Bush Declares Iraq Election a Success...Another Marine dies
Sid9
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: January 31, 2005
Filed at 12:43 a.m. ET
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- A U.S. Marine was killed in combat in Iraq's western
Anbar province, the U.S. military said Monday.
The Marine, assigned to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, was killed while
troops conducted security operations on Sunday, the Marines said in a
statement.
The statement did not say exactly where the Marine was killed, saying the
release of further information could aid insurgents.
The vast Anbar province is home to the flashpoint cities of Ramadi and
Fallujah.
More than 1,400 U.S. service members have been killed in Iraq since the
March 2003 invasion.
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Bush Declares Iraq Election a Success
"a catastrophic victory"
"Mission Accomplished"
"Bring 'em on!"
"We found Weapons of Mass Destruction"
"Mistakes were made"
"You're doing a superb job."
Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11
9/11 had nothing to with Iraq.
Christian Williamson
> U.S. Marine Killed in Combat West Iraq
You lost, Sid9. The Iraqis don't want Saddam, they don't want insurgents.
They want peace and freedom. And they're getting it.
Sid9
I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
The elections, a great Bush,Jr success,....bring out troops home *NOW*
Christian Williamson
> I'm an American.
>
> I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
>
> The elections, a great Bush,Jr success,....bring out troops home *NOW*
When are the troops leaving Kosovo? And Germany? And Japan? Why have you
called for troop withdrawal from one country only?
Sid9
Christian Williamson
> The subject is *IRAQ*
Yes. It is. And losers always ignore their inconsistencies when their
complaints don't fit other situations, don't they?
You lost, Sid9. The Iraqi people won. And George W. Bush won.
Frank Pittel
: Sid9 wrote:
: > U.S. Marine Killed in Combat West Iraq
: You lost, Sid9. The Iraqis don't want Saddam, they don't want insurgents.
: They want peace and freedom. And they're getting it.
I was reading an article linked to by drudge that the mayor of Bagdad wants to
put up a statue in honor of Bush.
: >
: > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
: >
: > Published: January 31, 2005
: >
: > Filed at 12:43 a.m. ET
: >
: > BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- A U.S. Marine was killed in combat in Iraq's western
: > Anbar province, the U.S. military said Monday.
: >
: > The Marine, assigned to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, was killed while
: > troops conducted security operations on Sunday, the Marines said in a
: > statement.
: >
: > The statement did not say exactly where the Marine was killed, saying the
: > release of further information could aid insurgents.
: >
: > The vast Anbar province is home to the flashpoint cities of Ramadi and
: > Fallujah.
: >
: > More than 1,400 U.S. service members have been killed in Iraq since the
: > March 2003 invasion.
: >
: >
: >
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Sid9
Christian Williamson
> Huh?
Go ahead. Tell us why you haven't called for troop withdrawals from
South Korea, Japan, Germany, and Kosovo, but you've called for troop
withdrawals from Iraq.
Sid9
1. Bush declares the Iraqi election a "success"
2. Another Marine died there today.
3. Let's get out of this "Bush,Jr success" now so that no more of our troops
will die.
(please note that none of our troops are dying in any of the places you
mention)
(please also note that Bush,Jr has not declared any of those places
"successes" yet)
Sid9
> In alt.politics.usa.republican Christian Williamson
> <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Sid9 wrote:
>>> U.S. Marine Killed in Combat West Iraq
>
>> You lost, Sid9. The Iraqis don't want Saddam, they don't want
>> insurgents.
>
>> They want peace and freedom. And they're getting it.
>
>
> I was reading an article linked to by drudge that the mayor of Bagdad
> wants to put up a statue in honor of Bush.
I favor that! I hope it's bigger than Saddam's!
Christian Williamson
> Frank Pittel wrote:
>
>>In alt.politics.usa.republican Christian Williamson
>><c.w...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Sid9 wrote:
>>>
>>>>U.S. Marine Killed in Combat West Iraq
>>
>>>You lost, Sid9. The Iraqis don't want Saddam, they don't want
>>>insurgents.
>>
>>>They want peace and freedom. And they're getting it.
>>
>>
>>I was reading an article linked to by drudge that the mayor of Bagdad
>>wants to put up a statue in honor of Bush.
>
>
>
> I favor that! I hope it's bigger than Saddam's!
That would be wonderful. The Iraqi people showing their gratitude with a
staute of Bush.
They may also want to name a few streets after administration officials
and soldiers.
Christian Williamson
> Let's start over.
>
> 1. Bush declares the Iraqi election a "success"
> 2. Another Marine died there today.
> 3. Let's get out of this "Bush,Jr success" now so that no more of our troops
> will die.
1. The citizens of the US successfully drove from Point A to Point B
yesterday.
2. People were killed in a car accidents in the US yesterday.
3. Let's get rid of cars.
>
> (please note that none of our troops are dying in any of the places you
> mention)
In other words, pull out when our troops die, is that your principle?
Sid9
Winston Smith, American Patriot
news:KwqLd.266$Kj4.251@trnddc09:
> Sid9 wrote:
>> I'm an American.
>>
>> I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
>>
>> The elections, a great Bush,Jr success,....bring out troops home
>> *NOW*
>
> When are the troops leaving Kosovo? And Germany? And Japan? Why have
> you called for troop withdrawal from one country only?
That's the only country we criminally invaded and now occupy.
Unlike you, ***I*** believe in the rule of law, and that includes the
treaties we sign.
We don't belong in Iraq, and never did.
>> Christian Williamson wrote:
>>
>>>Sid9 wrote:
>>>
>>>>U.S. Marine Killed in Combat West Iraq
>>>
>>>You lost, Sid9. The Iraqis don't want Saddam, they don't want
>>>insurgents.
>>>They want peace and freedom. And they're getting it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
>>>>
>>>>Published: January 31, 2005
>>>>
>>>>Filed at 12:43 a.m. ET
>>>>
>>>>BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- A U.S. Marine was killed in combat in Iraq's
>>>>western Anbar province, the U.S. military said Monday.
>>>>
>>>>The Marine, assigned to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, was
>>>>killed while troops conducted security operations on Sunday, the
>>>>Marines said in a statement.
>>>>
>>>>The statement did not say exactly where the Marine was killed,
>>>>saying the release of further information could aid insurgents.
>>>>
>>>>The vast Anbar province is home to the flashpoint cities of Ramadi
>>>>and Fallujah.
>>>>
>>>>More than 1,400 U.S. service members have been killed in Iraq since
>>>>the March 2003 invasion.
>>
>>
>>
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topcat
"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote
in message news:Xns95EFB5FF9...@64.164.98.29...
> Christian Williamson <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:KwqLd.266$Kj4.251@trnddc09:
>
> > Sid9 wrote:
> >> I'm an American.
