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ram...@truthonly.com.swordofbaal
Apr 28, 2012, 11:49:55 PM4/28/12
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Once again we see Catholic church try again to
force
its beliefs on all, now Lesbians and Gays do not try and force their beliefs
on
the Catholic church, but here we have the Catholic Church trying to force
its
beliefs on all others by trying to stop gay marriage.
Gay marriage is for gay people. It is not something being forced on
Catholics. Keep your religion in your church and leaves others to live their
lives as they wish.
//The Roman Catholic church has written to every state-funded Catholic secondary school in England and Wales asking them to encourage pupils to sign a petition against gay marriage.
Students at one south London school were shown a presentation on religious opposition to government plans to let gay couples marry in civil ceremonies. Church leaders believe the proposal would reduce the significance of marriage.
The British Humanist Association said the CES's actions were likely to be in breach of sections 406 and 407 of the 1996 Education Act, which ban the political indoctrination of schoolchildren and require political views to be presented in a balanced way. The Act was used in a failed attempt to prevent schools showing Al Gore's climate change documentary An Inconvenient Truth.
The BHA's faith schools campaigner, Richy Thompson, said: "This action by the Catholic Education Service is absolutely outrageous." Thompson said the church has undermined "one of their core arguments against gay marriage, which is supposedly to protect children from exposure to such matters".\\
Kenny McCormack
Apr 29, 2012, 9:28:38 AM4/29/12
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In article <ET2nr.6375$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
<ram...@truthonly.com.Sword of Baal> wrote:
>-=-=-=-=-=-
works. The core idea underlying the mumbo jumbo of all Abrahamic religions
is that God sees all (of course) and if He sees something He doesn't like,
*everybody* suffers. I.e., crops fail, locusts swarm, stock prices go down,
etc, etc. So, obviously, if you buy into the mumbo jumbo, you obviously
have to be in everybody else's business, for the good of the community.
Now, you would think that God, being, well, God and all, would be able to
tell accurately who was at fault (who had done a bad thing), and punish only
that one person, but, well, we know from the good book that that ain't how
He operates. But therein lies the genius. It is the genius shared by high
school gym teachers (at least here in the US). The trick employed by high
school gym teachers is that if anyone in the class screws up, everybody gets
punished - with predictable results among the kids (who do know who screwed
up). As they say, the kids work it out amongst themselves.
Now, the true genius here is that this same method ought to be employed at
the state level. We waste inordinate amounts of time and money in our
criminal justice systems trying to figure out exactly who did what and so
on, resulting in hung juries and all sorts of other nonsense. What we
should do, when something bad has happened, is to take a cue from religion
(and high school gym teachers) and just punish everybody. As noted above,
the people would work it out amongst themselves.
--
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
~ Epicurus
<ram...@truthonly.com.Sword of Baal> wrote:
>-=-=-=-=-=-
>
>
>
>
>Once again we see Catholic church try again to force its beliefs on all, now
>Lesbians and Gays do not try and force their beliefs on the Catholic church,
>but here we have the Catholic Church trying to force its beliefs on all
>others by trying to stop gay marriage.
>
>Gay marriage is for gay people. It is not something being forced on
>Catholics. Keep your religion in your church and leaves others to live their
>lives as they wish.
With all due respect, sir, you simply do not understand how the mumbo-jumbo
>
>
>
>Once again we see Catholic church try again to force its beliefs on all, now
>Lesbians and Gays do not try and force their beliefs on the Catholic church,
>but here we have the Catholic Church trying to force its beliefs on all
>others by trying to stop gay marriage.
>
>Gay marriage is for gay people. It is not something being forced on
>Catholics. Keep your religion in your church and leaves others to live their
>lives as they wish.
works. The core idea underlying the mumbo jumbo of all Abrahamic religions
is that God sees all (of course) and if He sees something He doesn't like,
*everybody* suffers. I.e., crops fail, locusts swarm, stock prices go down,
etc, etc. So, obviously, if you buy into the mumbo jumbo, you obviously
have to be in everybody else's business, for the good of the community.
Now, you would think that God, being, well, God and all, would be able to
tell accurately who was at fault (who had done a bad thing), and punish only
that one person, but, well, we know from the good book that that ain't how
He operates. But therein lies the genius. It is the genius shared by high
school gym teachers (at least here in the US). The trick employed by high
school gym teachers is that if anyone in the class screws up, everybody gets
punished - with predictable results among the kids (who do know who screwed
up). As they say, the kids work it out amongst themselves.
