Revenge of the Spooks: A Final Disgrace for Bush & Co.
Hobo
http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
America's spooks finally had their revenge. After being forced by the
White House in 2002-2003 to concoct a farrago of lies about Iraq, and
then get stuck with the blame for the ensuing fiasco there, the 16 US
intelligence agencies struck back last week with high drama and
devastating effect.
US intelligence chief Mike McConnell made public a bombshell National
Intelligence Report(NIE) that concluded `with high confidence' Tehran
had halted its rudimentary nuclear weapons program in 2003. Even if
the program was restarted, said the NIE, Iran is unlikely to produce
any weapons before 2012-15.
The new NIE is a devastating, humiliating blow to Bush, Dick Cheney
and the neocons who have been furiously whipping up war fever and
hysteria against Iran. Only two months ago, Bush actually warned
Americans that Iran's secret nuclear program threatened the entire
planet and could ignite World War III.
An earlier NIE in 2005 had billed Iran as a major nuclear threat. Now,
we learn it was based on fabricated evidence supplied to CIA, `over
the transom,' as the old spy jargon goes. Just like the bogus Niger
uranium story used by Bush and Cheney to justify war against Iraq.
Who, one wonders, is behind these acts of disinformation?
Bush was given the new NIE on Iran last August. But for the past four
months, Bush, Cheney and Condoleeza Rice have been beating the war
drums over Iran when their own massed intelligence agencies have been
telling them there was no danger from Iran. The White House hid its
own intelligence community's findings from the public until the spooks
threatened to leak the report.
Ironically, Iran's leader, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was telling the truth
all along when he said Iran was not working on nuclear arms, while
Bush & Company was lying through its teeth, just as it did over Iraq
and Afghanistan. Just, in fact, as Saddam Hussein was also telling the
truth while Washington was producing a litany of lies that would have
made the old Soviet agitprop boys blush.
This column has been reporting for two years growing opposition at
CIA, the Pentagon, and the State Department to Bush/Cheney's plans to
launch a war against Iran. I repeatedly heard the term `fifth column'
used to describe the fanatical neocon ideologues pressing American
into a second Mideast war.
Now, America's national security community is telling the White House
to cease and desist before it drags the nation into another foreign
catastrophe. While not a military-intelligence attempted coup as in
the wonderful film, `Seven Days in May,' it was the next closest
thing.
At the heart of this drama lies the disturbing fact that Bush/Cheney &
Co. were simply ignoring their own $40-billion plus a year
intelligence community. When the White House didn't get the answers it
wanted on Iran, it turned to Israel, whose renowned intelligence
agency, Mossad, became a primary source of reports about Iran. Mossad
still insists Iran will have a nuclear bomb by 2008.
Israel's defense minister, Ehud Barak, declared the US NIE report a
`blow to the groin.' Israel and its powerful American supporters, who
have come to dominate US Mideast policy, have been straining every
sinew to get the US to destroy Iran's growing nuclear infrastructure.
Whether Israel, which has a large nuclear arsenal, will attack Iran on
its own remains uncertain. The Bush Administration is supplying Israel
with 2,000 BLU-109 deep earth penetrator bombs, and 50 5,000 lb GBU-28
for use against underground Iranian targets.
America's intelligence has been poor in the past, and might be wrong
again. But UN nuclear inspectors confirm the US NIE findings. So does
SVR, Russia's foreign intelligence agency. Iran's civilian nuclear
power program could eventually produce highly enriched uranium for
weapons, but there is no sign of Iran developing any long-range
delivery capability.
Nuclear warheads without long-ranged delivery systems are useless.
Claims by US neocons that Iran is developing intercontinental
ballistic missiles are yet more lies. If Iran was indeed developing a
limited nuclear arsenal, it was clearly to forestall potential nuclear
attack or nuclear blackmail by the US or Israel, not to attack North
America or Europe, as Bush so absurdly claimed.
