the idiots in the US
found out in the
last depression, that when your economy specializes in producing
nothing
but booze, machine guns, hollywood movies, and grocery stores, it's
not an economy, it's neo-Jeruselum.
So many people branched out into computers, satellites, robots,
lasers,
and cruise missiles for the assholes.
> Get used to the value of these little diddies.... it's going to change REAL soon.http://www.chinatoday.com/fin/mon/
>
> And this should be a reference for every NWO and OneWorldEconomy lover...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Currency_Unit
Governor Swill
drugs:
>> Checks and balances. Enemies *could* wreck the economy by dumping
>> dollars, but they also know what will happen if they do.
>
>Right.... the **instantaneous** downfall of the USA... with no shots fired.
BZZZZT! You lose. It would result in a complete disruption of the
global economy. It's a two edged sword. Btw, this money management
system brought down the USSR without a shot being fired.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message..
> Btw, this money management
> system brought down the USSR without a shot being fired.
My point exactly.... I think your arguing just to hear your head rattle.
;-)
Governor Swill
>> wars get started.
>
>There IS a coming unified currency... and it ISN'T the US Dollar. The vast
>majority of nations are either considering or have *already* moved toward
>using the Euro for internation trade... and many of the OPECs are pushing
>for this change as well.
Well don't get hysterical on us. You sound like the girl in an old
horror movie. You know, the one who tries to out run the monster but
she trips and turns an ankle at the crucial moment? And what you say
is categorically untrue. While Chavez has made noise and Ahmad has
cut an oil for euro deal with China, the problem is more one of too
few dollars in the global economy than too many.
>America has to borrow 3 Billion US dollars DAILY to maintain it's economy.
So? America has the best credit rating in the world. Mostly because
we own the bank. Yeah, all this is going on but don't be so panicky
about the results. The bank isn't likely to go bankrupt, there aren't
going to be any runs. The silver lining in all this is checks and
balances and the fact that Bush is on his way out. Besides, if any
action is necessary, it would be to get more dollars in circulation,
not less. In fact, it's essential to ending poverty in Africa. They
can't get out of poverty without money and right now, there are only
three viable international currencies remaining, the dollar, the euro
and running a distant third, the pound sterling.
Governor Swill
>> There's no doubt that the US is still a *key* market economy, but it's an
>> economy of consumers (takers/buyers) and not producers (mfgrs/sellers).
>
> Well, the reason for that is simple. Since the idiots in the US
>found out in the
> last depression, that when your economy specializes in producing
>nothing
> but booze, machine guns, hollywood movies, and grocery stores, it's
> not an economy, it's neo-Jeruselum.
> So many people branched out into computers, satellites, robots,
>lasers,
> and cruise missiles for the assholes.
All of which were invented by us.
Except the booze and your inclusion of that on your list shows your
ignorance. America is hardly a boozing nation.
Governor Swill
>Governor Swill wrote
>> system brought down the USSR without a shot being fired.
>My point exactly.... I think your arguing just to hear your head rattle.
>;-)
Yes, you did note the currency system was part of what brought down
the us, but then you said, "Right.... the **instantaneous** downfall
of the USA... with no shots fired."
Except that it would not mean the "instantaneous downfall" of the US.
While I think there might be considerable economic shock, we would
find a way to recover and in any case, right now there is no adequate
substitute. There aren't enough euros and nobody else has a currency
strong enough to back their paper.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1n9544lkl8p08u5cd...@4ax.com...
> This is David Morgan's brain on drugs:
> >> With no unified currency available for use, trade is seriously affected and
> >> wars get started.
> >
> >There IS a coming unified currency... and it ISN'T the US Dollar. The vast
> >majority of nations are either considering or have *already* moved toward
> >using the Euro for internation trade... and many of the OPECs are pushing
> >for this change as well.
> And what you say is categorically untrue.
I'm afraid that you can not call something "categorically untrue" and then
cite examples of it's truth. I'll save you the embarrassment of quoting.
> > America has to borrow 3 Billion US dollars DAILY to maintain it's economy.
> So?
Uhh..... I'm not sure that you're really asking that question.
> America has the best credit rating in the world.
All I can say, is that either you are living in the dark ages, or you
simply can't bring yourself to face the reality of America's crumbling
monetary system and economy.
America can't pay it's bills and it's dollar is worth less than half of
what it was just 7 years ago. Wake UUUUUUUuuuuuup.