> >>
> >> I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
> >>
> >> The elections, a great Bush,Jr success,....bring out troops home
> >> *NOW*
> >
> > When are the troops leaving Kosovo? And Germany? And Japan? Why have
> > you called for troop withdrawal from one country only?
>
> That's the only country we criminally invaded and now occupy.
>
> Unlike you, ***I*** believe in the rule of law, and that includes the
> treaties we sign.
>
> We don't belong in Iraq, and never did.
>
Yes, I too believe countries should live up to their obligations. And if
SADDAM had only lived up to the cease fire arrangements HE AGREED TO after
Gulf War '91, he might not be where he is today. But, alas, he didn't.
TC
Sid9
Repeating the Bush, Jr *LIE*
Brian Long
"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:G3tLd.6807$qJ3....@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
So he didn't kick out UN inspectors?
Winston Smith, American Patriot
You must have been away for some time.
Even your brethren in the right-wing scum have given up the "lived up the
cease fire" stuff now only continually posted by the real shit-for-brains
right wingers. The justification of the criminal invasion/occupation is
"taking out Saddam merely because he's an awful person."
You should refresh yourself on the stale Bush/GOP talking points before
posting.
Or posting drunk.
--
Winston Smith, American Patriot
news:xJCdne1hYrh...@comcast.com:
No.
Yet another right wing moron who does not keep up.
--
Chuck Feney
>Bush Declares Iraq Election a Success.
That declaration was not for your benefit, but for those
Bushites who believe that if Bush says so it must be so.
You can find many of them trolling hereabouts, parroting
the fanciful Bush tales.
Sid9
Bush,Jr kicked out the inspectors, if that's who you meant by "he"
topcat
Unlike you "lock-step" liberals, we conservatives have minds of our own.
Saddam DID NOT live up to the cease fire agreementt, and even a hard-left
socialist like yourself knows this, Winnie.
Perhaps we should create a help group where you liberals can go and confess.
I can hear it now...
Winnie Smith: "Hi, my name is Winnie Smith and I admit Saddam Hussein did
not live up to the 1991 Gulf War cease fire agreement"
Rest of liberals: "Hello Winnie!"
TC
Sid9
You do not state the facts.
Your statement is a distortion.
Bush,jr is a liar and you are a true believer
Larry Hewitt
"topcat" <top...@aboy.com> wrote in message
news:ctloh...@news2.newsguy.com...
hahahahahohohoho.
Thanks for the ;augh.
larry
ouroboros rex
"Christian Williamson" <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:KwqLd.266$Kj4.251@trnddc09...
> Sid9 wrote:
>> I'm an American.
>>
>> I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
>>
>> The elections, a great Bush,Jr success,....bring out troops home *NOW*
>
> When are the troops leaving Kosovo?
Who's dying there?
> And Germany?
Who's dying there?
> And Japan?
Who's dying there?
Why have you
> called for troop withdrawal from one country only?
Once more CW proves he will act like a complete moron to satisfy his
keepers.
ouroboros rex
Of course, we were bombing him off and on the whole time, but it's still a
cease-fire agreement. lol
Steven L.
> I'm an American.
>
> I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
We tried "peaceful coexistence" with the Soviet empire and the result
was an endless Cold War and tens of thousands of dead American *and*
dead Soviet troops.
We tried "peaceful coexistence" with the Arab pestholes of the Middle
East and the result was 9-11.
Isolationism is dead as an American foreign policy.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
Steven L.
Christian Williamson wrote:
> Sid9 wrote:
>
>> Frank Pittel wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.politics.usa.republican Christian Williamson
>>> <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sid9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> U.S. Marine Killed in Combat West Iraq
>>>
>>>
>>>> You lost, Sid9. The Iraqis don't want Saddam, they don't want
>>>> insurgents.
>>>
>>>
>>>> They want peace and freedom. And they're getting it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was reading an article linked to by drudge that the mayor of Bagdad
>>> wants to put up a statue in honor of Bush.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I favor that! I hope it's bigger than Saddam's!
>
>
> That would be wonderful. The Iraqi people showing their gratitude with a
> staute of Bush.
>
> They may also want to name a few streets after administration officials
> and soldiers.
Maybe they can name the Baghdad sewer system after Chirac.
ouroboros rex
ouroboros rex
The one we broke first, over and over? lol
>and even a hard-left
> socialist like yourself
cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo
knows this, Winnie.
>
> Perhaps we should create a help group where you liberals can go and
> confess.
> I can hear it now...
>
> Winnie Smith: "Hi, my name is Winnie Smith and I admit Saddam Hussein did
> not live up to the 1991 Gulf War cease fire agreement"
>
> Rest of liberals: "Hello Winnie!"
>
> TC
TC = nothing but lies.
ouroboros rex
"Christian Williamson" <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:BRqLd.278$Kj4.150@trnddc09...
> Sid9 wrote:
>> Frank Pittel wrote:
>>
>>>In alt.politics.usa.republican Christian Williamson
>>><c.w...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Sid9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>U.S. Marine Killed in Combat West Iraq
>>>
>>>>You lost, Sid9. The Iraqis don't want Saddam, they don't want
>>>>insurgents.
>>>
>>>>They want peace and freedom. And they're getting it.
>>>
>>>
>>>I was reading an article linked to by drudge that the mayor of Bagdad
>>>wants to put up a statue in honor of Bush.
>>
>>
>>
>> I favor that! I hope it's bigger than Saddam's!
>
> That would be wonderful. The Iraqi people showing their gratitude with a
> staute of Bush.
>
> They may also want to name a few streets after administration officials
> and soldiers.
I think they have to be able to keep them first. lol
topcat
"ouroboros rex" <c-b...@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:ctlrtr$jmo$1...@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
Yeah, maybe Klinton should not have done that, but NO FLY means NO FLY.
TC
topcat
>
> "Christian Williamson" <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:KwqLd.266$Kj4.251@trnddc09...
> > Sid9 wrote:
> >> I'm an American.
> >>
> >> I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
> >>
> >> The elections, a great Bush,Jr success,....bring out troops home *NOW*
> >
> > When are the troops leaving Kosovo?
>
> Who's dying there?
>
Thanks to US troops, nobody.
> > And Germany?
>
> Who's dying there?
>
Thanks to US troops, nobody.
> > And Japan?
>
> Who's dying there?
>
Thanks to US troops, nobody.
<snip>
TC
Sid9
Saddam didn't fly in the "no fly zones" he had no planes to fly with.
Are you a liar, fiction writer, or ignorant?
Sid9
Getting back to the subject..now that the elections have been held, Saddam
toppled, let's get the hell out of there before another American dies...
How's tomorrow?
Sid9
> Sid9 wrote:
>
>> I'm an American.
