Reference on Fred Joly
dcashley
Sorry if I posted this message multiple times, but I am not sure if I
did this correctly. (Newbie to posting questions, sorry)
Anyways, I would like to hear from anyone who has worked with Fred
Joly. Please post candidly. Looking forward to good news.
Thanks,
dcashley
Stacey
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What would be your need to know? Plus are you looking for some SEO or what?
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Jez
dcashley wrote:
Worked with? You may find people that he has fished with. :)
Seriously, you may not be looking in the right place for people that
have worked with Fred. He seems like a nice enough guy. I like him. Does
that help?
Jez.
Big Bill
wrote:
Why?
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canadafred
Hi
Go to my web site
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/web-site-promotion-example.htm
and there is an example page, feel free to follow up on that public
list.
This Usenet group is a place to come to hang around with other SEOs,
offer insight in answering questions, and to debate SEO related issues.
Here, others would tell you that I play to win, I play fair, I like to
help others, I'm funny sometimes, I know my SEO ...
This is an unusual way to check an SEO integrity but completely
acceptable. Sounds like something I would have suggested you try. More
people should put their SEOs up publicly for scrutiny.
canadafred
I answered a thread here last week and the web site owner emailed me
directly with more questions and requested a quotation.
dcashley
him several times and I like him thus far, just covering the bases
since I had a really bad experience with my web designer.
dcashley
my partner and I were looking for feedback on Fred and his work because
we like him so far. Anyways, we had a bad (really bad) time with our
web designer, so I have to ask. thanks
dcashley
I said I was really new at this and my partner said to come here to
ask. Plus i'm tired most of the time and stupid some of the time. I see
your note about examples on your website. ;) Chanda
bi...@polarbearoutfitters.com
Hello
Fred asked me to write a testimomnial and he is here with me now as I
write this.
Fred has been taking care of my web sites since 1999.
I get many people approach me to take over my Internet marketing and
sometimes, in hopes of finding an even better SEO or when Fred is too
busy and unavailable, I go elsewhere for my web promotion work and each
time I do that I end up getting ripped-off. One web site promoter in
New York ( thousands of dollars ) managed to get
www.polarbearoutfitters.com banned from Google two years ago. I
remember how infuriated Fred was with this marketer. It has taken Fred
1 year and 8 months to fix this. I would be nothing without him. 30
years of business was on the line. For 6 months we were stuck on the
8th page for our primary keyphrase. Then the site strated to move again
and finally we are back at the top.
My web sites are producing leads everyday now and I have never been
busier in my 30 years of being in the tourism industry. It is a tough
industry I am in and without Fred's involvement in my web sites I
wouldn't have made it this far. This I know.
Fred also works for many of my contacts including his most recent
challenge being www.eaglesearth.com which he says started off exactly
like a situation that your web site is presently experiencing. This new
web site is not moving yet in the ranks but we are not concerned only
because we have complete confidence in Fred. What Fred touches turns to
gold.
Fred just got burned in a big deal in Quebec. He was paid 0 and they
made over $150,000 so far in the first three months of having Fred
aboard. In spite of his building 10 different web sites for each of
their departments, he refuses to remove the work. I don't know of
anyone else that would think like this. I would tear it down without a
second thought but he isn't that way. I still don't undrerstand how
come Fred isn't one of the richest guys on this planet, he's got the
real deal going on. I gave him a new keyphrase "Canada fishing" four
months ago. I only have 26 web sites ahead of mine now, from 10 million
and we are still moving up one or two almost daily. Hopefully by my
peak search period starting in November, I'll be able to clean up there
too! Fred doesn't care about how much money this will make me, he likes
the challenge. He cannot settle for being #2. What stops him from
making more money than he does is his simple humble lifestyle. All he
wants to do is fish. He is not driven by money. Once it took me over a
year to get back on my feet good enough to pay my bill to him. He never
pressured me once. He was only interested in getting me back up.
Many other outfitters in my neck of the woods are going bankrupt.There
is nobody out there that could even come close to giving me the
personal service Fred has always provided me throughout the years.
Having Fred on your side is wise. I work with Fred everyday and if he
wants to work for you and you have agreed on terms then you must have
something really special to offer because he turns down projects almost
daily.
Hope this helps you and Fred
Billy Konopelky
Polar Bear Outfitters
/.. revised to correct spelling and grammar .../
Thanks Billy
This is unusual that a reference is required this way. I know you are
sticking you neck out for me. I appreciate it.
Indeed the web site in question is something special and deserves SEO
TLC.
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canadafred
dcashley wrote:
> Sorry Fred,
> I said I was really new at this and my partner said to come here to
> ask. Plus i'm tired most of the time and stupid some of the time. I see
> your note about examples on your website. ;) Chanda
Hey no problem. If more people took the time to really find out about
their SEOs then the world would get less burned by scammers.
Here at A.I.S.E., is a great selection of the best type of SEOs. More
people should come here looking for ethical SEO service.
You do what you have to do that you decide is in the best interest for
YOUR web site.
I am just a little worried about someone taking this as an opportunity
to sling a pot-shot at me, but that's the beatiful thing asbout a group
like this, people are free to have an opinion and are encouraged to
share it.
cheers
webseoguy
When I look at postings that need to be answered and see Fred's name
there on the reply I automatically think that the question has already
been answered correctly and skip over that.
That is due to the fact from what I've read in postings that Fred is
VERY capable and VERY knowledgeable. Although I never worked with Fred,
I believe that you would be in good hands.
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canadafred
Hey jez
Oh, you probably have not seen me angry at spammers that come through
here sometimnes :)
Thanks for your help and the kind words.
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canadafred
webseoguy wrote:
> dcashley wrote:
> > Hello Everyone,
> > Sorry if I posted this message multiple times, but I am not sure if I
> > did this correctly. (Newbie to posting questions, sorry)
> > Anyways, I would like to hear from anyone who has worked with Fred
> > Joly. Please post candidly. Looking forward to good news.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > dcashley
>
> When I look at postings that need to be answered and see Fred's name
> there on the reply I automatically think that the question has already
> been answered correctly and skip over that.
>
> That is due to the fact from what I've read in postings that Fred is
> VERY capable and VERY knowledgeable. Although I never worked with Fred,
> I believe that you would be in good hands.
>
your work too, from a distance of course, and your impeccable
professionalism in SEO is inspirational. You are a great asset to this
communtity. We sometimes compete against each other in some niche
markets and I am always pleased to see your stuff at the top with mine.
I get a snug little feeling when I see the best up front and those best
hang around here when they have time. Your words carry great weight to
me and I am honoured with your perceptions regarding my capabilities.
Thanks again
--
all the best Fred
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/
webseoguy
canadafred wrote:
> Thanks Michael for your generous observations.
Your welcome Fred. I give credit when credit is due. I know some people
out there are so competitive that they wouldn't be honest like me. To
my minds eye there are enough customers for everyone. Unfortunately
there are a lot of bogus seo companies out there as well. Today I just
received a letter from a 'seo company' asking me for advice on how to
get better rankings and explain Google pagerank to them. I wish I could
paste the letter here, but I better not.
Thank you again for the compliment Fred. It almost makes me want to
print it out and hang it on the wall.
Big Bill
>
>canadafred wrote:
>
>> Thanks Michael for your generous observations.
>
>Your welcome Fred. I give credit when credit is due. I know some people
>out there are so competitive that they wouldn't be honest like me. To
>my minds eye there are enough customers for everyone. Unfortunately
>there are a lot of bogus seo companies out there as well. Today I just
>received a letter from a 'seo company' asking me for advice on how to
>get better rankings and explain Google pagerank to them.
That last bit's easy, just say, "History!" and that'll about cover it.
Paul
wrote:
>
>dcashley wrote:
>> Sorry Fred,
>> I said I was really new at this and my partner said to come here to
>> ask. Plus i'm tired most of the time and stupid some of the time. I see
>> your note about examples on your website. ;) Chanda
>
>Hey no problem. If more people took the time to really find out about
>their SEOs then the world would get less burned by scammers.
cough, splutter.
>Here at A.I.S.E., is a great selection of the best type of SEOs.
Who ?
Most of the good uns have gone or leech.
I dont think Gupta from India is the best type of SEO, nor the black
hat ones that visit, or even the parrot talkers.
>More people should come here looking for ethical SEO service.
Why ?
This NG is not stated to be ethical. I don't see any adverts anywhere
stating this is the place to be.
[...]
plh
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Paul
>Fred has been taking care of my web sites since 1999.
So your site should at least be PR7 or 8 by now, yes ?
Big Bill
<lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 1 Aug 2006 06:50:13 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>dcashley wrote:
>>> Sorry Fred,
>>> I said I was really new at this and my partner said to come here to
>>> ask. Plus i'm tired most of the time and stupid some of the time. I see
>>> your note about examples on your website. ;) Chanda
>>
>>Hey no problem. If more people took the time to really find out about
>>their SEOs then the world would get less burned by scammers.
>
>cough, splutter.
>
>>Here at A.I.S.E., is a great selection of the best type of SEOs.
>
>Who ?
>Most of the good uns have gone or leech.
