Seeking photos.....
jim
helping that I can get.
The people can be helping people or animals. The "help" can be as simple as
helping someone across the street or as dangerous as dragging a fellow
soldier out of the line of fire. They can be of humans helping humans or
humans helping animals. They can even be of people just doing a good deed.
The essence of the picture should be that of a person giving of themselves
to help others.
It would seem that these photos abound...but I am having problems finding
them. If you have seen such images would you please post links to them
here.
I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks!
jim
Eric
Surely you dont expect to get them for free?
Eric
Burt Johnson
> I am seeking photos for a new project. I want all of the photos of people
> helping that I can get.
iStockphoto.com is your best bet
--
- Burt Johnson
MindStorm, Inc.
http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html
jim
Depends on the image really.
I will use them as illustrations in a poem to be published.
jim
"Eric bo...@blueyonder.co.uk>" <eric<spamfree> wrote in message
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jim
I haven't restricted myself to just "free" photography. (God knows its
expensive taking digital pictures nowadays - what with all of the clicking
and everything.).
I haven't found photos of people helping each other and animals or being
caught doing good deeds in any sort of numbers at all.
It seems that the most images of people that I find are of their dispair or
hurt.
But, I guess that's what people buy now... They feed on destruction and
death and all things negative.
How very sad.
jim
"Neil Barker" <ne...@nemesis.nu> wrote in message
news:MPG.2259d0892...@127.0.0.1...
> In article <A3JHj.27661$rC6....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, j...@home.net
> says...
>
>> It would seem that these photos abound...
>
> Not for free they don't.
>
> --
> Neil Barker
jim
But, the majority of the photos that I have seen there are staged. I am
looking for actual moments in time where a person was caught doing a good
deed.
Thanks.
jim
"Burt Johnson" <bu...@mindstorm-inc.com> wrote in message
news:1iem1et.x4xauv10o0bfvN%bu...@mindstorm-inc.com...
^Ebony-Temuchin^
> Not at all they don't.
>
> I haven't restricted myself to just "free" photography. (God knows its
> expensive taking digital pictures nowadays - what with all of the clicking
> and everything.).
And time to take the photo and time to process it from raw, petrol to
get to the location you take the shot, power to charge the battery and
run the computer.
How much does it cost you to sit at a keyboard and tap tap tap out a
poem? Do you give your books away?
Paul Furman
> jim wrote:
>>
>> (God knows its expensive taking digital pictures nowadays -
>> what with all of the clicking and everything.).
>
> poem? Do you give your books away?
Ouch.
Good point though, and don't forget food & rent...
jim
"^Ebony-Temuchin^" <brooker...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It doesn't cost me a thing. I do it in my spare time because it is
something that I love to do.
And, no I don't give the hard copy books away, however I would gladly give
away the ebooks.
Salt with that foot?
jim
jim
> In article <_GZHj.28394$vr3....@bignews2.bellsouth.net>, j...@home.net
> says...
>> Not at all they don't.
>>
>> I haven't restricted myself to just "free" photography. (God knows its
>> expensive taking digital pictures nowadays - what with all of the
>> clicking
>> and everything.).
>
I don't need a clue - this isn't a mystery novel.....I need images.
And, I don't have those either.
More to the point, I evidently have nobody here that has a clue where to get
(steal, borrow or purchse) them either.
Odd for a photography group, wouldn't you say?
jim
^Ebony-Temuchin^
No, we just don't to help a fuckwit like you
--
"If someone had told me in 1989 that the BBS I started would eventually
become Usenet" - Douglas
http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.photo/msg/01b383a7d3a33dc3
^Ebony-Temuchin^
And you expect people to help you while you carry on like a fuckwit.
Back under the bridge you go Troll.
Burt Johnson
> That's a great site. I use it for photos for websites mostly.
>
> But, the majority of the photos that I have seen there are staged. I am
> looking for actual moments in time where a person was caught doing a good
> deed.
The reason most are staged is because of the requirement for a model
release for any photo in which anyone is identifiable, even if only in a
crowd. That makes it pretty hard to post any "man on fhe street"
photos.
There are a lot of other sites out there, but I haven't really looked
into them. If you find one with relaxed model releases, let us know.
jim
> jim wrote:
>> "Neil Barker" <ne...@nemesis.nu> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.225a8dfef...@127.0.0.1...
>>> In article <_GZHj.28394$vr3....@bignews2.bellsouth.net>, j...@home.net
>>> says...
>>>> Not at all they don't.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't restricted myself to just "free" photography. (God knows its
>>>> expensive taking digital pictures nowadays - what with all of the
>>>> clicking
>>>> and everything.).
>>> You really haven't got a clue, have you ?
>>
>> I don't need a clue - this isn't a mystery novel.....I need images.
>>
>> And, I don't have those either.
>>
>> More to the point, I evidently have nobody here that has a clue where to
>> get (steal, borrow or purchse) them either.
>>
>> Odd for a photography group, wouldn't you say?
>>
>> jim
>
> No, we just don't to help a fuckwit like you
Help? Where the fuck have you seen any help?
jim
jim
> jim <j...@home.net> wrote:
>
>> That's a great site. I use it for photos for websites mostly.
>>
>> But, the majority of the photos that I have seen there are staged. I am
>> looking for actual moments in time where a person was caught doing a good
>> deed.