In the midst of all the furor over Iran's supposed nuclear weapons,
not one peep has come from Washington calling for Mideast regional
nuclear disarmament - the surest way of ending the nuclear arms race
between Israel and its neighbors.
The new NIE is likely to ease sanctions on besieged Iran, and
undermine the anti-Iran coalition the US, Israel and their new ally,
France were assembling. It should put an end to Bush's idiotic plans
for an anti-missile system in Poland and the Czech Republic designed
to shoot down missiles Iran does not possess. Sanity seems to be
slowly creeping back to Washington.
Posted by Eric Margolis on December 10, 2007 01:53 PM
http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
Too_Many_Tools
> REVENGE OF THE SPOOKShttp://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
No sanity is not returning....
The fact is that Bush is a lame duck President...a terminal
illiness...no one has to listen to him anymore.
Everyone is worrying about their next boss ....who will be a Democrat.
And revenge is a dish best served cold.
TMT
Friendly Xenu
>REVENGE OF THE SPOOKS
>http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
>WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
>cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
If the US wasn't a nation of gutless cowards, the traitors and war
criminals would have been dragged out, given trials in the street,
and already be long gone.
---
"God's going to give us China. And China will be the largest Christian
nation on the face of the earth. They're going to come to Jesus."
-- Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, 1/2/08, with his global predictions
after this year's annual conversation with God
John R. Carroll
> Hobo <dfgsdgt5...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> REVENGE OF THE SPOOKS
>> http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
>> WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
>> cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
>
> If the US wasn't a nation of gutless cowards, the traitors and war
> criminals would have been dragged out, given trials in the street,
> and already be long gone.
They'll be gone at years end at any rate. That will be a better time to get
to the criminal behavior of the Bush regime and if the Dems get the share of
Congress they might and also take the WH, goober bush and Darth Cheney might
have serious legal problems.
--
John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
Curly Surmudgeon
Free Sirhan Sirhan!
-- Regards, Curly
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John R. Carroll
> On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:02:46 +0000, John R. Carroll wrote:
>
>> Friendly Xenu wrote:
>>> Hobo <dfgsdgt5...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> REVENGE OF THE SPOOKS
>>>> http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
>>>> WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
>>>> cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
>>>
>>> If the US wasn't a nation of gutless cowards, the traitors and war
>>> criminals would have been dragged out, given trials in the street,
>>> and already be long gone.
>>
>> They'll be gone at years end at any rate. That will be a better time
>> to get to the criminal behavior of the Bush regime and if the Dems
>> get the share of Congress they might and also take the WH, goober
>> bush and Darth Cheney might have serious legal problems.
>
> Free Sirhan Sirhan!
I was thinking the opposite. Send him a few room mates.
Friendly Xenu
They will be gone but they will still be in power, if you know
what I mean. The consequences of Republicanism is going to be a
massive stumble for the United States to recover from for the
next 50 years.
The problem is that all of the politicians are Corporate fascists
working for their corporate sponsors. They're not Americans _as_
Americans; they're all traitors against the American people.
Friendly Xenu
>Free Sirhan Sirhan!
LOL! At least for five or six more jobs?
The problem is that the Bush terrorists and traitors all need to
have a fair trial according to the rule of law that the United
States used to hold as higher ideals. Executions need to be held
after fair trials.
Curly Surmudgeon
> Curly Surmudgeon <Curly....@home.com> wrote:
>
>>Free Sirhan Sirhan!
>
> LOL! At least for five or six more jobs?
>
> The problem is that the Bush terrorists and traitors all need to have a
> fair trial according to the rule of law that the United States used to
> hold as higher ideals. Executions need to be held after fair trials.
That is the proper way but we both know its not going to happen. The
Democrats and Nancy Pelosi were elected specifically to punish Bush & Co.
yet immediately said impeachment was "off the table."
They're both complicit in the crimes, Republicrats and DEmopublicans, and
both fear that justice may be applied to theirselves therefore submarine
justice for any.
Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheney/et al have repeatedly raised the spectre of
"selective assassination" of foreign dignitaries and leaders they do not
like. We should test the judicial process however the 2nd Amendment was
written for exactly this purpose should our elected representatives fail.
