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A Texan from Connecticut

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Jan 13, 2008, 4:08:29 AM1/13/08
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On Dec 22, 6:17 pm, "Joseph R Loegering" <JosephLoeger...@comcast.net>
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> Why not fulfill the dream of Christopher Columbus?
>
> In 1492 Christopher Columbus while trying to find a sea route to India

And then he and his men enslaved, slaughtered, and plundered the
indigenous peoples they encountered and paved the way for hundreds of
years of Holocaust in which countless millions of indigenous people
were slaughtered in some of the most vile ways imaginable. There,
fixed that for you.

Itchy

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Jan 13, 2008, 5:02:57 AM1/13/08
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ulti...@hotmail.com (A Texan from Connecticut) wrote in
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NO! He liberated them from a oppresive regime and saved the free world..
silly. It was operation "Forest Storm" I think..no, "Indian Freedom".
They are sooo grateful, even to this day.

Then, he changed his name to Bush.

miles

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Jan 14, 2008, 8:46:27 AM1/14/08
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A Texan from Connecticut wrote:

> And then he and his men enslaved, slaughtered, and plundered the
> indigenous peoples they encountered and paved the way for hundreds of
> years of Holocaust in which countless millions of indigenous people
> were slaughtered in some of the most vile ways imaginable. There,
> fixed that for you.

Most stories I have read state that Columbus himself never enslaved etc.
nor directed his men to do so. He did leave a party behind to run a
village for over two years and those men committed questionable acts. I
have found nothing that confirms Columbus himself ordered or led any of
his men to do so. There were other Spaniards who followed years later
that most certainly led their men to conquer.

Of course the indigenous people were often anything but peaceful. They
themselves enslaved, slaughtered and plundered those of other tribes in
the region. Most of the regions larger indigenous populations and cities
vanished and had nothing to do with Columbus.

Joseph R Loegering

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Interesting I was not referring to his immoral practices, but the Idea of a
Trade Route to feed the poor of the world! Only a fool would not glean out
the good and excreta the evil. No doubt you are part of a Political slander
machine designed to stir up strife, and get innocent people clobbered, like
the fools that stirred up the race riot where I was stoned with a rock, or
like what happened to Bhutto.

Yes, they stirred it up after taking away all real security in both
situations. It is a plot to exclude the individuals that they don't want
from the Government Process, making it impossible for them to get any
redress for any just complaint, and deliberately taking away anything that
they could use to defend themselves against criminals, and then the blame it
on the criminals, not the fact that they stirred up the riots!

How much do Political Rivals control the situations that cause the slander
or death of their opponents, and then blame other for the slander or death
that they caused?

Why don't you asked someone denied service connected disability even though
the disabling injury happened in line of duty, and was place on $700 a month
Social Security Disability instead? Like me! In this system, any real
medical care that I get, I pay for it, or Doctors donate their time. The
Doctors that take Tax money only provide snake oils that cause serious
Iatrogenic Illnesses and make you more dysfunctional, they are robbing the
Tax Payers and Insurance Companies and destroying our economy for inflated
prices on fraud medical treatment like the Nazis and Soviets did

Isn't government by definition a "monopoly"?

Only when the individuals are excluded from the Government by Trairors! We
the People are the Government!

Mr. President, Senator Clinton, Mayor Bloomberg, you Democrats, you
Republicans, the Justice Systems, CNN, Big Pharma, the Medical Community,
and the Industrial Military Complex, just how big of Liars, Bigots, Tyrants,
Robbers, Kidnappers, Murders, and Cowards, are you?

I have been documenting a few things, I know that you need to start giving
me and the People of the World some Honest answers, and Honest Change on all
Levels of Government, Federal, State, and Locals, or we must do our Duty,
and alter or abolish this form of Government, because it has become
destructive of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of Millions of
People.

I will show you what a paranoid dangerous delusional fool is. They make it
impossible to get any redress for just grievances. They barricade themselves
in with all kinds of guards and arms, and they take money and materials from
other people
to support themselves and their agenda, while taking away and or denying
other of what they need to support themselves, starving others, and anyone
that tries to defend themselves
against them is smashed. This has been the manner of life of US Politicians
and Public Officials and US Corporate Rulers that control them.

I have no arms, and no guards, and no plowshares left either.

But look at what them paranoid delusional people got that took away our
Liberty with lies!

They could not use their own resources, and become resourceful, improvise
and adapt to overcome an enemy, they have to rob the Tax Payers for a Job
that they did not do, like defending our Liberty!

