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Dem
not resolve themselves. For the moment the general consensus is to sit
tight, although I do not subscribe to this view, as it is obvious that what
is happening is not a glitch but part of a planned campaign to force
ecommerce site to purchase Adwords from Google.
There is currently a bug in the google search. This bug turns off the new
commercial filter that has been applied to thousands of competitive
keywords.
Note: three word keywords require an extra -googlegoo !
SEARCH: keyword1 keyword2 keyword3 -googlegoo -googlegoo
FINDING NON-FILTERED TWO WORD KEYWORDS:
Search with Google:
Keyword1 keyword2
Observe the results. Now search the following:
keyword1 keyword2 -googlegoo(oranynonsense)
i.e., tanning beds -googlegoo
The unfiltered results emerge and you will see a difference between these
and the normal google search for the same keywords. When you see a
difference between these two results then the key words you selected ARE
FILTERED.
So far no one has figured how to get ANY ranking for FILTERED KEYWORDS.
If the keywords are not filtered THEN THE RESULTS FROM -GOOGLEGOO SEARCH AND
NORMAL SEARCH ARE IDENTICAL.
These non-filtered keywords allow someone to optimize their site in the
traditional manner to get high ranking for them. These words are usually of
a more specific nature than generalized search terms people are used to.
This may not bring back all the traffic lost as a result of this new Algo.
but it will help to bring some of it back. FIND THOSE NON-FILTERED KEYWORDS
BEFORE GOOGLE CLOSES UP THIS HOLE...
Good Luck
SEO Dave
>So far no one has figured how to get ANY ranking for FILTERED KEYWORDS.
>
Speak for yourself my sites have never done better.
>If the keywords are not filtered THEN THE RESULTS FROM -GOOGLEGOO SEARCH AND
>NORMAL SEARCH ARE IDENTICAL.
I'm getting around 6500 unique visitors a day (up from 5000) just for
my lingerie site in a competitive e-commerce sector.
Search for keywords related to my site www.adultlingerieuk.com and it
will probably be top 20 this month for most of them.
The Lingerie SERP moved from around 15th to 6th this month (currently
tenth due to freshbot listings). I expect it to stay in the top 10
this month, moving up and down as the freshbot listing change (as you
get every month). This assumes Google doesn't do a u-turn on it's
current algo.
The Lingerie and Lingerie -bunchofcrap searches are different,
The mini site in the sig has also improved significantly this month.
Have loads of SEO related top 10 SERPs this month.
i.e here's some of the top 3 serps (all are 1st, 2nd or 3rd).
Activity In Search Engine Optimization
Atlanta Search Engine Optimization
Cheap Search Engine Optimization
dallas firm seo
Dallas Search Engine Optimization
dallas seo services
dallas seo services texas
dallas seo texas
effective seo placement
Engine Hk Optimization Search
Engine Omaha Optimization Search
Engine Optimization Search Specalist
Florida Search Engine Optimization
guaranteed search engine optimisation
Houston Search Engine Optimization
Manage Search Engine Optimization
Premium Search Engine Optimization
proven seo positioning
search engine optimisation firm
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search engine optimisation specialist
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Search Engine Optimization Activity
Search Engine Optimization Advantage
Search Engine Optimization Agency
Search Engine Optimization Certification
Search Engine Optimization Tampa
Search Engine Optimization Vancouver
seo advertising hit
seo advertising placement
seo advertising positioning
seo business placement
seo directory placement
seo directory positioning
seo help
seo internet placement
seo internet positioning
seo singapore
seo web placement
Singapore Search Engine Optimization
Some are obscure, but all of them are reported to produce traffic at
Overture with the latest monthly figures. Then there's 200 or so other
phrases in the top 100, lots in the top 20.
No idea how many visitors I get for that mini site (less than 10
pages) since it's there for fun, I'd estimate over 500 though.
I know how I did it and so if this is a permanent change at google I
should be able to repeat it for new pages or any new sites I create
(or edit).
In the New Year I'll be offering SEO Services, so if interested feel
free to email me (change the SP@AM to @ to email).
Also willing to offer free advice to non commercial sites I like
(charity sites etc..).
David
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because I'm telling you it's going to spread to all searches before you
know it and you won't be so happy when it does. It's not your content or
the way you're coding or your links that have saved you and some others.
Don't say I didn't warn you to be prepared for disaster that most people
are going through now.
Tim Arnold
> FINDING NON-FILTERED TWO WORD KEYWORDS:
>
> Search with Google:
>
> Keyword1 keyword2
>
> Observe the results. Now search the following:
>
> keyword1 keyword2 -googlegoo(oranynonsense)
>
> i.e., tanning beds -googlegoo
Look it is this simple. It doesnt look as if Google is filtering
anything past two words. When you add the third word then that three
word phrase is not filtered.
