Another matter of ethics?
Basalat Ali Raja
For example, I am usually on as Gwydion; do I own
the nick, or is it up for grabs to anyone who
signs on with that nick? What about nickname
conflicts and the like? Or people signing on from
anonymous clients?
Opinions?
Questions?
Comments?
Insults?
Gwydion.
Greg Lindahl
No. When we have a million users, how will people be able to pick
unique nicknames?
Petri Nyk{nen
Is it acceptable for one person to own a nickname?
I think strongly that is it acceptable, because after using same nickname
for years people know you by that nickname, not by some loginname or such.
Now when some newcomer comes and takes the same nickname, what happens?
... A lot of quarrel and misunderstandings, because (IMHO) most of irc.people
just look at the nickname...
For example, I am usually on as Gwydion; do I own
the nick, or is it up for grabs to anyone who
signs on with that nick?
If I knew the the nick is already in use I would change immediately... It is
easier for the newcomer.
Gwydion.
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When we have a million users we don't have a net wanting us.
Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]
The way things are going, irc wont last that long <fx:cynical sneer:xf>
But seriously. It is no problem selecting a unique name for yourself. There
is always the option of inventing your own names, for a start. Furthermore,
with a system that _relies_ exclusively upon names as the reference method,
I say it IS acceptable for one person to own their nickname. It represents
the method of referring to them as an individual. If you find that you have
a specific problem with one other person, you may want to negotiate an
arrangement similar to that made between the two Elwood's, etc. There wasnt
_too_ much blood spilt arranging that compromise ;)
Atom.
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"If all women wore earmuffs and all men wore gloves, men would be obsessed
with putting their fingers in womens' ears." | Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]
OB: RMIT never even dreamed any of this. I did. s88...@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au
Mike O'Connor
:the method of referring to them as an individual. If you find that you have
:a specific problem with one other person, you may want to negotiate an
:arrangement similar to that made between the two Elwood's, etc. There wasnt
:_too_ much blood spilt arranging that compromise ;)
And what arrangement was this, out of curiosity? And how much blood
was shed? :)
...Swipe
====
Mike O'Connor (m...@ais.org)
Darren Reed
>In article <1991May4.1...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gl...@astsun7.astro.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
>> >Is it acceptable for one person to own a nickname?
>>
>> No. When we have a million users, how will people be able to pick
>> unique nicknames?
>The way things are going, irc wont last that long <fx:cynical sneer:xf>
>But seriously. It is no problem selecting a unique name for yourself. There
>is always the option of inventing your own names, for a start. Furthermore,
>with a system that _relies_ exclusively upon names as the reference method,
>I say it IS acceptable for one person to own their nickname. It represents
a person should NOT own a nickname. Nicknames are to be obselete one
day (if things ever get back on track). How many other systems are there
where your nickname is reserved for you only ?
From what WiZ said about where he planned to get rid of nicknames and
other discussions with others, userid on irc would be by user@host.
If you want a nickname for someone then make it local to you only.
Somewhat like mail i guess.
But i guess due to the current turn of events we wont see any of this
for some time to come. maybe it is better with global nicks and the
junk that comes with them such as nickname collisions - but i guess
you ordinary users wouldnt know much about that or the screenfuls of
junk that we get when this happens. What is to be gained by allowing
people to 'own' nicknames ??
>the method of referring to them as an individual. If you find that you have
>a specific problem with one other person, you may want to negotiate an
>arrangement similar to that made between the two Elwood's, etc. There wasnt
>_too_ much blood spilt arranging that compromise ;)
its not the only one either. and i really doubt many people could care
less how it turned out. Perhaps you will login someday and find someone
from the usa has 'stolen' your nick. With the best of intentions, small
things can take on gigantic proportions.
-avalon
Greg Lindahl
>>From what WiZ said about where he planned to get rid of nicknames and
>>other discussions with others, userid on irc would be by user@host.
>>If you want a nickname for someone then make it local to you only.
>>Somewhat like mail i guess.
>
>Dunno if this is personal taste, but I wouldn't like to have to type
>/msg s884764 just to msg you.