They could not sneak behind enemy lines unarmed, to gather information on
the enemy, like my men and I have done for this Country, because they are
nothing but cowards!

The are Liars, Bigots, Tyrants, Robbers, Murders, and Cowards!

To the NRA and to the Traitors of the real US Government

The NRA news letter says,

"In the coming months, the U.S. Supreme Court will consider the
constitutionality of Washington, D.C.'s ban on handgun ownership and
self-defense in law-abiding residents' homes. The Court will first address
the question of whether the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as
embodied in the Bill of Rights, protects the rights of individuals or a
right of the government. If the Court agrees that this is an individual
right, they will then determine if D.C.'s self-defense and handgun bans are
constitutional."

Wake up, we the People are the Government, and these courts with a "protects
the rights of individuals or a right of the government' agenda, are trying
to steal the Government from the People, remember how Bush said that the
terrorists hijacked Islam, it is a bipartisan effort to hijack the US
Government from the People!

Portrait of the leading traitors!


http://www.josephsbusiness.com/Images/Traitors/A-Spades.gif

http://www.josephsbusiness.com/Images/Traitors/A-Clubs.gif

http://www.josephsbusiness.com

http://www.josephsbusiness.com/index.shtml

http://www.josephsbusiness.com/War/War.shtml

In service of God and Country

Joseph

If you think my communication skills or writing is bad now, you should see
how bad it gets when them Doctors give you so called medication to help you!
It wipes out your ability to think, and or to accurately communicate, and or
to take care of yourself, so that they can make money off the Tax Payers for
destroying your life while the lie saying that they are taking care of you!

They made it impossible to get a redress on any just grievance because they
have people like you brainwashed with those lies!

Civil Rights? They targeted blacks from Africa, like the one that they
drugged for have 17 wives! They abuse his 17 wives and children busting up
the family and force treating him with mind control drugs for having 17
wives!

Environmental protection? With Urban Sprawl and Biofuels eating up our
Tillable Farmland instead of letting us build on non-tillable land, they are
starving us and millions across the world, is that to get rid of obesity? Or
the poor?

clean air, water? Controlled by the Banks run by Communist China whose
several thousand year old warfare tactic is to take control of the wells of
their enemy and then poison them? Why are my records on their Computer?

product safety, workplace safety? Sending my workplace to China is providing
either workplace safety or safe products!

voting rights (laws, of course)? Taken away from their political opponents
by false accusations and railroading them through a Court!

Interstate highway system? Outlawed the blind and disabled from hitchhiking
to a store, to a laundry mat, or to a Job?

education aid? Red Tape has Made it totally un-collectable by those whom
served in the armed forces to get it!

health care? A deliberate plot to force us to go to Doctors whom are going
to kill us and say that it was an accident called an Iatrogenic Illness or
Iatrogenic Death!

Social Security? I was under the impression that under Nazi Bush he had me
treated the way
the Nazis did in a Sanitarium, and under the Democrat Hillary she sent to a
gulag like the Communists, both ways with false allegations of intending to
do a crime, while they transferred in hardened criminals to beat the crap
out of me, while Doctors keep saying that it was a mistake over and over,
every time they gave me something that they already knew that I was allergic
too. Why did I get such treatment? Because I was using my own money to
locate and track Bin Laden and his likes, and was asking for no money from
the Government or the Medias, I just wanted help getting Bin Laden and his
likes, but fools like you keep supporting these traitors!

Thursday, April 19, 2007

Rep. Mark Olson

My name is Joseph R Loegering

Sir, we know big Pharma Paid off some of our Politicians and the News Media
to defame you for your bold stance upon the truth, so we are honored to
stand with a man of integrity, against them, we are behind you 100% The
C.A.L.M. before the Storm would like to thank you for representing the
people of Minnesota in our Just Cause of Life and Liberty for the Mentally
Ill, the Autistic, and those with Traumatic Brain Injuries!

One of my men just wrote me, "I heard yesterday that some segments of the
medical establishment have now started to routinely prescribe behavioral
controlling substances such as Ritalin... *to four year olds* !!! (What the
hell has happened to this country?)"

Four year olds don't have a behavior disorder, it is a Parent Disorder!
These Children have no choice but to be forced to take Dangerous Drugs that
cause brain damage even in adults with a fully developed brain.

I posted this on the Internet to help in the good fight!

From the Founder of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm;

to the Doctors and Lawyers and Volunteers among the C.A.L.M. before the
Storm;

and to whomsoever it may concern;

My name is Joseph R Loegering

Founder, of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm!