>
> The reason most are staged is because of the requirement for a model
> release for any photo in which anyone is identifiable, even if only in a
> crowd. That makes it pretty hard to post any "man on fhe street"
> photos.
>
> There are a lot of other sites out there, but I haven't really looked
> into them. If you find one with relaxed model releases, let us know.
What about photojournalism images? Do those also require a model release?
Like the famous photos that you see in Time and such.... Those are real
people in real moments of action. That's what I'm searching for - just of
people being caught doing a good deed.
jim
jim
> jim wrote:
>> "^Ebony-Temuchin^" <brooker...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:47f072ec$0$13286$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>> jim wrote:
>>>> Not at all they don't.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't restricted myself to just "free" photography. (God knows its
>>>> expensive taking digital pictures nowadays - what with all of the
>>>> clicking and everything.).
>>> And time to take the photo and time to process it from raw, petrol to
>>> get to the location you take the shot, power to charge the battery and
>>> run the computer.
>>>
>>> How much does it cost you to sit at a keyboard and tap tap tap out a
>>> poem? Do you give your books away?
>>
>> It doesn't cost me a thing. I do it in my spare time because it is
>> something that I love to do.
>>
>> And, no I don't give the hard copy books away, however I would gladly
>> give away the ebooks.
>>
>> Salt with that foot?
>>
>> jim
>>
>>
>
> And you expect people to help you while you carry on like a fuckwit.
> Back under the bridge you go Troll.
You haven't helped helped shit. All I've gotten from you is whining about
some irrational fear that I was looking for free photos - which I NEVER
said.
If my taking offense to the trash that's your tossing my way offends you,
then sod off.
jim
Vance
Your best bet for photos like that would be either photojournalism,
documentary photography or selected images from photo essays. A large
stock company like Getty would probably have what you are looking for
and their material is extensively indexed. Likewise National
Geographic, Associated Press, Time-Life, Paris Match and similar
organizations all license their images. None of them are free, but
they aren't exhorbitant, either.
It may be possible to make some sort of arrangements with an amateur
to use their photos with a credit. However, finding those images is
the problem. You can, as you are doing now, broadcast that you need
the images, or you can contact various photography clubs, but you
would probably get a better response if you provided some details
about the arrangement you are looking for. At the moment, it sounds a
little unfocussed.
Often untapped resources are colleges that have photography courses.
Students are notoriously open to the idea of getting their images out
there and something that is published where they are credited can be
very attractive. At many points during the course there are projects
that need to be shot and the student can propose a project that would
potentially provide you with images. It's a win-win situation. They
have to do the course work anyway and you want pictures.
Vance
^Ebony-Temuchin^
You're the cock spanker that made the sarcastic comment (God knows its
expensive taking digital pictures nowadays - what with all of the
clicking and everything.)
Now off you run your boyfriend is waiting for you in the bedroom with a
bottle of oil.
Paul Furman
> "Burt Johnson" <bu...@mindstorm-inc.com> wrote in message
> news:1ieoggn.7w22efi97walN%bu...@mindstorm-inc.com...
>> jim <j...@home.net> wrote:
>>
>>> That's a great site. I use it for photos for websites mostly.
>>>
>>> But, the majority of the photos that I have seen there are staged. I am
>>> looking for actual moments in time where a person was caught doing a good
>>> deed.
>> The reason most are staged is because of the requirement for a model
>> release for any photo in which anyone is identifiable, even if only in a
>> crowd. That makes it pretty hard to post any "man on fhe street"
>> photos.
>>
>> There are a lot of other sites out there, but I haven't really looked
>> into them. If you find one with relaxed model releases, let us know.
>
> What about photojournalism images? Do those also require a model release?
Journalism is treated differently than other commercial enterprises by
law. If the subjects don't complain it's alright for art: based on the
artist's tolerance for lawsuits, but most corporate buyers won't want to
see the possibility of a future complaint.
I have photos of people doing good but they don't make sense without an
explanation and I don't have releases. What you are asking for is some
really legendary photography: not an easy request. I would like to see
what you turn up, sincerely.
Chris H
<j...@home.net> writes
Hi Jim,
I think you have learned you needed to phrase this request better.
Perhaps something along the lines of:
" Amateur poet looking to publish book needs to collaborate with
photographer(s) for images to go in book."
"
I think your OP came across as I want free photos to go into a
commercial book."
OTOH because there are so many idiots on the net these days and so many
expect everything for free some of the old hands (and a lot of the plain
arse holes) on here just react without giving the benefit of the doubt.
10-15 years ago (before AOL and the never ending September) the net was
a much nicer place. Everyone was presumed innocent first. Now they are
assumed guilty.
--
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
/\/\/ ch...@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
jim
> In article <xjeIj.27778$r76....@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, j...@home.net
> says...
>
>> More to the point, I evidently have nobody here that has a clue where to
>> get
>> (steal, borrow or purchse) them either.
>
> can either steal or 'borrow' them.
So why didn't you? (Just curious)
Jim
Vance
> "Neil Barker" <n...@nemesis.nu> wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.225c06483...@127.0.0.1...
>
> > In article <xjeIj.27778$r76.3...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, j...@home.net
> > says...
>
> >> More to the point, I evidently have nobody here that has a clue where to
> >> get
> >> (steal, borrow or purchse) them either.
>
> > I can tell you exactly where you can PURCHASE them, but not where you
> > can either steal or 'borrow' them.
