Google and CSS
Gordowey
would like to Know the last updates about this, and ask the one million
dollars question?
Does Google look at the CSS file?
I mean, can I use style (css) to format my text as I would use <h1> tag
, with the same effect, for example?
Thanks a lot
Alberto
Paul
wrote:
>Hi all, I think that this topic has been discussed in the past, but I
>would like to Know the last updates about this, and ask the one million
>dollars question?
>
>Does Google look at the CSS file?
I hear that they have started to.
>I mean, can I use style (css) to format my text as I would use <h1> tag
>, with the same effect, for example?
That's the whole idea of CSS.
>
>Thanks a lot
No problem
>Alberto
plh
Paul
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Big Bill
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>Hi all, I think that this topic has been discussed in the past, but I
Yup.
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<h1> is a heading. Google assumes, the text is important.
You may format this text with CSS as you like.
If you use a <div> tag with the same formatting, it looks the same for
the visitor, but it is treated as normal text by Google.
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John Bokma
<h1>If you mean that you want</h1>
<h2>to format your text like</h2>
<H3>this and make it appear to</h3>
<h4>the visitor like a paragraph</h4>
<h5>Don't waste your time and your site</h5>
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Borek
wrote:
> Does Google look at the CSS file?
Yes, it did it in June on my sites.
> I mean, can I use style (css) to format my text as I would use <h1> tag
> , with the same effect, for example?
Same visual effect, but you are loosing the most important reason for
using <h1> tags - they are not to make text look bold and large, thay are
to let everyone and his dog know that <h1>this is the title</h1>. Keywords
in title are more important for SERPS than keywords in text, no matter how
large you will format it with css.
Best,
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Jan Paul van de Berg
> "Gordowey" <alberto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I think that this topic has been discussed in the past, but I
>> would like to Know the last updates about this, and ask the one million
>> dollars question?
>>
>> Does Google look at the CSS file?
>> I mean, can I use style (css) to format my text as I would use <h1> tag
>> , with the same effect, for example?
>
> <h1>If you mean that you want</h1>
> <h2>to format your text like</h2>
> <H3>this and make it appear to</h3>
> <h4>the visitor like a paragraph</h4>
> <h5>Don't waste your time and your site</h5>
Actually you can if you define the header tags to look like paragraph text
in your css.
H1 {
font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
font-size: 12px;
}
Borek
<ja...@ulvandebe.rg> wrote:
>>> I mean, can I use style (css) to format my text as I would use <h1> tag
>>> , with the same effect, for example?
>>
>> <h1>If you mean that you want</h1>
>> <h2>to format your text like</h2>
>> <H3>this and make it appear to</h3>
>> <h4>the visitor like a paragraph</h4>
>> <h5>Don't waste your time and your site</h5>
>
> Actually you can if you define the header tags to look like paragraph
> text
> in your css.
>
> H1 {
> font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
> font-size: 12px;
> }
What for? It will be still heading.
Borek
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Big Bill
<m.bor...@delete.chembuddy.these.com.parts> wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:23:00 +0200, Jan Paul van de Berg
><ja...@ulvandebe.rg> wrote:
>
>>>> I mean, can I use style (css) to format my text as I would use <h1> tag
>>>> , with the same effect, for example?
>>>
>>> <h1>If you mean that you want</h1>
>>> <h2>to format your text like</h2>
>>> <H3>this and make it appear to</h3>
>>> <h4>the visitor like a paragraph</h4>
>>> <h5>Don't waste your time and your site</h5>
>>
>> Actually you can if you define the header tags to look like paragraph
>> text
>> in your css.
>>
>> H1 {
>> font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
>> font-size: 12px;
>> }
>
>What for? It will be still heading.
>
>Borek
Yeah, but it won't necessarily dominate the visuals the way a normal
H1 tag would.
Paul
<m.bor...@delete.chembuddy.these.com.parts> wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:23:00 +0200, Jan Paul van de Berg
><ja...@ulvandebe.rg> wrote:
>
>>>> I mean, can I use style (css) to format my text as I would use <h1> tag
>>>> , with the same effect, for example?