>>
>> I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
>
> We tried "peaceful coexistence" with the Soviet empire and the result
> was an endless Cold War and tens of thousands of dead American *and*
> dead Soviet troops.
>
> We tried "peaceful coexistence" with the Arab pestholes of the Middle
> East and the result was 9-11.
>
> Isolationism is dead as an American foreign policy.
The "cold war" containment and defeat of the
Soviet Union" was a great victory for the West.
We could have done the same with Saddam at a much
lower cost in lives and wealth than the Bush,Jr fiasco.
ouroboros rex
When did they fly? We bombed them for testing their radar. Meanwhile,
they never tried to hit us with anything, IIRC.
It also meant no-fly when we had Zarkawi's terrorist camp in our sights
but Bush refused to bomb it because he needed a war to cover up
FERC/Enrongate. lol
ouroboros rex
Thanks for making my point!
Frank Pittel
: Christian Williamson wrote:
: > Sid9 wrote:
: >
: >> Frank Pittel wrote:
: >>
: >>> In alt.politics.usa.republican Christian Williamson
: >>> <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote:
: >>>
: >>>> Sid9 wrote:
: >>>>
: >>>>> U.S. Marine Killed in Combat West Iraq
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>> You lost, Sid9. The Iraqis don't want Saddam, they don't want
: >>>> insurgents.
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>> They want peace and freedom. And they're getting it.
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>
: >>> I was reading an article linked to by drudge that the mayor of Bagdad
: >>> wants to put up a statue in honor of Bush.
: >>
: >>
: >>
: >>
: >> I favor that! I hope it's bigger than Saddam's!
: >
: >
: > That would be wonderful. The Iraqi people showing their gratitude with a
: > staute of Bush.
: >
: > They may also want to name a few streets after administration officials
: > and soldiers.
: Maybe they can name the Baghdad sewer system after Chirac.
They already did that!! :-)
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topcat
Don't be stupid, Skid (oh, I forgot you can't help it). The point I'm making
is that most of the trouble during the 90's in Iraq revolved around the NO
FLY zones.
Here's an excerpt from an article for you and Obnoxious Rex to try and
comprehend.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec98/iraq_12-31.html
PHIL PONCE: After the Gulf war, the allies created so-called no-fly zones
over Northern and Southern Iraq, areas off limits to Iraqi aircraft and
patrolled by allied planes. After the latest U.S. and British bombing
attacks on Iraq, Saddam Hussein's government said it would challenge allied
planes patrolling the zones, and twice this week, Iraq fired surface-to-air
missiles at U.S. and British warplanes, which, in turn, bombed the missile
sites.
---end of excerpt
Get the picture now, libbies? I doubt it.
TC
Sid9
Bush,Jr had Saddam on the ropes with his threats.
But, Bush,jr was not smart enough to realize that
Saddam had capitulated and that we did not have
to get involved in a ground war in the Middle East.
The very ground war that presidents both Replublican
and Democrat avoided in the Middle East.
But, Bush,jr is not very smart.
He's the president of *low expectations* and
that's exactly what we get from him
Doom 'n' Gloom Goon Gone Bonkers
Skid9 loves it when a G.I. dies in the line of duty.
Because ill-Liberal piece of DemoCRAP hack Skid9 sees this tragedy of
another G.I. death only as an opportunity to bash our Commander-in-Chief
and to spit on our military members as B.J.Clintoon, Teddy
Chappaquiddick Kennedy and John Fraud Kerry did to our returning Nam
vets over 3 decades ago.
F U C K
Y O U,
S K I D
!!!!!! !!!!!! !!!!!!
A loser leading other losers to where all losers belong, to nowhere, to
sheer and utter defeat, to the state of complete powerlessness in which
the Democrat Party finds itself today --
secretary drowner Teddy "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy
http://www.ytedk.com/chapter5.htm
Sid9
Nope...you love American deaths.
There wouldn't be any if Bush,Jr got them packed up and out of there.
He's had his election.
He can declare victory again.
Now let's get out of that quagmire.
Tomorrow is not soon enough
Christian Williamson
> Christian Williamson <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:KwqLd.266$Kj4.251@trnddc09:
>
>
>>Sid9 wrote:
>>
>>>I'm an American.
>>>
>>>I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
>>>
>>>The elections, a great Bush,Jr success,....bring out troops home
>>>*NOW*
>>
>>When are the troops leaving Kosovo? And Germany? And Japan? Why have
>>you called for troop withdrawal from one country only?
>
>
> That's the only country we criminally invaded and now occupy.
>
> Unlike you, ***I*** believe in the rule of law, and that includes the
> treaties we sign.
Sure. Cite the legal reason for attacking Yugoslavia.
>
> We don't belong in Iraq, and never did.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>Christian Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sid9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>U.S. Marine Killed in Combat West Iraq
>>>>
>>>>You lost, Sid9. The Iraqis don't want Saddam, they don't want
>>>>insurgents.
>>>>They want peace and freedom. And they're getting it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
>>>>>
>>>>>Published: January 31, 2005
>>>>>
>>>>>Filed at 12:43 a.m. ET
>>>>>
>>>>>BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- A U.S. Marine was killed in combat in Iraq's
>>>>>western Anbar province, the U.S. military said Monday.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Marine, assigned to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, was
>>>>>killed while troops conducted security operations on Sunday, the
>>>>>Marines said in a statement.
>>>>>
>>>>>The statement did not say exactly where the Marine was killed,
>>>>>saying the release of further information could aid insurgents.
>>>>>
>>>>>The vast Anbar province is home to the flashpoint cities of Ramadi
>>>>>and Fallujah.
>>>>>
>>>>>More than 1,400 U.S. service members have been killed in Iraq since
>>>>>the March 2003 invasion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
Julian D.
Once again Bush will ignore you.
Doesn't it get tedious?
JD
"On the other hand, I think sometimes I take kind of a delight
in who the critics are."
-President George W. Bush
Time's Person Of The Year
2004
"The course of this nation does not depend on the decisions of
others."
-President George W. Bush
SOA
2003
"Exit polls do not support the allegations of fraud due to rigging of
voting equipment. Our analysis of the difference between the vote
count and the exit poll at each polling location in our sample has
found no systematic differences for precincts using touch screen and
optical scan voting equipment," the report found.
-CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/19/exit.polls/
Sid9
Tonight's news reports the deaths of four more American troops.
More blood on Bush,jr's hands and on the hands of his supporters.
Voter
> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:G3tLd.6807$qJ3....@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>> topcat wrote:
>>> "Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV>
>>> wrote in message news:Xns95EFB5FF9...@64.164.98.29...