>
> So why didn't you? (Just curious)
>
> Jim
In my reply (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.photography/browse_frm/
thread/210f102ab6f3c210/c591cce0d7bdcea8?
hl=en&lnk=raot#c591cce0d7bdcea8) I identified some specific sources
and general types of resources that potentially have the images you
are looking for. Now, I thought my post was a help where you are so
obviously floundering. However, I am beginning to get the impression
of someone who is upset that nobody is doing their work for them.
That may be unfair and probably is. Sometimes, when a person is in
unfamiliar territory, especially one a vast as photography, you can
get lost and the idea that there is someone who will rescue you is
attractive. It's unlikely to happen, though, if, for no other reason,
than what your asking for is vague.
You have a poem that you want supported, enhanced, illustrated (or
something) by an image. That poem has an emotional tone developed and
presented through literary imagery. A visual image, to work in that
situation, has to stand in a valid metaphorical (or at least
analogical) relationship to the words. You are looking at combining a
visual art with its own syntax, grammar and semantics to another art
with a completely different syntax, grammar and semantics. Without
the experience of the poem, noboby is going to be able to do more than
recommend a genre and some potential sources for that genre to help
you. That's as good as it is likely to get.
Vance
Stede Bonnet
> In article <_GZHj.28394$vr3....@bignews2.bellsouth.net>, j...@home.net
> says...
>>
>> I haven't restricted myself to just "free" photography. (God knows its
>> expensive taking digital pictures nowadays - what with all of the
>> clicking
>> and everything.).
>
>
> Neil Barker
Aarrrgh, Neil lad, you be a-tellin' the freeloadin' kunt just where to get
off. You be very good at a-tellin' folks just where to get off, b'ain't you,
Neil? Mind you, I doubt if them same folks will then want to contribute to
your wedding gift list for when you and Fat Emma from Prague get hitched,
eh? I still have that gift voucher on order from Greggs The Bakers wot can
be swopped for any of their fine range of pies and pasties and other
assorted savouries wot you fat pair can consume to keep you both full o'
vigour for the nuptials.
BTW, Neil lad, me invite seems to have gone astray in the post. Can 'ee send
another one, Neil lad, and instead o' mention me partner this time can you
just invite me and me crew? Thanks a lot, matey.
Aarrrgh, but it be good to see 'ee out an' about again, Neil lad. I were
gettin' worried about ye, so I was, thinkin' mebbe ye were locked in mortal
congress with Fat Emma from Prague at all hours o' the day an' night. Wot
does Daddy have to say about all o' this wedding stuff, like? I bet he ain't
too happy that you won't be going on holiday with him again this year.
That'll be the first time you and him have missed in forty odd years, eh
Neil lad?
--
Cap'n Steed
"I've now had a chance to read the appropriate section in Mr Follett's
draft Tavvie paper on hate. I've been asked to referee some parts of
the paper on group dynamics and have decided to volunteer a few
comments on the interesting behaviour of his Easynews stalker. I've
submitted my findings to Mr Follett. As soon as I have his permission
to reproduce my comments I'll be pleased to do so on some Usenet
newsgroups where regular contributors may be puzzled by the stalker's
seeming compulsive obsession with Mr. Follett and , to a lesser extent
with Mr. Dave Pepper -- a frequent contributor to the surrey newsgroup
in the uk hierachy."
- Richard Christopher. RNIB Redhill. Posting to Usenet since 1997.
"Arrrrgh, Jim, lad, ye be too set in your ways to try and hide your posting
style now." - Long Ben
jim
>"Vance" <Vance...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:6cb2aafd-e387-4979-844d->46373d...@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
I must disagree somewhat. I have not been vague at all. I have plainly
stated that need images of people helpeing people, people helping animals or
just people caught doing a good deed. I'd like the photos to not be staged.
The project doesn't require anything more than that.
As far as being upset, perhaps I am. I really thought that finding
something was as simple as asking "has anyone seen this" and others would
reply with where (that's waht I do in other newsgroups). Instead, asking a
simple question of where I can find a simple sort of photo has been about as
fun and rewarding as bathing wild cats.
Instead of offering information if one has it, I have been subjected to
accusations of wanting others to do my work, wanting free photos, etc. -
NONE of which I ever said in my original post.
Would I take free photos? Only if they fit the project.
Would I pay for the right photos? Gladly.
At this point though, I think I will simply retire to the bath with a sack
full of wild cats for a relaxing bath.
jim
Chris H
<j...@home.net> writes
>
>I must disagree somewhat. I have not been vague at all.
You were somewhat.
> I have plainly
>stated that need images of people helpeing people, people helping animals or
>just people caught doing a good deed. I'd like the photos to not be staged.
>
>The project doesn't require anything more than that.
Yes it does. You came across as wanting free photos for something you
are publishing (implied, by omission, for money). You purely stated
what YOU wanted. You did not explain the project and say you were
prepared to collaborate with a photographer or pay for photos. So the
whole thing started of with every one at cross purposes.
A book of poetry and pictures is 50/50 poetry and picture. How would you
feel is some one said "I need some {industrial] poems to put in a book
of [industrial] pictures I am publishing.
>Instead of offering information if one has it, I have been subjected to
>accusations of wanting others to do my work, wanting free photos, etc. -
>NONE of which I ever said in my original post.
