Nickserv and all the jazz...
Persian Nightmare
Well, I think we have burnt Nickserv down to the MAX, and alienated
a very nice person Armin. Now I understand Nickserv had a terrible
bug, but that is no reason to start calling for a *linch mob* for
it. Why not put a small note when you use it like:
"NOTICE: Please do not use the same password you use for Nickserv
as you do for your account. Neither Nickserv nor IRC are bug free
and we highly recommend you keep your password a secret."
Now, for my main point, BRING NICKSERV BACK!! I have encluded 64
mail messages I have received in the last 15 hours regarding
whether it should be brought back or not. There are only 2 votes
for against. Please let us see if we can temporarily fix the
problems in Nickserv until something better can be found.
*HOPING FOR A MIRACLE*,
Shahryar
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From ro...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Tue May 7 23:23:26 1991
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From: ro...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Just like I said.)
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To: shah...@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Status: OR
yeah for nickserv ............we need it!!!!!!!
robb
From mas3...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Tue May 7 23:23:42 1991
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From: Mike <mas3...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: yeah!
Status: OR
yes.
oui.
From k...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Tue May 7 23:23:48 1991
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From: k...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kev)
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yep here is my vote..
btw my ex g'friend goes to skool there at sfsu....said LOTs of cute guys
out there :-)
From Joerg....@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de Tue May 7 23:24:40 1991
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From: Joerg Lehners <Joerg....@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de>
To: shah...@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Subject: I'm pro nickserv
Status: OR
yeah !
I'm pro Nickserv !
From ste...@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu Tue May 7 23:25:02 1991
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From: ste...@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve E. Robinette)
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To: shah...@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Subject: nickserv
Status: OR
YES
yes
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yes
yes
yes
ye
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yes
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scuse me... did I say yes?
Oui
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clear yet?
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Peace
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Stever
From s...@lagtec.lag.itesm.mx Tue May 7 23:25:26 1991
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From: s...@lagtec.lag.itesm.mx (Samuel F. F. Davila C.)
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Yeah
Thank You.
Sam.
From bri...@gnu.ai.mit.edu Tue May 7 23:27:05 1991
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From: bri...@gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Eternal One)
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To: shah...@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Subject: Nickserv
Status: OR
Being that nickserv and noteserv are connected, and Nickserv is
how one reserves an name on IRC so that we can all have our freedom and nod
err not ( sorry, its late ) be worried that others are using 'us' I think
that a reinstatement of Nickserv is needed. I for one like knowing that I am '
the only one that is using 'me' as it is an extension of myself to the world.
We don't want anyone to get the wrong impression of me now, do we? heh
later, and Thanx
Brian...
Infinity... oo
I haven't given up on changing the world...
I just cannot do it alone.
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Subject: nickserv
Status: OR
Hi !
Read your announcement today and am now writing this short e-mail to let
you know that I would find it very o.k. if the nickserv would come back.
Greetings RONIN
From s89...@otto.bf.rmit.OZ.AU Tue May 7 23:27:31 1991
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I am in favour
Pebbles
From pu...@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu Tue May 7 23:27:47 1991
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yeah
From ana...@umn-ai.cs.umn.edu Tue May 7 23:28:10 1991
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Status: OR
Great that Nickserv was scrapped...
Keep it that way.. please :) :)..
Ananth.
Nick : goofy
From sa...@byron.u.washington.edu Tue May 7 23:28:38 1991
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I want nickserv back.\
Alf
From arbe...@informatik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de Tue May 7 23:29:16 1991
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I don't know much about the recent quarrels, but i'd like to have
nickserv back.
Barny
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From mm2...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Tue May 7 23:29:39 1991
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From: "A somewhat nice guy." <mm2...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
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To: shah...@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
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Status: OR
Please restore NickServ. I see no harm in having it on IRC - it is a
convenient way of verifying nicknames, and of seeing when people have
been on recently.
+-Murphy's law: The amount of bugs present-+-Michael Murphy--------------+
| in your program is directly proportional | mur...@symcom.math.uiuc.edu |
| to the time you've spent working on the | mm2...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu |
+-damn thing.------------------------------+-----------------------------+
From gib...@husc9.harvard.edu Tue May 7 23:32:46 1991
Date: Wed, 8 May 91 02:32:22 -0400
From: gib...@husc9.harvard.edu (Jennifer Gibson)
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To: shah...@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Subject: irc nickserv
Status: OR
Cast one "yeah" into the lot.