Online MBA - FILTERED
Alabama Online - MBA NOT FILTERED
You simply have to shoot for an extra word beyond the word or phrase
that that is filtered. I dont think some people are getting it.
My own eperience is similiar
The term "insurance quote" is filtered.
The term "Alabama insurance quote" is not.
Tim
Sam
and whose site is gone? The viewing public is still going to be using
the same two words and they are not going to add a third word. I don't
get your drift here?
ps-I also think it's terrible how people spam those greek pr6 guestbooks
:)
Dem
Search:
Alabama insurance quote -googlegoo -googlegoo
It is filtered, BTW
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Dem
"Sam" <.@mail.com> wrote in message
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> You better hope that google goes back to the old way before the change
> because I'm telling you it's going to spread to all searches before you
> know it
I believe it.
> and you won't be so happy when it does.
I am not happy now either. But by finding new key words I have at least
salvaged some of my traffic. I lost 60-70% last week.
It's not your content or
> the way you're coding or your links that have saved you and some others.
> Don't say I didn't warn you to be prepared for disaster that most people
> are going through now.
I've been through the disaster and I feel fine.
Dem
"Sam" <.@mail.com> wrote in message
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> SEO Dave wrote:
> >
> > >So far no one has figured how to get ANY ranking for FILTERED KEYWORDS.
> > >
> >
> > Speak for yourself my sites have never done better.
But it has nothing to do with what you did or didn't do. As you even said,
it was sheer blind luck for you. You do not know why you stayed and your
competion dropped. You could of very well dropped as your competetion had
sites very similar to yours. Why is it that you stayed and the rest dropped?
You have not figured out the Algo. You have not figured how toget ranking
on the Algo. apart from THAT YOU DID!
You don't even recognize the significance of the -googlegoo bug, which even
non-internet people recognize...
Dem
>
> SEO Dave wrote:
>
>
> Speak for yourself my sites have never done better.
I guess the demand for your jelly double dildos is quite high?
SEO Dave
>You better hope that google goes back to the old way before the change
>because I'm telling you it's going to spread to all searches before you
>know it and you won't be so happy when it does. It's not your content or
>the way you're coding or your links that have saved you and some others.
>Don't say I didn't warn you to be prepared for disaster that most people
>are going through now.
It's still only a search engine algorithm and so understandable. As
I've said occasionally I'd be more than happy for SEO to get harder
since then it makes it easier to remain at the top when you get there.
I was expecting to see a few domains that had comment spammed their
way into the top 20 last month for the Lingerie SERP to get in the top
10 this month.
I'm very happy they are dropped to be below 50. And the top 10 is
again 100% relevant with mostly lingerie shops. It's difficult to
compete with comment spammers without resorting to it yourself and I'm
hoping Google worked out a way to discount this spam this month.
If Google keeps the current algo I see no reason why my SERPs would
drop significantly next month.
SEO Dave
>
>
>"Sam" <.@mail.com> wrote in message
>news:e8cc0404a1f2b40c...@news.teranews.com...
>> SEO Dave wrote:
>> >
>> > >So far no one has figured how to get ANY ranking for FILTERED KEYWORDS.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Speak for yourself my sites have never done better.
>
>But it has nothing to do with what you did or didn't do. As you even said,
>it was sheer blind luck for you. You do not know why you stayed and your
>competion dropped. You could of very well dropped as your competetion had
>sites very similar to yours. Why is it that you stayed and the rest dropped?
>You have not figured out the Algo. You have not figured how toget ranking
>on the Algo. apart from THAT YOU DID!
You obviously don't understand how you go about SEOing a site over
time then!
Basically through a combination of best current information (from
others) coupled with your own research and a large amount of trial and
error you develop a recipe that produces results.
Last month the recipe produced good results, this month it produced
even better results. This is a tried and tested recipe for me, I've
made thousands of pages for Google slowly tweaking what I do to get
best results (I made two major changes this month and should see the
results next month, good or bad).
Of the 4 thousand pages I currently have online, over 2000 are not
expected to be found in search engines (I just want them indexed), of
the remaining pages over 1000 rank high for a relevant search term
(probably higher, since I don't track them all). So statistically 50%
of what I go after I get, and this figure increases with time.
For the main SERPs for my lingerie site I've not seen any moves down
that I'd consider out of the ordinary. So I don't see the drops some
are reporting.
So I have a recipe that works with last months algo as well and this
months algo very well. Therefore it reasonable to conclude I have
figured out how to get good rankings in the algo and have repeated it
(the mini site in the sig) and will repeat it again and again as I
make new pages/sites for myself and in the new year customers sites.