Blog http://josephloegering.blogspot.com/

The unarmed underground, Civil American Liberties Militia!

Intelligence and NBC Defense.

The Central Command and Control Office.

6050 Highway 10 NW Trailer 19

Anoka Minnesota, 55303-4579

Phone 763-205-1296

Just stay C.A.L.M. everybody, we are here for you!

Follow me, I am a US Army Veteran!

One of our Representatives announced the studies of the links of School
shootings, and the useless Psychotropic Medications and Abusive Psychiatric
Treatment, and their stripping of our Rights by false Diagnosis, that
ultimately cause School Shootings, on Capital Hill. But too many Politicians
acted like he was crazy. Send it to your Representatives to stop the Neo
Nazi Use of Psychotropic Medications, and Abusive Psychiatric Treatment, and
their stripping of our Rights by false Diagnosis, that cause Iatrogenic
Illnesses and Iatrogenic Deaths, and destroy Americans, and crumble our
Economy by paying for Fraud Medical Treatment.

See Former Pharmaceutical Rep. Speaks Out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX5Qzfcf-74

See www.gwenolsen.com

Big Pharma is paying the News Media to Brainwash Society in a Neo Nazi Mind
Control Program!

Wednesday, March 28, 2007

......

This ballot gives you the right to choose between two evils, which do you
consider to be the lesser of the two evils?

Caught between the Turf Wars of Legal Corporate Iatrogenic enslaving
Medications, and Illegal Street enslaving Iatrogenic Medications, so that
either side that we choose we will become Iatrogenic Slaves owned by our
Drug Dealers, so which of the two groups of Iatrogenic Medical Slave
Masters, are the lesser of the two evils?

Lets see, if you choose the Legal Corporate Iatrogenic Slave Masters, and
stop taking their Legal Iatrogenic Medicines that enslave you, they scream
that, "you are crazy," and can lock you up, and force the Legal Iatrogenic
Medicines upon you to keep you enslaved!

But if you choose the Illegal Street Iatrogenic Slave Masters, and stop
taking their Illegal Iatrogenic Medicines that enslave you, they scream, "No
don't go," and to try to keep you enslaved, they say, "I will give you a
free hit if you stay," but if you don't accept it, they can not lock you up,
and you are no longer enslaved, your are free!

Are you ready to Vote?

But wait a minute, didn't we have the right to choose the 13th Amendment,
just so that we could be free from Slavery? Did you guys forget to tell
these people that run our Society this way, about the accomplishments of the
Civil War? Oh wait, because of the Drugs that they forced upon me, I forgot
all about that guy that took the Presidency! Lets see, what was his name?

Was it George? Or was it Mud?

Us Iatrogenic Medical Slaves, say to our Slave Masters, give us Liberty, or
give us death!

For you deliberately conspired to do this thing, and you are now in
violation of the 13th Amendment of our US Constitution!

To the dishonest and greedy Racketeering US Doctors and US Medical Staff and
US Drug Manufactures and US Officials.

As an experienced registered informant for the Criminal Investigation
Department, of the United States Army, it is doing my Duty to my God, and to
my Country, as I secretly pretend to be one of them, and stand face to face
with Domestic Criminals and Foreign Enemies, going along with whatever
interests and activities the Domestic Criminals or Foreign Enemies, have
busied themselves with, as I secretly suck up all the information, and
gather all the evidence that I can, about their interests and activities,
and then I report of their interests and activities, and give the evidence
to the loyal among the US Government.

We are members of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm. The unarmed underground
Civil American Liberties Militia. We are made up of mostly likeminded US
Military Veterans that are spread across the entire USA, and some abroad,
secretly doing our Duty to our God, and to our County! We have no
membership, we are all Volunteers, and we do not expect any pay for our Duty
that we daily do, working separately to bring about our joint effort of
defending our Families and our Country, by exercising the Rights that we
serve our God and our Country to defend, against all our common Enemies,
Foreign and Domestic.

We have found that most Politicians and Judges and Lawyers and Police
Officers and the Media and the Public, do not even know what an Iatrogenic
Illness is! And we have found that some of you have deliberately taken
advantage of their ignorance, and you have conspired to use your Freedom to
say whatever you want to say, to influence and help them design and set up
our Hospitals and our Clinics and our Courts, just so that some of you can
try to get away with producing Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses. Just so that
you can make a Wealthy Lifestyle for yourselves, as you continue getting
paid for causing the Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses as Slave Masters of
Iatrogenic Medical Slavery! And we have found that many of you are
influencing or buying out the judgment of the FDA, or Politicians, or other
Officials, or of the Media, just to get them to approve and support the use
of Drugs, that often cause more harm than good, because they were developed
to make you the Slave Masters, and the Slave Owners, of those that you
deliberately targeted and bound in your Iatrogenic Medical Slavery!