>I dont think Gupta from India is the best type of SEO, nor the black
>hat ones that visit, or even the parrot talkers.
>
>>More people should come here looking for ethical SEO service.
>
>Why ?
>This NG is not stated to be ethical. I don't see any adverts anywhere
>stating this is the place to be.
>
>[...]
>
>plh
>paul
Of course we don't advertise. It wouldn't be ethical. :-Ś
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tonnie
> On 1 Aug 2006 06:42:38 -0700, bi...@polarbearoutfitters.com wrote:
>
>> Fred has been taking care of my web sites since 1999.
>
> So your site should at least be PR7 or 8 by now, yes ?
Why?
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Paul
wrote:
>Paul schreef:
>> On 1 Aug 2006 06:42:38 -0700, bi...@polarbearoutfitters.com wrote:
>>
>>> Fred has been taking care of my web sites since 1999.
>>
>> So your site should at least be PR7 or 8 by now, yes ?
>
>Why?
7 years online ? good webmaster would have gotten that site way above
PR4.
Big Bill
<lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 23:25:04 +0200, tonnie <t.pr...@chello.nl>
>wrote:
>
>>Paul schreef:
>>> On 1 Aug 2006 06:42:38 -0700, bi...@polarbearoutfitters.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fred has been taking care of my web sites since 1999.
>>>
>>> So your site should at least be PR7 or 8 by now, yes ?
>>
>>Why?
>
>7 years online ? good webmaster would have gotten that site way above
>PR4.
Speaking from experience, one is often constrained in one's efforts by
the ignorance and obduracy of clients themselves. You can't judge any
result without being aware of the restraints it was obtained under.
Paul
wrote:
>On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:44:13 +0100, Paul
><lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 23:25:04 +0200, tonnie <t.pr...@chello.nl>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Paul schreef:
>>>> On 1 Aug 2006 06:42:38 -0700, bi...@polarbearoutfitters.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fred has been taking care of my web sites since 1999.
>>>>
>>>> So your site should at least be PR7 or 8 by now, yes ?
>>>
>>>Why?
>>
>>7 years online ? good webmaster would have gotten that site way above
>>PR4.
>
>Speaking from experience, one is often constrained in one's efforts by
>the ignorance and obduracy of clients themselves. You can't judge any
>result without being aware of the restraints it was obtained under.
>
>BB
Lets hear the reasons why this particular site is like it then. :)
Big Bill
<lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:29:19 GMT, Big Bill <kr...@cityscape.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:44:13 +0100, Paul
>><lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 23:25:04 +0200, tonnie <t.pr...@chello.nl>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Paul schreef:
>>>>> On 1 Aug 2006 06:42:38 -0700, bi...@polarbearoutfitters.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred has been taking care of my web sites since 1999.
>>>>>
>>>>> So your site should at least be PR7 or 8 by now, yes ?
>>>>
>>>>Why?
>>>
>>>7 years online ? good webmaster would have gotten that site way above
>>>PR4.
>>
>>Speaking from experience, one is often constrained in one's efforts by
>>the ignorance and obduracy of clients themselves. You can't judge any
>>result without being aware of the restraints it was obtained under.
>>
>>BB
>
>Lets hear the reasons why this particular site is like it then. :)
Why would he, or any practicing SEO, want to answer a question like
that? Hardly your business, is it?
tonnie
> On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 23:25:04 +0200, tonnie <t.pr...@chello.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> Paul schreef:
>>> On 1 Aug 2006 06:42:38 -0700, bi...@polarbearoutfitters.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fred has been taking care of my web sites since 1999.
>>> So your site should at least be PR7 or 8 by now, yes ?
>> Why?
>
> 7 years online ? good webmaster would have gotten that site way above
> PR4.
If you are merely focusing on PR you haven't got a clue about what realy
matters.
John Bokma
> Paul schreef:
>> On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 23:25:04 +0200, tonnie <t.pr...@chello.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul schreef:
>>>> On 1 Aug 2006 06:42:38 -0700, bi...@polarbearoutfitters.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fred has been taking care of my web sites since 1999.
>>>> So your site should at least be PR7 or 8 by now, yes ?
>>> Why?
>>
>> 7 years online ? good webmaster would have gotten that site way above
>> PR4.
>
> If you are merely focusing on PR you haven't got a clue about what realy
> matters.
A few years back PR did matter more IMO, so a site that has been under
severe SEO since 1999 *might* have had at some point at least a PR6.
OTOH, it depends a lot on the site itself: some sites can do very well (as
in making money) with a handful of low PR links (and hence the PR of the
site itself might be low). Others will hardly make money with a PR of 7
:-D and thousands of daily visitors.
Few years back two sites of mine had a PR of 7. All it took me to get that
was taking a few pictures of a plastic toy animal, firing up Xara, and
making a logo for GNU :-D.
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tonnie
> tonnie <t.pr...@chello.nl> wrote:
>
>> Paul schreef:
>>> On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 23:25:04 +0200, tonnie <t.pr...@chello.nl>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul schreef:
>>>>> On 1 Aug 2006 06:42:38 -0700, bi...@polarbearoutfitters.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred has been taking care of my web sites since 1999.
>>>>> So your site should at least be PR7 or 8 by now, yes ?
>>>> Why?
>>> 7 years online ? good webmaster would have gotten that site way above
>>> PR4.
>> If you are merely focusing on PR you haven't got a clue about what realy
>> matters.
>
> A few years back PR did matter more IMO, so a site that has been under
> severe SEO since 1999 *might* have had at some point at least a PR6.
It did, and a site *could* have reached a PR6, if he/she even would have
worked hard enough to raise it, it could well have reached a PR9.
> OTOH, it depends a lot on the site itself: some sites can do very well (as
> in making money) with a handful of low PR links (and hence the PR of the
> site itself might be low). Others will hardly make money with a PR of 7
> :-D and thousands of daily visitors.
It is all about the site itself. It realy depends on what you try to
reach with the site. If you want high PR, need links from sites that
deliver visitors (read customers), get your kicks out of being well
known etc.
PR is not important anymore and never should be the goal of your game.
Again my own site as an example, as any one can see it is on the net for
several years now and doing well. But has only, or better i made it that
way, a PR3 for the main page and a PR4 for some important pages. I
distributed the PR throughout the site. Thus gaining a broader base,
more pages to build on.
Next to that the site has 4 or 5 main themes, that have almost nothing
to do with each other, at first sight. All doing well.
So it should have had a PR7 or even an PR8? But it still has a PR3 and i
am happy with it. Does this mean i didn't do my job as an SEO? I don't
think so. ;)
> Few years back two sites of mine had a PR of 7. All it took me to get that
> was taking a few pictures of a plastic toy animal, firing up Xara, and
> making a logo for GNU :-D.
Fired up the linking machine didn't you? Come on be honest. :-D
Big Bill
wrote:
>
>Fired up the linking machine didn't you? Come on be honest. :-D
tonnie your English is getting a lot better.
tonnie
> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:30:32 +0200, tonnie <t.pr...@chello.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> Fired up the linking machine didn't you? Come on be honest. :-D
>
> tonnie your English is getting a lot better.
If i keep posting and reading for a while, i hope it gets to the level
it used to be, way back in school.
Best wishes,
Tonnie
(feeling old)
Stacey
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> Big Bill schreef:
>> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:30:32 +0200, tonnie <t.pr...@chello.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Fired up the linking machine didn't you? Come on be honest. :-D
>>
>> tonnie your English is getting a lot better.
>
> If i keep posting and reading for a while, i hope it gets to the level it
> used to be, way back in school.
Tonnie you are doing great. The most important thing I think is if you
undertsnd it and can speak it. Which is a lot easier than writing.
> Best wishes,
>
> Tonnie
> (feeling old)
Aren't we all.:-)
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Big Bill
<Remove-th...@staceyssimplestuff.com> wrote:
>"tonnie" <t.pr...@chello.nl> wrote in message
>news:4jsf4tF...@individual.net...
>> Big Bill schreef:
>>> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:30:32 +0200, tonnie <t.pr...@chello.nl>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fired up the linking machine didn't you? Come on be honest. :-D
>>>
>>> tonnie your English is getting a lot better.
>>
>> If i keep posting and reading for a while, i hope it gets to the level it
>> used to be, way back in school.
>
>Tonnie you are doing great. The most important thing I think is if you
>undertsnd it and can speak it. Which is a lot easier than writing.
Now maybe you can teach Stacey!
Stacey
news:3d2id2dabqso917fa...@4ax.com...<snip>
>>
>>Tonnie you are doing great. The most important thing I think is if you
>>undertsnd it and can speak it. Which is a lot easier than writing.
>
> Now maybe you can teach Stacey!
As long as he can teach you to snip!!!!
Paul
ROFL
John Bokma
> Big Bill schreef:
>> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:30:32 +0200, tonnie <t.pr...@chello.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Fired up the linking machine didn't you? Come on be honest. :-D
>>
>> tonnie your English is getting a lot better.
>
> If i keep posting and reading for a while, i hope it gets to the level
> it used to be, way back in school.
Practicing does help a lot, and reading back replies, unless ur using the
wng medium!111111!!!