You won't. Nicknames will remain on the *local* level -- your client
will know that "Wumpus" stands for "gl...@virginia.edu", because last
time you talked to me that's what you were using as a nickname. If
several people claiming to be Wumpus have sent you messages, you'll
pick which one *you* want to call Wumpus.
Just some loser...
ava...@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) told me...:
>s88...@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au (Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]) writes:
^^^^^^^^
>
>
>a person should NOT own a nickname. Nicknames are to be obselete one
>day (if things ever get back on track). How many other systems are there
>where your nickname is reserved for you only ?
>
>From what WiZ said about where he planned to get rid of nicknames and
>other discussions with others, userid on irc would be by user@host.
>If you want a nickname for someone then make it local to you only.
>Somewhat like mail i guess.
Dunno if this is personal taste, but I wouldn't like to have to type
/msg s884764 just to msg you. Or I wouldn't like to have to remember
that number just to recognize you. Though some systems have pretty
easy enough user names to remember, There are lots that are just one
letter, and about 5 numbers. Those arne't to easy to deal with.
--
- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
- All undetectable errors will be treated as if no error occured. (IBM)
- A mind is like a parachute. It only functions when open. (David Dunham)
- A masterful retreat is itself a victory. (N. V. Peale )
Darren Reed
>ava...@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) told me...:
>>s88...@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au (Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]) writes:
>^^^^^^^^
>>
>>
>>a person should NOT own a nickname. Nicknames are to be obselete one
>>day (if things ever get back on track). How many other systems are there
>>where your nickname is reserved for you only ?
>>
>>From what WiZ said about where he planned to get rid of nicknames and
>>other discussions with others, userid on irc would be by user@host.
>>If you want a nickname for someone then make it local to you only.
>>Somewhat like mail i guess.
>Dunno if this is personal taste, but I wouldn't like to have to type
>/msg s884764 just to msg you. Or I wouldn't like to have to remember
>that number just to recognize you. Though some systems have pretty
>easy enough user names to remember, There are lots that are just one
>letter, and about 5 numbers. Those arne't to easy to deal with.
there is a command called "alias" in most clients.
how hard is it to create an alias so you dont have to type "/msg s884764"
everytime to send a private message to s884764.
Granted it will cause inconviences, ie you might have a different login
id on two computers and can use the one nickname currently to 'hide'
the difference.
But do you have any better idea on how to uniquely identify users ?
Maybe we can serialize them or issue them with a number when they signon ?
-avalon
Troy Rollo
avalon> a person should NOT own a nickname. Nicknames are to be obselete one
avalon> day (if things ever get back on track). How many other systems are there
avalon> where your nickname is reserved for you only ?
avalon> From what WiZ said about where he planned to get rid of nicknames and
avalon> other discussions with others, userid on irc would be by user@host.
avalon> If you want a nickname for someone then make it local to you only.
avalon> Somewhat like mail i guess.
This leaves those who share accounts way out in the cold. And those who
have accounts with meaningless names. A better way, IMHO, would be some form
of extended Fully Qualified Nicknames. For example, I might become Troy.Rollo,
or Troy.M.Rollo. Then the client could use some simple method of determining
the first person you know with the first part of the nick, and abbreviating
to just the first part. Then when somebody comes along with a duplicate,
it can use the extended version. OR perhaps another part of the nick.
Just like in real life.
Of course this would require people to be sensible about choosing the rest
of the nick, after all, if all the Pebbles' used Pebbles.Flintstone we'd
still have the same problem.
___________________________________________________________
troy@mr_plod.cbme.unsw.oz.au
Ofer Inbar
No, you cannot *own* a nickname.
>For example, I am usually on as Gwydion; do I own
>the nick, or is it up for grabs to anyone who
>signs on with that nick? What about nickname
>conflicts and the like? Or people signing on from
>anonymous clients?
If someone else signs on and takes the name Gwydion, they will
probably cause a lot of confusion. That's because you are on IRC a
lot, and people are used to Gwydion being you. The new user could do
both you and him/herself a great courtesy by switching to another
nickname. But it is no more than that, a courtesy.