"No form of government, once in power, can be trusted to limit
its own ambition, to extend freedom and to wither away. This
means that it is up to the citizenry, those outside of power, to
engage in permanent combat with the state, short of violent,
escalatory revolution, but beyond the gentility of the ballot-box,
to insure justice, freedom and well being."
-- Howard Zinn
Governor Swill
>Governor Swill wrote
>> >> With no unified currency available for use, trade is seriously affected and
>> >> wars get started.
>> >
>> >There IS a coming unified currency... and it ISN'T the US Dollar. The vast
>> >majority of nations are either considering or have *already* moved toward
>> >using the Euro for internation trade... and many of the OPECs are pushing
>> >for this change as well.
>
>> And what you say is categorically untrue.
>
>I'm afraid that you can not call something "categorically untrue" and then
>cite examples of it's truth. I'll save you the embarrassment of quoting.
You wrote, "The vast majority of nations are either considering or
have *already* moved toward using the Euro for internation trade...
and many of the OPECs are pushing for this change as well."
Use of the euro is no different from the use of pounds, marks, or
Swiss francs. Nations are free to trade in currencies that aren't
dollars and long have. I don't refute this, but I do refute that the
"vast majority" are shifting from the dollar to the euro. This
demonstrates your lack of understanding of how international money
transfers are handled.
>> > America has to borrow 3 Billion US dollars DAILY to maintain it's economy.
>> So?
>Uhh..... I'm not sure that you're really asking that question.
Be sure. Explain the down side and also why that down side is a
problem.
>> America has the best credit rating in the world.
>
>All I can say, is that either you are living in the dark ages, or you
>simply can't bring yourself to face the reality of America's crumbling
>monetary system and economy.
>
>America can't pay it's bills and it's dollar is worth less than half of
>what it was just 7 years ago. Wake UUUUUUUuuuuuup.
Which is typical partisan hysteria. America's credit rating is the
reason we can do stuff like this. We run the bank.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> We run the bank.
"We" don't 'run' a damned thing. The World Bank and the phony "Fed"
lend us the money to work with. America is bankrupt. Again, all of the
monies collected from the income tax system each year do not even
come close to paying the INTEREST on the monies borrowed just to
keep America's economy from tanking.
Your points are still somewhat valid, but their validity is fading away
at lightening speed.
Cheers,
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment
insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear
of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group of course,
that believes you can do these things. Among them are... a few other Texas oil
millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas.
Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
-- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 11/8/54
lora...@cs.com
> Use of the euro is no different from the use of pounds, marks, or
> Swiss francs.
False. The use of an international monetary basis destroys the ability
of any particular country from being able to manage their own economy.
Any such nation must submit to economity control excercised by foreign
policies.
> Nations are free to trade in currencies that aren't
> dollars and long have. I don't refute this, but I do refute that the
> "vast majority" are shifting from the dollar to the euro.
Then you are ignoring reality. There have been significant moneys away
from the USD.
> >> > America has to borrow 3 Billion US dollars DAILY to maintain it's economy.
> >> So?
> >Uhh..... I'm not sure that you're really asking that question.
>
> Be sure. Explain the down side and also why that down side is a
> problem.
The downside is that the US apparently can't even service its debt.
That means that the country is bankrupt.
> >> America has the best credit rating in the world.
>
> >All I can say, is that either you are living in the dark ages, or you
> >simply can't bring yourself to face the reality of America's crumbling
> >monetary system and economy.
>
> >America can't pay it's bills and it's dollar is worth less than half of
> >what it was just 7 years ago. Wake UUUUUUUuuuuuup.
>
> Which is typical partisan hysteria. America's credit rating is the
> reason we can do stuff like this. We run the bank.
> Swill
Run a dwindling bank..in economic freefall.
Governor Swill
> Governor Swill wrote:
>> >> > America has to borrow 3 Billion US dollars DAILY to maintain it's economy.
>> >> So?
>> >Uhh..... I'm not sure that you're really asking that question.
>>
>> Be sure. Explain the down side and also why that down side is a
>> problem.
>
>The downside is that the US apparently can't even service its debt.
>That means that the country is bankrupt.
Can't service it's debt? Has the US government missed any payments?
Defaulted on any loans?
>> >> America has the best credit rating in the world.
>>
>> >All I can say, is that either you are living in the dark ages, or you
>> >simply can't bring yourself to face the reality of America's crumbling
>> >monetary system and economy.