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David
wrote:
>PR is not important anymore and never should be the goal of your game.
PR is still important.
>Again my own site as an example, as any one can see it is on the net for
>several years now and doing well. But has only, or better i made it that
>way, a PR3 for the main page and a PR4 for some important pages. I
>distributed the PR throughout the site. Thus gaining a broader base,
>more pages to build on.
That tells us nothing, how many visitors does the site get a day and
what industry?
From the above info I can tell you if you are doing well for that
industry.
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Big Bill
<seo...@search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk> wrote:
>On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:30:32 +0200, tonnie <t.pr...@chello.nl>
>wrote:
>
>>PR is not important anymore and never should be the goal of your game.
>
>PR is still important.
>
>>Again my own site as an example, as any one can see it is on the net for
>>several years now and doing well. But has only, or better i made it that
>>way, a PR3 for the main page and a PR4 for some important pages. I
>>distributed the PR throughout the site. Thus gaining a broader base,
>>more pages to build on.
>
>That tells us nothing, how many visitors does the site get a day and
>what industry?
That's not the picture at all. How many visitors are there because
they want the service offered and convert?
>From the above info I can tell you if you are doing well for that
>industry.
Tonnie'll no doubt be hugely relieved that, at last, someone can tell
him if he's doing well or not.
Hey Dave, here's your page full of bullshit
http://www.morearnings.com/2006/07/17/seo-consultant-ranking/
and here's a breath of air from the real world;
http://66.249.93.104/search?q=seo+consultant&hl=en&lr=&start=20&sa=N
gee, Maybe I better call Dave, huh, see if I'm doing well in my
industry...
John Bokma
> John Bokma schreef:
[..]
>> A few years back PR did matter more IMO, so a site that has been
>> under severe SEO since 1999 *might* have had at some point at least a
>> PR6.
>
> It did, and a site *could* have reached a PR6, if he/she even would
> have worked hard enough to raise it, it could well have reached a PR9.
PR9 takes more then just SEO I am afraid. There must also be a very good
reason to link to that site.
I am afraid that even PR8 is (and was) quite hard (still not there :-)
).
Is there an estimate of the number of PR10, PR9 sites (PR8 is probably
quite a big list)
>> OTOH, it depends a lot on the site itself: some sites can do very
>> well (as in making money) with a handful of low PR links (and hence
>> the PR of the site itself might be low). Others will hardly make
>> money with a PR of 7
>> :-D and thousands of daily visitors.
>
> It is all about the site itself.
IMO mostly about the hype/marketing surrounding it for the big ones. I
mean, MySpace is a huge collection of crap. Everytime a friend (ha ha)
asks me to have a peek at his/her MySpace I make sure I don't do it an
hour before or after dinner :-D
> It realy depends on what you try to
> reach with the site.
True. There are plenty of people who can have 2x more visitors, don't
care, or even have a very good reason for not wanting more :-D
> If you want high PR, need links from sites that
> deliver visitors (read customers), get your kicks out of being well
> known etc.
>
> PR is not important anymore and never should be the goal of your game.
I hear that a lot, yet I have the feeling that PR still plays a role,
but less clearly visible since it can be easily abused, and hence many
other ingredients play /together/ a much more significant role.
Even if it had no role in SEO at all (which is not true IMO), it still
is seen by many as a mark of quality.
> Again my own site as an example, as any one can see it is on the net
> for several years now and doing well. But has only, or better i made
> it that way, a PR3 for the main page and a PR4 for some important
> pages. I distributed the PR throughout the site. Thus gaining a
> broader base, more pages to build on.
Yes, it might be the reason why I still haven't an 8 :-) Anyway, I
agree, its important to have a good internal link set up. I know I could
improve mine here and there, but writing content is easier, and still
has the highest priority (next is tweaking of existing content).
> Next to that the site has 4 or 5 main themes, that have almost nothing
> to do with each other, at first sight. All doing well.
Stacey once said that mine is about everything but the kitchen sink (the
latter might change soon, since today I had to fix another thing in the
house, and who knows what's next, it might be the kitchen sink :-D ).
> So it should have had a PR7 or even an PR8?
IMO a PR7 should make things easier for you, and a PR8 even more.
> But it still has a PR3 and
> i am happy with it. Does this mean i didn't do my job as an SEO? I
> don't think so. ;)
Yet, like I said, some people will measure you by your PR. It's like an
IQ measurement. IQ just tells how good you are at solving certain
problems. It doesn't say anything about how long you live, how much
money you are going to make, or even if you are going to be good at your
job.
>> Few years back two sites of mine had a PR of 7. All it took me to get
>> that was taking a few pictures of a plastic toy animal, firing up
>> Xara, and making a logo for GNU :-D.
>
> Fired up the linking machine didn't you? Come on be honest. :-D
I made the logo to get a link [1], yes. But I learned much (!) later
what PR was, and that both my sites had 7 :-D
[1] Also, it's not bad to get a link as a programmer, on an OS related
site. Instead of spending hours hacking code, I decided to draw a logo,
and by that way I proved that I am an excellent programmer, since
excellent programmers prefer to do as little work as possible :-D.
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John Bokma
> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:30:32 +0200, tonnie <t.pr...@chello.nl>
> wrote:
>
>>PR is not important anymore and never should be the goal of your game.
>
> PR is still important.
>
>>Again my own site as an example, as any one can see it is on the net for
>>several years now and doing well. But has only, or better i made it that
>>way, a PR3 for the main page and a PR4 for some important pages. I
>>distributed the PR throughout the site. Thus gaining a broader base,
>>more pages to build on.
>
> That tells us nothing, how many visitors does the site get a day and
> what industry?
Links in sig :-)
> From the above info I can tell you if you are doing well for that
> industry.
BTW, out of curiosity, did you find your sites back in the AOL set? I am
trying to get a short list of AOL rank (# occurences for a given domain in
that set), traffic rank (Alexa), and est. # daily visitors (See AOL rank
thread).
For example, I am quite sure that AOL users and Alexa users have a small
overlap. One wonders where Google users are, I would say 20% AOL, 80%
Alexa (just made those numbers up, of course). Or: The AOL set should be
taken with quite some salt and a lemon :-D.
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David
>BTW, out of curiosity, did you find your sites back in the AOL set? I am
>trying to get a short list of AOL rank (# occurences for a given domain in
>that set), traffic rank (Alexa), and est. # daily visitors (See AOL rank
>thread).
I've downloaded the data, but not looked yet. When I do I'll post what
I find for the two sites I have that get the most visitors. I doubt it
will be helpful though as it's all down to luck, do toolbar users
visit your site or not.
If the sampling was large enough your main site and my two best ones
should have similar figures as they have similar traffic, but I bet
they won't.
Actually you can look yourself if you like-
http://www.classic-literature.co.uk/ this month around 11,000 visitors
a day (down a little, summer holidays).
July - 12661
June - 13781
May - 14212
April - 12901
http://www.free-recipes.co.uk/ this month around 8,500 visitors a day.
July - 9876
June - 9967
May - 8688
April - 7936
Here's another one, not great traffic.
http://www.seo-gold.com/ this month around 450 visitors a day.
July - 613
June - 635
May - 554
April - 562
One more-
http://www.jules-verne.co.uk/ this month around 1,500 visitors a day.
July - 980 (registrar screwed up and was down 4 days and caused a big
problem for about two weeks!!)
June - 1961
May - 1641
April - 1820
David
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David
wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 04:52:25 GMT, David
><seo...@search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:30:32 +0200, tonnie <t.pr...@chello.nl>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>PR is not important anymore and never should be the goal of your game.
>>
>>PR is still important.
>>
>>>Again my own site as an example, as any one can see it is on the net for
>>>several years now and doing well. But has only, or better i made it that
>>>way, a PR3 for the main page and a PR4 for some important pages. I
>>>distributed the PR throughout the site. Thus gaining a broader base,
>>>more pages to build on.
>>
>>That tells us nothing, how many visitors does the site get a day and
>>what industry?
>
>That's not the picture at all. How many visitors are there because
>they want the service offered and convert?
Err, no because conversion is based on quality of content, branding,
trust of the site etc... and that is difficult to quantify. We can
quantify how well a site is doing in an industry though, I've posted
some stats in this thread, some good some not so good. The SEO Gold
one would be what I'd consider below average for the industry, so what
traffic does your SEO site get bill?
I bet he's to embarrassed to say (I know it used to be 40 visitors a
day which was very low for a site of that age!).
>>From the above info I can tell you if you are doing well for that
>>industry.
>
>Tonnie'll no doubt be hugely relieved that, at last, someone can tell
>him if he's doing well or not.
Clearly you don't understand the concept that some industries don't
have a great deal of traffic, so comparing different types of sites to
see who is best at SEO isn't that helpful you have to compare similar
or take the difference in industry into account. In some niches you
are doing well to get 300 visitors a day, others you are barely making
a dent in the traffic available at 2,000.
You'd know this if you built more sites in other industries.