You can maybe argue that it's to some degree luck that the recipe
works, but that's how you understand an algo (trial and error). The
fact remains I know how to repeat my current success since I
understand how to optimise a site, this wasn't just luck.
>
>You don't even recognize the significance of the -googlegoo bug, which even
>non-internet people recognize...
See previous post.
Philipp Lenssen
>
> Of the 4 thousand pages I currently have online, over 2000 are not
> expected to be found in search engines (I just want them indexed), of
> the remaining pages over 1000 rank high for a relevant search term
> (probably higher, since I don't track them all). So statistically 50%
> of what I go after I get, and this figure increases with time.
>
What do you mean by "are not expected to be found"?
If they have original content they will be found sooner or later, right.
Besides my normal pages, I also have book pages online, which I don't
target at any specific keyword/phrase I know of -- and yet that's where
I get the most (non-commercial!) traffic from. Just because they
contain certain keyword combinations not found on other sites.
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SEO Dave
wrote:
>What do you mean by "are not expected to be found"?
I mean they aren't made to be found by real searches. Sometimes they
are found, but that wasn't the main intention.
Don't read too much into this, it takes time to optimise thousands of
pages, so you concentrate on the important ones. Any traffic you get
from the un optimised pages are a bonus. Also the concept is only
relevant to large sites, since for smaller sites every page should be
optimised for at least one unique phrase. When you have 2000+ pages
you run out of phrases and so have pages you don't need to optimise
(or at least not quickly)
So some pages are mostly there to feed the others relevance etc...
through linking, all you should care about for pages like these is if
found by a visitor it doesn't piss them off, the content is generally
unique, it's linking benefits other pages of yours and Google can find
and spider it.
6 months plus back I added over 1000 pages like these to my Lingerie
site. Visitor could and do find them (a lot), but the site didn't need
these pages to function. A couple of weeks back I changed the design
of the site, these pages are now essential to a visitors experience
and some have been optimised better over time (I optimise a handful of
them every time I do an update).
David
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>If they have original content they will be found sooner or later, right.
Tim Arnold
> :)
Hehe. The only reason I posted to a PR6 is that I couldnt find a PR9.
I think I may take your advice and start a blog. Theres just too much
talk about how it can boost a site.
I know it is going to be a pain in the ()^&^&.
Got any suggestions.
Tim
Sam
>
> > ps-I also think it's terrible how people spam those greek pr6 guestbooks
> > :)
>
> Hehe. The only reason I posted to a PR6 is that I couldnt find a PR9.
>
> I think I may take your advice and start a blog. Theres just too much
> talk about how it can boost a site.
> I know it is going to be a pain in the ()^&^&.
>
> Got any suggestions.
>
> Tim
>
and create one of those auto page wizard pages creators from blogspot
(owned by google) and use that right now as your blog. make sure though
that you add links to your real site or sites at the bottom of your post
for your blog. You only need one good post and no need to do many posts.
Just one good one mentioning your keywords in the blog page title, text
content, and your links should do the trick. Then go back to that
growing too large file size greek pr6 guestbook and post a link for the
blog site. Also promote that blog site url at memberlists, guestbooks,
blog commenst and add a link to your own high pr sites for the blog site
url. Oh also very important use a hypenated keywords for your blog url,
preferably 3 keywords so in your case that would be:
http://online-insurance-quotes.blogspot.com and if that's taken just add
a name before the online part such as tims-online-insurance-quotes
Rosalyn
Hi there.
Thats all very well but what about search engine optimization?
Your list doesn't tell us anything more than we already know, that
multiple (not so populuar) keyword searches have not been affected....
I'm not going to start listing all my number 1 postitions for my sites
there would be too many but the difference is that I did have several
of the most HIGHLY searhed keyword strings that the site has been
deranked on ... all the others (less popular) searches have not been
affected... (like yours)
The ONLY ones that have been demoted are the ones that I have an
Adword account for when the site was doing less well on those keyword
phrases... I stopped using the adwords when the site gained a number 5
and 6 position for the phrases I purchased.
So despite all the theories milling around I sill believe that no
matter how well sites are optimised going after the filtered phrases
is going to be a bummer...
However if anyone does manage to crack it be sure to get in touch.. :D
SEO Dave
wrote:
>Hi there.
>
>Thats all very well but what about search engine optimization?
Hi,
If you followed my posts since June you'd know I started after the
above phrase and similar phrase around then (so 5 months ago). It was
a test and for fun (just one page for the first 5 weeks ), so not
something I've devoted 100s of hours to (like I have my main site), so
not had time to build the pages I'd of liked etc.... I'm using the
same techniques on the mini site (less than 10 pages though) in the
sig as I have on my main site (over 2000 pages).
For moves forward this has been my best update.
Search Engine Optimisation (UK spelling) current 27th up from early
40s before 16th November.
