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Logician

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May 9, 2007, 10:33:17 AM5/9/07
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I am advised by a Web expert that buying old names is the only way to
get good rankings in google. I want to start a new website and the
advise I have been given is that a new name will not be listed in any
productive manner for a year.

I googled the matter and people have different views on the Sandbox.
Some people say when whois changes the Sandbox takes the name and you
lose all rankings for a year. Others say the whois data is ignored by
google.

I read about one expert who bought sites and left all the old pages to
get the old links and then just added the new pages (which were not
related to the old ones)!

Does anyone here have any links to informed sources on this subject?

Ignoramus8836

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May 9, 2007, 10:49:08 AM5/9/07
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On 9 May 2007 07:33:17 -0700, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
> I am advised by a Web expert that buying old names is the only way to
> get good rankings in google.

You can also buy links.

> I want to start a new website and the advise I have been given is
> that a new name will not be listed in any productive manner for a
> year.

Totally wrong.

> I googled the matter and people have different views on the Sandbox.
> Some people say when whois changes the Sandbox takes the name and you
> lose all rankings for a year. Others say the whois data is ignored by
> google.
>
> I read about one expert who bought sites and left all the old pages to
> get the old links and then just added the new pages (which were not
> related to the old ones)!
>
> Does anyone here have any links to informed sources on this subject?
>

It is false that new sites do not get indexed, they do.

i

Denise

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May 9, 2007, 11:08:02 AM5/9/07
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"Logician" <sa...@logicians.com> wrote in message
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>I am advised by a Web expert that buying old names is the only way to
> get good rankings in google. I want to start a new website and the
> advise I have been given is that a new name will not be listed in any
> productive manner for a year.

It's not true. I consistently get 1st-page rankings with new sites, with
newly-bought domain names.

While Google does seem to assign some weight to older domain names, I've
never found it to be a significant factor in achieving good rankings.

> I googled the matter and people have different views on the Sandbox.
> Some people say when whois changes the Sandbox takes the name and you
> lose all rankings for a year. Others say the whois data is ignored by
> google.

The sandbox doesn't affect all sites. (It has rarely affected sites I've
built; they usually start ranking quickly for relevant search terms.)

I've never found the sandbox to take effect when the whois changes, either.
Hoever, when a domain completely expires, the PR is indeed reset to 0 and
one must start from scratch.

> I read about one expert who bought sites and left all the old pages to
> get the old links and then just added the new pages (which were not
> related to the old ones)!
>
> Does anyone here have any links to informed sources on this subject?
>

I don't have any links, just my own experience (I'm a webdesigner who
regularly launches new sites for clients & also for myself, since 2000).

My advice would be to get a relevant domain name (whether new or old) and
set about creating a useful site with a healthy amount of original content
which will attract folks to your site.

And, of course, cover all the usual SEO bases (titles, headings, intelligent
internal linking scheme, some good solid - and ever-increasing, but not too
fast! - incoming links, well-written text with one topic to a page, etc.)
and you will be fine.

best,
Denise


Logician

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May 9, 2007, 12:54:40 PM5/9/07
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On May 9, 3:49 pm, Ignoramus8836 <ignoramus8...@NOSPAM.8836.invalid>
wrote:

> On 9 May 2007 07:33:17 -0700, Logician <s...@logicians.com> wrote:
>
> > I am advised by a Web expert that buying old names is the only way to
> > get good rankings in google.
>
> You can also buy links.
>
> > I want to start a new website and the advise I have been given is
> > that a new name will not be listed in any productive manner for a
> > year.
>
> Totally wrong.

I am not, and do not claim to be, and SEO in any sense. So I have just
relayed info given by a man who is an expert (50 pounds an hour anyway
- sounds enough to me) and he was recommended by another expert (70
pounds an hour).

Anyway I want to start a new site and he told me to use sedo.com and
buy an old name with years in whois and then I would stand more chance
of getting indexed in google with favour.

One link singing the virtues of buying old sites:
http://www.jimboykin.com/screw-the-sandbox-buy-and-old-site/ so I
guess there's something to it. But it means I cannot choose my own
name, but will end up something like my...com.

Is myspace.com taken?

Big Bill

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May 9, 2007, 6:35:18 PM5/9/07
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On 9 May 2007 07:33:17 -0700, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:

>I am advised by a Web expert that buying old names is the only way to
>get good rankings in google.