>>>> Christian Williamson <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote in
>>>> news:KwqLd.266$Kj4.251@trnddc09:
>>>>
>>>>> Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>> I'm an American.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The elections, a great Bush,Jr success,....bring out troops home
>>>>>> *NOW*
>>>>>
>>>>> When are the troops leaving Kosovo? And Germany? And Japan? Why have
>>>>> you called for troop withdrawal from one country only?
>>>>
>>>> That's the only country we criminally invaded and now occupy.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike you, ***I*** believe in the rule of law, and that includes the
>>>> treaties we sign.
>>>>
>>>> We don't belong in Iraq, and never did.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I too believe countries should live up to their obligations. And
>>> if SADDAM had only lived up to the cease fire arrangements HE AGREED
>>> TO after Gulf War '91, he might not be where he is today. But, alas,
>>> he didn't.
>>>
>>> TC
>>
>>
>> Repeating the Bush, Jr *LIE*
>
>
> So he didn't kick out UN inspectors?
No, he didn't.
--
1/31/2005 7:25:04 PM
Voter
Hans Blix himself said that the war had been planned well in advance of the
inspections. He never said the inspectors were "kicked out". In fact, he
said that although Saddam was not giving them 100% access, he felt they
were making good progress. What Bush feared is what Blix claimed; there was
no smoking gun to be found. So Bush, realizing that if the inspections were
allowed to continue, the final report would tell us what we know now; there
were no WMD's. No WMD's, then no war. So Bush concocted the story about the
inspectors being "kicked out". I'll bet you forget this part: Saddam had
Bush on the ropes because he was actually beginning to allow the inspectors
to enter places he had refused them before. He also, you'll recall, was
going to allow his scientists to be interviewed by Blix's people. Then
Bush, concerned now that Iraq was going to comply fully with the inspection
process, issued another "final ultimatum". This "final ultimatum" was that
if Saddam did not allow fly overs by U2 spy planes over Iraq, then that
would be a sign of his refusal to co operate, and the US would have "no
choice" but to invade. Bush kept moving the bar with his "final
ultimatums". Well, Saddam allowed the flights, and the rest is history.
Bush lied then, and he is lying now. He seems to find it a very easy thing
to do. He is a disgrace. The rest of the world knows it already, as do a
large number of Americans. The rest will come to their senses over the next
four years.
--
1/31/2005 7:29:18 PM
Voter
> "Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote
> in message news:Xns95EFBFB06...@64.164.98.6...
>> "topcat" <top...@aboy.com> wrote in news:ctllk...@news4.newsguy.com:
>>
>>>
>>> "Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV>
>>> wrote in message news:Xns95EFB5FF9...@64.164.98.29...
>>>> Christian Williamson <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote in
>>>> news:KwqLd.266$Kj4.251@trnddc09:
>>>>
>>>> > Sid9 wrote:
>>>> >> I'm an American.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The elections, a great Bush,Jr success,....bring out troops home
>>>> >> *NOW*
>>>> >
>>>> > When are the troops leaving Kosovo? And Germany? And Japan? Why
>>>> > have you called for troop withdrawal from one country only?
>>>>
>>>> That's the only country we criminally invaded and now occupy.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike you, ***I*** believe in the rule of law, and that includes the
>>>> treaties we sign.
>>>>
>>>> We don't belong in Iraq, and never did.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I too believe countries should live up to their obligations. And
>>> if SADDAM had only lived up to the cease fire arrangements HE AGREED
>>> TO after Gulf War '91,
>>> he might not be where he is today. But, alas,
>>> he didn't.
>>> TC
>>
>> You must have been away for some time.
>>
>> Even your brethren in the right-wing scum have given up the "lived up the
>> cease fire" stuff now only continually posted by the real shit-for-brains
>> right wingers. The justification of the criminal invasion/occupation is
>> "taking out Saddam merely because he's an awful person."
>>
>> You should refresh yourself on the stale Bush/GOP talking points before
>> posting.
>>
>> Or posting drunk.
>>
>
>
> Unlike you "lock-step" liberals, we conservatives have minds of our own.
>
> Saddam DID NOT live up to the cease fire agreementt, and even a hard-left
> socialist like yourself knows this, Winnie.
>
> Perhaps we should create a help group where you liberals can go and confess.
> I can hear it now...
>
> Winnie Smith: "Hi, my name is Winnie Smith and I admit Saddam Hussein did
> not live up to the 1991 Gulf War cease fire agreement"
>
> Rest of liberals: "Hello Winnie!"
>
> TC
So you're saying that if he had "lived up to the cease fire" (America was
as much to blame for the no fly zone fiasco, because they kept sending
fighter jets and spy planes into areas off limits to them. They were, in
fact, invading Iraqi airspace, and, in effect, the Iraqi's did have a right
to shoot at them. But of course, Bush never mentioned that. He must have
forgotten to) then the US would not have invaded? I thought this was about
liberating a country from a brutal dictator and bringing democracy to the
people of Iraq. Now you say the invasion was in response to Saddam's
refusal to abide by the cease fire agreement and not to liberate the people
under his dictatorship. Finally you've come to the same conclusion the
"liberals" came to a while back, some even before the war, that the
"democratizing of Iraq" reason for the war (I think that was reason #12 or
#13) came about only after the failure of the other "reasons" (WMD's,
imminent threat, mushroom clouds, cease fire, etc.) were proven to be dead
ends and lies. Welcome to the world of reality.
PS To find out how much these people in this current administration really
care about the Iraqi people:
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
--
1/31/2005 8:05:11 PM
Voter
It also meant NO FLY for the US and British planes that knowingly and
illegally flew into Iraqi airspace outside of the restricted no fly zone.
Both countries continually violated this agreement. Middle Eastern
diplomats complained, but to no avail. Bush was flexing his arrogant
muscles and goading Saddam into a confrontation. As has been mentioned and
documented with clear cut evidence many times before (see PNAC, for
example) the war was planned well before 9/11 and all the lying Bush had to
do to deceive Americans into believing an attack was necessary. Bush is a
disgrace.
--
1/31/2005 8:26:59 PM
Sid9
Four of our troops died today.
The president of Low Expectations
told us our losses would continue.
Haven't you been listening?
Let's have our president of Low Expectattion declare victory again and start
getting out
.....Tomorrow..... before Bush,jr has more American blood on his hands.
Horatio Fudruckerton wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:24:42 -0500, "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> U.S. Marine Killed in Combat West Iraq
>
>
>
> The election WAS a success. Are you saying that anyone
> claimed that all violence would stop after the elections ?
> If so, then you have got to be among the most ignorant
> in this group.
>
> Or are you just trying to be *cute* ? If so then you are
> an utter failure.
>
>
>
>
>> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
>>
>> Published: January 31, 2005
>>
>> Filed at 12:43 a.m. ET
>>
>> BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- A U.S. Marine was killed in combat in Iraq's
>> western Anbar province, the U.S. military said Monday.