NickServ made it much easier. A new user could tell right away that
they were starting a name conflict, and could decide right away
whether or not they wanted to do this. Without NickServ, a user may
use irc for a while as Gwydion, while you are away, and *then* find
out. But by then they will have some attachment to the nickname, and
some people will mistake you for the other person, etc.
-- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- c...@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
-- WBRS (BRiS) -- WB...@binah.cc.brandeis.edu WB...@brandeis.bitnet
IRC is fun. It's easy to ignore bickering operators. Period.
Just some loser...
ava...@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) told me...:
>asam...@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Just some loser...) writes:
>
>
>
>>ava...@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) told me...:
>>>s88...@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au (Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]) writes:
>>^^^^^^^^
>
>>>
>>>
>>>a person should NOT own a nickname. Nicknames are to be obselete one
>>>day (if things ever get back on track). How many other systems are there
>>>where your nickname is reserved for you only ?
>>>
>>>From what WiZ said about where he planned to get rid of nicknames and
>>>other discussions with others, userid on irc would be by user@host.
>>>If you want a nickname for someone then make it local to you only.
>>>Somewhat like mail i guess.
>
>>Dunno if this is personal taste, but I wouldn't like to have to type
>>/msg s884764 just to msg you. Or I wouldn't like to have to remember
>>that number just to recognize you. Though some systems have pretty
>>easy enough user names to remember, There are lots that are just one
>>letter, and about 5 numbers. Those arne't to easy to deal with.
>
>there is a command called "alias" in most clients.
>how hard is it to create an alias so you dont have to type "/msg s884764"
>everytime to send a private message to s884764.
>
>Granted it will cause inconviences, ie you might have a different login
>id on two computers and can use the one nickname currently to 'hide'
>the difference.
>
Well, you brought up exactly the argument I was going to make. I
currently use IRC from two machines. I prefer one to the other
though, because the client doesnt work properly on the (AIX) machine.
Another thing I don't need is a another file I have to make (or just add
on to my .ircrc) that contains all the aliases of the people I talk to
on IRC. I like it how it is now. I have encountered very few problems
with conflicting Nicknames (though a few more after nickserv was gone)
This was usualy jsut because I jsut started talking to the person and I
didn't recognize their user@host, or most recently, because I relied on
nickserv to make sure that the people I talked to were the right people
I didn't bother with remembering the user@host, but now that it is gone,
I have to. Someone earlier had a brilliant idea. Just have
certain vital names hardcoded into the software...Though this would create
problems because EVERYONE would have to update their servers (or atleast a
lot of them) Something along the lines that gives a notice to whoever
is using the *Serv nick, a message saying that they cannot use it..
Or take some other drastic action.
but then again, you don't have to listen to me....
--
- The only good composer is a dead composer
- The older a man gets, the further he had to walk to school as a kid.
- The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from!
- Those who cling to life die, those who defy death live. (Kenshin)
Carl v. Loesch
Wonderful. Now suggest an implementation of /names. After all it's still
one of the most used commands on irc....
Greg Lindahl
>This leaves those who share accounts way out in the cold.
Only if the implementer has no brain, which hasn't been true so far.
Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]
Well, they simply took the different names "Elwood_G" for the one in
Germany, and Elwood_F for the one in Finland, as far as I know. Something
like that, anyway. It was quite some time ago.
Sorta like surnames, really.
As for blood, I dont think you can spill much with each party on
opposite sides of the Baltic, though there may be some Finns and Germans
who remember the wars a little too well... (hang on... wasnt Finland on
Germany's side? Can't imagine them being on Russia's side... Sigh... It's
all history now, like the Berlin wall)
Atom.
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"If all women wore earmuffs and all men wore gloves, men would be obsessed
with putting their fingers in womens' ears." | Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]
OB: RMIT never even dreamed any of this. I did. s88...@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au
ps: This is only my recollection of events. They may indeed have been in
different countries (although one was definitely in Germany) and may
in fact have taken different letters, but the meaning is the same.