Search Engine Optimization (US spelling) current 60th up from around
90th-100th before 16th November.
Search Engine Placement current 47th up from around 90th-100th before
16th November (was fluctuating between 50th and 75th prior to this).
SEO current 32nd up from around 40th before 16th November and 115th
before 8th November (wasn't in top 200 prior to Oct 24th).
These are the main SEO related SERPs, other than SEO the rest are
multiple words. Take a look one Overture to see what I mean.
These SERPs won't produce much if any traffic, but they are a move in
the right direction and basically what I was hoping for. Next update
I'd hope to see top 20 (in at least 2 of them), and if I put some work
into the small site top 10s soon after that.
Had I of put 100% into this I'd be much closer to the goal, but I'm
not making any money from this, so not a priority. Also the
competition is supposedly those who also know what they are doing, so
it's not like going after standard competitive pages.
I'll be content with top 15 for all the above long term if I wasn't
going into offering SEO Services next year. As I am I won't be happy
until I'm top 5 for them all and will always strive for number 1.
This isn't to get customers wanting their sites SEOing, since I can
get customers quite easily, I've lost count the number of times people
have contacted me from my posts here and forums looking to employ my
SEO abilities (4 this week willing to pay and a few looking for free
help.). Also been offered two full time jobs as well (in house SEO
stuff, one in the US) last few months!!
Basically if I can't get a decent ranking for the mini site (which has
a lot against it) then I'm not good enough at SEO to offer paid SEO
services (I would never offer a service I can't deliver).
Back to the point as I've gone off on a tangent :-))
>Your list doesn't tell us anything more than we already know, that
>multiple (not so populuar) keyword searches have not been affected....
Yes it does. The list above was mostly new SERPs (new this update) and
mimics what I'm seeing for many other SERPs on my main site, basically
mostly going up (hence seeing over 6000 unique visitors a day, up from
5000 odd).
My main keyword is Lingerie.
Here's the SERP for this site www.adultlingerieuk.com
Nov 29, 2003 10
Nov 27, 2003 10
Nov 26, 2003 6
Nov 24, 2003 6
Nov 23, 2003 6
Nov 22, 2003 6
Nov 21, 2003 6
Nov 20, 2003 12
Nov 19, 2003 11
Nov 17, 2003 11
Nov 16, 2003 12
Nov 15, 2003 12
Nov 13, 2003 12
Nov 12, 2003 12
Nov 11, 2003 12
Nov 10, 2003 12
Nov 9, 2003 12
Nov 8, 2003 12
Nov 7, 2003 12
Nov 6, 2003 17
Nov 5, 2003 16
Nov 3, 2003 16
Nov 2, 2003 15
Nov 1, 2003 15
Oct 30, 2003 16
Oct 28, 2003 16
Oct 27, 2003 15
Oct 26, 2003 15
Oct 24, 2003 15
Oct 23, 2003 16
Oct 22, 2003 17
Oct 20, 2003 13
Oct 19, 2003 13
Oct 18, 2003 13
Oct 17, 2003 13
Oct 16, 2003 13
Oct 15, 2003 13
Oct 14, 2003 13
Oct 13, 2003 13
Oct 12, 2003 13
Oct 11, 2003 13
It was generally in the low to mid teens prior to the 16th, peeked at
6th after the 16th and has just dropped to 10th last few days.
The drop seems to be caused by very large freshbot movements, which is
something I haven't seen before, at least not with this SERP. So
there's a very popular SERP that I've improved for.
Traffic for Lingerie on Overture 914376 a month.
Seeing similar with
113639 sexy lingerie (currently 4th, up from 10th).
22820 trashy lingerie (stable at 2nd)
I could make a medium size list of popular competitive searches I've
either improved for or seen barely any changes, but the above are
representative.
I've lost a few less important phrases and gained a lot more, but this
is normal for the site.
>I'm not going to start listing all my number 1 postitions for my sites
>there would be too many but the difference is that I did have several
>of the most HIGHLY searhed keyword strings that the site has been
>deranked on ... all the others (less popular) searches have not been
>affected... (like yours)
I never said the ones I listed where popular.
I do have a question, what do others consider commercial etc...?
Jacket has been put forward as a non commercial phrase and non
competitive, but has 73628 searches on Overture. That's not a bad
figure, top 5 listing should bring in over 100 visitors a day. 10 of
those phrases and the right site and you have yourself enough traffic
to run a small business!
When you do a jacket search you see 8 Adwords on the right and two
sponsored listing at the top.