Be advised by me; no it isn't.

> I want to start a new website and the
>advise I have been given is that a new name will not be listed in any
>productive manner for a year.

Might be, might not. Depends on how you go about it.

>I googled the matter and people have different views on the Sandbox.
>Some people say when whois changes the Sandbox takes the name and you
>lose all rankings for a year. Others say the whois data is ignored by
>google.

>I read about one expert who bought sites and left all the old pages to
>get the old links and then just added the new pages (which were not
>related to the old ones)!
>
>Does anyone here have any links to informed sources on this subject?

There aren't really any as the environment is volatile. Best budget on
the side of caution. That's a failing I regularly see with clients,
they don't budget for the long haul.

BB
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http://www.kruse.co.uk/google-mountain.htm
http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-tips.htm

Big Bill

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May 9, 2007, 6:35:19 PM5/9/07
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On 9 May 2007 09:54:40 -0700, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:

>On May 9, 3:49 pm, Ignoramus8836 <ignoramus8...@NOSPAM.8836.invalid>
>wrote:
>> On 9 May 2007 07:33:17 -0700, Logician <s...@logicians.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I am advised by a Web expert that buying old names is the only way to
>> > get good rankings in google.
>>
>> You can also buy links.
>>
>> > I want to start a new website and the advise I have been given is
>> > that a new name will not be listed in any productive manner for a
>> > year.
>>
>> Totally wrong.
>
>I am not, and do not claim to be, and SEO in any sense. So I have just
>relayed info given by a man who is an expert (50 pounds an hour anyway
>- sounds enough to me) and he was recommended by another expert (70
>pounds an hour).

Both expert at separating you from your money and apparently not much
else.

>Anyway I want to start a new site and he told me to use sedo.com and
>buy an old name with years in whois and then I would stand more chance
>of getting indexed in google with favour.

It could work out that way, true. Also it may not. So plan for that
when you budget.

>One link singing the virtues of buying old sites:
>http://www.jimboykin.com/screw-the-sandbox-buy-and-old-site/ so I
>guess there's something to it. But it means I cannot choose my own
>name, but will end up something like my...com.
>
>Is myspace.com taken?
>

You jest?

Big Bill

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May 9, 2007, 6:35:19 PM5/9/07
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On Wed, 09 May 2007 15:08:02 GMT, "Denise" <dio...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Where do you get your links from?

Ignoramus7204

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May 10, 2007, 12:11:17 PM5/10/07
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On 9 May 2007 09:54:40 -0700, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
> On May 9, 3:49 pm, Ignoramus8836 <ignoramus8...@NOSPAM.8836.invalid>
> wrote:
>> On 9 May 2007 07:33:17 -0700, Logician <s...@logicians.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I am advised by a Web expert that buying old names is the only way to
>> > get good rankings in google.
>>
>> You can also buy links.
>>
>> > I want to start a new website and the advise I have been given is
>> > that a new name will not be listed in any productive manner for a
>> > year.
>>
>> Totally wrong.
>
> I am not, and do not claim to be, and SEO in any sense. So I have just
> relayed info given by a man who is an expert (50 pounds an hour anyway
> - sounds enough to me) and he was recommended by another expert (70
> pounds an hour).

That only shows that he is able to get others to pay him good, but
modest money, not that he is an expert.

> Anyway I want to start a new site and he told me to use sedo.com and
> buy an old name with years in whois and then I would stand more chance
> of getting indexed in google with favour.

If you get quality links, you will get indexed anyway.

> One link singing the virtues of buying old sites:
> http://www.jimboykin.com/screw-the-sandbox-buy-and-old-site/ so I
> guess there's something to it. But it means I cannot choose my own
> name, but will end up something like my...com.