Some of the Medications used for producing Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses, are
not used for the category of Mental Illnesses, but are not cures of
sicknesses, they are classified as Treatments for Chronic Sicknesses. But a
majority of the Medications used for producing Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses,
are used for the category of what they call Chronic Mental Illnesses. And we
have found that you have even been using the Mass Media, to play upon
people's ignorance of Mental Illnesses, to build fear in them, as you build
prejudice in them, so that you can motivate them to do your dirty works at
your will. And we found some of you have been deliberately brainwashing our
society for a long time, to get them to blindly support, and to blindly
follow along with your scam of Medical Racketeering. And out of their
ignorance of Mental Illnesses, and the fears that you gave them, you have
tricked them into giving you the authority to use force, even upon those
whom you falsely claim have a Dangerous Mental Illness. And out of their
ignorance of Mental Illnesses, and the fears that you gave them, you have
built prejudice in them, and often motivate them by your influence over the
collective social group, to use intimidation, as a fear factor, upon those
who you falsely claim need your Medications, that cause Iatrogenic
Illnesses. And some of you are deliberately abusing the authority to use
force, as you force upon people ignorant of Mental Illnesses, Medications
that cause Iatrogenic Illnesses, just so that you can enslave them in your
Iatrogenic Medical Slavery.

I have the Detailed Documentation of what they are planning and doing,
enough to get thousands of convictions, does anyone want it?

......

VA Tech, and the News Media Brainwashing Society with Prejudice against
Autistic, Mentally Ill, and the Traumatically Bran Injured, in our Schools.

It appeared for a while that the News Media was going to finally honestly
deal with Bullies and Piers Prejudice against the way Children with Autism,
Mental Illnesses, and Traumatic Brain Injuries, behave, and honestly report
that Psychiatric Treatment on these Children causes more harm than good.
This is so because the Medical Community sees the behavior of the Autistic
and Mentally Ill, and those with Traumatic Brain Injuries, as being
unacceptable by Society, and then tries to use Mind Control Drugs,
experimentally handing each one different Drugs, trying to find what Drug or
Combination of Drugs would suit each individual, to correct their behavior,
instead of trying to find a cure for their disorder, or instead of helping
them live with their disability. So now after the VA Tech Killings, because
of the Public's Paranoid responses that will result brought about by the
Medical Community using the Media for Brainwashing the Public, and
motivating them with Fear, to try their Neo Nazi Mind Control Drugs, if your
Child has Autism, a Mental Disorder, or a Traumatic Brain Injury, to avoid
the Abuse from Authorities and Piers, parents should keep their Children
home from School, and get them in Private Schools built just for helping
them overcome their handicaps.

Because of the way Autism, Mental Disorders, and Traumatic Brain Injuries
come about, it would be impossible Scientifically, to give these Children or
Adults with these Disorders, a Drug, or a Combination of Drugs, to Cure
their Disorders. And the Drugs Scientifically cannot give them new
abilities, and make it easer for them to overcome their handicaps, and live
a more productive life. And because of the Side Effects of the Drugs, in
most cases the Drugs will cause them to become more dysfunctional, which is
often written off as, changing their behavior to the better, because being
more dysfunctional, their new behavior is said to be less Dangerous.

But because of the VA Tech killings in a School, the News Media is now
brainwashing Society to accept the Prejudice of Piers and Bullies, and send
them to Neo Nazi Doctors for treatment, or they say something like VA Tech
might happen. But the VA Tech Killings most likely were caused by such
Prejudice from Rich Kids and Religious Fanatics, who made so many complaints
that they sent the man to Psychiatrists, for useless forced treatment with
Dangerous Mind Control Drugs, Abusive Treatment and Drugs that without a
doubt, made his condition worse, and contributed to causing the killing
spree.

The News Media has become paid off by their sponsors to become totally
Biased by Neo Nazi Drug Manufactures, and Neo Nazi Doctors!