DBM
groups...
Quote from an article allegedly posted by 'Hobo'...
"...Nuclear warheads without long-ranged delivery systems are useless..."
*Incorrect* - see next few sentences by the same author...
"...Claims by US neocons that Iran is developing intercontinental
ballistic missiles are yet more lies. If Iran was indeed developing a
limited nuclear arsenal, it was clearly to forestall potential nuclear
attack or nuclear blackmail by the US or Israel, not to attack North
America or Europe, as Bush so absurdly claimed..."
In other words, Nuclear warheads without long-range delivery systems are
*NOT* useless - they have considerable 'deterrent' capability (if they have
it, they may/will use it, so we must tread *carefully*...).
Now that's been said... Whether or not the 'long-range delivery system' is
a missile or standard surface transport (freighter ship, cargo jet, truck,
etc) is irrelevant - while a missile may be 'faster and flashier' compared
to 'slow and subtle' methods of transport (freighter ship, truck, etc),
'planning and patience' are the keys to successful 'pre-emptive attacks'.
In other words, no inter-continental missile is as fast as a long-distance
phone call when the 'payload' is already 'on-site'... So why bother
building and launching a highly observable/traceable missile from half-way
around the world, when a suicide bomber can just flick the switch on the
Nuke they've *slowly* and *subtly* smuggled into a country?
Just a quibble, please ignore as you see fit...
--
Yours, DBM - dbmacp...@INHIBITIONSuq.net.au
From Somewhere in Australia, the Land of Tree-hugging Funnelwebs...
...Remove inhibitions to reply...
maralah
> From Somewhere in Australia, the Land of Tree-hugging Funnelwebs...
> ...Remove inhibitions to reply...
Theres a problem here.Due to the high value of nuclear weapons, as a
general rule none can be handed to anyone ever.It is *all* double
cross all the time.Anywhere that weapon is, a bigger and badder dog
wants it.You have more to worry about in the 'tipping point" of men in
official nuclear command structures.
Gunner Asch
>Hobo <dfgsdgt5...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>REVENGE OF THE SPOOKS
>>http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
>>WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
>>cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
>
>If the US wasn't a nation of gutless cowards, the traitors and war
>criminals would have been dragged out, given trials in the street,
>and already be long gone.
Id rather they simply put the Libs in zoos.
Gunner
>
>---
>"God's going to give us China. And China will be the largest Christian
>nation on the face of the earth. They're going to come to Jesus."
>-- Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, 1/2/08, with his global predictions
>after this year's annual conversation with God
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
Gunner Asch
>"John R. Carroll" <n...@here.com> wrote:
>>Friendly Xenu wrote:
>>> Hobo <dfgsdgt5...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> REVENGE OF THE SPOOKS
>>>> http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
>>>> WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
>>>> cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
>>> If the US wasn't a nation of gutless cowards, the traitors and war
>>> criminals would have been dragged out, given trials in the street,
>>> and already be long gone.
>>They'll be gone at years end at any rate. That will be a better time to get
>>to the criminal behavior of the Bush regime and if the Dems get the share of
>>Congress they might and also take the WH, goober bush and Darth Cheney might
>>have serious legal problems.
>
>They will be gone but they will still be in power, if you know
>what I mean. The consequences of Republicanism is going to be a
>massive stumble for the United States to recover from for the
>next 50 years.
Oh..you mean just like FDR?
>
>The problem is that all of the politicians are Corporate fascists
>working for their corporate sponsors. They're not Americans _as_
>Americans; they're all traitors against the American people.
So when will you be lynching the Hildabitch and Obamba?
Gunner
Gunner Asch
>Curly Surmudgeon <Curly....@home.com> wrote:
>
>>Free Sirhan Sirhan!
>
>LOL! At least for five or six more jobs?
>
>The problem is that the Bush terrorists and traitors all need to
>have a fair trial according to the rule of law that the United
>States used to hold as higher ideals. Executions need to be held
>after fair trials.