There is nothing wrong with buying names, all I am saying is that it
is not the only option.

i

Logician

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May 10, 2007, 12:38:10 PM5/10/07
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On May 10, 5:11 pm, Ignoramus7204 <ignoramus7...@NOSPAM.7204.invalid>
wrote:

> On 9 May 2007 09:54:40 -0700, Logician <s...@logicians.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 9, 3:49 pm, Ignoramus8836 <ignoramus8...@NOSPAM.8836.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >> On 9 May 2007 07:33:17 -0700, Logician <s...@logicians.com> wrote:
>
> >> > I am advised by a Web expert that buying old names is the only way to
> >> > get good rankings in google.
>
> >> You can also buy links.
>
> >> > I want to start a new website and the advise I have been given is
> >> > that a new name will not be listed in any productive manner for a
> >> > year.
>
> >> Totally wrong.
>
> > I am not, and do not claim to be, and SEO in any sense. So I have just
> > relayed info given by a man who is an expert (50 pounds an hour anyway
> > - sounds enough to me) and he was recommended by another expert (70
> > pounds an hour).
>
> That only shows that he is able to get others to pay him good, but
> modest money, not that he is an expert.
>
> > Anyway I want to start a new site and he told me to use sedo.com and
> > buy an old name with years in whois and then I would stand more chance
> > of getting indexed in google with favour.
>
> If you get quality links, you will get indexed anyway.
>
> > One link singing the virtues of buying old sites:
> >http://www.jimboykin.com/screw-the-sandbox-buy-and-old-site/so I

> > guess there's something to it. But it means I cannot choose my own
> > name, but will end up something like my...com.
>
> There is nothing wrong with buying names, all I am saying is that it
> is not the only option.
>

FYI the advisors were recommended by Business Link and they are all
networked into Essex Chamber of Commerce.
Their feeds were very reasonable. When I tried using google to get SEO
quotes the cheapest I had was £10K. One sales guy said: "Really! ....
10K is the minimum!"

Excuse me while I convert my T bonds.

> i
>
>
>
> > Is myspace.com taken?
>
> >> > I googled the matter and people have different views on the Sandbox.
> >> > Some people say when whois changes the Sandbox takes the name and you
> >> > lose all rankings for a year. Others say the whois data is ignored by
> >> > google.
>
> >> > I read about one expert who bought sites and left all the old pages to
> >> > get the old links and then just added the new pages (which were not
> >> > related to the old ones)!
>
> >> > Does anyone here have any links to informed sources on this subject?
>
> >> It is false that new sites do not get indexed, they do.
>

> >> i- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Ignoramus7204

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May 10, 2007, 1:00:44 PM5/10/07
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I personally would not hire that expert, partially because I am
already #1 for my keyword that I care about (algebra), but partially
because his is giving wrong advice. I am , however, impressed with the
recommendations.

I would suggest doing SEO yourself.

i

Big Bill

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May 10, 2007, 1:42:46 PM5/10/07
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On 10 May 2007 09:38:10 -0700, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:

So what?

>Their feeds were very reasonable. When I tried using google to get SEO
>quotes the cheapest I had was £10K. One sales guy said: "Really! ....
>10K is the minimum!"

He may have been correct. If he has to keep up with buying enough
links to make them prominent for some search terms in Google, then I
can believe he needs to charge a lot. A fee can be an indication of
overheads, not ability.

>Excuse me while I convert my T bonds.

Off you go then.

Big Bill

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May 10, 2007, 1:42:19 PM5/10/07
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I wouldn't. Sorry Iggy but I know Logician better than you, he
wouldn't take to it.

Ignoramus7204

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May 10, 2007, 2:06:47 PM5/10/07
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Hiring a "SEO expert" while having little clue about SEO, is fraught
with mortal dangers.

i

Denise

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May 10, 2007, 3:28:15 PM5/10/07
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"Big Bill" <bi...@kruse.co.uk> wrote in message
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My page tend to attract links from other sites; many of those sites tend to
be on topics similar to mine. Though my sites sell something, they are also
largely informational, with the articles outnumbering the selling pages. We
offer informational topics not found elsewhere; all our content is
exclusive.

I rarely participate in link exchanges; when I do they are always with sites
relating to ours, usually sites with which I'm already acquainted.

I also own other websites on copacetic topics & link from those as well, to
& from appropriate pages.

And, my clients & colleagues link to me as well.

And, some links from high-quality directories, including niche directories
relating to my site.
(I maintain a list of directories that perform well & update it often - as a
matter of fact I'm in the midst of a major update now).