>Hey Dave, here's your page full of bullshit
>
>http://www.morearnings.com/2006/07/17/seo-consultant-ranking/
>
>and here's a breath of air from the real world;
Say why it's bull shit bill, like I say your PageRank apple page is
total rubbish because of reasons I set out here-
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.internet.search-engines/browse_thread/thread/747919bea303f35b/a645c5a27505cfeb?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#a645c5a27505cfeb
>http://66.249.93.104/search?q=seo+consultant&hl=en&lr=&start=20&sa=N
Number 11 for a SERP like that isn't in the money, how much traffic
does it give you each day or month bill?
I would say around 2 visitors a day if you are lucky, is that really
something to brag about to potential clients! Oh look at me, I have a
top 20 SERP that gets my site 2 visitors a day, aren't you impressed!
Get it to top 5 and I'll be a little impressed.
>gee, Maybe I better call Dave, huh, see if I'm doing well in my
>industry...
I only give advice by email and I doubt you can afford me.
>BB
David
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Sam
>
> Actually you can look yourself if you like-
>
> http://www.classic-literature.co.uk/ this month around 11,000 visitors
> a day (down a little, summer holidays).
>
>
> David
> --
It's amazing, according to wordtracker the entire 'classic literature'
serp gets 161 visitors per day which means you get more visitors to your
one classic literature site then the entire serp gets. How do you do it?
Jezsta Web Productions
news:ficpd2leqv3eerr79...@4ax.com...<snip>
>>That's not the picture at all. How many visitors are there because
>>they want the service offered and convert?
>
> Err, no because conversion is based on quality of content, branding,
> trust of the site etc... and that is difficult to quantify. We can
> quantify how well a site is doing in an industry though, I've posted
> some stats in this thread, some good some not so good. The SEO Gold
> one would be what I'd consider below average for the industry, so what
> traffic does your SEO site get bill?
> I bet he's to embarrassed to say (I know it used to be 40 visitors a
> day which was very low for a site of that age!).
Hey Jezsta got almost 5 times that amount yesterday. Plus half of those were
loooking at the SEO packages.:-) Not good amount of visits, but not bad for
a new site.
<Snip>
>
> I only give advice by email and I doubt you can afford me.
I will give advice over the phone if someone wants to have advice like that,
a less formal approach so people can related better at times. I have done it
with my other business and some people prefer it that way.
One has to know how to get long distance phone calls cheap. I don't pay
anything but a monthly fee.
John Bokma
> On 9 Aug 2006 06:49:15 GMT, John Bokma <jo...@castleamber.com> wrote:
>
>>BTW, out of curiosity, did you find your sites back in the AOL set? I
>>am trying to get a short list of AOL rank (# occurences for a given
>>domain in that set), traffic rank (Alexa), and est. # daily visitors
>>(See AOL rank thread).
>
> I've downloaded the data, but not looked yet. When I do I'll post what
> I find for the two sites I have that get the most visitors. I doubt it
> will be helpful though as it's all down to luck, do toolbar users
> visit your site or not.
Yes, I am aware of that :-). I have a strong feeling that Google users and
AOL users don't overlap, and most people probably get their majority of SE
traffic via Google. AOL users might be less technical etc. Most people
here will be aware of that, but I guess there will be a majority out there
that take the AOL data als king Solomon's mine :-D.
If I have time later, I'll check.
Thanks.
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John Bokma
David doesn't focus on 1 SERP (would be stupid). Also WordTracker is just
a sample from a few small SE's. As I have said very often in the past,
take it with a huge grain of salt, not as the absolute truth.
If you doubt me, analyze the AOL data, and compare it with wordtracker.
You will be amazed.
Also, read a bit more up in the thread, and see how Alexa traffic rank and
AOL rank match up (they really don't).
Finally, even if we all could see Google's actual search data, it still
can't be used for comparing sites. Some sites rely for 90% of their
traffic on Google, others for 50%. So all that: hey, wordtracker says x,
so you have x visitors a day max via Google for that SERP is like
predicting the second coming by my shoe size.
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John Bokma
> Hey Jezsta got almost 5 times that amount yesterday. Plus half of
> those were loooking at the SEO packages.:-) Not good amount of visits,
> but not bad for a new site.
I guess quite some people here checked out the site (I did) and clicked on
the links posted earlier :-)
> One has to know how to get long distance phone calls cheap. I don't
> pay anything but a monthly fee.
VOIPbuster ( http://www.voipbuster.com/ ). I paid 10 euro for 6 months and
could call free with several countries, including Mexico :-D.
Moreover, a lot of people probably have Skype or MSN Messenger.
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Jezsta Web Productions
With other SERPs other than classic literature of course.:-)
Jezsta Web Productions
news:Xns981C85392F...@130.133.1.4...
> "Jezsta Web Productions" <Jezz...@jezsta.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Jezsta got almost 5 times that amount yesterday. Plus half of
>> those were loooking at the SEO packages.:-) Not good amount of visits,
>> but not bad for a new site.
>
> I guess quite some people here checked out the site (I did) and clicked on
> the links posted earlier :-)
Yeah, I seen the ones from here. I made that as a joke as most of them came
from here. At least 20 went back a few times.;-) I can only count at least
20 yesterday was actual visitors looking for SEO.
Well thanks for stopping by, I stop by yours every so often to get rewrite
tips. Or when every you send us to a link.:-)
>> One has to know how to get long distance phone calls cheap. I don't
>> pay anything but a monthly fee.
>
> VOIPbuster ( http://www.voipbuster.com/ ). I paid 10 euro for 6 months and
> could call free with several countries, including Mexico :-D.
>
> Moreover, a lot of people probably have Skype or MSN Messenger.
Yeah, there are a lot of choices out there. I used Vonyage, I have 2 phone
#'s for the states with area codes with 502 and 413, and my family can call
me for free because of those area codes.
My German phone 69-72 euro for internet also, which has a plan for long
distance also, and all the local call everywhere is included. Which is
expensive but not like it use to counting each little click.:-) But we the
plan as the internet can go down and then if I have to be reached I can with
the German phone.:-)
canadafred
attack on my character, my ethics and my SEO techniques. A vicious
assault is still atking place and turns its ugly head in many damaging
directions to me, to the co-conspirators and to the industry of SEO as
a whole.
I would like to point out that the email posted by Billy, as a
desperation measure of mine in an effort to terminate embarassing
discusions about me online.
As I needed and did mention that I worked Billy's text to suit the need
some of the contents within are my own words. I particularly addressing
those written about my Quebec experience. They of course interpret it a
completely way. Their final verdict of me if that I contributed nothing
to their business success. They don't make for a good reference and I
should not have included them in this response. That was not a good
marketing decision on my part, it was not well-though out.
So, I apologize for any inconvenience I amy have cause them. Again I
found my ass backed into a corner like a spider and tried to spin my
own web to get my ass out of that posting. That strategy wasn't the
best one.
for those that haven't a clue what I'm talking about, the fight against
me and a bunch of SEO groupies is taking place
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.internet.search-engines/browse_frm/thread/6994d7cf6e1be47d/e6b254f8beeb1e20#e6b254f8beeb1e20
You should be able to catch up on events from that point.
You can have a look at my final stand with these SEO punks here as
well:
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/2006/08/fact-fabricating-seo-experts.html
Jezsta Web Productions
news:1155321569.6...@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I would like to point out that the email posted by Billy, as a
> desperation measure of mine in an effort to terminate embarassing
> discusions about me online.
It wasn't an email, this is the Usenet. I would also like to point out if
someone looks at the registry of the domains they will see Billy's address
is the same as Fred's. Now, I didn't mention this before in this thread. But
thought it needed to be pointed out also.
John Bokma
> "John Bokma" <jo...@castleamber.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns981C85392F...@130.133.1.4...
>> "Jezsta Web Productions" <Jezz...@jezsta.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Jezsta got almost 5 times that amount yesterday. Plus half of
>>> those were loooking at the SEO packages.:-) Not good amount of
>>> visits, but not bad for a new site.
>>
>> I guess quite some people here checked out the site (I did) and
>> clicked on the links posted earlier :-)
>
> Yeah, I seen the ones from here. I made that as a joke as most of them
> came from here. At least 20 went back a few times.;-) I can only count
> at least 20 yesterday was actual visitors looking for SEO.
That's very good!
> Well thanks for stopping by, I stop by yours every so often to get
> rewrite tips. Or when every you send us to a link.:-)
Thanks.
>>> One has to know how to get long distance phone calls cheap. I don't
>>> pay anything but a monthly fee.
>>
>> VOIPbuster ( http://www.voipbuster.com/ ). I paid 10 euro for 6
>> months and could call free with several countries, including Mexico
>> :-D.
>>
>> Moreover, a lot of people probably have Skype or MSN Messenger.
>
> Yeah, there are a lot of choices out there. I used Vonyage, I have 2
> phone #'s for the states with area codes with 502 and 413, and my
> family can call me for free because of those area codes.
>
> My German phone 69-72 euro for internet also, which has a plan for
> long distance also, and all the local call everywhere is included.
> Which is expensive but not like it use to counting each little
> click.:-) But we the plan as the internet can go down and then if I
> have to be reached I can with the German phone.:-)
With VOIP buster, I have a free phone number in the Netherlands :-) People
in the Netherlands pay local costs, so it's easier to call all the way to
Mexico for them.