Entering max $0.25 a click for a Adwords campaign for Jacket and
Lingerie you get-
Keyword Clicks /Day AverageCost-Per-Click Cost /Day AveragePosition
[?]
jacket 550.0 $0.16 $84.48 3.2
lingerie 900.0 $0.17 $150.37 2.9
sexy lingerie 21.0 $0.17 $3.51 4.3
As above, but $0.15 a click
jacket 450.0 $0.10 $42.98 3.8
lingerie 760.0 $0.11 $83.06 3.8
sexy lingerie 16.0 $0.11 $1.72 4.8
Jacket seems far from non commercial to me!
Seems to me some are being very liberal, with their labelling of a
phrase to match what they believe.
Note Sexy Lingerie and Lingerie both show different results when you
do the -bunchacrap search so by the Anti SEO Filter hypothesis both
are commercial.
>The ONLY ones that have been demoted are the ones that I have an
>Adword account for when the site was doing less well on those keyword
>phrases... I stopped using the adwords when the site gained a number 5
>and 6 position for the phrases I purchased.
I used to use Adwords for the Lingerie search and the Sexy Lingerie
search and others.
>So despite all the theories milling around I sill believe that no
>matter how well sites are optimised going after the filtered phrases
>is going to be a bummer...
I'm not seeing a problem, I'll be making minor changes to my plans
this month as I do every update. Generally speaking it's business as
usual for me :-))
>However if anyone does manage to crack it be sure to get in touch.. :D
David
Sam
He worded that badly. What he means is he doesn't want those showing up
on pages 1-10 of any of his serps. They'll be indexed if someone types
in the url address for them though. But under a keyword search they
won't be easily found and maybe not at all. That's the right way to do
it but you also want each of those 2000 what I call 'sleeper pages' to
have the same or near the same pr as your index page and his 2000 don't.
That part he doesn't do right.
SEO Dave
>He worded that badly. What he means is he doesn't want those showing up
>on pages 1-10 of any of his serps. They'll be indexed if someone types
>in the url address for them though. But under a keyword search they
>won't be easily found and maybe not at all.
Actually that's not what I said/meant.
I'd be very, very happy if every single page I get indexed also brings
in traffic. Some of the pages I build though are not designed for
traffic, they target no specific phrase but do have a function.
I care if they are indexed, since that boosts the site generally, but
don't care if anyone ever finds them directly from a search engine,
since they will see them when they enter the site IF they wish to.
>That's the right way to do
>it but you also want each of those 2000 what I call 'sleeper pages' to
>have the same or near the same pr as your index page and his 2000 don't.
>That part he doesn't do right.
Please do some research on PR, you still don't get it.
Sam
>
>
> Please do some research on PR, you still don't get it.
>
> David
>
I think it's the oppossite way around and you're the one who needs to do
research on what page ranking is all about. The proof is in the pudding
since my sites all have higher pr than yours. But to enlighten you since
you don't understand page rank here we go:
Page rank is the sum total of all the incoming links of pr4 or higher to
your url address. For a link to add to your page rank it has to have at
least a page rank of 4 itself or it won't be added to your sites page
rank. The more pr4 and higher links you have the higher your sites page
rank will go. It is more important to be linked at sites that have fewer
links than sites with very high pr with a lot links. The best is to be
linked on a high pr page with few links, and the very best type of links
you can get are ones where you don't link back. That's the reason sites
such as google, aol, yahoo ect have such high page rank because millions
of sites link to them but yet they don't link back.
I think you are confusing page listing with page rank which most amateur
seo's do. They are not the same thing. A site can have a high page
rankof 7 and still not be lsited on page one and a site with lower pr
can make it to page one. Page listing has to do with the variables in
the coding of the page itself. It can make a big difference between
sites whose page rank is close (pr4-pr6 sites as an example). However it
the pr is not close then page listing variables won't make that much of
a difference (pr3 v/s pr7 as an example).
Now that you've been educated in what page rank is Dave, let's see you
go out there and get that rank up and make us all proud of you!
rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
> Page rank is the sum total of all the incoming links of pr4 or higher
> to your url address. For a link to add to your page rank it has to
> have at least a page rank of 4 itself or it won't be added to your
> sites page rank.
Wrong. All links count. It isn't hard to find PR2 and PR3 sites with
no links from pages that are PR4 or better.
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> I think it's the oppossite way around and you're the one who needs to do
> research on what page ranking is all about. The proof is in the pudding
> since my sites all have higher pr than yours.
I see no proof in this post of yours. Perhaps you should post the URLs of
these websites of yours - that would be a start.
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You may be right, in one of your rare instances of being right about
anything, because I have noticed many links showing up below pr4 at my
back links past few months so google must have lowered the pr
requirement for links to become back links a few months ago. But it was
pr4 minimum up till about then. But that's besides the point, the main
point being that Dave doesn't understand what page rank is which boggles
the mind considering how successful he has been with his lingerie site.