This strategy works well for me. My pages rank well in the SERPs for our
major keyphrases, and new sites (mine & my clients) have always gotten at
least a PR3 - and most often a PR4 or 5, right out of the chute. So I guess
I must be doing something right I guess! :-)

cheers ~
Denise


Denise

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May 10, 2007, 3:32:23 PM5/10/07
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"Denise" <dio...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Eek...please forgive the spelling & poor sentence structure! Hit "send" too
fast ~~~

cheers ~
Denise


Big Bill

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May 11, 2007, 12:58:48 AM5/11/07
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 19:32:23 GMT, "Denise" <dio...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Yeah, I was going right off you... :-)

Big Bill

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May 11, 2007, 12:58:47 AM5/11/07
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 13:06:47 -0500, Ignoramus7204
<ignora...@NOSPAM.7204.invalid> wrote:

I've already given him advice. Still he comes here. What can you do?

Logician

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May 11, 2007, 2:18:29 AM5/11/07
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On May 10, 5:11 pm, Ignoramus7204 <ignoramus7...@NOSPAM.7204.invalid>
wrote:

> On 9 May 2007 09:54:40 -0700, Logician <s...@logicians.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 9, 3:49 pm, Ignoramus8836 <ignoramus8...@NOSPAM.8836.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >> On 9 May 2007 07:33:17 -0700, Logician <s...@logicians.com> wrote:
>
> >> > I am advised by a Web expert that buying old names is the only way to
> >> > get good rankings in google.
>
> >> You can also buy links.
>
> >> > I want to start a new website and the advise I have been given is
> >> > that a new name will not be listed in any productive manner for a
> >> > year.
>
> >> Totally wrong.
>
> > I am not, and do not claim to be, and SEO in any sense. So I have just
> > relayed info given by a man who is an expert (50 pounds an hour anyway
> > - sounds enough to me) and he was recommended by another expert (70
> > pounds an hour).
>
> That only shows that he is able to get others to pay him good, but
> modest money, not that he is an expert.
>
> > Anyway I want to start a new site and he told me to use sedo.com and
> > buy an old name with years in whois and then I would stand more chance
> > of getting indexed in google with favour.
>
> If you get quality links, you will get indexed anyway.
>
> > One link singing the virtues of buying old sites:
> >http://www.jimboykin.com/screw-the-sandbox-buy-and-old-site/so I

> > guess there's something to it. But it means I cannot choose my own
> > name, but will end up something like my...com.
>
> There is nothing wrong with buying names, all I am saying is that it
> is not the only option.
>
> i
>
>
>
> > Is myspace.com taken?
>
> >> > I googled the matter and people have different views on the Sandbox.
> >> > Some people say when whois changes the Sandbox takes the name and you
> >> > lose all rankings for a year. Others say the whois data is ignored by
> >> > google.
>
> >> > I read about one expert who bought sites and left all the old pages to
> >> > get the old links and then just added the new pages (which were not
> >> > related to the old ones)!
>
> >> > Does anyone here have any links to informed sources on this subject?
>
> >> It is false that new sites do not get indexed, they do.
>
> >> i- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So I took your advice in this NG and started a new domain name called
whatbathrooms.co.uk! It will list products and ask for reviews from
end users. The basic business model is then to attract advertisers
since that seems to be the only business model working on the
Internet.

I already much of the software. I have been selling bathrooms online
for 4 years, so I know a fair amount and since almost all the goods
are imported from China (no surprise there), there is a flood of cheap
stuff which need reviews - really. I can tell your stories of people
saving pennies and losing pounds by buying bad stuff imported from
China. There are about 500,000 products in the current market and it
is growing. The bathroom market is complicated - it is not a box
shifting market. You have to know a lot about fittings, water
pressure, materials, designs, styles, compatibility and quality
factors.

So anyone what to help with what you best - promotion? I am not IBM so
I do not have a stock pile of dollar bills, and under my bed there is
just some dust and an odd spider!

Ignoramus6365

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May 11, 2007, 11:19:23 AM5/11/07
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On 10 May 2007 23:18:29 -0700, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
> So I took your advice in this NG and started a new domain name called
> whatbathrooms.co.uk! It will list products and ask for reviews from
> end users. The basic business model is then to attract advertisers
> since that seems to be the only business model working on the
> Internet.

It does not work.