From vpopesc%nep...@calstatela.edu Tue May 7 23:33:45 1991
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From: vpopesc%nep...@calstatela.edu (Valentin Popescu)
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Status: OR
Please bring nickserv back.
PLease take wisner away.
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From jo...@magellan.colorado.edu Tue May 7 23:33:52 1991
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From: JOHN CARROLL <jo...@magellan.colorado.edu>
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Status: OR
Please return NickServ to IRC.
Rooski
From jo...@magellan.colorado.edu Tue May 7 23:34:59 1991
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Vote yeah.
Rooski
From AK...@LUCY.WELLESLEY.EDU Tue May 7 23:35:32 1991
Date: Wed, 8 May 1991 02:35 EDT
From: Are we almost there? <AK...@LUCY.WELLESLEY.EDU>
Subject: Nickserv.
To: shah...@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
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Status: OR
Just writing to beg you to reinstate it, as Hamlet requested. I could really
use it...I used to be reserved as "daisy" and now there are several floating
around....
Adrienne Khol
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Status: OR
I vote : Yea, affirmative.
-
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We want it back... yea...
From ma...@gnu.ai.mit.edu Tue May 7 23:53:37 1991
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Yeah
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Yeah
From g...@gnu.ai.mit.edu Tue May 7 23:57:02 1991
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From: g...@gnu.ai.mit.edu (George)
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Yeah
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yes, bring it back!! (nickserv!)
From ele...@cdc835.cdc.polimi.it Wed May 8 00:00:37 1991
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Hi!
I would like to have Nickserv back!
Thanx...
BYE YE
Matteo Taveggia
(IRCNICK=Jug)
From ken...@gnu.ai.mit.edu Wed May 8 00:01:02 1991
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From: ken...@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Suzanna Kennedy)
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Yeah
From bdra...@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Wed May 8 00:01:27 1991
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I don't know why it did go away, but i want it back.
I think it was a very useful service and i miss it.
Ciao,
bernd
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From <@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU:POB...@LSUVM.BITNET> Wed May 8 00:03:54 1991
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From: "If You Wish Upon A Star.." <POBOEC%LSUVM....@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
To: NickServ <shah...@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu>
Status: OR
YYYY YYYY EEEEEEEEEEEE SSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!
YYYY YYYY EEEEEEEEEEEE SSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!
YYYY YYYY EEEE SSSS !!!!
YYYY YYYY EEEE SSSS !!!!
YYYYYYYY EEEEEEEEEEEE SSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!
YYYY EEEEEEEEEEEE SSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!
YYYY EEEE SSSS !!!!
YYYY EEEE SSSS
YYYY EEEEEEEEEEEE SSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!
YYYY EEEEEEEEEEEE SSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!
I WANT YOU TO KEEP NICKSERV!!!!
Love,
Sib
From joh...@gnu.ai.mit.edu Wed May 8 00:08:31 1991
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From: joh...@gnu.ai.mit.edu (John Rodney Pain)
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Status: OR
Yeah
From a...@stekt.oulu.fi Wed May 8 00:08:35 1991
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From: a...@stekt.oulu.fi (Antti Kyll|nen ti)
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Status: OR
I vote for NickServ's return.
--Antti
From lin...@gnu.ai.mit.edu Wed May 8 00:12:10 1991
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From: lin...@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Linda Gutierrez)
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Yeah
From C_S244...@RUNT.APPSTATE.EDU Wed May 8 00:13:45 1991
Date: Wed, 8 May 1991 03:16 EST
From: DAVID RITTERSKAMP <C_S244...@RUNT.APPSTATE.EDU>
Subject: do it!
To: SHAH...@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU
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Status: OR
just writing to say...put nickserv back up..thanx.
From ac...@gnu.ai.mit.edu Wed May 8 00:15:12 1991
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yeah
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From: thomas donohue <don...@freezer.acs.udel.edu>
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Evening (or rather morning, I should say) Hamlet,
I was rather disappointed at hearing the news about Nickserve being destroyed.
Although I am somewhat new to and inexperienced with irc, I feel that Nickserve
should be reinstated, although I don't know how I would go about using it. If it
happens to come back into existence, I would be thrilled to hear from you, if
possible, to let me know how to use it, and reserve the nick Rusty for my use
only. Thank you very much for your concern, and good luck
May the force be with you! =)
Thomas J. Donohue, III (Rusty)
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YES
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I vote yes.