Cool! They can get their turns at the rope after we try and execute
all the Leftists, Liberals, Progressives and Marxist traitors
Gunner
>
>---
>"God's going to give us China. And China will be the largest Christian
>nation on the face of the earth. They're going to come to Jesus."
>-- Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, 1/2/08, with his global predictions
>after this year's annual conversation with God
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Lawrence Glickman
<gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
>So when will you be lynching the Hildabitch and Obamba?
>
>Gunner
couldn't help but notice.
If Hildacunt or Muhammed Osama Obama get elected, I fear for their
mortal safety. The secret service did a *bang up* job protecting
JFKennedy and Ronald Raygun, didn't they.
Just a feeling, a dark feeling I have, that somebody is going to bust
a cap on one of them.
Lg
John R. Carroll
> "John R. Carroll" <n...@here.com> wrote:
>> Friendly Xenu wrote:
>>> Hobo <dfgsdgt5...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> REVENGE OF THE SPOOKS
>>>> http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
>>>> WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
>>>> cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
>>> If the US wasn't a nation of gutless cowards, the traitors and war
>>> criminals would have been dragged out, given trials in the street,
>>> and already be long gone.
>> They'll be gone at years end at any rate. That will be a better time
>> to get to the criminal behavior of the Bush regime and if the Dems
>> get the share of Congress they might and also take the WH, goober
>> bush and Darth Cheney might have serious legal problems.
>
> They will be gone but they will still be in power, if you know
> what I mean. The consequences of Republicanism is going to be a
> massive stumble for the United States to recover from for the
> next 50 years.
We'll have quite a hangover, that's for sure.
>
> The problem is that all of the politicians are Corporate fascists
> working for their corporate sponsors. They're not Americans _as_
> Americans; they're all traitors against the American people.
True enough but the real dynamic in play here is that after just two
"Boomer" Presidents, the American people have had enough.
America's "Greatest" generation has produced it's worst.
This is the main reason Hillary Clinton won't end up running in the general
election. That and the "judgement" issue will kill her. She will not be the
Democratic party's candidate. At least that's my take.
I don't, and America won't, really want a President that would tolerate a
complete whore as her mate. She isn't Bill. She's Bill's door mat. Her
fellow Democrats haven't gone after her in this way yet but they might.
Ghouliani, on the other hand, is just itching to get all of this in play and
he'll end both his and Clinton's candidacies when he does. Such an attack
will be sad to see but not because it isn't reality. It will be sad because
she knows better and went forward anyway, only to end up a victim one more
time. The voting public will be completely turned off across the board.
Barak Obama and John Edwards will be the next President and Vice President
of the United States if the Democrats are to win. The alternative will be
Michael Bloomberg paired with Joe Lieberman running as independents.
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:55:40 GMT, Xe...@aol.COM (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>
>>Curly Surmudgeon <Curly....@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Free Sirhan Sirhan!
>>
>>LOL! At least for five or six more jobs?
>>
>>The problem is that the Bush terrorists and traitors all need to have a
>>fair trial according to the rule of law that the United States used to
>>hold as higher ideals. Executions need to be held after fair trials.
>
> Cool! They can get their turns at the rope after we try and execute all
> the Leftists, Liberals, Progressives and Marxist traitors
>
> Gunner
What fantasy world do you live in, Bakersfield?
Where's your proof that the FSM doesn't exist?
Friendly Xenu
>On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:55:40 +0000, Friendly Xenu wrote:
>> The problem is that the Bush terrorists and traitors all need to have a
>> fair trial according to the rule of law that the United States used to
>> hold as higher ideals. Executions need to be held after fair trials.
>That is the proper way but we both know its not going to happen. The
>Democrats and Nancy Pelosi were elected specifically to punish Bush & Co.
>yet immediately said impeachment was "off the table."
The Democrats betrayed America -- but we all knew they would.