> I already much of the software. I have been selling bathrooms online
> for 4 years, so I know a fair amount and since almost all the goods
> are imported from China (no surprise there), there is a flood of cheap
> stuff which need reviews - really. I can tell your stories of people
> saving pennies and losing pounds by buying bad stuff imported from
> China. There are about 500,000 products in the current market and it
> is growing. The bathroom market is complicated - it is not a box
> shifting market. You have to know a lot about fittings, water
> pressure, materials, designs, styles, compatibility and quality
> factors.
>
> So anyone what to help with what you best - promotion? I am not IBM so
> I do not have a stock pile of dollar bills, and under my bed there is
> just some dust and an odd spider!

Write some content, make sure that your site works, and find some
people whom you can pay for pagerank 6 or 7 links. It should be about
$6/mo for a PR6 link. Maybe a little more if you are not bulk buying.

Be a bona fide participant in a few bathroom forums and do writeups on
your website related to questions asked on those forums. E.g. in
response to a question "how to clean mold in my bathroom" you would do
a writeup about that on your site, and mention it or provide some
excerpts on the original forum.

i


Logician

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May 11, 2007, 12:20:14 PM5/11/07
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On May 11, 4:19 pm, Ignoramus6365 <ignoramus6...@NOSPAM.6365.invalid>
wrote:

> On 10 May 2007 23:18:29 -0700, Logician <s...@logicians.com> wrote:
>
> > So I took your advice in this NG and started a new domain name called
> > whatbathrooms.co.uk! It will list products and ask for reviews from
> > end users. The basic business model is then to attract advertisers
> > since that seems to be the only business model working on the
> > Internet.
>
> It does not work.

I hear that advertising is the only growth business model now. Look at
google's revenues from advertising!

>
> > I already much of the software. I have been selling bathrooms online
> > for 4 years, so I know a fair amount and since almost all the goods
> > are imported from China (no surprise there), there is a flood of cheap
> > stuff which need reviews - really. I can tell your stories of people
> > saving pennies and losing pounds by buying bad stuff imported from
> > China. There are about 500,000 products in the current market and it
> > is growing. The bathroom market is complicated - it is not a box
> > shifting market. You have to know a lot about fittings, water
> > pressure, materials, designs, styles, compatibility and quality
> > factors.
>
> > So anyone what to help with what you best - promotion? I am not IBM so
> > I do not have a stock pile of dollar bills, and under my bed there is
> > just some dust and an odd spider!
>
> Write some content, make sure that your site works, and find some
> people whom you can pay for pagerank 6 or 7 links. It should be about
> $6/mo for a PR6 link. Maybe a little more if you are not bulk buying.
>
> Be a bona fide participant in a few bathroom forums and do writeups on
> your website related to questions asked on those forums. E.g. in
> response to a question "how to clean mold in my bathroom" you would do
> a writeup about that on your site, and mention it or provide some
> excerpts on the original forum.
>
> i

It sounds like you have not fitted a new bathroom lately! Your example
would have been relevant 10 years ago, but now the market is much
larger. A more real question would be: "Are the budget Chinese steam
rooms OK, or Do I really need a thermostatic valve, why are 3.5 mm
baths needed .... "

Cleanly mold from a bath is not the enquiry. The market is big and
luxury driven. People are buying complex systems including infra red,
steam, whirlpools, designer baths, stone basins, mirrored cabinets,
walk in enclosures, body jets, flashing lights under the water,
drenching shower heads. My average customer has 2 bathrooms and many
have 5 bathrooms. One man had 8 bathrooms. He had one for each of his
children, a guest one, one for him, a family one, and another one in
case the family grew.

The UK has a rich-poor divide. I sell luxury stuff. The budget guys
catch the bus to B&Q and pick up a suite for 99 pounds.

Denise

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May 11, 2007, 1:13:12 PM5/11/07
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"Logician" <sa...@logicians.com> wrote in message
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I think you are missing the point. The suggestion was to write an article
about the specific topic "how to clean mold in my bathroom," it was to write
articles for your website that are about things people want to know. And it
was the right suggestion ~

So, go ahead and write the articles about budget Chinese steam rooms,
thermostatic valves, etc. if that is what your target market wants to know.


Ignoramus6365

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May 11, 2007, 1:37:47 PM5/11/07
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On 11 May 2007 09:20:14 -0700, Logician <sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
> On May 11, 4:19 pm, Ignoramus6365 <ignoramus6...@NOSPAM.6365.invalid>
> wrote:
>> On 10 May 2007 23:18:29 -0700, Logician <s...@logicians.com> wrote:
>>
>> > So I took your advice in this NG and started a new domain name called
>> > whatbathrooms.co.uk! It will list products and ask for reviews from
>> > end users. The basic business model is then to attract advertisers
>> > since that seems to be the only business model working on the
>> > Internet.
>>
>> It does not work.
>
> I hear that advertising is the only growth business model now. Look at
> google's revenues from advertising!