From km...@ulrik.uio.no Wed May 8 07:29:05 1991
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DOWN WITH NICKSERV
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*tommi* Yes, NickServ is good and it should be brought back, definitely!
From vivi...@rpi.edu Wed May 8 07:31:00 1991
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I personally liked nickserv, however /ignore nickserv was too easy a way
around it. Id like to see it back with a little more OOMPH. But for that
it would have to be working properly in all resepects (it often would not accept
commands to allow new addresses and the like). There should also be a facility
for a name timing out, so that they arent kept for users who never log on, but
that would have to take into account the seasonality of students. (ie a lot
of people have no net access from may-sept)
Just my thoughts
Ron S Laliberte
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yes!! return nickserv (and noteserv) to use.
you should also make a referendom about wether NickServ is allowed to
kill usesr that use other's nicknames
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Voting for re-connection of the highly usefull duo: NickServ/NoteServ...
...along with trying to restore Armin faith in the IRC community...
From byte...@cip-s01.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Wed May 8 07:33:44 1991
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I want Nickserv back!
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nickserv is great. bring it back!
From har...@srv.cip.physik.tu-muenchen.de Wed May 8 07:38:45 1991
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From: Michaela....@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE
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I found NickServ useful and would like to see it back on
irc again.
\TNT
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I vote YES. Please bring back NickServ.
Bye, Top
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I vote YES on NickServ
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I think NickServ is a very useful tool on the irc....
Volker. (YeggMan)
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Yes, I would like Nickserv to come up again.
S_A...@IRAVCL.UKA.DE
From Herwig....@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de Wed May 8 07:51:36 1991
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yes
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Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From a...@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de Wed May 8 08:08:03 1991
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NickServ - YES
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From: Kai Seidler <osw...@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de>
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hello,
i want the nickserv back!
bye, have a nice day,
oswald
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From mnfr...@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Wed May 8 08:17:31 1991
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My vote is YES, it must come back.
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From ler...@acsu.buffalo.edu Wed May 8 08:25:36 1991
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>From lerczak Wed May 8 10:36:32 1991
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From: lerczak (Horse)
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Hello!!
I say yay! to the nickserv.
i liked it because it:
1) let others know that the name was reserved (didn't stop them from taking
it, but most people were decent enough not too)
2) enabled you to find out when a person last signed on or off (if the nick
was registered)
Those 2 things are more than enough of a convienence to make nickserv a highly
desirable service.
Thank you for listening to me...
Horse (aka Michael J. Lerczak)
From Frank....@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de Wed May 8 08:27:43 1991
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YES, I would like to see Nickserv again. Thank you.
- Frank
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Status: OR
I don't know much about the war that was occuring, but I am writing to find out
about that to someone else. In the mean time, I am writing to you as Hamlet the
other night gave us your address over irc if we wanted to have nickserv
reinstated. Well, I want nickserv reinstated. From what it seems like, it is an
operator arguement, and has very little to do with the users, sorta like the
net-split arguement. It's understood that the irc operators are supposed to
make decisions of this sort representing the best interests of the users, but
in this case, that just isn't the case. Removing nickserv after it having
been there is a very bad idea, and will cause a lot more problems than
whatever the ops were complaining about. Now, so that people know noonoe else
is usinig their nick, people will start leaving their terms on all the time,
or leave processes running, so that they have a process running irc with their
nick. Net lag and Net burps are bad enough, but this will create a lot more
of it with extra people keeping irc processes running, and for no other reason
than to protect their nick, because there is no longer a service to do so.
Forget what the ops are complaining about, and listen to the users. After all,
they'r the ones irc is set up for...
-Joshua A. Laff
Smiley :)
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From: Michaela....@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE
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Status: OR
O.k, you wanna know ppls opinion on NickServ going away.
Just killin' a service robot for seeing to often messages
`bout reserved \nick's, as Wisner stated in a news posting,
is really bad style. Maex' call for a new irc-net with
something like a netiquette for users and operators
is the most reasonable thing I heard in the discussion...
\TNT
Michaela K. Harlander | internet: har...@physik.tu-muenchen.de
Institut fuer Theor. Physik | or: har...@marvin.e17.physik.tu-muenchen.de
Techn. Univ. Muenchen |
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Status: OR
bring back nickserv!!!