>>
>> >America can't pay it's bills and it's dollar is worth less than half of
>> >what it was just 7 years ago. Wake UUUUUUUuuuuuup.
>>
>> Which is typical partisan hysteria. America's credit rating is the
>> reason we can do stuff like this. We run the bank.
>> Swill
>
>Run a dwindling bank..in economic freefall.
O ye of little faith.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> ...
> Can't service it's debt?
That is correct. It can not even pay the interest on it's debt.
> Has the US government missed any payments?
I dunno.... show me their AP ledger. ;-)
> Defaulted on any loans?
The New World Order won't let that be discussed. No one really knows
how far the USA is truthfully in debt... it's all a part of the plan to break
the USA down to the level of a 3rd world country so that the One World
Economy can be brought to fruition.
> O ye of little faith.
O we of common sense and the ability to discern the obvious from the
lake of propaganda and balances 'on paper'.
"It takes a lot of degeneration before a country falls into dictatorship,
but we should avoid these ends by avoiding these beginnings."
-- Sandra Day O'Connor, March 9, 2006
“Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is
absolute master of all industry and commerce… and when
you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled,
one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you
will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression
originate.”
-- President James A. Garfield 1881
“The real menace of our republic is the invisible government
which, like a giant octopus, sprawls its slimy length over our
city, state and nation. At the head is a small group of banking
houses, generally referred to as international bankers.”
-- John F. Hylan, Mayor of New York, 1911
"The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price,
peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of
soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life."
-- Theodore Roosevelt - (1858-1919) 26th US President
Governor Swill
>"Governor Swill" wrote:
>> Can't service it's debt?
>That is correct. It can not even pay the interest on it's debt.
>> Has the US government missed any payments?
>I dunno.... show me their AP ledger. ;-)
Dodge? I have heard nothing to suggest that the US is defaulting on
debt. To the contrary, we're spending more on wars than on interest.
>> Defaulted on any loans?
>
>The New World Order won't let that be discussed. No one really knows
>how far the USA is truthfully in debt... it's all a part of the plan to break
>the USA down to the level of a 3rd world country so that the One World
>Economy can be brought to fruition.
The United States leads the New World Order and the best tactic is not
to withdraw into ourselves as a nation because our power no longer
derives only from ourselves. We draw it from our allies. It will
truly be a New World Order with the United States right up front.
>> O ye of little faith.
>O we of common sense and the ability to discern the obvious from the
>lake of propaganda and balances 'on paper'.
It's not money anymore. It's evolved into a scoring system. Kinda
makes me think of how science fiction authors used to call currency
"credits". Yup. That's what we have. Credits. But we call them
dollars and euros and pounds and yen and so on.
So what. There isn't enough of anything to become a universal trade
currency. It's all just entries in ledgers and pretty much everybody
in our society has enough to get by very well indeed.
I don't see the problem.
Swill
--
Gobama! Gobama! Gobama! Gobama!
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message...
> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote patiently...
> >"Governor Swill" wrote:
> >> Can't service it's debt?
> >That is correct. It can not even pay the interest on it's debt.
> >> Has the US government missed any payments?
> >I dunno.... show me their AP ledger. ;-)
> Dodge?
I dodge nothing... as you clearly continue to make my points FOR me.
> I have heard nothing to suggest that the US is defaulting on debt.
No news is good news then. eh?
Do you really think the global elite are going to let the press tell the
American people that their in for a heap of shit because their nation's
government has spent and borrowed them into oblivion? Of course not.
> To the contrary, we're spending more on wars than on interest.
There you go.... make my point FOR me.
$341.4 million per day on Iraq alone. Can't very well pay your loans back
when you're spending your money in a last-ditch effort to rob the natural
resources of a foreign nation so that you can continue to rape people
of their last dollars before collpasing themselves.
> >> Defaulted on any loans?
The entire credit and mortgage system is failing... so is the government.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/03/03/ccview103.xml
> >The New World Order won't let that be discussed. No one really knows
> >how far the USA is truthfully in debt... it's all a part of the plan to break
> >the USA down to the level of a 3rd world country so that the One World
> >Economy can be brought to fruition.
> The United States leads the New World Order
You're nuts.
Here's a nice advertisement for you...
Three FREE Reports Reveal Where The Smart
Money is Heading As The Dollar Collapses!