I mean, your WEBSITE does not work.

So, can you make writeups about that?

> Cleanly mold from a bath is not the enquiry. The market is big and
> luxury driven. People are buying complex systems including infra red,
> steam, whirlpools, designer baths, stone basins, mirrored cabinets,
> walk in enclosures, body jets, flashing lights under the water,
> drenching shower heads. My average customer has 2 bathrooms and many
> have 5 bathrooms. One man had 8 bathrooms. He had one for each of his
> children, a guest one, one for him, a family one, and another one in
> case the family grew.

I have 5 bathrooms in my house myself.

i

Denise

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May 11, 2007, 1:59:18 PM5/11/07
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"Denise" <dio...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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oops, what i meant was "the suggestion was NOT to write an article about the
specific topic..."

what I get for posting before I've had my morning caffeine jolt...

catherine yronwode

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May 12, 2007, 10:51:44 AM5/12/07
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> > I wouldn't. Sorry Iggy but I know Logician better than you, he


> > wouldn't take to it.
>
> Hiring a "SEO expert" while having little clue about SEO, is fraught
> with mortal dangers.

I kind of agree with both of you. Ignoramus, my husband and i are
clients of your stump moderation program, and i greatly admire your work
for algebra and for the web in general. Big Bill, i love you lots too,
and you have always been a help to me in my playing of the "google game"
for serps.

So i am just speaking from experience, here, and that is my own
experiecne.

First, having a long-time presence on the web does help ranking. But i
have introduced new domains and had them indexed within 4 days,
actually, by linking them to one of my extant sites, with simple
descritive anchor text -- no tricks, no black hat, nothing oddball.

Second, if the keywords your have chosen trun up a lot of amazon,
wikipedia, answers.com, and other "big box" high page rank pages BEFORE
you start your new site, you will have to be aware that just like in a
game of Parcheesi, those sites are ahead of you on the track and you
will find them to be major roadblocks to your advancement into the top
10.

Third, speaking from my own experience, if the keywords your new domain
is set for are rare enough (less that 1,000,000 competing pages) i can
get the site into the top 200 in less than a month and into the top 10
in two to four months. But if the keywords are more competitive
(3,000,000 or more) my new site may crack the top 200 in less than a
month but can take six months to a year to get it into the top 10. At
competition levels of 8,000,000 or more, a year of constant tweaking of
the site and building new inbound links is a likely waiting period to
make the top 10.

But remember, in starting a new business, a year is a reasonable amount
of time to wait for optimal results, and if you do the work yourself,
you will not be out of pocket for major expenses.

In sum, an old domain name is only worth at best a few months' leg up.
You will have to figure if that amount of time is worth $500.00 or
$50,000 to you. Because ultimately, what's at issue is not whether your
domain name is new or not, or whether you can provide the site with good
inbound links or not -- the limiting factor determining the speed and
ease with which you can make the top 10 rank is how many competing sites
will be found for the keywords of your choice.

Just my two cents.

cat yronwode
http://www.herb-magic.com Magic Herbs for Herbal Magick

Denise

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May 12, 2007, 1:27:39 PM5/12/07
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Very, very well put, Cat. My experiences have been similar to yours ~

cheers ~
Denise


Big Bill

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On Sat, 12 May 2007 17:27:39 GMT, "Denise" <dio...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

You love me lots too then?

BB :-)

Logician

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On May 11, 6:37 pm, Ignoramus6365 <ignoramus6...@NOSPAM.6365.invalid>
wrote:

> On 11 May 2007 09:20:14 -0700, Logician <s...@logicians.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 11, 4:19 pm, Ignoramus6365 <ignoramus6...@NOSPAM.6365.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >> On 10 May 2007 23:18:29 -0700, Logician <s...@logicians.com> wrote:
>
> >> > So I took your advice in this NG and started a new domain name called
> >> > whatbathrooms.co.uk! It will list products and ask for reviews from
> >> > end users. The basic business model is then to attract advertisers
> >> > since that seems to be the only business model working on the
> >> > Internet.
>
> >> It does not work.
>
> > I hear that advertising is the only growth business model now. Look at
> > google's revenues from advertising!
>
> I mean, your WEBSITE does not work.
>

It does not even exist yet. It is just an idea. I registered the name
and that is all. It that clearer now?