Jeff
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Michael Uhlemann
..... nice! Really nice. And Me? I support this votes:
I am also for good old NickServ
Hey NickServ, come back !!!!!
Michael
Susanne I. Kochwagner
In article <1991May8....@nic.csu.net>, shah...@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Persian Nightmare) writes:
|> Dear all,
|>
|> Well, I think we have burnt Nickserv down to the MAX, and alienated
|> a very nice person Armin. Now I understand Nickserv had a terrible
|> bug, but that is no reason to start calling for a *linch mob* for
|> it. Why not put a small note when you use it like:
|>
|> "NOTICE: Please do not use the same password you use for Nickserv
|> as you do for your account. Neither Nickserv nor IRC are bug free
|> and we highly recommend you keep your password a secret."
|>
|> Now, for my main point, BRING NICKSERV BACK!! I have encluded 64
|> mail messages I have received in the last 15 hours regarding
|> whether it should be brought back or not. There are only 2 votes
|> for against. Please let us see if we can temporarily fix the
|> problems in Nickserv until something better can be found.
|>
|> *HOPING FOR A MIRACLE*,
|>
|> Shahryar
Hi all ...
we only can hope for a miracle having the following little story in mind.
It's the summary of events happening to me in the last week ...
the first week a. NN. (after Nick/NoteServ).
It still sounds like science fiction, but it could become reality if
nothing changes ...
I logged in, started "ircII Cookie"... and felt a kind of astonished:
Something strange like
Cookie: Nickname already in use
appeared on my screen. I couldn't believe it and tried again: /nick Cookie.
Failure!
A /whois Cookie told me, that another user was already in. With *MY* nick!
My nick? Are there *my* nicks any longer?
Starting a (in the end fruitless) discussion with the other user I recognized
that it wasn't his fault using this nick. Nobody told him that "Cookie" is already
in use, because
there is no NickServ anymore.
"O.K.", I thought by myself. "Let's choose a new one. kochwagn (which was still my
nick since I coudn't change it to "Cookie" ) doesn't sound very attractive."
*** Start phantasy and type *** /nick <xyz>.
... some hours later ...
As I promised to somebody to be in irc at a certain time (to be correct I had a
date ;-) and recognizing that I couldn't be there, I wanted to leave him a
short message.
But .. oh Gosh .. how should I do that when
there is no NoteServ anymore.
"Let's send him an e-mail. That'll be enough", I thought.
Unfortunately I had forgotten his e-mail-address.
"Never mind", I said to me, already typing /msg NickServ whois <abc>.
But while I still was typing I realized that
there is no NickServ anymore.
Meanwhile some strange /msg's appeared on my screen. ppl I never saw said 'hi'..
Of course this happens very often .. but suddenly I 'heard' somebody yelling
"This is *MY* nick..!!' (Obviously my phantasy chose the wrong name..*sigh*)
I didn't want to discuss any longer and finished this session.
I went to the next post office, bought a telephone card and had a long distance
call with the guy I wanted to meet on irc. Half an hour for about 25 DM....
THE END
I guess that - a week a. NN. - this isn't the rule. But I'm afraid that such sessions will happen more often than I want to have them.
I don't know wether this is the opinion of many irc-users, but it's mine:
I want them back, both, Nick- and NoteServ !!
To avoid such situations.
I admit that it is diffcult to solve the nickname problem of having thousands
of users and they all should choose different names.
I also admit that there are still some problems to solve with these two services.
But they - besides all the security problems - have many advantages I don't want
to loose.
Keep in mind:
There are not only admins and opers on irc ..
The majority are still the normal users.
Of course I can only talk for me and some of my friends, but we say :
We want them back!
Yours sincerely
Cookie
snail : Susanne Kochwagner Hochholzweg 6 W-8200 Rosenheim
e-mail: Susanne.K...@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE
voice : +49 - 8031 - 87951
"Hoeflichkeit ist die sicherste Form der Verachtung." Heinrich Boell
Anton Hartl
> Now I understand Nickserv had a terrible
>bug,
NO NO NO. This is not a bug of NickServ if someone can call him/herself
NickServ and consequently will receive all messages that are directed
to NickServ including those containing the password.
There is a solution to the problem: the service protocol which is
(respectivley was) incorporated into the server where NickServ was attached to.
As Armin already pointed out: that protocol would already be part of
the 2.6 server version if there hadn't been that silly open-server war
which effectively caused some people stop working on innovations like that.