If there are two people in the same country, then it's a little
easier to bring blood into it, so they can get together and fight it
out if they're really that childish :) Draw straws or something. I dunno.
Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]
>
>
> ava...@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) told me...:
>}s88...@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au (Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]) writes:
> ^^^^^^^^
>
>}
>}
>}a person should NOT own a nickname. Nicknames are to be obselete one
>}day (if things ever get back on track). How many other systems are there
>}where your nickname is reserved for you only ?
>}
>}From what WiZ said about where he planned to get rid of nicknames and
>}other discussions with others, userid on irc would be by user@host.
>}If you want a nickname for someone then make it local to you only.
>}Somewhat like mail i guess.
>
> Dunno if this is personal taste, but I wouldn't like to have to type
> /msg s884764 just to msg you. Or I wouldn't like to have to remember
> that number just to recognize you. Though some systems have pretty
> easy enough user names to remember, There are lots that are just one
> letter, and about 5 numbers. Those arne't to easy to deal with.
Ok, Ok.... Thanks heaps whoever was responsible. Possibly avalon. I
_hope_ not.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR EDITING.
It can very easily result in the correct writings (those being replied to)
being attributed to the wrong person. I did not write any of the included
text above, however it is quite concievable that someone did write the
above in response to my article, which, for everyones reference, appears
below.
And yes, I'm sending a copy via e-mail as well.
Ta.
Atom.
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"If all women wore earmuffs and all men wore gloves, men would be obsessed
with putting their fingers in womens' ears." | Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]
OB: RMIT never even dreamed any of this. I did. s88...@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au
--------------------------=< Begin included text >=-------------------------
]In article <1991May4.1...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gl...@astsun7.astro.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
]> >Is it acceptable for one person to own a nickname?
]>
]> No. When we have a million users, how will people be able to pick
]> unique nicknames?
]The way things are going, irc wont last that long <fx:cynical sneer:xf>
]But seriously. It is no problem selecting a unique name for yourself. There
]is always the option of inventing your own names, for a start. Furthermore,
]with a system that _relies_ exclusively upon names as the reference method,
]I say it IS acceptable for one person to own their nickname. It represents
]the method of referring to them as an individual. If you find that you have
]a specific problem with one other person, you may want to negotiate an
]arrangement similar to that made between the two Elwood's, etc. There wasnt
]_too_ much blood spilt arranging that compromise ;)
]Atom.
---------------------------=< End included text >=--------------------------
Troy Rollo
Carl.von.Loesch> Wonderful. Now suggest an implementation of /names. After all it's still
Carl.von.Loesch> one of the most used commands on irc....
I've been thinking about this more over the past few days. This could
probably be achieved reasonably at a client level by strategic use of the
IRCNAME field. For example, we could take a hint from /etc/passwd and
use ':' as a field separator. Now if we set IRCNAME to something like this:
Troy Rollo:Troy.Rollo:Sydney
The clients could retrieve this information, and take the second field
as an indication on what you wish to be called, and the third field,
a location as a final identifier. A client can deal with this by:
1) Recording the full length nick and location for each user.
this could be done using IRC with setuid to generate a
common file on each host, to save space.
2) For each such entry in the stystem file, keeping an age of the
entry, and discarding entries after, say, a month.
3) Recording, on a per user basis, how many elements of the
given list should be used.
For example, I'm the only person using Troy currently. So the client would
record "Troy" in the local file, and from then on you would know me as
"Troy" rather than the login. Then, say somebody signed on with the following
fields:
Troy Smith:Troy.Smith:Los Angeles
The client could recognise the conflict with my nick, and use "Troy.Smith".
Now if you were talking to Troy.Smith more often, a command could change this
around, say, /FAMILIAR Troy.Smith, which would cause you to refer to him as
Troy, and to me as Troy.Rollo
THe format of the host's file would be something of the form:
Sequence_Number:Dotted.Nick.Name:Location
for example,
0001:Troy.Rollo:Sydney
0002:Troy.Smith:Los Angeles
The individual user's file would be of the form:
Sequence_number:FieldsUsed
for example
0001:2
0002:1
(For somebody who has typed /FAMILIAR Troy.Smith)
Now say we had an even bigger disaster. There's another Troy.Smith in
Montreal. WHose field reads as:
Troy Smith:Troy.Smith:Montreal
The client would then need to use something like Troy.Smith#Montreal
to identify the user.