That puts you in the top half, then. Maybe all SEO's have 5 bathrooms.
They could name them the 5 bathroom crowd.

Denise

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I can't hide it any longer, Bill....

Denise


Lo...@aol.com

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I cant really see buying a name unless its really cheap or it is
the search word in the name. You sell sofas and its sofas.com.

http://robotweek.com

Paul B

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On Mon, 14 May 2007 14:47:14 -0400, "Lo...@aol.com" <Lo...@aol.com>
wrote:

>I cant really see buying a name unless its really cheap or it is
>the search word in the name. You sell sofas and its sofas.com.
>
>http://robotweek.com

Hi
You may want to correct the typo you have on your site...
"People Love There Home Robots"

Should be "their"
plh
Paul
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I have now changed my mind and I am considering sayworth.co.uk. The
name is derived from seaworthy and sayworth means worth saying. Since
my site is about reviews, I think the name is good. I found the other
names too long.

What do you think of sayworth?

airhostess

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On May 9, 7:33 am, Logician <s...@logicians.com> wrote:
> I am advised by a Web expert that buying old names is the only way to
> get good rankings in google. I want to start a new website and the

> advise I have been given is that a new name will not be listed in any
> productive manner for a year.
>
> I googled the matter and people have different views on the Sandbox.
> Some people say when whois changes the Sandbox takes the name and you
> lose all rankings for a year. Others say the whois data is ignored by
> google.
>
> I read about one expert who bought sites and left all the old pages to
> get the old links and then just added the new pages (which were not
> related to the old ones)!
>
> Does anyone here have any links to informed sources on this subject?

Yes of course, i have my own experience, let me tell you it has
nothing to do with who is data, i feel, since i have a website domain
registered in december, content uploaded in february first week,
optimised in february last week, started showing up in serps (3rd
page) in March 2nd week, on first page since april 1st week.
You can see the time schedule, it of course depends a lot on the
competition also, but that is not a major issue
http://www.flightattendanttrainingonline.com (well this is not that
website, this is a fresh new one registered last weekend-i will keep
posting its progress here)

Logician

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On May 10, 6:00 pm, Ignoramus7204 <ignoramus7...@NOSPAM.7204.invalid>
wrote:
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I now started the website and added some forums and some advice
information:
see http://www.sayworth.co.uk/forums/ (software from a third party)
and http://www.sayworth.co.uk/advice.html - first page
I decided on sayworth as a name as the long names get on my nerves.

I will try and promote it and use google ad words as an income. Is
that effective as revenue stream?

I have seen over the 4 years I have sold online (bathrooms) that users
need some guidance to understand issues like price fixing, deliveries,
imports from China, ceramic disks, thermostatic control, and many
other issues. So a market exists for the infornation.

I intend it to be an information website and not a complaints website,
but people can write about bad experiences. There are already of lot
of complaints websites.

Logician

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On May 9, 3:49 pm, Ignoramus8836 <ignoramus8...@NOSPAM.8836.invalid>
wrote:
> On 9 May 2007 07:33:17 -0700, Logician <s...@logicians.com> wrote:
>
> > I am advised by a Web expert that buying old names is the only way to
> > get good rankings in google.
>
> You can also buy links.
>
> > I want to start a new website and the advise I have been given is
> > that a new name will not be listed in any productive manner for a
> > year.
>
> Totally wrong.
>
> > I googled the matter and people have different views on the Sandbox.
> > Some people say when whois changes the Sandbox takes the name and you
> > lose all rankings for a year. Others say the whois data is ignored by
> > google.
>
> > I read about one expert who bought sites and left all the old pages to
> > get the old links and then just added the new pages (which were not
> > related to the old ones)!
>
> > Does anyone here have any links to informed sources on this subject?
>
> It is false that new sites do not get indexed, they do.
>
> i

I took your advice and posted several replies in uk-diy, telling
people how to fix boilers.

I just paid a plumber 500 pounds for 3 hours work and he messed up the
boiler! Plumbers earn big money now days. The Poles are flooding the
market and they work for 50 a day!

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