It was implied by what you left out as much as what you said. Where
there was information missing people assumed.
>Would I take free photos? Only if they fit the project.
>Would I pay for the right photos? Gladly.
>At this point though, I think I will simply retire to the bath with a sack
>full of wild cats for a relaxing bath.
Don't go into publishing (I can say that as some one who is published
for both photos and the written word) You will need a MUCH thicker skin
than you appear to have.
Stop and think. Then re-post in a new thread in a day or so explaining
the PROJECT (not just what you need) and ask is anyone interested in
helping with the pictures needed for it. They will of course be fully
credited as the photographer etc.
You will have to explain the commercial terms of the book you are
producing.
DB01
where you been?
jim
"Chris H" <ch...@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
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> In message <lIHIj.11872$Q52....@bignews9.bellsouth.net>, jim
> <j...@home.net> writes
>>
>>I must disagree somewhat. I have not been vague at all.
>
> You were somewhat.
HOW?
Here is my original post.
"I am seeking photos for a new project. I want all of the photos of people
helping that I can get.
The people can be helping people or animals. The "help" can be as simple as
helping someone across the street or as dangerous as dragging a fellow
soldier out of the line of fire. They can be of humans helping humans or
humans helping animals. They can even be of people just doing a good deed.
The essence of the picture should be that of a person giving of themselves
to help others.
It would seem that these photos abound...but I am having problems finding
them. If you have seen such images would you please post links to them
here.
I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks!
jim"
>
>> I have plainly
>>stated that need images of people helpeing people, people helping animals
>>or
>>just people caught doing a good deed. I'd like the photos to not be
>>staged.
>>
>>The project doesn't require anything more than that.
>
> Yes it does. You came across as wanting free photos for something you are
> publishing (implied, by omission, for money).
Please point out the word "free" in the original post. I was open to
anything, hence no restrictions as to licensing were even mentioned in the
OP.
>You purely stated what YOU wanted.
Of course I did! What should I have done....assummed I knew what you (or
"they") wanted and posted that? How the hell do I know what you want? And,
since the gist of the post *was* to locate what *I* wanted, I felt it
entirely appropriate to dwell on that subject matter.
Odd as it may be, I prefer to address the topic at hand in the posts that I
write.
> You did not explain the project and say you were prepared to collaborate
> with a photographer or pay for photos. So the whole thing started of with
> every one at cross purposes.
That's because people read what they wanted to read and not what I typed.
Here's where I screwed up.....I *assumed* that asking for help would elicit
a logical response indicating where the needed photos would be found. I
further *assumed* that the poster of said information would have, or point
to, the requirements for the use of said photos.
I guess I assumed common, basic logic. For that I solemnly apologize.
> A book of poetry and pictures is 50/50 poetry and picture. How would you
> feel is some one said "I need some {industrial] poems to put in a book of
> [industrial] pictures I am publishing.
If I had knowledge of where to find the needed items, I would simply post a
link - not go all schizoid assuming things not said and starting a useless
flame war over a simple (but not simple enough for the posters here) request
for images of people helping people.
>>Instead of offering information if one has it, I have been subjected to
>>accusations of wanting others to do my work, wanting free photos, etc. -
>>NONE of which I ever said in my original post.
>
> It was implied by what you left out as much as what you said. Where there
> was information missing people assumed.
I also did not state other irrelevant things - like what clothes (if any) I
would be wearing while doing this project. Nor did I discuss my religious
affilliations, views on poligamy, marital status, sexual preference or a
whole host of other non-issues.
If they are going to assume things not in evidence, why stop at imagining
"free" was implied? Why not go ahead and imagine that I "implied via
ommission" that am using the proceeds to try and free convicted child
molesters and support the Knights of the Klu Klux Klan and that I have a
secret death ray that I am using the proceeds to build and take over the
world?
When you (they) start arguing against arguments not presented, I guess that
really opens a whole can of worms for the voices in their heads to play
with, doesn't it?
>>Would I take free photos? Only if they fit the project.
>>Would I pay for the right photos? Gladly.
>
>>At this point though, I think I will simply retire to the bath with a sack
>>full of wild cats for a relaxing bath.
>
> Don't go into publishing (I can say that as some one who is published for
> both photos and the written word) You will need a MUCH thicker skin than
> you appear to have.
My skin is plenty thick enough. What's lacking is my toplerance for
stupidy.
> Stop and think. Then re-post in a new thread in a day or so explaining
> the PROJECT (not just what you need) and ask is anyone interested in
> helping with the pictures needed for it. They will of course be fully
> credited as the photographer etc.
I have stated what I needed plainly. If they wish to sell or donate images
to the project, so be it. If not, that's fine too.
Time is too precious a thing to waste any more of it in this thread.
> You will have to explain the commercial terms of the book you are
> producing.
Only to those with the images that I am requesting.
Thanks for your views on this thread.
jim
jim
> In article <lIHIj.11872$Q52....@bignews9.bellsouth.net>, j...@home.net
> says...
>
>> Would I pay for the right photos? Gladly.
>
> many idiots come to newsgroups like this in the past and expect things
> doing for them for free. You get some people who think that because
> digital photography largely removes the material/processing element,
> that photos should therefore be cheaper. That isn't the case.