Now, the true genius here is that this same method ought to be employed at
the state level. We waste inordinate amounts of time and money in our
criminal justice systems trying to figure out exactly who did what and so
on, resulting in hung juries and all sorts of other nonsense. What we
should do, when something bad has happened, is to take a cue from religion
(and high school gym teachers) and just punish everybody. As noted above,
the people would work it out amongst themselves.
--
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
~ Epicurus
Alan Ferris
Apr 29, 2012, 2:34:08 PM4/29/12
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:28:38 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>>Gay marriage is for gay people. It is not something being forced on
>>Catholics. Keep your religion in your church and leaves others to live their
>>lives as they wish.
>
>With all due respect, sir, you simply do not understand how the mumbo-jumbo
>works. The core idea underlying the mumbo jumbo of all Abrahamic religions
>is that God sees all (of course) and if He sees something He doesn't like,
>*everybody* suffers. I.e., crops fail, locusts swarm, stock prices go down,
>etc, etc. So, obviously, if you buy into the mumbo jumbo, you obviously
>have to be in everybody else's business, for the good of the community.
You mean that wild sex I had with my wife was seen by god and that is
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>>Gay marriage is for gay people. It is not something being forced on
>>Catholics. Keep your religion in your church and leaves others to live their
>>lives as they wish.
>
>With all due respect, sir, you simply do not understand how the mumbo-jumbo
>works. The core idea underlying the mumbo jumbo of all Abrahamic religions
>is that God sees all (of course) and if He sees something He doesn't like,
>*everybody* suffers. I.e., crops fail, locusts swarm, stock prices go down,
>etc, etc. So, obviously, if you buy into the mumbo jumbo, you obviously
>have to be in everybody else's business, for the good of the community.
why it will not stop raining over here.....damn, must make sure the
curtains are fully closed next time.
"Did you report yourself to the civil authorities for what you did to
your priest?"
- duke (Earl Weber) defending abuse by priests
Kenny McCormack
Apr 29, 2012, 3:51:46 PM4/29/12
to
In article <r92rp75o5na31256p...@4ax.com>,
being flooded out? Thanks.
>damn, must make sure the
>curtains are fully closed next time.
Won't help. God sees all, regardless of curtains.
The real irony, of course, in all this is that God sees all, so He can see
all the stuff that offends Him, but yet He can't figure out who to blame
(and thus, who to punish). That's pathetic...
>"Did you report yourself to the civil authorities for what you did to
>your priest?"
>- duke (Earl Weber) defending abuse by priests
Good one!
--
A liberal, a moderate, and a conservative walk into a bar...
Bartender says, "Hi, Mitt!"
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:28:38 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
>(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>
>>>Gay marriage is for gay people. It is not something being forced on
>>>Catholics. Keep your religion in your church and leaves others to live their
>>>lives as they wish.
>>
>>With all due respect, sir, you simply do not understand how the mumbo-jumbo
>>works. The core idea underlying the mumbo jumbo of all Abrahamic religions
>>is that God sees all (of course) and if He sees something He doesn't like,
>>*everybody* suffers. I.e., crops fail, locusts swarm, stock prices go down,
>>etc, etc. So, obviously, if you buy into the mumbo jumbo, you obviously
>>have to be in everybody else's business, for the good of the community.
>
>You mean that wild sex I had with my wife was seen by god and that is
>why it will not stop raining over here.....
Probably so. Could you folks knock it off, so that the rest of us can stop
>On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:28:38 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
>(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>
>>>Gay marriage is for gay people. It is not something being forced on
>>>Catholics. Keep your religion in your church and leaves others to live their
>>>lives as they wish.
>>
>>With all due respect, sir, you simply do not understand how the mumbo-jumbo
>>works. The core idea underlying the mumbo jumbo of all Abrahamic religions
>>is that God sees all (of course) and if He sees something He doesn't like,
>>*everybody* suffers. I.e., crops fail, locusts swarm, stock prices go down,
>>etc, etc. So, obviously, if you buy into the mumbo jumbo, you obviously
>>have to be in everybody else's business, for the good of the community.
>
>You mean that wild sex I had with my wife was seen by god and that is
>why it will not stop raining over here.....
being flooded out? Thanks.
>damn, must make sure the
>curtains are fully closed next time.