Jezsta Web Productions
>> Yeah, I seen the ones from here. I made that as a joke as most of them
>> came from here. At least 20 went back a few times.;-) I can only count
>> at least 20 yesterday was actual visitors looking for SEO.
>
> That's very good!
Be better if all 20 turned into clients.:-) It is easier on a new site to
what the stats and pages viewed with the IP's on such a small traffic pull.
I do that on other sites also that are low traffic that I have. Like to see
what country and state they come form. People search differently in
different countries. How they put their keywords in order is what I mean.
>> Well thanks for stopping by, I stop by yours every so often to get
>> rewrite tips. Or when every you send us to a link.:-)
>
> Thanks.
NP.
If I have any people inquiring or Perl scripts or something else technical
like stuff I will send them your way.:-)
<snip>
>> My German phone 69-72 euro for internet also, which has a plan for
>> long distance also, and all the local call everywhere is included.
>> Which is expensive but not like it use to counting each little
>> click.:-) But we the plan as the internet can go down and then if I
>> have to be reached I can with the German phone.:-)
>
> With VOIP buster, I have a free phone number in the Netherlands :-) People
> in the Netherlands pay local costs, so it's easier to call all the way to
> Mexico for them.
Pretty cool huh, better than feeling like you should own stock in a phone
company years ago when you had to take a 2nd mortgage just to call
internationally from Europe.
When we lived in the UK my oldest 2 hated paying for their calls that I made
them do past a certain limit. Jen found out that calling mobiles wasn't
cheap. :-) She usually ran past her monthly limit I let them have for not
paying quite a bit. I always wondered how people can talked for over 2 hours
sometime, my ears get sore after 20 minutes(10 min. each ear) . :-)
Big Bill
Apparently, then, checking with mine, the second coming will be a
broad UK size 12. Cuban heels, too.
Big Bill
wrote:
>This posting by an innocent Internet hopeful sparked a jealous driven
>attack on my character, my ethics and my SEO techniques. A vicious
>assault is still atking place and turns its ugly head in many damaging
>directions to me, to the co-conspirators and to the industry of SEO as
>a whole.
Um.
>I would like to point out that the email posted by Billy, as a
>desperation measure of mine in an effort to terminate embarassing
>discusions about me online.
>
>As I needed and did mention that I worked Billy's text to suit the need
>some of the contents within are my own words.
Oh dear Fred - you made your recommendation up? The one testimonial
you presented in your defence and you wrote it yourself?
> I particularly addressing
>those written about my Quebec experience. They of course interpret it a
>completely way. Their final verdict of me if that I contributed nothing
>to their business success. They don't make for a good reference and I
>should not have included them in this response. That was not a good
>marketing decision on my part, it was not well-though out.
Much like a lot of what you've been posting lately. Perhaps a period
of quiet reflection is called for here. By both parties.
tonnie
> Much like a lot of what you've been posting lately. Perhaps a period
> of quiet reflection is called for here. By both parties.
That should have happend a long time ago. I, speaking for myselve, am
fed up with it.
Jezsta Web Productions
>>I would like to point out that the email posted by Billy, as a
>>desperation measure of mine in an effort to terminate embarassing
>>discusions about me online.
>>
>>As I needed and did mention that I worked Billy's text to suit the need
>>some of the contents within are my own words.
>
> Oh dear Fred - you made your recommendation up? The one testimonial
> you presented in your defence and you wrote it yourself?
Yes, and no one was attacking him in this thread - I had noticed the IP's
were the same(although that don't make a difference at time's) But in this
instance it did. I kept quite here. I had a feeling it was him. I told 2
people I thought that.
This comes from someone who is fighting for ethics Bill. Something that I
wanted to show he wasn't.
<snip>
>Much like a lot of what you've been posting lately. Perhaps a period
>of quiet reflection is called for here. By both parties.
Sorry, Bill but I have pretty much been quite all day but for 2 posts to his
the rest have been to you and John in regards to this. So, if you were tired
of it then you shouldn't have asked questions in the thread.
I apologize only that many are getting tired of it, or some aren't. All they
have to do is ignore it, real simple to do. This is the Usenet.
John Bokma
> Apparently, then, checking with mine, the second coming will be a
> broad UK size 12. Cuban heels, too.
Then I woke up...
canadafred
canadafred
Big Bill wrote:
> Oh dear Fred - you made your recommendation up? The one testimonial
> you presented in your defence and you wrote it yourself?
This bitch Stacey immediately says
"What would be your need to know? Plus are you looking for some SEO or
what?"
I had to do something. I know the bitch is up to sonmething sneaky. I
got billy to tell me basically something to say and I put it all
together and sent it out. we are busy here you know. I or billy haven't
the time to teach him Usenet. This was damage control gone wrong.
everything else since is derived from the failed damage control plan as
they started checking the domain histories and it opened me up to all
this. the basis of their planned attack is rooted is my additions.
I would however like to note, my potential client
"That's funny enough, but seriously, wrong section to post in maybe,
but
my partner and I were looking for feedback on Fred and his work because
we like him so far. Anyways, we had a bad (really bad) time with our
web designer, so I have to ask. thanks "
made an innocent mistake, she didn't get my instructions right and
posted on this Usenet group rather than my GoogleGroups, this all
really started by an innocent mistake
I would like to also point out that I used the /.. revised to correct
spelling and grammar .../ weakly I should have been more inclusive to
include that I agdded other examples and opinions about my work to make
it a more complete ans give it a little marketing flair, but that would
have been like saying that I wrote this up myself so I decided to
exonerate myself with the smaller version. Hopefully we can leave the
judging of the ethics of that in the hands of God and not Stacey and
her compatriots of ocean crossing school bullies.
these domain have never been mine, not will they ever be, that is an
undisputed fact. anyone can verify that.
there appears to be some evidence to indicate otherwise but it still
does not dispute the underlying fact that these domain are not and
never have been mine
what boggles my mind is that, what if these were mine. why the
relentless and viciousness of the repeated attacks and angles and
public ridicule. the only answer is because they are evil people. even
if these were my domains why the destrcuction of my reputation is their
goal. Sure, I involved my past and present clients in a letter of
reference, that gives them permission to exploit it against me for all
its worth. Not only that, I lost the client now, my main new client is
worried and I'm in big at my work because this fucking shit is getting
to them to. these extortionist are going to write me a letter of
apology. that is my stand with arseholes like that who fucked a little
bit too much with me
these types of SEOs are as bad as the blackest of hats not necessarily
in code but in ways of greed driven obsessions making them equal to
black hats in my mine's eye. black hats like these
http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/2006/08/fact-fabricating-seo-experts.html
dwell essentially in evil people
the jealousy enraged conspiring evildooers can not accept another's
success and in these case, these three villains can't imagine me every
succeeding in this business and seek to destroy me and will forever
more
I fought and gave up and I fought and gave up. In this game already was
my defeat. Wounded they repeatedly kicked me when I was down. Defeated
and crying "I will not drink! These sunsabitches are gonna' put mails
in their own coffins too." I will die sober before I'll ever surrender
again to these vicious monsters
Jezsta Web Productions
>
> Big Bill wrote:
Those on the group please accept my apologies for posting to this. But the
defamation and libel must stop.
>> Oh dear Fred - you made your recommendation up? The one testimonial
>> you presented in your defense and you wrote it yourself?
>
> This bitch Stacey immediately says
>
> "What would be your need to know? Plus are you looking for some SEO or
> what?"
Yeah, this posted it after I got your email about your agenda for this
group. Remember that email about you talking how you might go to jail
shortly for beating up or fighting with the cops . Then I was being nice as
I didn't know if this person was wanting to know about your sordid past you
told me about Fred! But now I can see it, and feel you may be totally
insane! You need some help badly.
You emailed me on the 31st of July. Then this person writes here for a
recommendation on the 1st of August. Which you told this person to do. Then
you faked your recommendation. Talk about a setup huh Fred. Yep, the next
day. Then your acting and stating I am all nervous someone will say
something vicious. It did not happen!!!
Need I also state that you mentioned me in your blog on the 5th before I
said anything about the sites you owned.
> I had to do something. I know the bitch is up to something sneaky. I
> got billy to tell me basically something to say and I put it all
> together and sent it out. we are busy here you know. I or billy haven't
> the time to teach him Usenet. This was damage control gone wrong.
What a load BS. Sorry Fred, no one made you lie and deceive. You did that on
your own. Don't try to blame anyone for what you did. You did it. Not only
that your profanity and everything else you have cause is quite a lot just
for someone exposing the truth on you. You viscously drug Dave and Jez into
this and probably would have anyone else who would disagree with you.
In fact the only ones that you think are after you are ones that disagree
with you. jJst because I have always disagreed with you, you always thought
I was after you. Plus, because I found out stuff about you, you think that
is an attack. I have been in a lot of arguments here. I have even apologized
to some of those people, and a pact is still going pretty good. But I bet
there may be another time we will duke it out or not. Never during those
did I or any of them do what you have done. The profanity and name calling,
total libel and defamation.