Friendly Xenu
>On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:53:47 GMT, Xe...@aol.COM (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>>Hobo <dfgsdgt5...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>REVENGE OF THE SPOOKS
>>>http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
>>>WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
>>>cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
>>If the US wasn't a nation of gutless cowards, the traitors and war
>>criminals would have been dragged out, given trials in the street,
>>and already be long gone.
>Id rather they simply put the Libs in zoos.
Probably because you're a Christian fascist.
Too_Many_Tools
> From Somewhere in Australia, the Land of Tree-hugging Funnelwebs...
> ...Remove inhibitions to reply...
You forgot to mention how Bush has actively worked to keep the borders
of the United States open to anyone who can walk across...or drag a
bomb across the border.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
>
> - Show quoted text -
You forgot to mention those nukes that got "lost" last year in the
United States.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
So what do want in your cage Gunner?
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
And the Republicans bankrupted America -- and we all will pay for
that.
TMT
Curly Surmudgeon
> Curly Surmudgeon <Curly....@home.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:55:40 +0000, Friendly Xenu wrote:
>>> The problem is that the Bush terrorists and traitors all need to have a
>>> fair trial according to the rule of law that the United States used to
>>> hold as higher ideals. Executions need to be held after fair trials.
>>That is the proper way but we both know its not going to happen. The
>>Democrats and Nancy Pelosi were elected specifically to punish Bush & Co.
>>yet immediately said impeachment was "off the table."
>
> The Democrats betrayed America -- but we all knew they would.
That's the point, all three branches of the Federal Government have
betrayed us, the Executive, Legislative and Judicial. These are precisely
why the 2nd Amendment was added to the Constitution. I fear that events
are rushing toward a violent confrontation between authorities and the
populace.
Time to get out.
Curly Surmudgeon
> Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:53:47 GMT, Xe...@aol.COM (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>
>>>Hobo <dfgsdgt5...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>REVENGE OF THE SPOOKS
>>>>http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
>>>>WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
>>>>cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
>>>If the US wasn't a nation of gutless cowards, the traitors and war
>>>criminals would have been dragged out, given trials in the street, and
>>>already be long gone.
>>Id rather they simply put the Libs in zoos.
>
> Probably because you're a Christian fascist.
gunner claims to be a buddhist sadist.
> ---
> "God's going to give us China. And China will be the largest Christian
> nation on the face of the earth. They're going to come to Jesus." --
> Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, 1/2/08, with his global predictions
> after this year's annual conversation with God
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Bert Hyman
<Curly....@home.com> wrote:
> Time to get out.
Where to, exactly?
--
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Lawrence Glickman
>In news:pan.2008.01.06....@home.com Curly Surmudgeon
><Curly....@home.com> wrote:
>
>> Time to get out.
>
>Where to, exactly?
Tel Aviv of course.
They have the best hospitals in the region.
pyotr filipivich
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> reported Elvis on Sun, 06
Jan 2008 02:14:05 -0800 in misc.survivalism :
>On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:53:47 GMT, Xe...@aol.COM (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>
>>Hobo <dfgsdgt5...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>REVENGE OF THE SPOOKS
>>>http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
>>>WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
>>>cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
>>
>>If the US wasn't a nation of gutless cowards, the traitors and war
>>criminals would have been dragged out, given trials in the street,
>>and already be long gone.
>
>Id rather they simply put the Libs in zoos.
Near the big cat exhibits?
Phaenicta sericata have to eat, same as vultures.
--
pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."
Gunner Asch
>Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:53:47 GMT, Xe...@aol.COM (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>
>>>Hobo <dfgsdgt5...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>REVENGE OF THE SPOOKS
>>>>http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
>>>>WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
>>>>cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
>>>If the US wasn't a nation of gutless cowards, the traitors and war
>>>criminals would have been dragged out, given trials in the street,
>>>and already be long gone.
>>Id rather they simply put the Libs in zoos.
>
>Probably because you're a Christian fascist.
Actually, Im Buddhist. If I were a Christian Fascist, or a Atheist
Totalitarian, Id be voting for an open ditch and a line up in front of
machine guns.