I NEVER asked for a single thing for free.
jim
Chris H
<j...@home.net> writes
>
>"Chris H" <ch...@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>news:Y33wrMB6K18HFAn$@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <lIHIj.11872$Q52....@bignews9.bellsouth.net>, jim
>> <j...@home.net> writes
>>>
>>>I must disagree somewhat. I have not been vague at all.
>>
>> You were somewhat.
>
>HOW?
It has been explained to you by several people now accept that and move
on or you will piss off everyone and get no help at all.
DONT BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS
>>> I have plainly
>>>stated that need images of people helpeing people, people helping animals
>>>or
>>>just people caught doing a good deed. I'd like the photos to not be
>>>staged.
>>>
>>>The project doesn't require anything more than that.
>>
>> Yes it does. You came across as wanting free photos for something you are
>> publishing (implied, by omission, for money).
>
>Please point out the word "free" in the original post. I was open to
>anything, hence no restrictions as to licensing were even mentioned in the
>OP.
As I and everyone else has said it was implied by omission.
>>You purely stated what YOU wanted.
>
>Of course I did! What should I have done....assummed I knew what you (or
>"they") wanted and posted that? How the hell do I know what you want? And,
>since the gist of the post *was* to locate what *I* wanted, I felt it
>entirely appropriate to dwell on that subject matter.
>
>Odd as it may be, I prefer to address the topic at hand in the posts that I
>write.
I give up! You cant give people helpful advice without them having a
go back.
Jim you are going the right way to get no help from anyone and being
kill filed.
CALM DOWN and read the advice you have been given.
>> You did not explain the project and say you were prepared to collaborate
>> with a photographer or pay for photos. So the whole thing started of with
>> every one at cross purposes.
>
>That's because people read what they wanted to read and not what I typed.
Of course. However you were not clear in what you wanted or why so
people filled in the blanks for themselves.
>Here's where I screwed up.....I *assumed*
Yes... In a place where the gaps you left people assumes something
different.
> that asking for help would elicit
>a logical response indicating where the needed photos would be found. I
>further *assumed* that the poster of said information would have, or point
>to, the requirements for the use of said photos.
>I guess I assumed common, basic logic. For that I solemnly apologize.
Absolutely not. You assumed using YOUR logic in a place where a
different logic prevails.
You did not ask using the logic, assumptions and manners of THIS NG.
When people have helpfully pointed this out to you to be helpful you
have bitten the hand that is trying to help you.
Yes, you should apologise. And sincerely.
>> A book of poetry and pictures is 50/50 poetry and picture. How would you
>> feel is some one said "I need some {industrial] poems to put in a book of
>> [industrial] pictures I am publishing.
>
>If I had knowledge of where to find the needed items, I would simply post a
>link - not go all schizoid assuming things not said and starting a useless
>flame war over a simple (but not simple enough for the posters here) request
>for images of people helping people.
Well you have stated a flame war yourself. Some people responded
abruptly but those of us who have tried to help have also been bitten.
You need to apologise to all who have been trying to help. (And next
time post under a different name)
>>>Instead of offering information if one has it, I have been subjected to
>>>accusations of wanting others to do my work, wanting free photos, etc. -
>>>NONE of which I ever said in my original post.
>>
>> It was implied by what you left out as much as what you said. Where there
>> was information missing people assumed.
>
>I also did not state other irrelevant things -
It was not irrelevant things.
>If they are going to assume things not in evidence, why stop at imagining
>"free" was implied? Why not go ahead and imagine that I "implied via
>ommission" that am using the proceeds to try and free convicted child
>molesters and support the Knights of the Klu Klux Klan and that I have a
>secret death ray that I am using the proceeds to build and take over the
>world?
>
>When you (they) start arguing against arguments not presented, I guess that
>really opens a whole can of worms for the voices in their heads to play
>with, doesn't it?
What UTTER CRAP. You should learnt eh rules of polite conversation for
this NG before you jump in and start a flame war with your attitude.
It is you who looses in the end.
>> Don't go into publishing (I can say that as some one who is published for
>> both photos and the written word) You will need a MUCH thicker skin than
>> you appear to have.
>
>My skin is plenty thick enough. What's lacking is my toplerance for
>stupidy.
Plonk!
You loose
You came here for help, pissed everyone off, some explained the correct
protocol for asking for what you wanted and you flamed them. Now that is
arrogance and stupidity.
jim
> In article <Cg_Ij.28625$r76....@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, j...@home.net
> says...
PAY FOR WHAT!? YOU STILL HAVEN'T PRODUCED A DAMNED THING!
How much do I bid for your nothing? Twice that!
jim
Chris H
<j...@home.net> writes
You did not offer to pay for any suitable photos people had. The
implication was you wanted Free photos. That is the way everyone seems
to have read you post.
You don't seem to have realised that what you thought you wrote or
implied and what the rest of the world read were two different things.
You can't blame the rest of the world for being wrong and you are the
only one who is right.
>YOU STILL HAVEN'T PRODUCED A DAMNED THING!
No one is likely to with your attitude. You should have read the replies
you got and thought about what they were saying instead of biting the
hand(s) that feed.
You are completely in the wrong and "rude" for this NG. Yet you
complain you are right and everyone else is wrong. Then you wonder why
you got no photos.
Re-post in a few days and discuss a collaboration with a photographer
and what the set up it for the PROJECT is a whole.
Otherwise post your words here and I will put them in my photographic
book I am doing.
Paul Furman
> I am seeking photos for a new project. I want all of the photos of people
> helping that I can get.