>>>
>>> <h1>If you mean that you want</h1>
>>> <h2>to format your text like</h2>
>>> <H3>this and make it appear to</h3>
>>> <h4>the visitor like a paragraph</h4>
>>> <h5>Don't waste your time and your site</h5>
>>
>> Actually you can if you define the header tags to look like paragraph
>> text
>> in your css.
>>
>> H1 {
>> font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
>> font-size: 12px;
>> }
>
>What for?
Black hat reasons.
>It will be still heading.
Yep, but to the untrained eye will look like text. To a bot it will be
a lot of h1 tags.
Like all black hat, it won't work for long, if at all.
plh
paul
>Borek
Borek
>>> H1 {
>>> font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
>>> font-size: 12px;
>>> }
>>
>> What for? It will be still heading.
> Yeah, but it won't necessarily dominate the visuals the way a normal
> H1 tag would.
Check chembuddy site for headings - they are all CSS modified ;)
Best,
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Of course you can. Question is, should you, and if so, should you overdo
it?
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John Bokma
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:23:00 +0200, Jan Paul van de Berg
> <ja...@ulvandebe.rg> wrote:
>
>>>> I mean, can I use style (css) to format my text as I would use <h1>
>>>> tag , with the same effect, for example?
>>>
>>> <h1>If you mean that you want</h1>
>>> <h2>to format your text like</h2>
>>> <H3>this and make it appear to</h3>
>>> <h4>the visitor like a paragraph</h4>
>>> <h5>Don't waste your time and your site</h5>
>>
>> Actually you can if you define the header tags to look like paragraph
>> text
>> in your css.
>>
>> H1 {
>> font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
>> font-size: 12px;
>> }
>
> What for? It will be still heading.
But the visitor doesn't see it as such, yet it adds some weight. For
example you could do:
<h1>First sentence of your paragraph.</h1><p>Second
sentence... nth sentence.
</p>
which appears visually as:
first sentence of your paragraph. Second
sentence... nth sentence.
John Bokma
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:46:05 +0200, Borek
> <m.bor...@delete.chembuddy.these.com.parts> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:23:00 +0200, Jan Paul van de Berg
>><ja...@ulvandebe.rg> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I mean, can I use style (css) to format my text as I would use
>>>>> <h1> tag , with the same effect, for example?
>>>>
>>>> <h1>If you mean that you want</h1>
>>>> <h2>to format your text like</h2>
>>>> <H3>this and make it appear to</h3>
>>>> <h4>the visitor like a paragraph</h4>
>>>> <h5>Don't waste your time and your site</h5>
>>>
>>> Actually you can if you define the header tags to look like
>>> paragraph text
>>> in your css.
>>>
>>> H1 {
>>> font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
>>> font-size: 12px;
>>> }
>>
>>What for?
>
> Black hat reasons.
As an earlier discussion on the logo as h1 showed, that's an
oversimplification.
> Like all black hat, it won't work for long, if at all.
Depends: does it mislead the visitor? Does a logo marked up with h1
mislead the visitor? Is it black hat? Is a logo a heading, yes or no?
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>
> As an earlier discussion on the logo as h1 showed, that's an
> oversimplification.
>
>> Like all black hat, it won't work for long, if at all.
>
> Depends: does it mislead the visitor? Does a logo marked up with h1
> mislead the visitor? Is it black hat? Is a logo a heading, yes or no?
That is where I would say it is iffy and up to the individual taste and how
they perceive it to be. To me a heading especially a h1 is suppose to be the
largest and most important. To me that is the top title intro or logo. I do
not see this as being misleading or black hat in anyway, but that is my
taste of a site layout and how I perceive it.
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I can't see why anyone would want to do that. To me heading markup is a
special coding and other content will work fine. I feel that it could be
easy to program something to pick up headings not followed by content, but a
load of headings.
Big Bill
Is there intent to deceive?
John Bokma
> "John Bokma" <jo...@castleamber.com> wrote in message
...
>>>> <h1>If you mean that you want</h1>
>>>> <h2>to format your text like</h2>
>>>> <H3>this and make it appear to</h3>
>>>> <h4>the visitor like a paragraph</h4>
>>>> <h5>Don't waste your time and your site</h5>
>>>
>>> Actually you can if you define the header tags to look like
>>> paragraph text in your css.