But for anyone as obviously butt stupid as you..Id allow a Makarov
bullet in the back of your head followed by a dip in quicklime.
Gunner
>
>---
>"God's going to give us China. And China will be the largest Christian
>nation on the face of the earth. They're going to come to Jesus."
>-- Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, 1/2/08, with his global predictions
>after this year's annual conversation with God
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>[Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
>Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> reported Elvis on Sun, 06
>Jan 2008 02:14:05 -0800 in misc.survivalism :
>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:53:47 GMT, Xe...@aol.COM (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>>
>>>Hobo <dfgsdgt5...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>REVENGE OF THE SPOOKS
>>>>http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
>>>>WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
>>>>cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
>>>
>>>If the US wasn't a nation of gutless cowards, the traitors and war
>>>criminals would have been dragged out, given trials in the street,
>>>and already be long gone.
>>
>>Id rather they simply put the Libs in zoos.
>
> Near the big cat exhibits?
>
> Phaenicta sericata have to eat, same as vultures.
True indeed. But wouldnt it be more ironic to have them eaten then
shit out, by a pack of hyenas?
They prefer carrion, unlike the big cats, and if nothing else..Libs
are carrion.
Gunner
Curly Surmudgeon
> In news:pan.2008.01.06....@home.com Curly Surmudgeon
> <Curly....@home.com> wrote:
>
>> Time to get out.
>
> Where to, exactly?
Many choices based upon your preferences. I'd _prefer_ to say in
California but selected Argentina 2.5 years ago. Other good options exist
but you'll have to take stock of your personal requirements.
Lawrence Glickman
<Curly....@home.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:46:25 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote:
>
>> In news:pan.2008.01.06....@home.com Curly Surmudgeon
>> <Curly....@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Time to get out.
>>
>> Where to, exactly?
>
>Many choices based upon your preferences. I'd _prefer_ to say in
>California but selected Argentina 2.5 years ago. Other good options exist
>but you'll have to take stock of your personal requirements.
Would you come back to the US if Interpol, the FBI, and the IRS called
off their dogs?
Curly Surmudgeon
Perhaps you're under a misconception, I am not an ex-pat because of
outstanding warrants. I left voluntarily, in good standing, and did not
renounce my citizenship. Nor will I. America is the land of my birth, I
love the country, I detest those in power who have violated our
Constitution and made freedom impossible.
I look forward to returning and living in California again. Either when
reality returns to government, unlikely, or the revolution begins. Other
than that, only for vists.
During Clinton's years I realized that America was headed downhill and
began my search for a new home. I looked at South Africa, Thailand,
Australia, Costa Rica, Panama, Mexico, Venezuela, Columbia, Peru, Chile,
and a few others but Argentina was far away my first choice.
Having endured 50 years of alternating socialism/dictatorships and coming
off a military episode that "disappeared" 30,000 intellectuals and a
devestating collapse of the economy Argentina learned the value of liberty
and freedom and will not go there again for a long time.
Argentina is more European than Latin American. Roughly 70% Spanish, 20%
Italian, 5% Portuguese plus Ukranian, German, English, and Indigenous. A
huge nation, bigger than California and Texas combined, with vast mineral
reserves, a net exporter of petroleum, copper, lumber, soy, corn, wheat,
and beef. Low population, about 34 mililon with half in the Buenos Aires
area. I selected Las Sierras de Cordoba, an ancient mountain range in the
center/north of the country. Seismically stable, close enough to the
equator that the winters are mild and high enough that the summers do not
require a/c.
Argentina has had four years of double-digit economic growth and survived
the economic collapse because people do not have personal debt. Want a
house? Pay cash, property taxes are incredibly cheap. A 1400 sq ft home
in the provinces costs under $5/month in taxes and between $30K - $50k USD
to purchase.
Cordoba is a historical university town and has students from across
Latin America and Europe so it has some culture, industry, and talent.