> everything else since is derived from the failed damage control plan as
> they started checking the domain histories and it opened me up to all
> this. the basis of their planned attack is rooted is my additions.
Oh, boy you really can think them up can't you. The domain histories needed
to be looked at to see who owns the domains, it is done a lot(checking
domains in the Whois) not only to you. Plus you changed the registrar them
after I posted the domains. I do not know what world you live in but in this
one that is unethical.
Planned attack? Fred you have been claiming for months that you don't need
links telling people not to get links. That you do not manipulate with
links. Fact is you did and had been all a long!
Now you are thinking that because of this( this recommendation inquiry) the
attack was done? Fred you need some help, stop doing SEO the stress is
getting to you. No one wants you to go postal or anything. I am serious, I
feel you may have gone over the edge.
<snip>
> made an innocent mistake, she didn't get my instructions right and
> posted on this Usenet group rather than my GoogleGroups, this all
> really started by an innocent mistake
#1 you should never send clients to do something like that to make yourself
look good. That is unethical. And if she posted on your Group how was she
going to get an answer there? You are the only member there BTW. Phew, Fred
I can't understand you.
> I would like to also point out that I used the /.. revised to correct
> spelling and grammar .../ weakly I should have been more inclusive to
> include that I agdded other examples and opinions about my work to make
> it a more complete ans give it a little marketing flair, but that would
> have been like saying that I wrote this up myself so I decided to
> exonerate myself with the smaller version. Hopefully we can leave the
> judging of the ethics of that in the hands of God and not Stacey and
> her compatriots of ocean crossing school bullies.
Fred, sorry it is unethical and anyone that thinks what you did isn't please
come and say so. If fact what you did was the lowest thing I could see
anyone doing is faking a recommendation on a NG. It just shows evryone how
far you go to lie and try to appear you are the best.
> these domain have never been mine, not will they ever be, that is an
> undisputed fact. anyone can verify that.
Anyone can verify that you were the owner before the 10th . Sorry Fred it is
in the history. Again I don't know who you are trying to kid but you were
the owner. Probably still, just under a different name.
> there appears to be some evidence to indicate otherwise but it still
> does not dispute the underlying fact that these domain are not and
> never have been mine
There is evidence it is in the records.
> what boggles my mind is that, what if these were mine. why the
> relentless and viciousness of the repeated attacks and angles and
> public ridicule. the only answer is because they are evil people. even
> if these were my domains why the destrcuction of my reputation is their
> goal.
Your destruction was done by you and you alone. You set out to destroy
others who get in your way and disagree with you. The answer why is above.
And been repeatedly stated here in the group.
Again you have stated here, elsewhere on forums, your website, your blog
and who knows else where that you do not use any type of manipulation with
links. You tell newbies to not worry about gaining links, use internal links
that they are the same as external (wrong BTW) etc. What you did was
unethical.
>Sure, I involved my past and present clients in a letter of
> reference, that gives them permission to exploit it against me for all
> its worth. Not only that, I lost the client now, my main new client is
> worried and I'm in big at my work because this fucking shit is getting
> to them to. these extortionist are going to write me a letter of
> apology. that is my stand with arseholes like that who fucked a little
> bit too much with me
Dude how is it getting to them? I refuse to apologize. I have done nothing
wrong. BTW you need to learn what extortion is. If you have lost any clients
it is because they seen how you react. Very unprofessional.
<snip the rest of the defamation banter>
Fred get some help now. Check yourself in before it is to late.
Also you need to stop the defamation of character now. This is your *last*
warning. You will end up losing everything. Tomorrow I will turn you in to
the Competition Bureau of Ca., I can't get to see the lawyer until Tuesday
so this better be stopped. Although, I can still seek legal action for what
you have done already and written even if you do stop, but I will be nice
not to. Remember what I had brought forward was the truth and can be
proven. If all the stuff is still around on your blog and if you keep it up
here, you will be turned in tomorrow (later today it seems). As a reminder
yes Google has been notified. I can notify Yahoo and MSN also.
http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/internet/index.cfm?itemID=18&lg=e
False or misleading representations: When materially false or misleading
representations are made knowingly or recklessly to the public.
Stacey
Big Bill
wrote:
>
>Big Bill wrote:
>
>> Oh dear Fred - you made your recommendation up? The one testimonial
>> you presented in your defence and you wrote it yourself?
<snip crap>
Fred, go to Daniweb and stay there!
Big Bill
<Jezz...@jezsta.com> wrote:
>"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1155344030.6...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Big Bill wrote:
>
>Those on the group please accept my apologies for posting to this. But the
>defamation and libel must stop.
>
>>> Oh dear Fred - you made your recommendation up? The one testimonial
>>> you presented in your defense and you wrote it yourself?
>>
>> This bitch Stacey immediately says
>>
>> "What would be your need to know? Plus are you looking for some SEO or
>> what?"
>
>Yeah, this posted it after I got your email about your agenda for this
>group. Remember that email about you talking how you might go to jail
>shortly for beating up or fighting with the cops . Then I was being nice as
>I didn't know if this person was wanting to know about your sordid past you
>told me about Fred! But now I can see it, and feel you may be totally
>insane! You need some help badly.
You only just worked that one out?
<snip load of crap from Stacey too>
Enough of this already! From both if you!
Paul
wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:05:43 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
><Jezz...@jezsta.com> wrote:
>
>>"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1155344030.6...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> Big Bill wrote:
>>
>>Those on the group please accept my apologies for posting to this. But the
>>defamation and libel must stop.
>>
>>>> Oh dear Fred - you made your recommendation up? The one testimonial
>>>> you presented in your defense and you wrote it yourself?
>>>
>>> This bitch Stacey immediately says
>>>
>>> "What would be your need to know? Plus are you looking for some SEO or
>>> what?"
>>
>>Yeah, this posted it after I got your email about your agenda for this
>>group. Remember that email about you talking how you might go to jail
>>shortly for beating up or fighting with the cops . Then I was being nice as
>>I didn't know if this person was wanting to know about your sordid past you
>>told me about Fred! But now I can see it, and feel you may be totally
>>insane! You need some help badly.
>
>You only just worked that one out?
>
><snip load of crap from Stacey too>
>
>Enough of this already! From both if you!
>
>BB
Only if you BB promise to snip all postings properly from now on.
Sounds like a fair deal.
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David
wrote:
>these types of SEOs are as bad as the blackest of hats not necessarily
>in code but in ways of greed driven obsessions making them equal to
>black hats in my mine's eye. black hats like these
>http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/2006/08/fact-fabricating-seo-experts.html
>dwell essentially in evil people
Is that a picture of me on the left Fred?
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3204/2189/400/SEO-experts.png
I'm so cute :-))
David
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David
<Jezz...@jezsta.com> wrote:
>> these domain have never been mine, not will they ever be, that is an
>> undisputed fact. anyone can verify that.
>
>Anyone can verify that you were the owner before the 10th . Sorry Fred it is
>in the history. Again I don't know who you are trying to kid but you were
>the owner. Probably still, just under a different name.
If you think the whois info is false you can make a report and the
domains can be seized. So if they are yours Fred (I've not looked at
the whois, no need as I take Stacey at her word) you should put a real
contact address etc... on them.
I almost lost my two most important .co.uk domains because the
registrar put their contact details on the whois when they screwed up
registering the domain years in advance (bunch of idiots did it with
all my .co.uk domains).
The domains had a period of suspension and I had to send in a proof of
address etc... and a signed declaration!!
David
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Jezsta Web Productions
> On 11 Aug 2006 17:53:50 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>these types of SEOs are as bad as the blackest of hats not necessarily
>>in code but in ways of greed driven obsessions making them equal to
>>black hats in my mine's eye. black hats like these
>>http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/2006/08/fact-fabricating-seo-experts.html
>>dwell essentially in evil people
>
> Is that a picture of me on the left Fred?
>
> http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3204/2189/400/SEO-experts.png
>
> I'm so cute :-))
That is what I thought what a cute image of us huh?
Stacey
Jezsta Web Productions
> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:05:43 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
> <Jezz...@jezsta.com> wrote:
>
>>"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1155344030.6...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> Big Bill wrote:
>>
>>Those on the group please accept my apologies for posting to this. But the
>>defamation and libel must stop.
>>
>>>> Oh dear Fred - you made your recommendation up? The one testimonial
>>>> you presented in your defense and you wrote it yourself?
>>>
>>> This bitch Stacey immediately says
>>>
>>> "What would be your need to know? Plus are you looking for some SEO or
>>> what?"
>>
>>Yeah, this posted it after I got your email about your agenda for this
>>group. Remember that email about you talking how you might go to jail
>>shortly for beating up or fighting with the cops . Then I was being nice
>>as
>>I didn't know if this person was wanting to know about your sordid past
>>you
>>told me about Fred! But now I can see it, and feel you may be totally
>>insane! You need some help badly.
>
> You only just worked that one out?
>
> <snip load of crap from Stacey too>
>
> Enough of this already! From both if you!
OK, but I had to warn him first Bill. He is the on creating libel and
defamation on his blog.
Stacey
Jezsta Web Productions
news:ebkeld$l9p$02$1...@news.t-online.com...
