INDIA SAYS "Fuck You" To Global Warming INDUSTRY! (So Do We!)
James Fenimore
By Rama Lakshmi
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, November 22, 2009
NEW DELHI -- As countries around the world prepare to flex their
negotiating muscles at next month's climate-change summit in
Copenhagen, India has begun to question the Western model of computing
global warming statistics.
Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh released a report last week that
says there is no conclusive evidence that climate change has caused
the melting of the Himalayan glaciers. The report says that not all of
the glaciers are receding at alarming rates and that a few are even
advancing.
The report, an analysis of data from the past four decades, is part of
India's efforts to produce a body of indigenous research assessments
on the subject.
"So far, we have been depending on research conducted by the West on
what is happening to our glaciers and environment," he said after
releasing the report, which was prepared by a former scientist with
the Geological Survey of India and included a disclaimer that it did
not necessarily reflect the government's view.
"There is an urgent need to have our own studies by our scientists,"
he said.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a U.N. body, has said
that the Himalayan glaciers are receding "faster than in any other
part of the world" and are likely to disappear by 2035 if current
rates of depletion continue. The panel's chairman, Rajendra Pachauri,
dismissed the Indian report as "schoolboy science" that has yet to be
authenticated by peer review, news services reported.
Ramesh has said that much of the information derived from Western
sources is "biased." He announced that India would set up 15 new
weather stations to study long-term temperature data and would work
with the Indian Space Research Organization for satellite mapping of
glaciers.
But many Indian environmentalists said they were confused by the
report and the timing of its release, just weeks before the global
climate meeting.
"Climate change is an intensely political matter, and the science is
contentious. It is very important that Indian scientific institutions
get their act together. Local changes cannot always be caught by
global scientific models," said Sunita Narain, director of New Delhi's
Center for Science and Environment. "But I am unable to understand why
the minister released the glacier report now. And if it is not climate
change that is causing the glaciers to recede, then what is causing
it?"
The report does not answer that question. However, it says the
Himalayan glaciers do not exhibit "an abnormal annual retreat of the
order that some glaciers in Alaska and Greenland" are reported to have
shown.
In the run-up to the Copenhagen summit, which seeks to develop a
framework to slow global warming, India has said that the heaviest
burden should fall on the nations that caused the problem and can
afford the changes.
India, which has become the world's fifth-largest producer of
greenhouse gases in recent years, has offered modest domestic goals
for emission cuts. The efforts would not be open to international
verification.
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James
enigma
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/516/index.html
There is no hoax you idiot.
Monkey Clumps
> http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/516/index.html
>
"We can't take climate change and put it on the back burner," warns
Anker. "If we don't address climate change, we won't be around as
humans."
What complete a fucking tool. By what mechanism would global warming
eliminate the human race?
> There is no hoax you idiot.
Have another glass of Kool-Aid, moron.
richp
try massive agriculture collapse you fucking pile of monkey shit
Monkey Clumps
And why would that happen, douchewipe? Is global warming going to
stop rain?
Green Turtle
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On Nov 22, 1:17 pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Have another glass of Kool-Aid, moron.
>>try massive agriculture collapse you fucking pile of monkey shit
Actually, increasing co2 reduces the need for water AND fertilizer.
commercial greenhouses often inject co2 to speed up plant growth..
In past history, every time we seen warming (and the medieval warming
periods was as warm, if not warmer then now), we seen human kind benefit...
So, past history shows warming been a benefit, and it been as warm in the
past...
Unfortunately, we not seen global warming for a few years now. Global
cooling will effect food production in a FAR WORSE way then a warming
trend...
Super Turtle
mrbawana2u
Wipe your spittle, fucktard, that ain't gonna happen...
What other absurdities do you believe, moron?
mrbawana2u
> http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/516/index.html
> There is no hoax [...].
Come on, nobody is that stupid.
Roy Blankenship
"Monkey Clumps" <spaceb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Do your own homework. Maybe you could study up on the potential effects of
global warming instead of watching those bass-fishing shows. Then you would
be able to present a coherent argument FOR being more responsible about the
environment, because then you would know what none of your redneck buddies
know.
Catoni
>"try massive agriculture collapse you fucking pile of monkey shit"
Reply:
You want to see REAL agricultural collapse ? Try
Global Cooling you idiot ! Why don't you do a study of the effects
that the Little Ice Age had on agriculture.
Oh... I forgot... you don't know how to study..... you just
parrot all the leftist AGW crap that you've been brainwashed with.