>>
>> The Marine, assigned to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, was
>> killed while troops conducted security operations on Sunday, the
>> Marines said in a statement.
>>
>> The statement did not say exactly where the Marine was killed,
>> saying the release of further information could aid insurgents.
>>
>> The vast Anbar province is home to the flashpoint cities of Ramadi
>> and Fallujah.
>>
>> More than 1,400 U.S. service members have been killed in Iraq since
>> the March 2003 invasion.
>
>
> "The cowardice and hatred of liberals is a stench
> in the nostrils of all American Patriots; past,
> present and future."
>
Where did Bush, Jr do his heroic service?
Real patriots join the service to do
battle...not avoid battle like coward Georgie,Jr.
and many in his administration
Sid9
> "Voter" <lrs...@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:1ret2268w3ae8.1u607hfavvxa4$.dlg@40tude.net...
> comprehend the fact there were MULTIPLE reasons for invading Iraq.
>
> Remember when your hero BJ Clinton told us about Iraqs WMD in 1998?
> The ones Saddam was supposed to PROVE he didn't have, but never did?
>
> Remember when John Kerry told us Saddam was a threat prior to voting
> for the resolution authorizing the President to use force?
>
> Remember when the UN security council voted unanimously to threaten
> Saddam with "severe consequences" because of his cat and mouse games
> with the inspectors?
>
> Were all these people liars?
>
> Remember the specific UN resolutions regarding the 1991 cease fire?
> Many of which Saddam completely ignored as he bilked his own people
> out of food and medicine in the oil-for-new palaces for Saddam
> program?
>
> Remember the mass graves in Iraq? Remember the slaughtering of the
> Shia? Remember the gassing of the Kurds? Remember all of these human
> rights violations committed by Saddam?
>
> Remember 9/11? Anti-American dictators can not exist in a post 9/11
> world.
>
> There, now take your pick. Any one of these reasons is good enough to
> have overthrown Saddam. Thank God GWB had the nuts to do it, unlike
> the previous President.
>
> TC
Remember?
Saddam was neutered.
Saddam's air force was gone.
Saddam's people had no food.
Saddam's people had no medicine.
Saddam had been neutralized and contained *without a ground war*
We had regular overflights watching his every move
Inspectors had full unfettered access to anyplace in Iraq UNANNOUNCED
Saddam had caved
We had won.
We had beaten Saddam.
We didn't have to do a thing more than we were doing.
That's when the president of Low Expectations attacked.
A world class disastrous lack of judgment by Bush,Jr
Julian D.
We're at war.
Sid9
An unnecessary war brought on by the poor judgement of Bush,jr.
Stop further damage to our country.
Get out now.
It's a perfect time.
Bush,jr can claim a victory and pull out now.
Docky Wocky
"An unnecessary war brought on by the poor judgement of Bush,jr...."
__________________________________
Still pretending you're important enough that someone is going to pay
attention to your skreed, hmm?
Sid9
You left out this part:
Fredric L. Rice
>Sid9 wrote:
>> U.S. Marine Killed in Combat West Iraq
>You lost, Sid9.
You don't care that your Fuhrer has slaughtered over 100,000 innocent
people in Iraq? You also don't care that "USA PATRIOT Act" suspends
your Constitutional rights and the Bill of Rights? Are you honestly
that so fucking rightarded?
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>
> "ouroboros rex" <c-b...@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
> news:ctlrtr$jmo$1...@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
>>
>> "topcat" <top...@aboy.com> wrote in message
>> news:ctllk...@news4.newsguy.com...
>> >
>> > "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
>> > <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote
>> > in message news:Xns95EFB5FF9...@64.164.98.29...
>> >> Christian Williamson <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote in
>> >> news:KwqLd.266$Kj4.251@trnddc09:
>> >>
>> >> > Sid9 wrote:
>> >> >> I'm an American.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The elections, a great Bush,Jr success,....bring out troops
>> >> >> home *NOW*
>> >> >
>> >> > When are the troops leaving Kosovo? And Germany? And Japan? Why
>> >> > have you called for troop withdrawal from one country only?
>> >>
>> >> That's the only country we criminally invaded and now occupy.
>> >>
>> >> Unlike you, ***I*** believe in the rule of law, and that includes
>> >> the treaties we sign.
>> >>
>> >> We don't belong in Iraq, and never did.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, I too believe countries should live up to their obligations.
>> > And if SADDAM had only lived up to the cease fire arrangements HE
>> > AGREED TO
> after
>> > Gulf War '91, he might not be where he is today. But, alas, he
>> > didn't.
>>
>> Of course, we were bombing him off and on the whole time, but it's
>> still
> a
>> cease-fire agreement. lol
>>
>>
>
> Yeah, maybe Klinton should not have done that, but NO FLY means NO
> FLY.
Uh, TC, you need to read the cease-fire resolution. The UN itself
imposed NO no-fly zone. That was done unilaterally by the US and the UK,
which had no authority to do so. Saddam never accepted----nor was
obligated to accept----the no-fly zones or their enforcement, which he
saw as a violation of sovereign airspace (it was, according to all rights
and responsibilities of nations). And this is why he directed his anti-
aircraft batteries to fire at US and UK jets. He told the UN he had the
authority to defend Iraqi airspace, and he had made statement ever to say
he accepted a no-fly zone.
Jesus Christ, TC, you really need to keep up or the other right wingers
in these groups, who at least have their talking points in order, are
going to say that you are making them look bad. Which in fact you are.
--
Winston Smith, American Patriot
> Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
>> Christian Williamson <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:KwqLd.266$Kj4.251@trnddc09:
>>
>>
>>>Sid9 wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm an American.
>>>>
>>>>I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
>>>>
>>>>The elections, a great Bush,Jr success,....bring out troops home
>>>>*NOW*
>>>
>>>When are the troops leaving Kosovo? And Germany? And Japan? Why have
>>>you called for troop withdrawal from one country only?
>>
>>
>> That's the only country we criminally invaded and now occupy.
>>
>> Unlike you, ***I*** believe in the rule of law, and that includes the
>> treaties we sign.
>
> Sure. Cite the legal reason for attacking Yugoslavia.
Both Milosevic and Saddam had UN resolutions demanding a cease-fire.