Like I said I think he has page rank and page listing mixed up.
Sam
>
> Sam wrote:
>
> > I think it's the oppossite way around and you're the one who needs to do
> > research on what page ranking is all about. The proof is in the pudding
> > since my sites all have higher pr than yours.
>
> I see no proof in this post of yours. Perhaps you should post the URLs of
> these websites of yours - that would be a start.
>
> --
> Iso.
I don't have to show you any stinkin bahdges!
SEO Dave
>
>Page rank is the sum total of all the incoming links of pr4 or higher to
>your url address. For a link to add to your page rank it has to have at
>least a page rank of 4 itself or it won't be added to your sites page
>rank. The more pr4 and higher links you have the higher your sites page
>rank will go. It is more important to be linked at sites that have fewer
>links than sites with very high pr with a lot links. The best is to be
>linked on a high pr page with few links, and the very best type of links
>you can get are ones where you don't link back. That's the reason sites
>such as google, aol, yahoo ect have such high page rank because millions
>of sites link to them but yet they don't link back.
Like I said you don't understand PR. As I've told you on numerous
occasions all links count towards your PR, a 'virgin' page (one with
no links to it) has 0.15 PR points to share between all it's links.
Show me a serious paper on PR that says only PR4 pages that show as
backlinks on google count?
It is reasonable to assume that only pages indexed by Google will
count towards PR though, since if they aren't fully indexed (have a
cache) Google doesn't know what they link to so can't include them in
the PR calculation. All the pages on my Lingerie site are indexed as
are 99.99% of pages I own (about 4000 pages) and so they all count
towards the sites PR.
As I've also said before thousands of 'virgin' pages don't create that
much PR alone, they need an input from an already high PR page. Which
is why my sites PR has fallen from PR7 to PR6 to PR5 last few months.
I lost some very important links recently.
SEO Dave
<spam...@spamdetector.co.uk> wrote:
>I see no proof in this post of yours. Perhaps you should post the URLs of
>these websites of yours - that would be a start.
Although Sam won't post his URLs I know what they are (he told me) and
I can confirm they are PR6s and PR5s.
Unfortunately for Sam he doesn't understand SEO to well and so hasn't
used this resource to full benefit and has no good SERPs currently.
He's recently followed my advice on how to link his pages together and
some other basic SEO stuff, so might see some improvements over the
next few months.
So he does have PR6 home pages on several domains.
Sam
they have changed that in the past number of months and now show lower
pr pages as back links. I think they changed this because so many people
were afraid to exchange links with sites that had lower pr than theirs.
But you're still missing the point I've been trying to make to you. If
you have 4000 pages to your site then google is not crediting you with
4000 back links because they only show 288 back links for your site as
the total number. It should say 4000 if your links were all working as
back links but they're not because of your linking structure. My sites
show all my back links every single one of them as far as total number
of them is concerned. I've seen sites with total back links in the
thousands, even some in the millions like google itself. So something is
wrong somewhere in your linking structure of your site and your pr
should be a lot higher than it is. Your internal pages are not
supporting each other is basically what I see wrong with your site. A
website is a like a house with the 2x4's all supporting each other. You
don't have more support in some places and less in others. Your site is
like that with stronger support here and weaker support there. If your
index page is pr5 than all your pages should be at least a pr4 and in
tiem a pr5 just like the index page. You have pages that are 5's
internally , some 4's but you also have 0's, 1's, 2's, and 3's. Your
house is inbalanced and not strong enough to support itself. If I had
your site I'd fix that and have your site as the number one url at
lingerie right now.
SEO Dave
>You have pages that are 5's
>internally , some 4's but you also have 0's, 1's, 2's, and 3's. Your
>house is inbalanced and not strong enough to support itself. If I had
>your site I'd fix that and have your site as the number one url at
>lingerie right now.
Hi,
All of this is by design and works exactly as I would expect it to.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of which links count, do some
research and you'll see all indexed links count. Or just take my word
for it and get your SERP a lot quicker.
BTW there is more to my site than the one word Lingerie, I'm going
after hundreds of different words and phrases (I add new ones every
update) which add up to 6 times as much traffic as that one very good
traffic keyword.
Lingerie isn't even our best word for sales, way too general, all you
need to do is look at the market and compare it to what we sell. Ours
is a lot more for those into bondage etc.... than the standard
lingerie shopper looking for a new pair of knickers!
We sell far more bondage and more recently adult toys than lingerie
even if a lot of people come to the site via related phrases. This is
why we are looking at adding more 'standard' lingerie and will have a
bunch of new stuff added soon.
I look on the Lingerie SERP as a guide stick to how well I'm doing,
top 10 shows me my techniques are working very well.