The VA Tech Killer was on antidepressants, that he was forced to take by the
Courts, even taking them is bad, but if the dose in their blood fluctuates,
and or they stop taking them, the withdrawals form those things, will drive
people crazy too. It is not the Disorder that drives them Crazy, it is the
fluctuation of the level of the worthless Drugs in their blood that often
causes Traumatic and Dramatic Drug Withdrawals that drives them crazy. But
did the ABC News Media say anything about that? No, why? Because against the
FDA findings, and against the major Medical Journal findings, right after
talking about the VA Tech Killer seeing a Psychiatrist by Court order, they
made an announcement saying, "in the most comprehensive study yet on
antidepressants," they say that the black box warnings don't mean much,
because the 27 studies, which were done by the Drug Manufactures, and the
Doctors that make money off the Drugs, they say that the good that they do,
outweigh the risks. But even the New England Medical Journal, and the US
Government, have found that those Medicines have no apparent benefit
whatsoever, and have bad Side Effects! The News was paid by the Drug
Manufactures to go against the FDA, and the major Medical Journals on
Antidepressants and Antipsychotics. And they are also paid by Political
Sponsors, to brainwash you, so that these Communist can do away with our
Rights on all levels of Government, and take over the Government from
within. They now can totally strip you of your rights by falsely accusing
you of being delusional, and Hospitalizing you, and being Hospitalize strips
you of your Rights. A Doctor Politicized my medical Care, and for Personal
and Political Reasons, tried doing that, and did it to me!

The News Media is sponsored by these Drug Manufactures broadcasting the you
should talk to your Doctors about their advertised Drugs that have no
benefit whatsoever, and experimentally take them without running any
Scientific Tests, to see what bad Side Effects you will experience from
them, and most of the bad Side Effects that you will experience from them
are not listed on the Labels, and the bad Effects that they will have on
your long term health are not listed there either. If you are giving them to
your Child among the millions of children being told to take them by their
ignorant Parents, you are running the risk of making your Child the next VA
Tech Killer.

As I get it written out, I will post accurate Scientific Information on how
the Brain develops naturally, and how these Medications cause abnormal
Neurons to develop that can only function while taking the Medications, and
stopping the Medications causes serious withdrawals from the useless Drugs.

Just stay C.A.L.M. everybody, we are here for you!

Follow me, I am a US Army Veteran!

As an experienced registered informant for the Criminal Investigation
Department, of the United States Army, it is doing my Duty to my God, and to
my Country, as I secretly pretend to be one of them, and stand face to face
with Domestic Criminals and Foreign Enemies, going along with whatever
interests and activities the Domestic Criminals or Foreign Enemies, have
busied themselves with, as I secretly suck up all the information, and
gather all the evidence that I can, about their interests and activities,
and then I report of their interests and activities, and give the evidence
to the loyal among the US Government.

We are members of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm. The unarmed underground
Civil American Liberties Militia. We are made up of mostly likeminded US
Military Veterans that are spread across the entire USA, and some abroad,
secretly doing our Duty to our God, and to our County! We have no
membership, we are all Volunteers, and we do not expect any pay for our Duty
that we daily do, working separately to bring about our joint effort of
defending our Families and our Country, by exercising the Rights that we
serve our God and our Country to defend, against all our common Enemies,
Foreign and Domestic.

In Service of God and Country

Joseph R Loegering

Founder, of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm!

The unarmed underground, Civil American Liberties Militia!


To the NRA and to the Traitors of the real US Government

The NRA news letter says,

"In the coming months, the U.S. Supreme Court will consider the
constitutionality of Washington, D.C.'s ban on handgun ownership and
self-defense in law-abiding residents' homes. The Court will first address
the question of whether the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as
embodied in the Bill of Rights, protects the rights of individuals or a
right of the government. If the Court agrees that this is an individual
right, they will then determine if D.C.'s self-defense and handgun bans are
constitutional."

Wake up, we the People are the Government, and these courts with a "protects
the rights of individuals or a right of the government' agenda, are trying
to steal the Government from the People, remember how Bush said that the
terrorists hijacked Islam, it is a bipartisan effort to hijack the US
Government from the People!

Portrait of the leading traitors!


http://www.josephsbusiness.com/Images/Traitors/A-Spades.gif

http://www.josephsbusiness.com/Images/Traitors/A-Clubs.gif

http://www.josephsbusiness.com

http://www.josephsbusiness.com/index.shtml

http://www.josephsbusiness.com/War/War.shtml

In service of God and Country

Joseph


"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."
-- Thomas Jefferson


Joseph R Loegering

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Why would Russia not want to help extend and expand the Alaskan Pipeline to
get their oil and gas to a warm water port, instead of going through
Afghanistan and Pakistan?

Why would they not want American Farmers and Factory Workers to go back to
work, to feed the world's poor?

They already control our international space station, and the space spying
equipment, used to spy on us!

Why is the UN helping to starve and kill off the poor of the world?

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