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Sam Landry

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Oct 3, 2002, 10:07:57 PM10/3/02
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I have a WAP11. Would it be possible to put a directional antenna on 1 of
the antenna jacks to connect to another WAP11 for bridging and leave the
omni on the other to allow users to connect to it locally?

Is this possible?

Any information on this would be great.

Thanks.

Sam

Don Widders

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Oct 3, 2002, 10:20:28 PM10/3/02
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"Sam Landry" <nos...@please.com> wrote in message
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It's possible, but it won't work. Diversity switching is designed to reduce
the problem of 'multipath' reception caused by reflections. It doesn't
switch when you want it to for the application you're suggesting.

Better get another access point.

Don W.


David Taylor

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Oct 4, 2002, 3:38:48 AM10/4/02
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> It's possible, but it won't work. Diversity switching is designed to reduce

Don, can I just add that it does work as this is *exactly* what I do
between one of my buildings. However and I think this is the important
bit, there is only ever one client.

That client is my laptop which is either local and hence diversity
switching will pick the nearby omni antenna (I guess) or when I'm at the
far end, the directional can on the window.

I assume that the problems will start once multiple clients start trying
to connect at the same time.

David.

David Taylor

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Oct 4, 2002, 3:40:49 AM10/4/02
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> > the antenna jacks to connect to another WAP11 for bridging and leave the
> > omni on the other to allow users to connect to it locally?

Reading it again, my usage is slightly different as I'm a client of the
AP, the AP is not used for bridging and that's the key here. The WAP11
won't do bridging and local AP at the same time. However, he could try
another WAP11 in AP client mode at the other end.

There's also that solar powered WAP11 that can be found on a google
search that is used as a repeater with two patch antennas pointing
different directions. Don't know how well it works, they claim rather
well.

David.

John Roland Elliott

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Oct 4, 2002, 6:28:10 AM10/4/02
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If you configure one WAP11 as an AP and the other as an AP Client, the pair
will bridge but the AP side will still allow client connections.

I remain skeptical about the two differently-aimed antennae, your
experiences (and reputation) notwithstanding. I guess the origin of the idea
that it *won't* work could be the AP vendors and their motives can be
brought into question. Not only do they want to sell more APs, but also they
want to reduce their support calls.

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David Taylor

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Oct 4, 2002, 10:20:00 AM10/4/02
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> I remain skeptical about the two differently-aimed antennae, your
> experiences (and reputation) notwithstanding. I guess the origin of the idea

Agreed, as I say, in my use, I *know* that I'm either going to connect
to the local or directional antenna because I'm the only client. :-)

David.

IVAN KORSHUN

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Oct 4, 2002, 11:16:46 AM10/4/02
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Don,
If firmware 1.4j1 it work.
I tested it.


-Ivan
P.S.
MIB for firmware 1.4j1:
--------------------------
bridgeOperationalMode OBJECT-TYPE
SYNTAX INTEGER {WBPoint2Multipoint(1), AP(2), APclient(3),
WBPoint2Point(4), Repeater(5)}
ACCESS read-write
STATUS mandatory
DESCRIPTION
"The Operational Mode of Bridge. Access Point, Access Point client,
Wireless Bridge Point to Point,
Wireless Bridge Point to MultiPoint, Repeater."
--------------------------
However I not test a mode Repeater.
There can be who ?

Don Widders

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Oct 4, 2002, 11:44:16 AM10/4/02
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"David Taylor" <djta...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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David, you identified the key to YOUR success in the preceding message.
Even with the WAP set up as an AP, the diversity switching doesn't occur
often enough to keep from losing messages from one or the other. If there
is a local client, the remote client will not be heard.

Different access points may implement diversity differently, so this may
work better with some than with others.

Don W.


Don Widders

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Oct 4, 2002, 11:57:58 AM10/4/02
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Ivan, the access point is always going to try and stay switched to the
antenna of greater signal strength, so it's very likely that only one set of
clients will have access at a time. In some access point/firmware
combinations the switching isn't done very often. In your testing, did you
have clients associated on both antennas at the same time?

Don W.

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Leonid Rosenboim

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Oct 4, 2002, 3:36:39 PM10/4/02
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I have not test this specific functionality, but I am somewhat surprised
by your line of arguments:

In any typical WLAN, clients are distributted randomly accross
toe covered area. The AP uses switched 2-way diversity to fend "d
against multipath. Dead spots resulting from multipath will be
quite different for different clients. Hence there is only one
sensible functional description (mentioned in many AP specs):

The AP shall record which antanna receives the best signal
from any particular client, and will use that antenna when
sending data or expecting to receive from that client.
Broadcast, beacons and reception of unsolicitted
packets should use both antennae in a round-robin fasion.

Please feel free to correct me, is there any other way this
could be defined ?

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Don Widders

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Oct 4, 2002, 8:54:44 PM10/4/02
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Diversity SHOULD work as you describe. My comments were based not on
personal experience (I've never tried a directional antenna on one side with
the standard omni on the other), but on other posts in this group. There's
always the possibility when one repeats the comments of others that one is
repeating an untruth and that may be the case here.

Maybe one of those persons I'm repeating has had negative experience with
this and will post a response. Otherwise I'm happy to stand corrected and
also happy to know someone credible has had good luck with this
configuration.

Don W.

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IVAN KORSHUN

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Oct 9, 2002, 4:51:00 AM10/9/02
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Don,
If to use PC_card or AP_client
without preferred BSS it works.
If with preferred BSS it not work.
Problem,
after power_ON AP sends broadcast only on left antenna.

-Ivan


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Michael Erskine

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Oct 9, 2002, 9:11:01 PM10/9/02
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2_i...@mail.ru (IVAN KORSHUN) wrote in message

Ivan;

Thanks... good info.

-m-

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