Sam, don't you find it strange/frustrating that you have multiple
domains, with multiple PR6 and PR5 pages ALL targeting just one very
low traffic non competitive 2 word phrase and yet you aren't in the
top 10?
I've made one page to target your phrase and I'm making some minor
changes to some related pages as with a little luck they could easily
break into the top 10 with hardly any work at all just by mentioning
the phrase a couple of times.
If I get a top 10 with one of my pages will you then admit I know more
about SEO than you do and you'll then go off and learn what you need
to know and stop posting inaccurate information?
If you get a top 10 Lingerie SERP with the page you have made I'll
refer to you as Sam (aka SEO God) for a week :-))
Sam
>
> You have a fundamental misunderstanding of which links count, do some
> research and you'll see all indexed links count. Or just take my word
> for it and get your SERP a lot quicker.
>
doesn't count ones lower than pr5 but why waste your time with them when
there are so many pr5 ones and lately I'm finding a lot of pr6's as
well. Your own page rank goes up when you have incoming links that have
high pr 5 and above. You would thousands of pr4 links to equal just 100
pr6 links. Why do all that extra work when you don't have to? High pr
sites are there for the taking it's not like they are rare and hard to
find. What I go for arethe highest ranked sites with the fewest links
already on them. Those are the best ones that help my sites the most.
>
> BTW there is more to my site than the one word Lingerie, I'm going
> after hundreds of different words and phrases (I add new ones every
> update) which add up to 6 times as much traffic as that one very good
> traffic keyword.
>
For my sites there is only one important serp to go after and a few
minor ones unlike yours which has lots. There's advatages to yours
because there's more to go after but disadvantages as you have more work
having to do that.
>
>
> Sam, don't you find it strange/frustrating that you have multiple
> domains, with multiple PR6 and PR5 pages ALL targeting just one very
> low traffic non competitive 2 word phrase and yet you aren't in the
> top 10?
>
I hate to tell you this but my search is 10 times more competitive than
yours as you'll soon find out when you see how difficult it is to get a
site listed there and how easily it will be for me to get one listed at
lingerie in the coming month.
>
> If you get a top 10 Lingerie SERP with the page you have made I'll
> refer to you as Sam (aka SEO God) for a week :-))
>
> David
>
Well as I told you via email before I'll fly to England and do your
dirty laundry for 2 weeks if I'm wrong:)
Sam
>
>
> Sam, don't you find it strange/frustrating that you have multiple
> domains, with multiple PR6 and PR5 pages ALL targeting just one very
> low traffic non competitive 2 word phrase and yet you aren't in the
> top 10?
>
> David
>
Forgot to respond to that above fully. First off I had 2 sites on page
one of my search and 2 sites on page 2 ect on down to page 9 before this
florida update bs happend. So I've has plenty of my sites getting high
listing until the last google update. If it hadn't happened I would have
de-throned the number 1 and 2 sites on page one that have been there for
over a year now. Also I am the only survivor at my search from all the
sites that were there before high up with my main site on page 9, my
blog on page 3, guestbook on page 5 and the newer databases -gv and -mc
show my main site jumping back to page one again at the number 8 spot.
Which almost leads me to believe that the december google dance will set
things straight again and dispell all this florida nonsense as just
being a computer glitch.
Believe me a zillion times more people search my key words than search
for lingerie and my search is way more competitive than yours ever will
be. Your problem is you're going by the amount of sites at each search
and that doesn't always mean that search A with 18 million sites is more
competitive than search B with only 6 million sites. Your search just
has about 16 million amateurs sites whereas mine has about 6 million
professional webmaster seo's which most hardcore adult areas have. Your
search is just softcore, probably tons of housewives and guys with
fetishes doing them for fun.
SEO Dave
snip
>Believe me a zillion times more people search my key words than search
>for lingerie and my search is way more competitive than yours ever will
>be.
OK, here's how to determine how competitive a phrase is (did the
analysis a week or two back, so may be dated)-
***** *** indicates Sam's main phrase, he asked me not to post his
search, so haven't. I'm sure he'll be happy to confirm this info is
accurate even if he disagrees with the conclusions.
Lingerie - 11,700,000 pages found.
Overture Searches- 914376
Google Adwords CPC set at $1 gives 1,200.0 clicks a day at a cost of
$526.98 a day.
***** *** - 3,940,000 pages found.
Overture Searches- No suggestions for ***** ***
Google Adwords CPC set at $1 gives 49.0 clicks a day at a cost of
$21.91 a day.
Pages found isn't a good guide, but should be the first thing checked
as it gives an idea of the number of pages that at least mention the
words. If it's a lot some by luck will be optimised well.
Overtures searches is very indicative of the potential competitiveness
of a phrase since more traffic a phrase produces more likely some ones
going after it.