Moreover, Milosevic had a demand from the UN that he withdraw from
Kosovo, whose people had declared their independence, as Croatia and
Bosnia had done before them. Milosevic was trying to create a Greater
Serbia by force when it was clear that these states only come together as
a "federation" by force. Milosevic not only violated the terms of the
resolution, he had openly shown contempt for the UN and for the
international community. His only two defenders among an array of
nations deploring the acts of Yugoslavia were Greece and Russia, who
shamefully defended the Serbs only because they were 'family.'
see http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9810/06/kosovo.03/
Saddam on the other hand accepted the presence of UNSCOM for seven years,
and had been pressing the UN for a rehabilitation timetable, which the UN
never got around doing because of recalcitrance by the US and UK, whose
express intentions were that Iraq never be rehabilitated while Hussein
was in power. (I am sure they thought the same thing about Qaddafi and
Libya, but who is all kissy-faced with Muammar now????) It was UNSCOM
who left because Saddam had been frustrating their efforts largely
because the UN had been frustrating his attempt to get an answer on the
rehabilitation question. Saddam reluctantly accepted the presence of
UNMOVIC without ever getting an answer on the rehabilitation question:
he should have realized that the UN presence would be permanent so long
as he remained in power, although Saddam NEVER did anything to violate
the spirit, much less the letter, of the cease-fire agreement. Was
Saddam a murdering tyrant? Most certainly. But international law does
not allow the UN or nation-states to interfere in the internal matters of
other nation-states. The Peoples' Republic of China has been saying this
long and loud for decades, and we all know why. So why hasn't Bush
massed his forces on the Chinese border????
In addition see:
You also have the fact that Slobodan Milosevic, the president of the
Yugoslav "Federation" at the time of the attack, is in a holding cell at
the Hague, awaiting trial. If his country had been illegally attacked,
why did the UN have a warrant for his arrest???
From this (http://tinyurl.com/7yjz8):
Collective measures against Yugoslavia (1998). In response to the
humanitarian crisis in Kosovo, the member States of the European
Community adopted legislation providing for the freezing of Yugoslav
funds and an
immediate flight ban.853 For a number of countries, such
as Germany, France and the United Kingdom, the latter measure implied
the non-performance of bilateral aviation agreements.854 Because of
doubts about the legitimacy of the action, the British government
initially was prepared to follow the one-year denunciation procedure
provided for in article 17 of its agreement with Yugoslavia. However,
it later changed its position and denounced flights with immediate
effect. Justifying the measure, it stated that .President Milosevic.s
... worsening record on human rights, means that, on moral and political
grounds, he has forfeited the right of his Government to insist on the
12 months notice which would normally apply..855 The Federal Republic
of Yugoslavia protested these measures as .unlawful, unilateral and an
example of the policy of discrimination..856
>> We don't belong in Iraq, and never did.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Christian Williamson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>U.S. Marine Killed in Combat West Iraq
>>>>>
>>>>>You lost, Sid9. The Iraqis don't want Saddam, they don't want
>>>>>insurgents.
>>>>>They want peace and freedom. And they're getting it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Published: January 31, 2005
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Filed at 12:43 a.m. ET
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- A U.S. Marine was killed in combat in Iraq's
>>>>>>western Anbar province, the U.S. military said Monday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Marine, assigned to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, was
>>>>>>killed while troops conducted security operations on Sunday, the
>>>>>>Marines said in a statement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The statement did not say exactly where the Marine was killed,
>>>>>>saying the release of further information could aid insurgents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The vast Anbar province is home to the flashpoint cities of Ramadi
>>>>>>and Fallujah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>More than 1,400 U.S. service members have been killed in Iraq
>>>>>>since the March 2003 invasion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
--
HMFIC1369
"Chuck Feney" <iron.heart@Halliburton.> wrote in message
news:agosv0h7g78ukdcfh...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >Bush Declares Iraq Election a Success.
>
> That declaration was not for your benefit, but for those
> Bushites who believe that if Bush says so it must be so.
>
> You can find many of them trolling hereabouts, parroting
> the fanciful Bush tales.
Christian Williamson
> Christian Williamson <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:bgzLd.1778$dB4.1631@trnddc06:
>
>
>>Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
>>
>>>Christian Williamson <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote in
>>>news:KwqLd.266$Kj4.251@trnddc09:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sid9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm an American.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
>>>>>
>>>>>The elections, a great Bush,Jr success,....bring out troops home
>>>>>*NOW*
>>>>
>>>>When are the troops leaving Kosovo? And Germany? And Japan? Why have
>>>>you called for troop withdrawal from one country only?
>>>
>>>
>>>That's the only country we criminally invaded and now occupy.
>>>
>>>Unlike you, ***I*** believe in the rule of law, and that includes the
>>>treaties we sign.
>>
>>Sure. Cite the legal reason for attacking Yugoslavia.
>
This is sad. With all that you copied and pasted below, you have not
once cited a legal reason for NATO -- not the UN -- to attack Yugoslavia.
You are aware that the UN Security Council never once gave approval for
the attack on Yugoslavia, right?
Milosevic is in the Hague for a special court set up just for war crimes
in the Balkans. And that is good. But that is not a justification for
the war. It is a result of the war, a war that was waged without UN
approval.
By your standard, the US criminally invaded Yugoslavia, your attempts to
justify it notwithstanding.
Christian Williamson
>
>
> Christian Williamson wrote:
>
>> Sid9 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> In alt.politics.usa.republican Christian Williamson
>>>>
>>>>> Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> U.S. Marine Killed in Combat West Iraq
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You lost, Sid9. The Iraqis don't want Saddam, they don't want
>>>>> insurgents.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> They want peace and freedom. And they're getting it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wants to put up a statue in honor of Bush.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I favor that! I hope it's bigger than Saddam's!
>>
>>
>>
>> That would be wonderful. The Iraqi people showing their gratitude with
>> a staute of Bush.
>>
>> They may also want to name a few streets after administration
>> officials and soldiers.
>
>
> Maybe they can name the Baghdad sewer system after Chirac.
I dunno. A good sewer system in the Middle East is quite precious.
Winston Smith, American Patriot
The US was defending Kosovo AGAINST the attacks of an entity that no
longer exists, called the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY). The FRY
now exists as Serbia and Montenegro, according to the CIA.
The action of all NATO countries to defend Kosovo against FRY can be
taken without United Nations Security Council authority, just as the
Coalition to Liberate Kuwait in 1991 could take the authority to repel
the Iraqi invaders without UNSC authority. That George H. W. Bush went
to the UNSC anyway was merely a courtesy, and probably something he was
used to doing as a former diplomat. Kuwait was within its right to ask
another nation to help it repel an invader/occupier.
It is not always necessary to ask the United Nations Security Council for
the authority to attack a nation, and no such statement was ever made.
The conditions under which an attack can be mounted (usually in response
to an attack or threat of attack constituting an act of war) are all
spelled out; the attacking nation assumes the risk that the United
Nations will see such as an attack as legitimate within the traditional
covenants of the nation-state (formalized in the UN charter).