>
> The people can be helping people or animals. The "help" can be as simple as
> helping someone across the street or as dangerous as dragging a fellow
> soldier out of the line of fire. They can be of humans helping humans or
> humans helping animals. They can even be of people just doing a good deed.
>
> The essence of the picture should be that of a person giving of themselves
> to help others.
>
> It would seem that these photos abound...but I am having problems finding
> them. If you have seen such images would you please post links to them
> here.
>
> I would greatly appreciate it.
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=good+deed
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49422777@N00/1800320257/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulforsdick/1472601961/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kendikristine/1175176033/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tyallison/1357561665/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jkonig/736221051/
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=helping
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thebugmaster/2054027550/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beija-flor/313433075/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beija-flor/697636432/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beija-flor/593345392/in/photostream/
jim
> In article <T0ZJj.28118$dT.1...@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, j...@home.net>> news:MPG.225fda68...@127.0.0.1...
>
>> > And you never offered to pay, either.
>>
>> PAY FOR WHAT!? YOU STILL HAVEN'T PRODUCED A DAMNED THING!
>
>
> You didn't explain yourself at all well in your initial post and
> everyone here took it as meaning you were expecting them free. Perhaps
> that should tell you something.
Actually it does. it tells me that that is the behavior that you have come
to expect from people - even when that is not what is said.
That tells me that most people that have sought photos through you in the
past were looking for free photos.
That tells me that people (in general) do not value good photography.
What it does not tell me is why I was lumped in with those assholes base
purely on assumptions by posters in these ngs.
jim
Chris H
<j...@home.net> writes
>
>"Neil Barker" <ne...@nemesis.nu> wrote in message
>news:MPG.22632a1b2...@127.0.0.1...
>> In article <T0ZJj.28118$dT.1...@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, j...@home.net
>> says...
>>>
>>> "Neil Barker" <ne...@nemesis.nu> wrote in message
>>> news:MPG.225fda68...@127.0.0.1...
>>
>>> > And you never offered to pay, either.
>>>
>>> PAY FOR WHAT!? YOU STILL HAVEN'T PRODUCED A DAMNED THING!
>>
>> You have a bad attitude problem Jim, you really do.
>>
>> You didn't explain yourself at all well in your initial post and
>> everyone here took it as meaning you were expecting them free. Perhaps
>> that should tell you something.
>
>Actually it does. it tells me that that is the behavior that you have come
>to expect from people - even when that is not what is said.
Yes it is normal English comprehension. I suggest you learn it. Note
the same thing was assumed from people BOTH sides of the Atlantic. SO we
can assume what you wrote seemed clear to the majority of English
speakers/readers. That you were looking for Free photos. You were
certainly asking for links to photos.
>That tells me that most people that have sought photos through you in the
>past were looking for free photos.
Not at all... It's just those who phrased it they way you did were
looking for Free photos. Many people ask for photos, both paid for and
free.
>That tells me that people (in general) do not value good photography.
Then you have absolutely no comprehension of this NG at all! Clearly you
have not read, or at least understood the replies to you.
It seems your comprehension of English is again at fault. Are you a
native English speaker?
>What it does not tell me is why I was lumped in with those assholes base
>purely on assumptions by posters in these ngs.
AFAICS You were lumped in with them for several reasons
1 Your initial post implied you were looking for free pictures. That was
how it was read by native English speakers/readers from both sides of
the Atlantic You certainly asked for links to photos and asked to see
photos but there was no suggestion you were looking to buy any.
2 Your attitude (of being an arse hole) in your replies to some
constructive criticism designed to help. May people who offered
constrictive criticism would have helped and probably found the pictures
you wanted (or gone and taken them).
3 Your continual arguing that you are the only one who is right and all
those who offered constructive criticism and would have offered pictures
(had you not behaved as such an arse hole) are all wrong.
Net result is that in the photography NG's you have cross posted to you
are seen as an arrogant arse hole that no one is likely to help.
Had you taken the advice you were given earlier in this thread and
behaved politely by now I am sure you would have had all the photos you
needed. You appear to be the looser in all this any yet you continue to
dig the hole deeper.
jim
"Paul Furman" <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote in message
news:GI9Kj.338$mB3...@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> jim wrote:
>> I am seeking photos for a new project. I want all of the photos of
>> people helping that I can get.
>>
>> The people can be helping people or animals. The "help" can be as simple
>> as helping someone across the street or as dangerous as dragging a fellow
>> soldier out of the line of fire. They can be of humans helping humans or
>> humans helping animals. They can even be of people just doing a good
>> deed.
>>
>> The essence of the picture should be that of a person giving of
>> themselves to help others.
>>
>> It would seem that these photos abound...but I am having problems finding
>> them. If you have seen such images would you please post links to them
>> here.
>>
>> I would greatly appreciate it.
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/49422777@N00/1800320257/
This one is PERFECT! It shows people helping people, and it shows a full
view of the sceen (so that you get a feel for what is going on - even if
there were no caption).
I need shots like that....or like......