Monkey Clumps
wrote:
> "Monkey Clumps" <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Maybe you should study up. Common sense suggests that increased
average temperature would increase evaporation over the ocean and
*increase* global precipitation on average. In addition, increased C02
level would help plants not hurt them. This talk of global
agricultural collapse from AGW doesn't pass the sniff test.
b*o*n*z*o
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ROTFLMAO
The Warmist Conspiracy, More Damning Emails
November 21 2009
These are the emails that should have Professor Phil Jones most worried
about his future.
Jones, head of the CRU unit whose emails were leaked, has been under most
fire so far over one email in particular in which he boasted of using a
'"trick" to "hide the decline" that would have otherwise spoiled his graph
showing temperatures soaring ever-upward.
But far more serious - at least in a legal sense - may be his apparent
boasting of destroying data to stop sceptics from checking this alarmist
work. If, as some emails suggest, he destroyed it to thwart FOI requests
from Professor Ross McKitrick and Steve McIntyre, who'd already exposed as
fake the Michael Mann "hockey stick", Jones, one of the most active of the
IPCC lead authors, could even face criminal charges.
(Note: in saying that, I should add that these emails may simply be poorly
worded, out of context or even altered by the whistleblower who leaked them.
Jones may also not knowingly have done anything wrong, and there is no proof
that he did anything against the law.)
Whether laws were broken or not, the emails prove beyond doubt how resistant
Jones and his colleagues were to having their work properly scrutinised by
anyone not of their "team". No wonder, perhaps, when the documents reveal
Jones has so far attracted $25 million in grants.)
The most damning emails on this point are the following, starting with
1107454306.txt, in which Jones refers to MM - McIntyre and McKitrick (bold
added):
At 09:41 AM 2/2/2005, Phil Jones wrote:
Mike, I presume congratulations are in order - so congrats etc !
Just sent loads of station data to Scott. Make sure he documents everything
better this time ! And don't leave stuff lying around on ftp sites - you
never know who is trawling them. The two MMs have been after the CRU station
data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now
in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than send to anyone. Does
your similar act in the US force you to respond to enquiries within 20
days? - our does ! The UK works on precedents, so the first request will
test it.We also have a data protection act, which I will hide behind. Tom
Wigley has sent me a worried email when he heard about it - thought people
could ask him for his model code. He has retired officially from UEA so he
can hide behind that. IPR should be relevant here, but I can see me getting
into an argument with someone at UEA who'll say we must adhere to it !
Jones admits he was warned by his own university against deleting data
subjected to an FOI request from McIntyre - or anyone:
From: Phil Jones
To: santer1@XXXX
Subject: Re: A quick question
Date: Wed Dec 10 10:14:10 2008
Ben,
Haven't got a reply from the FOI person here at UEA. So I'm not entirely
confident the numbers are correct. One way of checking would be to look on
CA, but I'm not doing that. I did get an email from the FOI person here
early yesterday to tell me I shouldn't be deleting emails - unless this was
'normal' deleting to keep emails manageable! McIntyre hasn't paid his �10,
so nothing looks likely to happen re his Data Protection Act email.
Anyway requests have been of three types - observational data, paleo data
and who made IPCC changes and why. Keith has got all the latter - and there
have been at least 4. We made Susan aware of these - all came from David
Holland. According to the FOI Commissioner's Office, IPCC is an
international organization, so is above any national FOI. Even if UEA holds
anything about IPCC, we are not obliged to pass it on, unless it has
anything to do with our core business - and it doesn't! I'm sounding like
Sir Humphrey here!
Makes you wonder very strongly what Jones is trying to hide, doesn't it?
Also makes you laugh all over again at his claim once that the data being
sought had, sadly, been ... um, lost.
In1212063122.txtm, Jones urges another colleague, Michael "Hockey Stick",
Mann, to join in the deleting - at least of emails about the IPCC's
controversial ARA report on man-made warming which Jones co-authored, and
which claimed warming was "unequivocal" and "most likely" caused by humans:
From: Phil Jones To: "Michael E. Mann"
Subject: IPCC & FOI
Date: Thu May 29 11:04:11 2008
Mike,
Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?
Keith will do likewise. He's not in at the moment - minor family crisis.
Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don't have his new
email address.
We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.
I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!
Cheers
Phil:
For years Jones has made clear his determination to keep crucial data from
the eyes of sceptics:
From: Phil Jones To: ma...@xxx.edu
Subject: Fwd: CCNet: PRESSURE GROWING ON CONTROVERSIAL RESEARCHER TO
DISCLOSE SECRET DATA
Date: Mon Feb 21 16:28:32 2005
Cc: "raymond s. bradley" , "Malcolm Hughes"
Mike, Ray and Malcolm,
The skeptics seem to be building up a head of steam here ! Maybe we can use
this to our advantage to get the series updated !