George W. Bush attacked Afghanistan, and was within his right to do,
without having to petition the Security Council. The Security Council
blessed the action nonetheless. Bush's actions in Afghanistan are a
model of good behavior. Unfortunately, his actions in Iraq are the exact
opposite...a model of criminal behavior.
--
topcat
Winnie, why do you always assume the worst of me? I KNOW ALL OF WHAT YOU
WROTE ABOVE. Here's the thing, though. After the '91 war, I really DIDN'T
CARE what Saddam wanted and still don't.
The fact your boy Klinton continued the NO FLY zones is testament to the
fact they were in the US interest. That's the interest I care about.
Now, since you're so up on the cease fire resolutions, why don't you post
the ones Saddam ADHERED to right here....
We'll all wait as you continue to defend the dictator.
TC
Winston Smith, American Patriot
My boy Clinton???
Clinton was a sell-out (assuming he ever bought in in the first place).
He made a show of moving the Democrats to the center---that is, trying to
meet the right wing halfway-----instead of moving his party to what is
true, honest, fair, just, right, moral, and correct (call this point the
point "Where We Should All Be Going"). Moving one's party toward the
right wing is to move it in the OPPOSITE direction of "Where We Should
All Be Going."
And now Hillary seems to be pretty much doing the same. Rubber-stamping
Israeli brutality merely because she has an incredibly high constituency
of American Jews, and I believe her senior colleague Shumer, who is
basically a decent guy, is also looking the other way when it comes to
the Israeli right wingers putting the unjust hurt on Palestinians.
If "moving to the center" (lurching to the right) means compromising
fundamentally held principles of justice and fairness, then there will be
on compromise.
Don't call Clinton "my boy." Your kind has time and again said he was a
perjurer and filthy sex predator, and so now you're trying to give him
credibility on his Iraq policy???
> Now, since you're so up on the cease fire resolutions, why don't you
> post the ones Saddam ADHERED to right here....
You mean you have not yet learned how to use Google????
Here, let me help you:
Oh, and since you connect to the Internet for this reason really, here's
another helpful link:
> We'll all wait as you continue to defend the dictator.
Well, in another thread, I said there was nothing wrong with Bush's
invasion of Afghanistan. How's that for "defend[ing] the dictator"?
--
RectumHead Richter
>More blood
Why do you want the sacrifices of our noble liberating G.I.s to go for
nought?
Is there ever a time 21st century ill-Liberal DemonRATS will support our
national defense?
Have the pro-American traditions of FDR, Truman, and JFK been erased
from the memories of "living" DemoCRAPS forever?
Or will the Duddocrats always play the part of the enemy within, the
part of the bad guys siding with the even "badder" guys; i.e., the
Islamo-Fascist terrorists?
_
Sid9
It's your idiocy and Bush,Jr's lies that should sicken any patriotic
American.
ouroboros rex
"RectumHeadRichter"
<FruitLoopyLooneyTunesLef...@webtv.net> wrote in
message news:4540-41F...@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net...
>>>sk...@hellsouth.nyet (Skid9) typically puked pinko:
>
>>More blood
>
> Why do you want the sacrifices of our noble liberating G.I.s to go for
> nought?
>
> Is there ever a time 21st century ill-Liberal DemonRATS will support our
> national defense?
maybe when we actually start doing some? rofl
topcat
You've really turned into a (more) bitter person since I took a little break
from posting Winnie. Probably has something to do with your party and your
ideology being voted out time and time again.
Does the thought that *you* might be wrong ever cross your mind? No, I bet
it doesn't.
But, thanks for NOT pointing out the resolutions Saddam adhered to.
Obviously, you can't because he didn't. Checkmate.
TC
Voter
You're way off. The no fly zones were imposed by the US, Britain and France
after the Gulk War. They were not authorized by the UN and are not
specifically sanctioned by any UN resolution. Please provide evidence that
the UN itself imposed the no fly zone. The fact that Saddam did or did not
adhere to the resolutions is not the point. The more Saddam gave in, the
more the administration kept advancing the bar. Do some objective research
and you'll come to the conclusion that the final outcome was never in
Saddam's hands. He was in a lose lose situation as far as this
administration was concerned. Look beyond the talking points from the White
House and the right wing media and you'll find many contradictory
assessments of Iraq's compliance/ non compliance with the resolutions.
Again, here is Colin Powell on 2/4/2001:
JOINT PRESS CONFERENCE WITH AMRE MOUSSA,
FOREIGN MINISTER OF EGYPT
and
COLIN L. POWELL,
U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE
Cairo, Egypt 2/24/01:
Powell: "We will always try to consult with our friends in the region so
that they are not surprised and do everything we can to explain the purpose
of our responses. We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and
the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the
sanctions--the fact that the sanctions exist-- not for the purpose of
hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam
Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We
should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those
sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That
purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began
it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant
capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to
project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our
policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq, and these
are policies that we are going to keep in place, but we are always willing
to review them to make sure that they are being carried out in a way that
does not affect the Iraqi people but does affect the Iraqi regime's
ambitions and the ability to acquire weapons of mass destruction, and we
had a good conversation on this issue."
Was Powell lying? Misinformed? Stupid? None of the above. Powell was
telling the truth.
--
2/1/2005 2:06:11 PM
Christian Williamson
It doesn't exist now, stupid. But Kosovo IS STILL a part of Serbia.
>
> The action of all NATO countries to defend Kosovo against FRY can be
> taken without United Nations Security Council authority, just as the
> Coalition to Liberate Kuwait in 1991 could take the authority to repel
> the Iraqi invaders without UNSC authority. That George H. W. Bush went
> to the UNSC anyway was merely a courtesy, and probably something he was
> used to doing as a former diplomat. Kuwait was within its right to ask
> another nation to help it repel an invader/occupier.
>
> It is not always necessary to ask the United Nations Security Council for
> the authority to attack a nation, and no such statement was ever made.
> The conditions under which an attack can be mounted (usually in response
> to an attack or threat of attack constituting an act of war) are all
> spelled out; the attacking nation assumes the risk that the United
> Nations will see such as an attack as legitimate within the traditional
> covenants of the nation-state (formalized in the UN charter).
>
> George W. Bush attacked Afghanistan, and was within his right to do,
> without having to petition the Security Council. The Security Council
> blessed the action nonetheless. Bush's actions in Afghanistan are a
> model of good behavior. Unfortunately, his actions in Iraq are the exact
> opposite...a model of criminal behavior.
In other words, you're completely arbitrary about what's criminal and
what's not criminal. This is about as stupid as that claim that Bush
could nuke St. Louis and not get impeached.
charlesnel...@yahoo.com
this election to begin with -- must not simply claim victory.
"Elections don't fix economies." Significant reconstruction hurdles
remain. Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and
International Studies warns: "We do not see coming out of this any of
the elements of economic stability... that underpin the election."