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/images/9-11-A.jpg
http://whyfiles.org/227warm_hurricane/images/car_rescue.jpg
http://www.animalnews.info/images/story_images/Katrina/dolphin.jpg
http://www.transitionsabroad.com/publications/magazine/0409/Senior_Volunteer_Repairing.jpg
http://www.middle-east-online.com/pictures/big/_12952_Mosul-10-3-2005.jpg
http://bop.nppa.org/2007/still_photography/winners/INN/80574/154751.html
http://bop.nppa.org/2007/still_photography/winners/BOS/78826/151577.html
http://bop.nppa.org/2007/still_photography/winners/OPY/104928/187452.html
http://bop.nppa.org/2007/still_photography/winners/OPY/99127/179485.html
http://bop.nppa.org/2007/still_photography/winners/DPS/99128/179501.html
http://bop.nppa.org/2007/still_photography/winners/DPS/84017/158998.html
http://bop.nppa.org/2007/still_photography/winners/UPS/87848/163831.html
http://bop.nppa.org/2007/still_photography/winners/OPS/93259/171561.html
http://bop.nppa.org/2007/still_photography/winners/OPS/85938/161437.html
http://bop.nppa.org/2007/still_photography/winners/DSR/97457/177553.html
Shots that show full scenes and full bodies (if possible) of people caring
for other people and animals.
Since this will be a printed collection, the higher the resolution the
better.
Thanks!
jim
jim
> In message <SxmKj.28814$dT.2...@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, jim
> <j...@home.net> writes
>>
>>"Neil Barker" <ne...@nemesis.nu> wrote in message
>>news:MPG.22632a1b2...@127.0.0.1...
>>> In article <T0ZJj.28118$dT.1...@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, j...@home.net
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> "Neil Barker" <ne...@nemesis.nu> wrote in message
>>>> news:MPG.225fda68...@127.0.0.1...
>>>
>>>> > And you never offered to pay, either.
>>>>
>>>> PAY FOR WHAT!? YOU STILL HAVEN'T PRODUCED A DAMNED THING!
>>>
>>> You have a bad attitude problem Jim, you really do.
>>>
>>> You didn't explain yourself at all well in your initial post and
>>> everyone here took it as meaning you were expecting them free. Perhaps
>>> that should tell you something.
>>
>>Actually it does. it tells me that that is the behavior that you have
>>come
>>to expect from people - even when that is not what is said.
>
> Yes it is normal English comprehension. I suggest you learn it. Note the
> same thing was assumed from people BOTH sides of the Atlantic. SO we can
> assume what you wrote seemed clear to the majority of English
> speakers/readers. That you were looking for Free photos. You were
> certainly asking for links to photos.
As for people on both sides of the Atlantic making the same error...I do not
discount the fact that there are deficiencies of logic that know no
geographical boundaries.
>
>>That tells me that most people that have sought photos through you in the
>>past were looking for free photos.
>
> Not at all... It's just those who phrased it they way you did were looking
> for Free photos. Many people ask for photos, both paid for and free.
And, when they do not specify (because either will do - as long as the
photos support the subject matter) you assume (keep in mind that I was never
asked - I was simply attacked based on childish assumptions) whatever you
wish instead of asking simple, logical questions to verify your assumptions
before acting foolish and attacking somebody for something that was only in
your head.
>
>>That tells me that people (in general) do not value good photography.
>
> Then you have absolutely no comprehension of this NG at all! Clearly you
> have not read, or at least understood the replies to you.
>
> It seems your comprehension of English is again at fault. Are you a native
> English speaker?
You are a bloody nutjob. You insist on supporting assumptions (you are
aware of what assumptions are, aren't you?) that are not supported by my
plainly written posts.
You cannot be reasoned with when you continue to insist that something was
"meant" when nothing in the original post supports your argument.
The argument that "A" is meant because "anti-A" was not said is both
illogical and unsupportable.
Using your reasoning, I can assume you are a terrorist and a child molestor.
You never said you were, but I am assuming it based on your logic of
assuming facts not in evidence.
>
>>What it does not tell me is why I was lumped in with those assholes base
>>purely on assumptions by posters in these ngs.
>
> AFAICS You were lumped in with them for several reasons
>
> 1 Your initial post implied you were looking for free pictures. That was
> how it was read by native English speakers/readers from both sides of the
> Atlantic You certainly asked for links to photos and asked to see photos
> but there was no suggestion you were looking to buy any.
There was nothing posted either way in my post. The spin that some of the
people here placed on my original post was entirely in their heads.
(Bouncing around lonely in all likelihood...)
>
> 2 Your attitude (of being an arse hole) in your replies to some
> constructive criticism designed to help. May people who offered
> constrictive criticism would have helped and probably found the pictures
> you wanted (or gone and taken them).
I give what I get.
> 3 Your continual arguing that you are the only one who is right and all
> those who offered constructive criticism and would have offered pictures
> (had you not behaved as such an arse hole) are all wrong.
I will agree with you as soon as I am shown where I requested ANYTING for
free.
> Net result is that in the photography NG's you have cross posted to you
> are seen as an arrogant arse hole that no one is likely to help.
Oh.....really? So, there'll be no change then?
> Had you taken the advice you were given earlier in this thread and behaved
> politely by now I am sure you would have had all the photos you needed.
> You appear to be the looser in all this any yet you continue to dig the
> hole deeper.
I, like most people, am not likely to respond well to false accusations.
You should get used to that. You will see it frequently throughout your
life. When people are pissed on, they get testy.
jim
Chris H
<paul-@-edgehill.net> writes
Many of those look staged. Also most will need a model release. (Does
the cat have an agent? :-) and certainly can nto be used with out the
photographers permission.