Many thanks to those who were responsible for that mess.
>*HOPING FOR A MIRACLE*,
Miracle? Well ... REASONABLE operators/server admins are enough, people
who happen to know that every social community has rules that control
what kind of behaviour is tolerated and what kind of behaviour isn't.
Every discussion so far that tried to establish certain policies for
the connection of new servers, rules for the behaviour of operators
and so on has ended up in a debate on what kind of society is better:
anarchy vs. democracie vs. communism vs. whatsoever
That's RIDICULOUS!
No wonder that certain people are getting sick of discussions like that.
We're not going to establish a new society! (If you're interested in topics
like that then get hold of Karl Poppers "The Open Society and its Enemies".)
We just would like to have some reasonable principles for IRC.
(And what would be wrong with some sort of democratic vote of all the
admins/opers on certain topics, e.g. for putting pressure on an unreasonable
admin????)
SIGH, probably I'm just much too pragmatic.
-Ulysses
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Joshua Geller
|>shah...@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Persian Nightmare) writes:
|>> Now I understand Nickserv had a terrible
|>>bug,
|>NO NO NO. This is not a bug of NickServ if someone can call him/herself
|>NickServ and consequently will receive all messages that are directed
|>to NickServ including those containing the password.
I agree. It is not a bug; it is a hole. It wouldn't have even been such a bad
hole if a certain number of severely ignorant humans had not typed their system
password when prompted by NickServ for their password. This most serious
aspect of the hole is easily plugged for all but the terminally braindead
by having a flag on the NickServ password prompt saying something like:
Please type a password. Do not use your system password.
NickServ should not be considered a secure service; nor
should IRC.
|>As Armin already pointed out: that protocol would already be part of
|>the 2.6 server version if there hadn't been that silly open-server war
|>which effectively caused some people stop working on innovations like that.
|>Many thanks to those who were responsible for that mess.
Caused some people to pout and refuse to play until everyone chose to follow
their rules, you mean. !stomp! *pout*
|>We're not going to establish a new society! (If you're interested in topics
|>like that then get hold of Karl Poppers "The Open Society and its Enemies".)
Beg to differ; this is a new society, albeit an embryonic one. A virtual
society linking the world in real time (or close to). It is just the issues
of control versus lack of same that are important.
|>We just would like to have some reasonable principles for IRC.
|>(And what would be wrong with some sort of democratic vote of all the
|>admins/opers on certain topics, e.g. for putting pressure on an unreasonable
|>admin????)
Read some history; democracy has all too often been an instrument used for the
oppression of a dissenting minority by a majority.
|>-Ulysses
josh
Carl v. Loesch
>As Armin already pointed out: that protocol would already be part of
>the 2.6 server version if there hadn't been that silly open-server war
>which effectively caused some people stop working on innovations like that.
>Many thanks to those who were responsible for that mess.
Well I seem to remember that the people *starting* the netsplit were
WiZ by writing a killer program and Armin by correcting the bugs in it
and using it. I might be wrong on this of course, might only be rumours.
And I heard of rumours that the people doing all the mess with eris
on irc.. doing the 'BIFFs' were well known american operators themselves
who were doing it officially to show the insecurity of an irc-net with
open servers (which is true), but the way they did it it looked more like
they were doing it for their personal fun really. And by the way I don't
subscribe at all to the methods of all of the 'conservative' parties
involved, european and american.
So there.
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Anton Hartl
>Beg to differ; this is a new society, albeit an embryonic one. A virtual
>society linking the world in real time (or close to).
That's probably true.
> It is just the issues
>of control versus lack of same that are important.
To me it looks like as if there is a certain need of control and that I'm
not the only one who thinks so.
Or are you happy with operators killing users just for fun, for personal
reasons, sending out arbitrary wallops and the like, admins connecting
their servers more or less arbitrary?
Are we going to have wild west on IRC for all times?
Or perhaps I should better ask: do we want wild west?
>Read some history; democracy has all too often been an instrument used for the
>oppression of a dissenting minority by a majority.
True, but why not start with principles that have proven to work quite well
in a number of countries for quite a time now?
Or do you have a better idea? (In case you think the current situation
needs a correction.)
As I said already: I'm looking for a pragmatic approach to handle situations
that a majority of opers/admins consider as a disturbance of the net.