>He is the on creating libel and defamation on his blog.
Typo-He is creating libel and defamation on his blog.
Brain thinking to fast and mess up or to slow not enough coffee.:-)
Paul
I am confused by the term "wannabe blackhats"
I have never known Stacey or Jez to black hat or even want to.
plh
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> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:38:16 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
> <Jezz...@jezsta.com> wrote:
>
>>"David" <seo...@search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk> wrote in
>>message
>>news:lpdrd296tpjki66jn...@4ax.com...
>>> On 11 Aug 2006 17:53:50 -0700, "canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>these types of SEOs are as bad as the blackest of hats not necessarily
>>>>in code but in ways of greed driven obsessions making them equal to
>>>>black hats in my mine's eye. black hats like these
>>>>http://canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com/2006/08/fact-fabricating-seo-experts.html
>>>>dwell essentially in evil people
>>>
>>> Is that a picture of me on the left Fred?
>>>
>>> http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3204/2189/400/SEO-experts.png
>>>
>>> I'm so cute :-))
>>
>>That is what I thought what a cute image of us huh?
>>
>>Stacey
>>
> I am confused by the term "wannabe blackhats"
> I have never known Stacey or Jez to black hat or even want to.
Paul, because he claims we wannabee like him.:-) Still don't you like my
image, I think I am the cutest. OK, Jez is kind of cute with that little
tail.:-)
Paul
<Jezz...@jezsta.com> wrote:
[...]
>>>> http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3204/2189/400/SEO-experts.png
>>>>
>>>> I'm so cute :-))
>>>
>>>That is what I thought what a cute image of us huh?
>>>
>>>Stacey
>>>
>> I am confused by the term "wannabe blackhats"
>> I have never known Stacey or Jez to black hat or even want to.
>
>Paul, because he claims we wannabee like him.:-) Still don't you like my
>image, I think I am the cutest. OK, Jez is kind of cute with that little
>tail.:-)
That's not his tail ;)
>Stacey
Big Bill
<Jezz...@jezsta.com> wrote:
So what? Are you planning to sue his ISP? The only successful case of
this I heard of was when someone successfully sued Demon a while back
but they had to go through all sorts of rigmarole first. Have you
informed his ISP of what he's doing through their services and advised
them of your intent? You have to at least offer them the opportunity
to take his account away before you sue them. The complaining guy in
the Demon case did all of this and they just ignored him, as I recall.
You can't just sue people because you feel like it, there are
procedures. Court is supposed to be a last resort, not the first thing
you try.
Jezsta Web Productions
No I am not planning to sue the ISP. It isn't their fault, I am seeking a
lawyer's advice on Tuesday to also get legal letters made up. It isn't the
ISP that did the defamation. It is Fred who did it, the reason why the
person lost is because he sued the wrong person sort of speak. Yes, I have
told Google about the blog and other things. I get free legal advice being
in the Military as many times as I need it and get to use their services for
free. Which they can write a legal letter to have the stuff speeded up. They
will also advise me on where to go further.
I am turning him in to the Competition Bureau of Canada today, it is like
the FTC in the US. If you seen I warned him of this also.
Yes, court is a last resort. Most time though things are accomplished
without going to court. That is why I am doing everything before hand.
Stacey
Jez
Paul wrote:
> OK, Jez is kind of cute with that little
>>tail.:-)
>
>
> That's not his tail ;)
And it's not little ;-)
Big Bill
Anyway, a little Surrey goes a long way...
Jez
Big Bill wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:53:10 +0100, Jez <j....@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Paul wrote:
>>
>>>OK, Jez is kind of cute with that little
>>>
>>>>tail.:-)
>>>
>>>
>>>That's not his tail ;)
>>
>>And it's not little ;-)
>
>
> Anyway, a little Surrey goes a long way...
>
> BB
I'm not saying Surrey to anyone! Hear me? :D
Jez.
dcashley
understand what is going on, we can't follow the blogs and feel as if
something or some information is missing. Is this your e-mail? Am I
right in understanding that the people who previously supported Freds
work are now filled with animosity towards him? Lost. Thanks for your
time.
Stacey wrote:
> "dcashley" <dcas...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:1154401564.8...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > Hello Everyone,
> > Sorry if I posted this message multiple times, but I am not sure if I
> > did this correctly. (Newbie to posting questions, sorry)
> > Anyways, I would like to hear from anyone who has worked with Fred
> > Joly. Please post candidly. Looking forward to good news.
>
>
> What would be your need to know? Plus are you looking for some SEO or what?
>
> http://www.ecraftsonline.net/sell-your-crafts/
John Bokma
> Stacey, I'm sending e-mails to a few people, My partner and I don't
> understand what is going on, we can't follow the blogs and feel as if
> something or some information is missing. Is this your e-mail? Am I
> right in understanding that the people who previously supported Freds
> work are now filled with animosity towards him? Lost. Thanks for your
> time.
This is not email, and please don't top post. If you have no clue what top
posting is (IIRC I have told you several times before), Google for it, and
learn and stop wasting resources.
--
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dcashley
OK- I did as you asked and looked it up. I apologize for my
inexperience. This is not my genre. Anyway, I thought I was blogging
Stacey? But you were in the conversations as well, so you will do too.
My partner and I own a small Baby Linens company we started talking to
an SEO. There was negative feedback and we don't understand what was
going on. Do you know?Thanks for your time.
Jezsta Web Productions
<snip>
>
> OK- I did as you asked and looked it up. I apologize for my
> inexperience. This is not my genre. Anyway, I thought I was blogging
> Stacey? But you were in the conversations as well, so you will do too.
> My partner and I own a small Baby Linens company we started talking to
> an SEO. There was negative feedback and we don't understand what was
> going on. Do you know?Thanks for your time.
If you feel you need to contact us please use the contact form on our Jezsta
site.
Stacey
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John Bokma
> John Bokma wrote:
>> "dcashley" <dcas...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Stacey, I'm sending e-mails to a few people, My partner and I don't
>> > understand what is going on, we can't follow the blogs and feel as
>> > if something or some information is missing. Is this your e-mail?
>> > Am I right in understanding that the people who previously
>> > supported Freds work are now filled with animosity towards him?
>> > Lost. Thanks for your time.
>>
>> This is not email, and please don't top post. If you have no clue
>> what top posting is (IIRC I have told you several times before),
>> Google for it, and learn and stop wasting resources.
> OK- I did as you asked and looked it up. I apologize for my
> inexperience.
You should learn to use something before you start using it. If someone
inexperienced steps into a car, do you think he/she could be excused?
> This is not my genre. Anyway, I thought I was blogging
> Stacey?
This is nog a blog. More information on Usenet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
When replying always remove all lines that are no longer needed
(especially signatures).
Furthermore, to get the most of Usenet, don't use Google, but get a Usenet
account and use a good client.
> But you were in the conversations as well, so you will do too.
> My partner and I own a small Baby Linens company we started talking to
> an SEO. There was negative feedback and we don't understand what was
> going on. Do you know?Thanks for your time.
If you have a link, I can have a look at it.
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Paul
>You should learn to use something before you start using it. If someone
>inexperienced steps into a car, do you think he/she could be excused?
GW Bush is getting away with it. ;)
catherine yronwode
>
> <Jezz...@jezsta.com> wrote:
>
> >"canadafred" <canadi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >>
> >> "What would be your need to know? Plus are you looking for some SEO or
> >> what?"
> >
> >Yeah, this posted it after I got your email about your agenda for this
> >group. Remember that email about you talking how you might go to jail
> >shortly for beating up or fighting with the cops . Then I was being nice as
> >I didn't know if this person was wanting to know about your sordid past you
> >told me about Fred! But now I can see it, and feel you may be totally
> >insane! You need some help badly.
>
> You only just worked that one out?
>
> <snip load of crap from Stacey too>
>
> Enough of this already! From both if you!
>
> BB
I agree, Bill.
Stacey, you don't look good by dragging an obviously mentall ill person
through the wringer in public. This is not a schoolyard, where lines
like "seek help immediately" and "are you off your meds?" are used as
arch, cynical put-downs ("Hey, look at me, i took an Introduction to
Psych course!"). Canadafred is obviously suffering from strong feelings
of persecution. The issue is not just that he is calling you names --
the core here is is writing sadly paranoid things like:
> A vicious assault is still atking place and turns
> its ugly head in many damaging directions to me,
> to the co-conspirators and to the industry of SEO as
> a whole.
and
> I would like to point out that the email posted by
> Billy, as a desperation measure of mine in an effort
> to terminate embarassing discusions about me online.
and
> I found my ass backed into a corner like a spider
> and tried to spin my own web to get my ass out of
> that posting.
and
> for those that haven't a clue what I'm talking about,
> the fight against me and a bunch of SEO groupies is
> taking place
I cannot help but see a great deal of agitated and disordered thinking
in those extracts, as evidenced by the disordered grammar and syntax.
But you respond to the threat as if it were an organized charcter
assiassination plot, complete with legal threats. I think everyone here
who is used to dealing with logic, even in the abstract sense in which
it is used in programming and SEO, is aware that canadafred has crossed
a line that rational SEO experts do not cross.