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/newsletter/default78.aspx?sc=G100&Ec=75663&gclid=CPeP3qiT2pMCFRJPxgodtzGmSw
http://www.smartprofitsreport.com/ppc/t4/dollar0301.html
With the dollar near its lowest rate against the pound in 26 years,
and its lowest rate against the euro ever, many Europeans are
looking at the United States the way some Americans have long
viewed Latin America and the Caribbean and, once upon a time,
Europe — as a cheap place to flex their strong currency.
-- New York Times
Foreign "shoppers" aren't going to keep America afloat.
Here's what Russia thinks about the US economy...
http://english.pravda.ru/topic/us_economy_future-460
Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said in
September 2007 that the euro could replace the U.S. dollar
as the world's primary reserve currency.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Fears_grow_about_U.S._dollar_stability
> and the best tactic is not
> to withdraw into ourselves as a nation because our power no longer
> derives only from ourselves.
Pleasing thought... but that's about it.
This is old news, but you would do well to remind yourself that the money
in your pocket esn't worth didly-squat...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/08/07/bcnchina107a.xml
> We draw it from our allies.
We have no "allies" in the sense that you imply here.. other than England
and perhaps still Australia.
> It will truly be a New World Order with the United States right up front.
Duuuude.... you're getting really scary here.
We went to war to steal OIL and prolong the Dollar... and you *agree* with that shit ??
http://operationawakening.wordpress.com/category/the-failing-economy/
Revisited - The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War With Iraq:
A Macroeconomic and Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth
by William Clark
Original Essay January 2003
-Revised March 2003
-Post-invasion Commentary January 2004
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html
> >> O ye of little faith.
> >O we of common sense and the ability to discern the obvious from the
> >lake of propaganda and balances 'on paper'.
> It's not money anymore.
So now you admit that there IS NO remaining solvency in American Dollars...
> It's evolved into a scoring system.
Right... for everyone but the US and it's people.... who are the targets.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/15/business/worldbusiness/15euro.html
Sheeeeesh..... take a break.... I grow bored with your idealism
and your voluntary ignorance of the truth about the US Economy.
Plus, you're scaring me with this New World Order bullshit.
See ya 'round.....
"The most pathetic person in the world is someone
who has sight but has no vision."
-- Helen Keller
*fas-cism* (fash'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a
dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state
and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.
-- The American Heritage Dictionary
Governor Swill
I disagree with many of your conclusions. I don't see the situation
as being quite that dire.
So what if China dumps a trillion or two on the markets? It's a cup
in the bucket compared to the dollars Bush has dumped. And if China
does anything, anything at all to push the dollar down, they're
cutting their own throats and this goes for pretty much all of our
trading partners. The farther the dollar drops, the harder it is for
them to sell in the world's richest market. They will temper any
desire to quickly divest themselves of dollars. Toyota can't sell
Corollas in the US if Chevy can sell comparable Cobalts for half the
dollars.
The 21st century is China's century in much the same way the 20th was
America's. Hopefully, that growth will not require war.
Many, many other nations have copied our ways and they're rich now
too. They're forming all sorts of political and economic groupings
that often overlap. The EU may soon eclipse the US economy. This
shuffling and melding of powers is a global reaction to the coming of
China. In one nation, roughly the size of the US, lives almost a
third of the planet's population. In one country. A third.
Hmm . . .
Yet many Americans are still having trouble coming to grips with
NAFTA. It is not only necessary, it is inevitable. We simply cannot
compete with what China will be in thirty years. Thus Brussels is
well prepared to compete with Beijing because Europe began it's unity
process sixty years ago. That's almost three generations.
NAFTA not only strengthens our relations in this hemisphere, it helps
keep the Chinese out but many Americans are terrified of losing . . .
something. Maybe they fear a loss of the Bill of Rights?
Has nobody noticed how friendly China has been with South American
countries? We're jacking our sticks in Iraq while China cozies up to
our southern neighbors. Brazil is a massive boom nation. Venezuela is
a member of OPEC. They're no longer victims of the Cold War, but
that's no reason to give them to China's sphere of influence. Yet
somehow, some idiot decided that somebody else's desert was a greater
security risk than our own back yard.
You're seeing a piece of a much bigger picture. Flow with it, find
the silver linings take advantage. You'll do ok.
I got some stuff to do but I'll catch up with you later on this
interesting discussion.
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Governor Swill" <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> I got some stuff to do but I'll catch up with you later on this
> interesting discussion.
I'm bowing out Swill... permanently. There will be no more
Usenet for me. I have to make better use of my time.
Cheers,
DM