-Ulysses
Joshua Geller
|>jos...@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
|>>Beg to differ; this is a new society, albeit an embryonic one. A virtual
|>>society linking the world in real time (or close to).
|>That's probably true.
|>> It is just the issues
|>>of control versus lack of same that are important.
|>To me it looks like as if there is a certain need of control and that I'm
|>not the only one who thinks so.
|>Or are you happy with operators killing users just for fun,
I have never sen a operator kill a user 'just for fun'. I have seen
kills done for reasons that I thought might have been insufficient.
I am not in the business of telling people what to do. I have at
times asked folks why they did such and such a kill.
|> for personal
|>reasons,
What, you are saying that opers shouldn't kill each other like for
laughs or something?
|> sending out arbitrary wallops and the like,
I am not sure I will ever understand what the big deal is with
this. True it gets ridiculous at times. But it is also rather
amusing at times. Why must this be such a serious thing (IRC)?
|> admins connecting
|>their servers more or less arbitrary?
I disagree strongly with admins connecting their servers more or less
arbitrarily; that is why I have been involved with routing and backbone
writing etc. I have found that persuasion often works quite well. An
admin who others told me 'never cooperated', 'lied', would 'never do
anything intelligent' I found quite amenable after several reasonable
conversations.
|>Are we going to have wild west on IRC for all times?
|>Or perhaps I should better ask: do we want wild west?
WELL, the 'wild west' was not like hollywood portrays you know; the
crime reate was consistently lower in the western US then in the big
eastern cities in the late 19th century, for one.
|>>Read some history; democracy has all too often been an instrument used for
|>>the oppression of a dissenting minority by a majority.
|>True, but why not start with principles that have proven to work quite well
|>in a number of countries for quite a time now?
|>Or do you have a better idea? (In case you think the current situation
|>needs a correction.)
I have found that talking on an individual level to people that I
want to do something or other often works; it is called persuasion,
Granted it doesn't always work. What do you want? A council? A
legislature? Courts of law? Elected leaders? What sanctions will
be applied to criminals?
|>As I said already: I'm looking for a pragmatic approach to handle situations
|>that a majority of opers/admins consider as a disturbance of the net.
What are your suggestions, on a concrete level?
|>-Ulysses
josh
Darren Reed
>ha...@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Anton Hartl) writes:
>>As Armin already pointed out: that protocol would already be part of
>>the 2.6 server version if there hadn't been that silly open-server war
>>which effectively caused some people stop working on innovations like that.
>>Many thanks to those who were responsible for that mess.
>Well I seem to remember that the people *starting* the netsplit were
>WiZ by writing a killer program and Armin by correcting the bugs in it
>and using it. I might be wrong on this of course, might only be rumours.
>And I heard of rumours that the people doing all the mess with eris
>on irc.. doing the 'BIFFs' were well known american operators themselves
>who were doing it officially to show the insecurity of an irc-net with
>open servers (which is true), but the way they did it it looked more like
>they were doing it for their personal fun really. And by the way I don't
>subscribe at all to the methods of all of the 'conservative' parties
>involved, european and american.
whats your point ? wisner is a hypocrit by running an insecure server
(eris) and at the same time wanting NickServ secure ?
or is it that WiZ/Armin shouldnt have made the fuss they did about
wisner ? You forgot that WiZ complained for quite a while before
realeasing a program (which is still available) that was as disruptive
as it could be.
-avalon
Greg Lindahl
>> Now I understand Nickserv had a terrible
>>bug,
>
>NO NO NO.
Yes, yes, yes. The Nick/Noteserv combo does happen to have a bug which
makes it easy to steal people's passwords. This is not to say that
Armin is a bad guy for writing them; NickServ is very helpful. But if
I were the author of NickServ and it became clear that it had a rather
significant limitation, I'd fix it as well as being annoyed at the
person who was being rude. For example, I spent some time adding in
code to my Wumpus game so that it was difficult to get it to generate
a lot of messages on a channel. Yes, it would be rude for anyone to
make it do that; but I still implemented a software fix so nobody
would be inspired to fuck around with my game.
In message <1991May11.0...@engin.umich.edu>, Meg Geddes
(m...@irie.ais.org) writes:
>Seems to me after all is said and done the easiest 'fix' for the current
>situation and the potential problem of conflicting nicknames is to bring back
>the NickServ and shrug off all the previous stuff as "Shit Happens".
Exactly. Shit happens, and people that you don't like will continue to
use IRC. The solution is to learn how to live together with minimum
warfare ;-)