The real irony, of course, in all this is that God sees all, so He can see
all the stuff that offends Him, but yet He can't figure out who to blame
(and thus, who to punish). That's pathetic...
>"Did you report yourself to the civil authorities for what you did to
>your priest?"
>- duke (Earl Weber) defending abuse by priests
--
A liberal, a moderate, and a conservative walk into a bar...
Bartender says, "Hi, Mitt!"
Alan Ferris
Apr 29, 2012, 4:41:14 PM4/29/12
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:51:46 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>>damn, must make sure the
>>curtains are fully closed next time.
>
>Won't help. God sees all, regardless of curtains.
>The real irony, of course, in all this is that God sees all, so He can see
>all the stuff that offends Him, but yet He can't figure out who to blame
>(and thus, who to punish). That's pathetic...
I love that last sentence, it really sums it up so well :)
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>>damn, must make sure the
>>curtains are fully closed next time.
>
>Won't help. God sees all, regardless of curtains.
>The real irony, of course, in all this is that God sees all, so He can see
>all the stuff that offends Him, but yet He can't figure out who to blame
>(and thus, who to punish). That's pathetic...
--
Ferrit
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
Barry OGrady
Apr 29, 2012, 6:45:22 PM4/29/12
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:51:46 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
>>"Did you report yourself to the civil authorities for what you did to
>>your priest?"
>>- duke (Earl Weber) defending abuse by priests
>
>Good one!
>
>--
=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>In article <r92rp75o5na31256p...@4ax.com>,
>Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:28:38 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
>>(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>>
>>>>Gay marriage is for gay people. It is not something being forced on
>>>>Catholics. Keep your religion in your church and leaves others to live their
>>>>lives as they wish.
>>>
>>>With all due respect, sir, you simply do not understand how the mumbo-jumbo
>>>works. The core idea underlying the mumbo jumbo of all Abrahamic religions
>>>is that God sees all (of course) and if He sees something He doesn't like,
>>>*everybody* suffers. I.e., crops fail, locusts swarm, stock prices go down,
>>>etc, etc. So, obviously, if you buy into the mumbo jumbo, you obviously
>>>have to be in everybody else's business, for the good of the community.
>>
>>You mean that wild sex I had with my wife was seen by god and that is
>>why it will not stop raining over here.....
>
>Probably so. Could you folks knock it off, so that the rest of us can stop
>being flooded out? Thanks.
>
>>damn, must make sure the
>>curtains are fully closed next time.
>
>Won't help. God sees all, regardless of curtains.
>The real irony, of course, in all this is that God sees all, so He can see
>all the stuff that offends Him, but yet He can't figure out who to blame
>(and thus, who to punish). That's pathetic...
As our creator surely God is to blame for everything.
>In article <r92rp75o5na31256p...@4ax.com>,
>Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:28:38 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
>>(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>>
>>>>Gay marriage is for gay people. It is not something being forced on
>>>>Catholics. Keep your religion in your church and leaves others to live their
>>>>lives as they wish.
>>>
>>>With all due respect, sir, you simply do not understand how the mumbo-jumbo
>>>works. The core idea underlying the mumbo jumbo of all Abrahamic religions
>>>is that God sees all (of course) and if He sees something He doesn't like,
>>>*everybody* suffers. I.e., crops fail, locusts swarm, stock prices go down,
>>>etc, etc. So, obviously, if you buy into the mumbo jumbo, you obviously
>>>have to be in everybody else's business, for the good of the community.
>>
>>You mean that wild sex I had with my wife was seen by god and that is
>>why it will not stop raining over here.....
>
>Probably so. Could you folks knock it off, so that the rest of us can stop
>being flooded out? Thanks.
>
>>damn, must make sure the
>>curtains are fully closed next time.
>
>Won't help. God sees all, regardless of curtains.
>The real irony, of course, in all this is that God sees all, so He can see
>all the stuff that offends Him, but yet He can't figure out who to blame
>(and thus, who to punish). That's pathetic...
>>"Did you report yourself to the civil authorities for what you did to
>>your priest?"
>>- duke (Earl Weber) defending abuse by priests
>
>Good one!
>
>--
God is a spirit. 0% proof!
• R. L. Measures.