That's 85km from my town yet I have only two neighbors in the entire
valley and front a nature preserve preventing an influx of new residents.
Land is plentiful and cheap, the people are kind, considerate, caring and
the culture is wholesome. I recommend Argentina for those concerned about
the loss of liberty in the United States.
Give me an email address here and I'll reply with more info.
Lawrence Glickman
<Curly....@home.com> wrote:
My email is good as it stands, Curly.
Please send me what info you feel comfortable about.
My first idea is Tel Aviv, because of the excellent medical care I can
receive there. Of course...I'm getting excellent medical care where I
am now, but as you WELL KNOW, sometimes it is a good idea to take an
extended vacation if/when the SHTF.
I might have left long ago on that *extended vacation,* but my
responsibility to my family compels me to stay where I am until things
become untenable.
Lg
pyotr filipivich
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> reported Elvis on Sun, 06
>On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:36:49 -0800, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>[Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
>>Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> reported Elvis on Sun, 06
>>Jan 2008 02:14:05 -0800 in misc.survivalism :
>>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:53:47 GMT, Xe...@aol.COM (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hobo <dfgsdgt5...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>REVENGE OF THE SPOOKS
>>>>>http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
>>>>>WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
>>>>>cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
>>>>
>>>>If the US wasn't a nation of gutless cowards, the traitors and war
>>>>criminals would have been dragged out, given trials in the street,
>>>>and already be long gone.
>>>
>>>Id rather they simply put the Libs in zoos.
>>
>> Near the big cat exhibits?
>>
>> Phaenicta sericata have to eat, same as vultures.
>
>True indeed. But wouldnt it be more ironic to have them eaten then
>shit out, by a pack of hyenas?
>
>They prefer carrion, unlike the big cats, and if nothing else..Libs
>are carrion.
That's why I suggested Phaenicta sericata - the "bottle fly" which
larval stage consumes the metabolically challenged life forms.
Sort of "Sweets for the sweet, so here, have a maggot."
tschus
pyotr
Friendly Xenu
>On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:03:43 GMT, Xe...@aol.COM (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>>Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:53:47 GMT, Xe...@aol.COM (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>>
>>>>Hobo <dfgsdgt5...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>REVENGE OF THE SPOOKS
>>>>>http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
>>>>>WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
>>>>>cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
>>>>If the US wasn't a nation of gutless cowards, the traitors and war
>>>>criminals would have been dragged out, given trials in the street,
>>>>and already be long gone.
>>>Id rather they simply put the Libs in zoos.
>>
>>Probably because you're a Christian fascist.
>Actually, Im Buddhist.
Then you have no excuse, rightard.
---
"God's going to give us China. And China will be the largest Christian
nation on the face of the earth. They're going to come to Jesus."
-- Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, 1/2/08, with his global predictions
after this year's annual conversations with the Christian gods
Gunner Asch
>Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:03:43 GMT, Xe...@aol.COM (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>
>>>Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:53:47 GMT, Xe...@aol.COM (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Hobo <dfgsdgt5...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>REVENGE OF THE SPOOKS
>>>>>>http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/12/revenge_of_the.php
>>>>>>WASHINGTON DC - `Merry Christmas, Mr. President' hissed the men in
>>>>>>cloaks as they plunged a dagger into George Bush's back.
>>>>>If the US wasn't a nation of gutless cowards, the traitors and war
>>>>>criminals would have been dragged out, given trials in the street,
>>>>>and already be long gone.
>>>>Id rather they simply put the Libs in zoos.
>>>
>>>Probably because you're a Christian fascist.
>
>>Actually, Im Buddhist.
>
>Then you have no excuse, rightard.
Excuse for what, Libtard? Wishing to not see all those Libs machine
gunned into mass graves, or hung from lamp posts by the millions?
Isnt that Right Thinking?
Gunner
>
>---
>"God's going to give us China. And China will be the largest Christian
>nation on the face of the earth. They're going to come to Jesus."
>-- Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, 1/2/08, with his global predictions
>after this year's annual conversations with the Christian gods
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.