>>>
>>> H1 {
>>> font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
>>> font-size: 12px;
>>> }
>>
>> Of course you can. Question is, should you, and if so, should you
>> overdo it?
>
> I can't see why anyone would want to do that. To me heading markup is
> a special coding and other content will work fine. I feel that it
> could be easy to program something to pick up headings not followed by
> content, but a load of headings.
It was a crazy example, but how about:
<h1>The life cycle of a Perl programmer</h1>
<h2>Birth</h2>
:
:
<h2>Toddler</h2>
In short, a h1 can be directly followed by a h2. I don't prefer this, I
have had some instructions on technical writing, and prefer a short intro
after the h1, but I have seen this construct, for example the HTML 4.01
specification uses it :-)
Other example in other post (the first sentence of a paragraph marked up
with a heading).
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John Bokma
> On 15 Aug 2006 22:58:21 GMT, John Bokma <jo...@castleamber.com> wrote:
[...]
>>Depends: does it mislead the visitor? Does a logo marked up with h1
>>mislead the visitor? Is it black hat? Is a logo a heading, yes or no?
>
> Is there intent to deceive?
Tune in next week to "What Hat do you Wear?" for the answer :-D.
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Vegas-real-estate-kid
Why not simply right enough content on a page so you can use h1 and h3
multiple times as relevant to the content. Separate your paragraphs
with h3 titles, like this
http://www.summerlin-las-vegas-real-estate.com/summerlin-trails.rub
If you don't have enough content for 4 paragraphs is it even going to
matter? Check out this article as it tests the importance of the title
tags and good coding. Kind of a long read but very cool.
http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2006/01/the-roundabout-seo-test
Vegas kid
Jan Paul van de Berg
If you overdo it, I can imagine it backfires. But if you want to add weight
to your SERP (e.g. a higher prominence) you could add this H1 tag here and
there in the paragraph text.
I don't use the technique but I do use header tags lately and it works. The
header tags are formatted in CSS like I demonstrate but to the visitor the
headers still look like headers, although not so silly huge as with
unformatted headers. The difference is now: for the search engine they look
as headers as well.
Big Bill
<ja...@ulvandebe.rg> wrote:
You're lucky Els is away. H1 tag is for use once and once only. You
can sprinkle the others around a bit but not the h1 tag.
Jan Paul van de Berg
Ok, thanks for the hint. Who is Els? Is she like: "only use H1 tag once or
Els..."?
Big Bill
<ja...@ulvandebe.rg> wrote:
Els is, like, on holiday.
Jezsta Web Productions
> Big Bill <kr...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 15 Aug 2006 22:58:21 GMT, John Bokma <jo...@castleamber.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>Depends: does it mislead the visitor? Does a logo marked up with h1
>>>mislead the visitor? Is it black hat? Is a logo a heading, yes or no?
>>
>> Is there intent to deceive?
>
> Tune in next week to "What Hat do you Wear?" for the answer :-D.
I don't wear any! :-)
Jezsta Web Productions
Yes, I sometimes do this also. H1 to H2. But most of the time I have the H1
by the logo or in the logo. Now I do it by the logo and have just the alt
text for the logo. The way I have been setting up some pages look better
this way. This is how I did flowerdeliverplus. I also had used h2 then
directly after h3 for the look and sometimes it is almost like the example
you gave above, but I already used the h1 so of course it would go to the h2
the h3.
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> Op Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:14:53 +0200 schreef Jezsta Web Productions:
>> I can't see why anyone would want to do that. To me heading markup is a
>> special coding and other content will work fine. I feel that it could be
>> easy to program something to pick up headings not followed by content,
>> but a
>> load of headings.
>
> If you overdo it, I can imagine it backfires. But if you want to add
> weight
> to your SERP (e.g. a higher prominence) you could add this H1 tag here and
> there in the paragraph text.
You should only use the h1 once. IMO it is like an outline. The h1 is the
top and beginning of it all. Then followed by h2's and h3's and so forth.
You can have a couple of h2's and h3's depending on how you want the outline
of the page to look as a bot would read it. There are ways to make keywords
have more prominence by the way it is written.
> I don't use the technique but I do use header tags lately and it works.
> The
> header tags are formatted in CSS like I demonstrate but to the visitor the
> headers still look like headers, although not so silly huge as with
> unformatted headers. The difference is now: for the search engine they
> look
> as headers as well.