Apr 30, 2012, 9:27:02 AM4/30/12
to
In article <jnjfm6$f1k$1...@news.xmission.com>, gaz...@shell.xmission.com
>Now, you would think that God, being, well, God and all, would be able to
>tell accurately who was at fault (who had done a bad thing), and punish only
>that one person, but, well, we know from the good book that that ain't how
>He operates. But therein lies the genius. It is the genius shared by high
>school gym teachers (at least here in the US). The trick employed by high
>school gym teachers is that if anyone in the class screws up, everybody gets
>punished - with predictable results among the kids (who do know who screwed
>up). As they say, the kids work it out amongst themselves.
** this is how teachers earn a mo-fo rating among their students,
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>In article <ET2nr.6375$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
> <ram...@truthonly.com.Sword of Baal> wrote:
>>-=-=-=-=-=-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Once again we see Catholic church try again to force its beliefs on all, now
>>Lesbians and Gays do not try and force their beliefs on the Catholic church,
>>but here we have the Catholic Church trying to force its beliefs on all
>>others by trying to stop gay marriage.
>>
>>Gay marriage is for gay people. It is not something being forced on
>>Catholics. Keep your religion in your church and leaves others to live their
>>lives as they wish.
>
>With all due respect, sir, you simply do not understand how the mumbo-jumbo
>works. The core idea underlying the mumbo jumbo of all Abrahamic religions
>is that God sees all (of course) and if He sees something He doesn't like,
>*everybody* suffers. I.e., crops fail, locusts swarm, stock prices go down,
>etc, etc. So, obviously, if you buy into the mumbo jumbo, you obviously
>have to be in everybody else's business, for the good of the community.
>
** damn right Kenny.
>In article <ET2nr.6375$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
> <ram...@truthonly.com.Sword of Baal> wrote:
>>-=-=-=-=-=-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Once again we see Catholic church try again to force its beliefs on all, now
>>Lesbians and Gays do not try and force their beliefs on the Catholic church,
>>but here we have the Catholic Church trying to force its beliefs on all
>>others by trying to stop gay marriage.
>>
>>Gay marriage is for gay people. It is not something being forced on
>>Catholics. Keep your religion in your church and leaves others to live their
>>lives as they wish.
>
>With all due respect, sir, you simply do not understand how the mumbo-jumbo
>works. The core idea underlying the mumbo jumbo of all Abrahamic religions
>is that God sees all (of course) and if He sees something He doesn't like,
>*everybody* suffers. I.e., crops fail, locusts swarm, stock prices go down,
>etc, etc. So, obviously, if you buy into the mumbo jumbo, you obviously
>have to be in everybody else's business, for the good of the community.
>
>Now, you would think that God, being, well, God and all, would be able to
>tell accurately who was at fault (who had done a bad thing), and punish only
>that one person, but, well, we know from the good book that that ain't how
>He operates. But therein lies the genius. It is the genius shared by high
>school gym teachers (at least here in the US). The trick employed by high
>school gym teachers is that if anyone in the class screws up, everybody gets
>punished - with predictable results among the kids (who do know who screwed
>up). As they say, the kids work it out amongst themselves.
>
>Now, the true genius here is that this same method ought to be employed at
>the state level. We waste inordinate amounts of time and money in our
>criminal justice systems trying to figure out exactly who did what and so
>on, resulting in hung juries and all sorts of other nonsense. What we
>should do, when something bad has happened, is to take a cue from religion
>(and high school gym teachers) and just punish everybody. As noted above,
>the people would work it out amongst themselves.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
>Now, the true genius here is that this same method ought to be employed at
>the state level. We waste inordinate amounts of time and money in our
>criminal justice systems trying to figure out exactly who did what and so
>on, resulting in hung juries and all sorts of other nonsense. What we
>should do, when something bad has happened, is to take a cue from religion
>(and high school gym teachers) and just punish everybody. As noted above,
>the people would work it out amongst themselves.
--
• R. L. Measures.
Apr 30, 2012, 9:29:20 AM4/30/12
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Kenny McCormack
Apr 30, 2012, 9:45:48 AM4/30/12
to
In article <rL-300412...@10.0.1.3>,
R. L. Measures. <r...@somis.org> wrote:
...
teaching gym. You know the old saying:
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Those who can't teach, teach gym.
--
One of the best lines I've heard lately:
Obama could cure cancer tomorrow, and the Republicans would be
complaining that he had ruined the pharmaceutical business.
(Heard on Stephanie Miller = but the sad thing is that there is an awful lot
of direct truth in it. We've constructed an economy in which eliminating
cancer would be a horrible disaster. There are many other such examples.)
R. L. Measures. <r...@somis.org> wrote:
...