Less than one-fifth of the $18 billion dollars in aid that the United
States pledged two years ago has been disbursed in the country, which
is plagued by high unemployment and low levels of development. Unless
the new government can deliver on improving Iraqis' everyday lives, the
post-election honeymoon will be short-lived.
Shalom,
---Leland Milton Goldblatt, Ph.D. ®
Distinguished Professor
http://www.prof.faithweb.com
BETTER DEAD THEN RED!
W Is still not my pRESIDENT.
George W. Bush's huge tax cuts legalized looting, wrong about the
replacement of a $5 trillion surplus with a $3 trillion deficit.
The Reverend Doctor Leland Milton Goldblatt, Founder and President of
the Georgian Trinity Southwestern Coalition, is one of America's
foremost civil rights, religious and political figures. Over the past
fifty years he has played a pivotal role in virtually every movement
for empowerment, peace, civil rights, gender equality, and economic and
social justice.
Reverend Milton Goldblatt has been called the "Conscience of the
Nation" and "the Great Unifier," challenging America to be inclusive
and to establish just and human priorities for the benefit of all. He
is known for bringing people together in common ground across lines of
race, culture, class, gender and belief.
After Stealing Two Elections, Bush Stands up for Democracy in the
Ukraine. For the Republicans, Democracy is Only for Other Countries.
Sid9
>> topcat wrote:
>>> "ouroboros rex" <c-b...@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:ctlrtr$jmo$1...@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
>>>>
>>>> "topcat" <top...@aboy.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ctllk...@news4.newsguy.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
>>>>> <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote
>>>>> in message news:Xns95EFB5FF9...@64.164.98.29...
>>>>>> news:KwqLd.266$Kj4.251@trnddc09:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm an American.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The elections, a great Bush,Jr success,....bring out troops
>>>>>>>> home *NOW*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When are the troops leaving Kosovo? And Germany? And Japan? Why
>>>>>>> have you called for troop withdrawal from one country only?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the only country we criminally invaded and now occupy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unlike you, ***I*** believe in the rule of law, and that includes
>>>>>> the treaties we sign.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And if SADDAM had only lived up to the cease fire arrangements HE
>>>>> AGREED TO after Gulf War '91, he might not be where he is today.
>>>>> But, alas, he didn't.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, we were bombing him off and on the whole time, but
>>>> it's still a cease-fire agreement. lol
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, maybe Klinton should not have done that, but NO FLY means NO
>>> FLY.
>>>
>>
>> Saddam didn't fly in the "no fly zones" he had no planes to fly with.
>> Are you a liar, fiction writer, or ignorant?
>>
>>
>
> Don't be stupid, Skid (oh, I forgot you can't help it). The point I'm
> making is that most of the trouble during the 90's in Iraq revolved
> around the NO FLY zones.
>
> Here's an excerpt from an article for you and Obnoxious Rex to try and
> comprehend.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec98/iraq_12-31.html
>
> PHIL PONCE: After the Gulf war, the allies created so-called no-fly
> zones over Northern and Southern Iraq, areas off limits to Iraqi
> aircraft and patrolled by allied planes. After the latest U.S. and
> British bombing attacks on Iraq, Saddam Hussein's government said it
> would challenge allied planes patrolling the zones, and twice this
> week, Iraq fired surface-to-air missiles at U.S. and British
> warplanes, which, in turn, bombed the missile sites.
>
> ---end of excerpt
>
> Get the picture now, libbies? I doubt it.
>
> TC
It's all BS. Bushit.
The war was not necessary.
Saddam had caved on every demand.
Bush *LIED* us into a unnecessary war
Nearly 1500 American troops lie dead.
Over 10,000 maimed.
Their lives and the lives of their families changed forever.
$200 billion in the Iraqi toilet.
Only our soldiers sacrifice.
Bush gives his rich friends taxcuts....nothing is asked of them.
*Bush lied; soldiers died*
Winston Smith, American Patriot
One quickly sees when you are losing the argument, because then you go
right for the ad hominem.
> But Kosovo IS STILL a part of Serbia.
I hope you can tell us all right now who is administering Kosovo at this
very moment, so that you do not yourself look stupid. Which apparently
you very much are. STUPID, that is.
[To informed readers: No one but Serbs and morons like this poster
believe that Kosovo is a part of Serbia.]
>> The action of all NATO countries to defend Kosovo against FRY can be
>> taken without United Nations Security Council authority, just as the
>> Coalition to Liberate Kuwait in 1991 could take the authority to
>> repel the Iraqi invaders without UNSC authority. That George H. W.
>> Bush went to the UNSC anyway was merely a courtesy, and probably
>> something he was used to doing as a former diplomat. Kuwait was
>> within its right to ask another nation to help it repel an
>> invader/occupier.
>>
>> It is not always necessary to ask the United Nations Security Council
>> for the authority to attack a nation, and no such statement was ever
>> made. The conditions under which an attack can be mounted (usually
>> in response to an attack or threat of attack constituting an act of
>> war) are all spelled out; the attacking nation assumes the risk that
>> the United Nations will see such as an attack as legitimate within
>> the traditional covenants of the nation-state (formalized in the UN
>> charter).
>>
>> George W. Bush attacked Afghanistan, and was within his right to do,
>> without having to petition the Security Council. The Security
>> Council blessed the action nonetheless. Bush's actions in
>> Afghanistan are a model of good behavior. Unfortunately, his actions
>> in Iraq are the exact opposite...a model of criminal behavior.
>
> In other words, you're completely arbitrary about what's criminal and
> what's not criminal. This is about as stupid as that claim that Bush
> could nuke St. Louis and not get impeached.
Well, it's clear you did not understand the response, although some might
say you refused to understand it, since it pretty much leaves you in a
dead-end in the debate now...meaning you lost the argument.
It's always a pleasure when a chump like you gets involved in these
threads, and makes your kind look bad.
--
Rich Travsky
>
> Sid9 wrote:
>
> > I'm an American.
> >
> > I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
>
> was an endless Cold War and tens of thousands of dead American *and*
> dead Soviet troops.
Huh? Tens of thousands? When did that happen? What battle was that?
> We tried "peaceful coexistence" with the Arab pestholes of the Middle
> East and the result was 9-11.
>
> Isolationism is dead as an American foreign policy.
Fredric L. Rice
>"Steven L." wrote:
>> Sid9 wrote:
>>> I'm an American.
>>> I don't give one crap for what the Iraqis want.
>> We tried "peaceful coexistence" with the Soviet empire and the result
>> was an endless Cold War and tens of thousands of dead American *and*
>> dead Soviet troops.
>Huh? Tens of thousands? When did that happen? What battle was that?
The surrogate war in Vietnam would be my guess.
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