This could have been an interesting project... ruined by the attitude
of the author of the written word.
I would be interested in seeing some of Jim's poetry given his lack of
comprehension of the discourse in this NG
--
Chris H
<j...@home.net> writes
>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/49422777@N00/1800320257/
>This one is PERFECT! It shows people helping people, and it shows a full
>view of the sceen (so that you get a feel for what is going on - even if
>there were no caption).
>
>
>I need shots like that....or like......
>
>http://www.worldproutassembly.org/images/9-11-A.jpg
>
>
>Shots that show full scenes and full bodies (if possible) of people caring
>for other people and animals.
>
>Since this will be a printed collection, the higher the resolution the
>better.
The problem with that lot is most are news photos. For anything else,
such as a book, you are going to need model releases. I can't see you
getting model releases for a lot of them.
Paul Furman
I don't think so.
> Also most will need a model release. (Does
> the cat have an agent? :-) and certainly can nto be used with out the
> photographers permission.
Absolutely.
Vance
types of images you are looking for. I also mentioned, again
sepcifically, that they most of them weren't free and I did that
because the impression created by your words implied that you were
primarily interested in free images. As already noted by others, that
is an impression created in two populations of native English speakers
in spite of any variations in the common language as used. This is
not the result of errors in logic or in the ability to read by any of
us.
To claim that your words do not explicitly convey a request for free
pictures, while factually true, seems somewhat disengenous in light of
how language is actually used. As a matter of efficiency, English,
like most languages, triggers sets of reliable inferences in the
reader/hearer which comprise the real meaning of the communication.
Fluency in a language is pretty much a matter of competency in just
that ability. To have the native speakers of English in two different
cultural contexts infer that you were looking for free images because
of the natural inferences drawn in reading you post speaks directly to
your communications.
As a wordsmith, even an amateur wordsmith (I include poets here, too),
you should have an understanding of how words and communications work
as the foundation of your craft.
In my original response to you, I also mentioned how you could
potentially find images that might be free. I included that because
your post was sufficiently ambiguous that it seemed reasonable to
mention it, though the far stronger impression created by you was you
were after free images.
What you have gotten for your inquiry through this whole series of
postings is some constructive (if occasionaly toney) feedback on your
communications and pointers to the resources needed for YOU to find
the pictures needed. You essentially have whatever this NG can
provide you at this point and others have mentioned moving on with
that. That is probably the best course because you have created the
impression that you are an ass. Taking a deep breathe, creating a
different nick and trying this again is another option that has also
been suggested. That would disconnect any of your future posts from
associations that have been formed in this thread.
On a personal level, I wasn't originally motivated to help you
directly on the basis of your being too vague in several areas. Now,
seeing your interactions here and getting sense of who I would be
dealing with, which may in fact be a false impression, I wouldn't want
to work with you on your project even to produce images on a
commissioned basis.
On Apr 7, 4:33 am, "jim" <j...@home.net> wrote:
> "Chris H" <ch...@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>
> news:HBDXmJMg...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In message <SxmKj.28814$dT.24...@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, jim
> > <j...@home.net> writes
>
> >>"Neil Barker" <n...@nemesis.nu> wrote in message
> >>news:MPG.22632a1b2...@127.0.0.1...
> >>> In article <T0ZJj.28118$dT.12...@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, j...@home.net
> >>> says...
>
> >>>> "Neil Barker" <n...@nemesis.nu> wrote in message
> jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
jim
> In message <6pnKj.28840$dT.2...@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, jim
> <j...@home.net> writes
>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/49422777@N00/1800320257/
>>This one is PERFECT! It shows people helping people, and it shows a full
>>view of the sceen (so that you get a feel for what is going on - even if
>>there were no caption).
>>
>>
>>I need shots like that....or like......
>>
>>http://www.worldproutassembly.org/images/9-11-A.jpg
>>
> ...................................
>
>>
>>Shots that show full scenes and full bodies (if possible) of people caring
>>for other people and animals.
>>
>>Since this will be a printed collection, the higher the resolution the
>>better.
>
> The problem with that lot is most are news photos. For anything else, such
> as a book, you are going to need model releases. I can't see you getting
> model releases for a lot of them.
So you have to have model releases for all photos published in books?
jim
~~seadancer~~
> I am seeking photos for a new project. I want all of the photos of people
> helping that I can get.
> The people can be helping people or animals. The "help" can be as simple as
> helping someone across the street or as dangerous as dragging a fellow
> soldier out of the line of fire. They can be of humans helping humans or
> humans helping animals. They can even be of people just doing a good deed.
> The essence of the picture should be that of a person giving of themselves
> to help others.
> It would seem that these photos abound...but I am having problems finding
> them. If you have seen such images would you please post links to them
> here.
> I would greatly appreciate it.
>
> jim
I found this pic and URL at google images:
> http://www.ossweb.com/graphics/3Hands.jpg
Helping hands... comforting others.
Hope this helps.
---Sea
Ivan Gowch
==>I am seeking photos for a new project. I want all of the photos of people
==>helping that I can get.
You're welcome to ths one. I made it recently.
No model releases, of course, so any liability
is yours.
Let me know if you use it.
Cheers,
-IG
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Ivan Gowch
==>I am seeking photos for a new project. I want all of the photos of people
==>helping that I can get.
You're welcome to this one. I made it recently.