>>He operates. But therein lies the genius. It is the genius shared by high
>>school gym teachers (at least here in the US). The trick employed by high
>>school gym teachers is that if anyone in the class screws up, everybody gets
>>punished - with predictable results among the kids (who do know who screwed
>>up). As they say, the kids work it out amongst themselves.
>
>** this is how teachers earn a mo-fo rating among their students,
I'm of the view that gym teachers just don't care. That's why they're
>>school gym teachers (at least here in the US). The trick employed by high
>>school gym teachers is that if anyone in the class screws up, everybody gets
>>punished - with predictable results among the kids (who do know who screwed
>>up). As they say, the kids work it out amongst themselves.
>
>** this is how teachers earn a mo-fo rating among their students,
teaching gym. You know the old saying:
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Those who can't teach, teach gym.
--
One of the best lines I've heard lately:
Obama could cure cancer tomorrow, and the Republicans would be
complaining that he had ruined the pharmaceutical business.
(Heard on Stephanie Miller = but the sad thing is that there is an awful lot
of direct truth in it. We've constructed an economy in which eliminating
cancer would be a horrible disaster. There are many other such examples.)
• R. L. Measures.
Apr 30, 2012, 11:53:28 AM4/30/12
to
In article <jnm52c$i9u$1...@news.xmission.com>, gaz...@shell.xmission.com
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>In article <rL-300412...@10.0.1.3>,
>R. L. Measures. <r...@somis.org> wrote:
>...
>>>He operates. But therein lies the genius. It is the genius shared by high
>>>school gym teachers (at least here in the US). The trick employed by high
>>>school gym teachers is that if anyone in the class screws up, everybody gets
>>>punished - with predictable results among the kids (who do know who screwed
>>>up). As they say, the kids work it out amongst themselves.
>>
>>** this is how teachers earn a mo-fo rating among their students,
>
>I'm of the view that gym teachers just don't care. That's why they're
>teaching gym. You know the old saying:
>
>Those who can, do.
>Those who can't, teach.
>Those who can't teach, teach gym.
** chortle.
>In article <rL-300412...@10.0.1.3>,
>R. L. Measures. <r...@somis.org> wrote:
>...
>>>He operates. But therein lies the genius. It is the genius shared by high
>>>school gym teachers (at least here in the US). The trick employed by high
>>>school gym teachers is that if anyone in the class screws up, everybody gets
>>>punished - with predictable results among the kids (who do know who screwed
>>>up). As they say, the kids work it out amongst themselves.
>>
>>** this is how teachers earn a mo-fo rating among their students,
>
>I'm of the view that gym teachers just don't care. That's why they're
>teaching gym. You know the old saying:
>
>Those who can, do.
>Those who can't, teach.
>Those who can't teach, teach gym.
•RLMeasures
Dec 7, 2012, 12:50:56 PM12/7/12
to
In article <jnm52c$i9u$1...@news.xmission.com>, gaz...@shell.xmission.com
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
> In article <rL-300412...@10.0.1.3>,
> R. L. Measures. <r...@somis.org> wrote:
> ...
> >>He operates. But therein lies the genius. It is the genius shared by high
> >>school gym teachers (at least here in the US). The trick employed by high
> >>school gym teachers is that if anyone in the class screws up, everybody gets
> >>punished - with predictable results among the kids (who do know who screwed
> >>up). As they say, the kids work it out amongst themselves.
> >
> >** this is how teachers earn a mo-fo rating among their students,
>
> I'm of the view that gym teachers just don't care. That's why they're
> teaching gym. You know the old saying:
>
> Those who can, do.
> Those who can't, teach.
> Those who can't teach, teach gym.
• chortle.
> In article <rL-300412...@10.0.1.3>,
> R. L. Measures. <r...@somis.org> wrote:
> ...
> >>He operates. But therein lies the genius. It is the genius shared by high
> >>school gym teachers (at least here in the US). The trick employed by high
> >>school gym teachers is that if anyone in the class screws up, everybody gets
> >>punished - with predictable results among the kids (who do know who screwed
> >>up). As they say, the kids work it out amongst themselves.
> >
> >** this is how teachers earn a mo-fo rating among their students,
>
> I'm of the view that gym teachers just don't care. That's why they're
> teaching gym. You know the old saying:
>
> Those who can, do.
> Those who can't, teach.
> Those who can't teach, teach gym.
Cyber Joe
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