Obviously if there were two Troy.Smiths in Montreal there would be a
somewhat insoluble problem, which they'd have to sort out between
themselves.
Note that I don't resort to logins or hostnames to identify a user
in this system, because that would lose functionality, in that people
who use different accounts would come up as different people when
logged on from the wrong account.
The only potential problem I can see with this is in the size of the
database required. That would need to be subject to experimentation
though. Does anyboy have any figures on the total number of distinct
users on IRC in a typical 2 month period?
The advantage of this sort of protocol is that it could be implemented
with not change to the server protocol (except that changing nicks
whould be more difficult - probably a good thing). The old nickname field
could then be used as a kind of serial number hashed from the internet
dotted qu, the login name and the user name. a-z0-9 up to 9 chars gives
up to 1E14 values. OF course that would require another field in the host's
file to list all the hashed nicks for a user. But as that's still at the
client level, there are probably more reasonable things to do with the
nick field for now (like create it from the first part of the dotted nick)
--
___________________________________________________________
troy@mr_plod.cbme.unsw.oz.au
Troy Rollo
Troy Rollo:Troy.Rollo:Sydney
for example,
for example
0001:2
0002:1
Troy Smith:Troy.Smith:Montreal
___________________________________________________________
troy@mr_plod.cbme.unsw.oz.au
Greg Lindahl
>>You won't. Nicknames will remain on the *local* level -- your client
>>will know that "Wumpus" stands for "gl...@virginia.edu", because last
>>time you talked to me that's what you were using as a nickname. If
>>several people claiming to be Wumpus have sent you messages, you'll
>>pick which one *you* want to call Wumpus.
>
>Wonderful. Now suggest an implementation of /names. After all it's still
>one of the most used commands on irc....
Most-used, yes, most expensive, yes :-(
When we have 10 or 100 times as many users, the cost of keeping our
global database of names is probably going to be much larger than the
messages they're sending. Already leaf nodes pay much more for the
database than they do for messages.
So I don't think we'll have /names as it is now. I think you'll be
able to get a listing for regions (say countries or universities) but
it will take a while because it will have to go query things instead
of having all the information at hand.
After all, how easy is it to get a list of all people who are capable
of receiving email over the Internet?
Troy Rollo
troy> whould be more difficult - probably a good thing). The old nickname field
troy> could then be used as a kind of serial number hashed from the internet
troy> dotted qu, the login name and the user name. a-z0-9 up to 9 chars gives
troy> up to 1E14 values. OF course that would require another field in the host's
Silly... no need to hash from the login name and user name. Just do a direct
linear translation of the dotted quad and the user ID. THat's should be
sufficiently unique! :)
--
___________________________________________________________
troy@mr_plod.cbme.unsw.oz.au
Just some loser...
s88...@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au (Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]) told me...:
>In article <1991May7.2...@engin.umich.edu>, m...@irie.ais.org (Mike O'Connor) writes:
>> In article <1991May7.0...@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> s88...@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au (Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]) writes:
>>
>> :arrangement similar to that made between the two Elwood's, etc. There wasnt
>> :_too_ much blood spilt arranging that compromise ;)
>>
>> And what arrangement was this, out of curiosity? And how much blood
>> was shed? :)
>
>Well, they simply took the different names "Elwood_G" for the one in
>Germany, and Elwood_F for the one in Finland, as far as I know. Something
>like that, anyway. It was quite some time ago.
>
>Sorta like surnames, really.
Well, my nick is alredy Rogue_F...and I am not Rogue from Finnland
And I don't want my name to be Rogue_F_U (for united states)
That seems kinda vulgar...heh
--
- Let him that would move the world, first move himself. (Socrates)
- Our desires multiply so much faster than our ability to satisfy them.
- Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your
aim. (Santayana)
Just some loser...
s88...@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au (Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]) told me...:
>In article <282825...@petunia.CalPoly.EDU>, asam...@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Just some loser...) writes:
>>
>>
>> ava...@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) told me...:
>>}s88...@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au (Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]) writes:
>> ^^^^^^^^
>>
>>}
>>}
>>}a person should NOT own a nickname. Nicknames are to be obselete one
>>}day (if things ever get back on track). How many other systems are there
>>}where your nickname is reserved for you only ?
>>}
>>}From what WiZ said about where he planned to get rid of nicknames and
>>}other discussions with others, userid on irc would be by user@host.
>>}If you want a nickname for someone then make it local to you only.
>>}Somewhat like mail i guess.
>>
>> Dunno if this is personal taste, but I wouldn't like to have to type
>> /msg s884764 just to msg you. Or I wouldn't like to have to remember
>> that number just to recognize you. Though some systems have pretty
>> easy enough user names to remember, There are lots that are just one
>> letter, and about 5 numbers. Those arne't to easy to deal with.
>
>Ok, Ok.... Thanks heaps whoever was responsible. Possibly avalon. I
>_hope_ not.
>
>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR EDITING.
Gawd, this post took a while to reach me (about 3 days) anyways
I was not using your user id saying it was you who wrote the message
But your user id was a convenient example of what you would have to
deal with if there were no nicks, just user@host
I I just meant that as an example.
--
- Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most.
- You must be from the shallow end of the gene pool.
- I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
- My reality check just bounced.
Alan D.
>s88...@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au (Grant Waldram [Atom Smash]) writes:
>>In article <1991May4.1...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gl...@astsun7.astro.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
>>> >Is it acceptable for one person to own a nickname?
>a person should NOT own a nickname. Nicknames are to be obselete one
>day (if things ever get back on track). How many other systems are there
>where your nickname is reserved for you only ?
The unix system I call from is one... My social group is another.
When someone new comes in, they can not choose to be called by the
same thing I am. When I leave the group, if they desire or if someone
else comes in, they will have the option of taking the name I use now.
>From what WiZ said about where he planned to get rid of nicknames and
>other discussions with others, userid on irc would be by user@host.
>If you want a nickname for someone then make it local to you only.
>Somewhat like mail i guess.
I can understand this, and like the idea. Just put a
/expand <nick> <address> capability into the .ircrc file, and I think
it might actually work.
>But i guess due to the current turn of events we wont see any of this
>for some time to come. maybe it is better with global nicks and the
>junk that comes with them such as nickname collisions - but i guess
>you ordinary users wouldnt know much about that or the screenfuls of
>junk that we get when this happens. What is to be gained by allowing
>people to 'own' nicknames ??
I think a very good way to work this would be if nickserv would
automatically keep track of the amount of time since the last time a
person logged in, and say at the end of 4 months without using an
nickname, or if a person manually unregistered their nickname, it
would be unregistered. I choose 4 months because in the United
States, the 'summer intercession' is 3 months long, and this will give
some leeway. I understand that the world doesn't run by the US
standards (thank god) but I believe the majority of IRC users are from
the US...
> Perhaps you will login someday and find someone
>from the usa has 'stolen' your nick. With the best of intentions, small
>things can take on gigantic proportions.
A good idea here would be to have a "beginners guide to IRC" which
would cover such things as nickserv, noteserv, ircIIhelp, and the
other experimental servers... It should explain the guidelines for
certain channels (initgame [my home away from home], hottub,
twilight_zone, 42, etc.), explain that the nickserv password should
NOT be the user's system password, and any other important IRC-related
information. Once compiled, it should be a 'monthly posting' here on
alt.irc.
Well, I hope this is the last nickserv-related post I need to make for
a while. *grin* I would like to see nickserv back up, and see very
little wrong with the way it worked.
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Who am I? al...@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu <Alan D.>
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Who, me? Nope, I didn't say that. Must have been my evil twin
Who am I? al...@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu <Alan D.>
Where am I? Brandeis University Box 3130 Waltham, MA 02254-9110