Leave it, Stacey. You just look small running after him, extracting
every ounce of blood you can.
And canadafred, please, consider this: your lack of emotional stability
is not going to produce positive results in the professional realm, so
if you can, try to regain your equanimity and let us move on.
Cordially,
Patient cat, not exactly fond of emotional train wrecks.
Big Bill
wrote:
If the SEO in question was Fred I doubt anyone here would describe him
as being up to anything much at the moment. If you're set on using
Fred, my advice would be that you give him a few months to recuperate,
he's apparently not been too well lately. If you just need an SEO,
there's plenty more available.
Big Bill
Much the same as the incoherent prose we've seen from him all along.
Except worse.
>But you respond to the threat as if it were an organized charcter
>assiassination plot, complete with legal threats. I think everyone here
>who is used to dealing with logic, even in the abstract sense in which
>it is used in programming and SEO, is aware that canadafred has crossed
>a line that rational SEO experts do not cross.
Rational people in general, in fact.
John Bokma
> On 14 Aug 2006 02:53:43 GMT, John Bokma <jo...@castleamber.com> wrote:
>
>>You should learn to use something before you start using it. If someone
>>inexperienced steps into a car, do you think he/she could be excused?
>
> GW Bush is getting away with it. ;)
We shouldn't have taught him how to wank, I guess.
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Borek
wrote:
>>> You should learn to use something before you start using it. If someone
>>> inexperienced steps into a car, do you think he/she could be excused?
>>
>> GW Bush is getting away with it. ;)
>
> We shouldn't have taught him how to wank, I guess.
Just the opposite, that will give him some occupation, right now he plays
with things that are not his own.
Best,
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Paul
>Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 14 Aug 2006 02:53:43 GMT, John Bokma <jo...@castleamber.com> wrote:
>>
>>>You should learn to use something before you start using it. If someone
>>>inexperienced steps into a car, do you think he/she could be excused?
>>
>> GW Bush is getting away with it. ;)
>
>We shouldn't have taught him how to wank, I guess.
ROFL
canadafred
dcashley wrote:
this is a deranged bitch and I wouldn't gice her anything
lastwhit...@hotmail.com
play-dough or coloring books to occupy your time?
> GW Bush is getting away with it. ;)
Georgie isn't getting away with anything. Don't think that he is -
just because no one has the balls to stand up for America. We all know
that he was one of the scumbags most responsible for planning and
executing the destruction of the WTC on 9/11. And we all know that he
is the reason we are paying $3.00 for gas (first president in the
history of the US to not use reserves to keep gas prices reasonable).
Just because most Americans are willing to fold up and accept a BS
story about terrorists (who are not listed on the coroners report of
the WTC and more than half of them are still alive and counted for) -
doesn't mean that Georgie is getting away with anything. It only means
that we are not strong enough as a people to stand up for ourselves.
You guys obviously don't have enough to do, so please visit
www.savetheinternet.com and do something about it.
Big Bill
We seem to be getting more than our fair share lately, don't we?
BB
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Karl Groves
74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>> GW Bush is getting away with it. ;)
>
> Georgie isn't getting away with anything. Don't think that he is -
> just because no one has the balls to stand up for America. We all know
> that he was one of the scumbags most responsible for planning and
> executing the destruction of the WTC on 9/11.
I'm no fan of GWB, but you're a major fucking kook if you think there was
someone other than al queda who is responsible for 9/11
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Karl Groves wrote:
> I'm no fan of GWB, but you're a major fu**ing kook if you think there was
> someone other than al queda who is responsible for 9/11
Research it for yourself.
Do you know what "Operation Northwoods" is?
Do you know what NORAD does?
Do you know what NORAD was doing on 9/11? (Operation Vigilant Guardian)
The "plane" that hit the pentagon was a missile, probably from a
helicopter. The planes that hit the WTC were not American Airlines
flights, they were remote controlled cargo planes. I challenge you to
find ONE photo of a logo (or even passenger windows) on either of the
planes that hit the towers.
NEVER, in the history of the world, has a building of this magnitude
EVER collapsed entirely due to a fire or from being struck by an
airplane (like the Empire State building was in 1945). On many
occasions, buildings have burned for weeks without collapsing. You
see, it takes exposure to temperatures of over 3000 degrees fahrenheit
for hours before the steel in this type of structure would even weaken
(did the people jumping and waving from the windows look like they were
experiencing 3000 degree heat?). Even the fire chief was on the 78th
floor with a plan to extinguish the fires. And if the steel had weaken
enough to collapse, the top (collapsing) floors would have fallen on
the floors under it where the steel wasn't weakened. There is no doubt
that both trade towers and building 7 were demolished with
strategically placed charges set on ALL FLOORS of both towers. Ask the
firefighters who were there how many explosions they heard. Hmm - so
who was in charge of security at the WTC, for American Airlines, for
the Airport, AND associated with the insurance group that held an
insurance policy on the WTC that specifically covered terrorist acts?
GW's little brother Marvin?
There is plenty of information out there that explains what really
happened - but don't expect the major networks or news corporations to
tell you this (they have already been paid for).
I'd have to say that you're a major kook if you believe an "official
story" that has more holes in it than a sponge. Follow the money.
Demand the TRUTH.
Paul
>
>Karl Groves wrote:
>> I'm no fan of GWB, but you're a major fu**ing kook if you think there was
>> someone other than al queda who is responsible for 9/11
>
>Research it for yourself.
>
>Do you
take it to alt.politics.i.dont.give.a.shit
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Like I said, we seem to be attracting them lately. And now we've got
Karl, too!
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Paul wrote:
> take it to alt.politics.i.dont.give.a.shit
and lame people like you are exactly the reason why we are about to
lose freedom of speech on the internet
You're just too busy (or stupid in your case) to care about anything
unless it lands in your lap. Well wake up, it's in your face right
now. The House already approved it in June - Congress is voting as we
speak.
Paul, for someone advertising american indian art, one might think that
you'd be concerned about losing your freedoms (again). You call
yourself a wolf, but you are just a lame sheep.
Paul
>
>Paul wrote:
>> take it to alt.politics.i.dont.give.a.shit
>
>and lame people like you are exactly the reason why we are about to
>lose freedom of speech on the internet
You see, this is where you miss the point entirely.
My original reply as to this remark :
>You should learn to use something before you start using it. If someone
>inexperienced steps into a car, do you think he/she could be excused?
To which I replied with :
GW Bush is getting away with it. ;)
The point I was making was GW managed to be inexperienced yet climbed
into the driving seat [so to speak] and has been excused a number of
times. No one mentioned politics or 9-11. You brought that into it.
>You're just too busy (or stupid in your case)
IQ of 142 doesn't make me stupid.
>to care about anything
Thats more like it.
>unless it lands in your lap. Well wake up, it's in your face right
>now. The House already approved it in June - Congress is voting as we
>speak.
Never voted in my life and I am not going to start now [41]
>Paul, for someone advertising american indian art, one might think that
>you'd be concerned about losing your freedoms (again).
You lost your freedom the day you were born.
> You call yourself a wolf, but you are just a lame sheep.
Say that to my face and they will be your last words too.
Big Bill
<lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 14 Aug 2006 23:41:34 -0700, lastwhit...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>Paul wrote:
>>> take it to alt.politics.i.dont.give.a.shit
>>
>>and lame people like you are exactly the reason why we are about to
>>lose freedom of speech on the internet
>
>
>You see, this is where you miss the point entirely.
>
>My original reply as to this remark :
>
>>You should learn to use something before you start using it. If someone
>>inexperienced steps into a car, do you think he/she could be excused?
>
>To which I replied with :
>
>GW Bush is getting away with it. ;)
>
>
>The point I was making was GW managed to be inexperienced yet climbed
>into the driving seat [so to speak] and has been excused a number of
>times. No one mentioned politics or 9-11. You brought that into it.
>
>
>>You're just too busy (or stupid in your case)
>
>IQ of 142 doesn't make me stupid.
Depends on the scale. There's several.
Karl Groves
news:1155609534.4...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> Karl Groves wrote:
>> I'm no fan of GWB, but you're a major fu**ing kook if you think there
>> was someone other than al queda who is responsible for 9/11
>
> Research it for yourself.
>
Shaddap, kook.
This isn't an appropriate newsgroup for your kookery, so fuck off.
--
Karl Groves
www.karlcore.com
Karl Groves
news:bhq2e2t6e4s1t20jj...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:18:12 -0500, Karl Groves
> <ka...@NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote:
>
>>lastwhit...@hotmail.com wrote in news:1155597640.055937.208300@
>>74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> GW Bush is getting away with it. ;)
>>>
>>> Georgie isn't getting away with anything. Don't think that he is -
>>> just because no one has the balls to stand up for America. We all
>>> know that he was one of the scumbags most responsible for planning
>>> and executing the destruction of the WTC on 9/11.
>>
>>I'm no fan of GWB, but you're a major fucking kook if you think there
>>was someone other than al queda who is responsible for 9/11
>
> Like I said, we seem to be attracting them lately. And now we've got
> Karl, too!
>
I love you too, Bill.
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