Of course header tags work. I don't think there was anyone here disputing
that.
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> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:30:51 +0200, Jan Paul van de Berg
> <ja...@ulvandebe.rg> wrote:
>
>>Op Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:28:26 GMT schreef Big Bill:
>>>
>>> You're lucky Els is away. H1 tag is for use once and once only. You
>>> can sprinkle the others around a bit but not the h1 tag.
>>
>>Ok, thanks for the hint. Who is Els? Is she like: "only use H1 tag once or
>>Els..."?
>
> Els is, like, on holiday.
I just replied before reading this, and stated my thoughts about the h1.
Yes, it should only be used once IMO. You use it more than once I feel you
could be caught as it is misuse of the heading, competitors love to catch
ya.:-)
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> "Big Bill" <kr...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:kjt5e2te7ermt69sj...@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:30:51 +0200, Jan Paul van de Berg
> > <ja...@ulvandebe.rg> wrote:
> >
> >>Op Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:28:26 GMT schreef Big Bill:
> <snip>
>
> >>>
> >>> You're lucky Els is away. H1 tag is for use once and once only. You
> >>> can sprinkle the others around a bit but not the h1 tag.
> >>
> >>Ok, thanks for the hint. Who is Els? Is she like: "only use H1 tag once
or
> >>Els..."?
> >
> > Els is, like, on holiday.
>
> I just replied before reading this, and stated my thoughts about the h1.
> Yes, it should only be used once IMO. You use it more than once I feel you
> could be caught as it is misuse of the heading, competitors love to catch
> ya.:-)
>
> Stacey
I guess we are talking about using it once for every page, aren´t we?
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If you could learn to quote who you are referring your posting to.
> Why not simply right enough content on a page so you can use h1 and h3
> multiple times as relevant to the content. Separate your paragraphs
> with h3 titles, like this
>
> http://www.summerlin-las-vegas-real-estate.com/summerlin-trails.rub
Very slow to load BTW.
You don't need these especially since you aren't really using them some of
them.
<meta name="distribution" content="" />
<meta name="rating" content="" />
<meta name="classification" content="" />
<meta name="robots" content="" />
<meta name="copyright" content="" />
<meta name="author" content="" />
<meta name="generator" content="REML Layout Engine 2" />
<meta name="content-language" content="" />
<meta name="reply-to" content="" />
<meta http-equiv="imagetoolbar" content="no" />
Your h3 can become h2's, I don't know why you didn't use h2's for them. You
could use some alternate text in your images. I would switch your left
navigation and move it over to your right. Bringing your content up better.
The top nav is fine. But each image should have some alt text.
You title is to long and spammy looking, IMO you are not doing Summerlin any
good by mentioning it that many times. If Summerlin is suppose to be in Las
Vegas you don't seem to use the term properly and it isn't stated until the
end of your title. Plus, you don't mention it until the 3rd paragraph. It
could do with a rewrite as thinking about it you are wanting people to come
and Buy in Summerlin, but you really don't state to much of Las Vegas. If I
was searching for real estate in Las Vegas, I would use that as my main
search term. The next would be real estate. You page seems to be putting
Trails Village as the most important phrase and you will be losing out
unless someone is searching for that, the only problem is I never knew about
Trails Village until I seen the page.
I hope this helps you some.
Jan Paul van de Berg
> "Jan Paul van de Berg" <ja...@ulvandebe.rg> wrote in message
> news:cv1aro8pija7.6ncccor8m87n$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> I don't use the technique but I do use header tags lately and it works.
>> The
>> header tags are formatted in CSS like I demonstrate but to the visitor the
>> headers still look like headers, although not so silly huge as with
>> unformatted headers. The difference is now: for the search engine they
>> look
>> as headers as well.
>
> Of course header tags work. I don't think there was anyone here disputing
> that.
OP wasn't sure, he asked if the use of css had the same effect as using
header tags.
Jezsta Web Productions
Ok, thanks for pointing that out.
John Bokma
> You're lucky Els is away. H1 tag is for use once and once only. You
> can sprinkle the others around a bit but not the h1 tag.
Uhm, nope, although it might be considered good pratice to have on most
pages just one h1.