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Surestore

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Oct 2, 2002, 2:37:06 PM10/2/02
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Ok here I go.... I need help and recommendations on a wireless connection
and hardware between 2 building about 2 miles apart and a somewhat line of
sight (the road curves a little). Can anyone help me with this?

Thanks in advance


Don Widders

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Oct 2, 2002, 2:49:37 PM10/2/02
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"Surestore" <tmar...@schebler.com> wrote in message
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There's no such thing as "somewhat line of sight". Roads curve, microwaves
don't. Without knowing what is obscuring your view, I wouldn't venture a
guess as to whether or not an 802.11x link is possible.

Don W.


Surestore

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Oct 2, 2002, 2:58:45 PM10/2/02
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"Don Widders" <wid...@talkwithoutdifficulty.org> wrote in message
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I guess I should have told you that a couple of tree tops might be in the
way, and I really dont want a connection only in the winter (leaves have
fallen ). Sorry.

Thanks again


David Taylor

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Oct 2, 2002, 3:31:39 PM10/2/02
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> and hardware between 2 building about 2 miles apart and a somewhat line of
> sight (the road curves a little). Can anyone help me with this?

This is sort of like being pregnant or not. You can't be sort of
pregnant!!

Is it line of sight or not?!

:-)

Surestore

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Oct 2, 2002, 4:01:14 PM10/2/02
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"David Taylor" <djta...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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hmmmmm Lets just say no.

;)


bat...@chip.soliddesign.net

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Oct 2, 2002, 4:34:26 PM10/2/02
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I've got no line of site over a small town.

One end is aimed slightly up at the edge of the court house about 100
yards south of its position. It is mounted on a 10' mast on the roof
of an old 2 story building. The other end is aimed at the tops of the
trees about a half mile north of its position. it is mounted on a 5'
mast sitting on the ground. I'm using an Orinoco rg1000 remote
booting linux from the other end and an orinoco ap200 both with 24"
pigtails connected to Andrew 26db mesh dishes. I get a 0-7 "link
quality" on the Linux side:

--
# iwconfig
lo no wireless extensions.

eth0 no wireless extensions.

eth1 IEEE 802.11-DS ESSID:"essid" Nickname:"Base Station"
Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412GHz Sensitivity:1/3
Access Point: XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
Bit Rate:1Mb/s RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
Encryption key:XXXX-XXXX-XX
Power Management:off
Link Quality:0/92 Signal level:-102 dBm Noise level:-97 dBm
Rx invalid nwid:0 invalid crypt:0 invalid misc:102915
--

This connection is good enough for surfing, email and light VNC use.
I plan on putting the antenna mounted on the ground on a 20' mast this
weekend.

Joe

Don Widders

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Oct 2, 2002, 6:12:26 PM10/2/02
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"Surestore" <tmar...@schebler.com> wrote in message
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You can TRY a link using a couple of Linksys WAP11s in bridge mode. You'll
need directional antennas -- the higher the gain, the better your chance of
success. Without knowing what's between the two antennas this could be a
very simple link or an impossible link. If it's really only "a couple of
tree tops", then it's more likely to be simple than impossible.

You'll also need cables to go from the WAP11 to the antenna. These are
available for under $30 each. I recommend keeping the length to a few feet
and mounting the WAP11 at the antenna in a weatherproof enclosure. If power
is not available at that location you can send power to the WAP11 over the
unused pairs in the cat5 cable.

Don W.


David Taylor

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Oct 2, 2002, 6:30:11 PM10/2/02
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> Link Quality:0/92 Signal level:-102 dBm Noise level:-97 dBm

Am I missing something here? The signal is of lower strength than the
noise?!

bat...@chip.soliddesign.net

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Oct 3, 2002, 10:36:36 AM10/3/02
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Sometimes. That's why it's not a very good link. There is a lot of
packet loss, but it is still much, much faster than dial up.

I forgot to mention that this link is about a mile and a half.

It depends on the wind. If I execute the command watch -n 0 iwconfig
2> /dev/null, the Link Quality will range between 0 and 7 (I think
that is the difference between signal and noise) in less than 3
seconds.

I just ran it again and got Link Quality:4/92 Signal level:-93 dBm Noise level:-97 dBm.

My other link is a clear LOS with two 14 Db yagis about 10' off the
ground down an alley for about four blocks getting a constant link
quality of 23.

Joe

K Bloch

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Oct 3, 2002, 4:27:44 PM10/3/02
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Link can be done thru the tree tops. Quality of signal and packet loss
will vary depending on weather etc. If the link is important use good
quality components. This means stay away from Dlink, Linksys, anything
else under about $300 per access point or bridge.

Also use high gain antennas at least 21 dBi gain or better. Higher
gain means more captured signal which reduces packet loss etc.


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David Taylor

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Oct 3, 2002, 7:15:27 PM10/3/02
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> I just ran it again and got Link Quality:4/92 Signal level:-93 dBm Noise level:-97 dBm.

That makes more sense. A signal ABOVE the noise floor, the other one
makes no sense! :-)

David.

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