Google Adwords info above shows the difference of the amount of
traffic available, ***** *** is a minor phrase with very few searches
made a day on Google, whilst Lingerie is a major phrase (I get 750
visitors a day for that one word when I had number 12).
What really seals the competitiveness of a phrase is the top ten
pages.
For Lingerie all but one of the sites is commercial, so just one is
informative. Half the sites for ***** *** are informative, these tend
to not do as well in competitive SERPs since there is no reason to
rank well (no money in it).
Also look at the pages found, Lingerie all are home pages (so highish
PR), whilst ***** *** all are internal deep content pages (so lowish
PR).
One last thing look at the pages displayed under Google Adword for the
phrase ***** ***, they aren't really about ***** ***. So those using
Adwords are generally after related phrases.
>Your problem is you're going by the amount of sites at each search
>and that doesn't always mean that search A with 18 million sites is more
>competitive than search B with only 6 million sites. Your search just
>has about 16 million amateurs sites whereas mine has about 6 million
>professional webmaster seo's which most hardcore adult areas have. Your
>search is just softcore, probably tons of housewives and guys with
>fetishes doing them for fun.
how can you say that when the top 5 for your SERP right now are-
1. A News site www.wired.com deep article.
2. A FAQ on another info site, again deep content.
3. A PR3 porn page (doorway page) that's badly optimised and the file
name is 1100.html!
4. The relevant Yahoo Group (with title Yahoo Group!!).
5. another info site.
Lingerie SERP-
1. Commercial site selling Lingerie.
2. Commercial site selling Lingerie.
3. Commercial site selling Lingerie.
4. Commercial site selling Lingerie.
5. Commercial site selling Lingerie.
6. Lingerie Directory that lots of the commercial sites (including
mine) link to/from.
7. Commercial site selling Lingerie.
8. Commercial site selling Lingerie.
9. Commercial site selling Lingerie.
10. Commercial site selling Lingerie (my site).
All the top 10 are the Home Pages of the domain. It's not until number
11 that we see a content page.
I don't see any amateur sites above.
Post your SERP so others can check it for themselves. Since you aren't
in the top 10 they won't know which sites are yours and you may get
some extra useful analysis from others.
OBSERVER
"SEO Dave" <ooar...@AMntlworld.com> wrote in message >
> If I get a top 10 with one of my pages will you then admit I know more
> about SEO than you do and you'll then go off and learn what you need
> to know and stop posting inaccurate information?
>
>
You may regret those words, dave...
krishk...@gmail.com
1-script.com
http://www.1-script.com/forums/search-engines/how-to-restore-ranking-to-your-buried-site-63857-.htm
1-script.com wrote:
> You can consult Centex Technologies.
a fun read, by the way, nice to keep things in perspective: 10 years ago
there were already sites buried by Google! LOL
Anyway, never heard of Centrex Technologies and, judging by the fact that
they still list "Directory Submission" as one of the main SEO tactics they
use, I would not expect much from their services.
all4you...@gmail.com
> I will try to offer you some suggestions about what you can do if things do
> not resolve themselves. For the moment the general consensus is to sit
> tight, although I do not subscribe to this view, as it is obvious that what
> is happening is not a glitch but part of a planned campaign to force
> ecommerce site to purchase Adwords from Google.
>
>
> There is currently a bug in the google search. This bug turns off the new
> commercial filter that has been applied to thousands of competitive
> keywords.
Loads of work to do there; first of all you have to change the internal linking, get quality backlinks and clean up old pages as well as 404 errors.
Think these guys can help.
http;//www.seoarticlecontentwriting.com
>
> Note: three word keywords require an extra -googlegoo !
> SEARCH: keyword1 keyword2 keyword3 -googlegoo -googlegoo
>
> FINDING NON-FILTERED TWO WORD KEYWORDS:
>
> Search with Google:
>
> Keyword1 keyword2
>
> Observe the results. Now search the following:
>
> keyword1 keyword2 -googlegoo(oranynonsense)
>
> i.e., tanning beds -googlegoo
>
> The unfiltered results emerge and you will see a difference between these
> and the normal google search for the same keywords. When you see a
> difference between these two results then the key words you selected ARE
> FILTERED.
>
> So far no one has figured how to get ANY ranking for FILTERED KEYWORDS.
>
>
> NORMAL SEARCH ARE IDENTICAL.
>
>
> These non-filtered keywords allow someone to optimize their site in the
> traditional manner to get high ranking for them. These words are usually of
> a more specific nature than generalized search terms people are used to.
> This may not bring back all the traffic lost as a result of this new Algo.
> but it will help to bring some of it back. FIND THOSE NON-FILTERED KEYWORDS
> BEFORE GOOGLE CLOSES UP THIS HOLE...
>
>
> Good Luck