Odd idea to update the proxies with satellite estimates of the lower
troposphere rather than surface data !. Odder still that they don't realise
that Moberg et al used the Jones and Moberg updated series !
Francis Zwiers is till onside. He said that PC1s produce hockey sticks. He
stressed that the late 20th century is the warmest of the millennium, but
Regaldo didn't bother
with that. Also ignored Francis' comment about all the other series looking
similar to MBH.
The IPCC comes in for a lot of stick. Leave it to you to delete as
appropriate !
Cheers
Phil
PS I'm getting hassled by a couple of people to release the CRU station
temperature data.
Don't any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information
Act !
And when Jones is really forced to the point of handing over his data, he
considers ways to may checking it more difficult or annoying:
Options appear to be:
Send them the data
Send them a subset removing station data from some of the countries who made
us pay in the normals papers of Hulme et al. (1990s) and also any number
that David can remember. This should also omit some other countries like
(Australia, NZ, Canada, Antarctica). Also could extract some of the sources
that Anders added in (31-38 source codes in J&M 2003). Also should remove
many of the early stations that we coded up in the 1980s.
Send them the raw data as is, by reconstructing it from GHCN. How could this
be done? Replace all stations where the WMO ID agrees with what is in GHCN.
This would be the raw data, but it would annoy them.
But Jones figures a way out:
At 04:53 AM 5/9/2008, you wrote:
Mike, Ray, Caspar,
A couple of things - don't pass on either.
2. You can delete this attachment if you want. Keep this quiet also, but
this is the person who is putting in FOI requests for all emails Keith and
Tim have written and received re Ch 6 of AR4. We think we've found a way
around this.
This message will self destruct in 10 seconds!
Cheers
Phil
Prof. Phil Jones
UPDATE
More from Don't-Disclose Phil, who seems to have a like-minded acolyte in
Melbourne's own Bureau of Meterology warmist David Jones:
Email 1182255717.txt
Wei-Chyung and Tom,
The Climate Audit web site has a new thread on the Jones et al. (1990)
paper, with lots of quotes from Keenan. So they may not be going to submit
something to Albany. Well may be?!?
Just agreed to review a paper by Ren et al. for JGR. This refers to a paper
on urbanization effects in China, which may be in press in J. Climate. I say
'may be' as Ren isn't that clear about this in the text, references and
responses to earlier reviews. Have requested JGR get a copy a copy of this
in order to do the review.In the meantime attaching this paper by Ren et al.
on urbanization at two sites in China.Nothing much else to say except:
1. Think I've managed to persuade UEA to ignore all further FOIA requests if
the people have anything to do with Climate Audit
.2. Had an email from David Jones of BMRC, Melbourne. He said they are
ignoring anybody who has dealings with CA, as there are threads on it about
Australian sites.
3. CA is in dispute with IPCC (Susan Solomon and Martin Manning) about the
availability of the responses to reviewer's at the various stages of the AR4
drafts. They are most interested here re Ch 6 on paleo.
Cheers
Phil
Wow.
Which sites may they be?
And what does it say of Jones that the reading of a single website renders
you a non-person, whose inquiries must invariably be disregarded?
UPDATE
How impartial a scientist is Jones? How open to evidence that he may be
wrong? Gather from this confession to John Christy:
"...If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the
science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. This isn't
being political, it is being selfish. "
Cheers, Phil
How typical for Jones to confuse "science" with "hypothesis".
Warmest Regards
B0n oz
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
b*o*n*z*o
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Yes the global cooling will do that!
Reality Vs Whacko Warmies And Their Hopeless Climate Models
October 19 2009
Christopher Booker on the strange gap between what warmists think and what
the world actually does:
"Not many people in Britain were aware, I suspect, that 20 per cent of the
entire US was last week covered in snow, the greatest October snow cover the
country had known for years "
(for details see the Watts Up With That website).
"Similarly unseasonable snowfalls blanketed central Europe and the Alps. "
"Freak October snows caused traffic chaos in New Zealand. "
"Hundreds of Tibetan herdsmen had to be rescued when blizzards swept their
summer pastures weeks early. "
"This is now the third year running when there have been signs of an
abnormally cold winter across large parts of the world."
"Last year's October snowfalls in the US broke records which in some cases
had stood for over a century, prefacing one of America's coldest winters for
decades. "
"This summer's Arctic ice-melt stopped nearly 1 million square kilometres
short of its record low in 2007. "
"Around Antarctica this year's sea ice-melt was the lowest recorded since
satellite data began in 1979, leaving the ice 30 per cent above its 30-year
average. "
"What a startling contrast is provided by all these events in the real world
to the ever more surreal frenzy of the warmists as - with only weeks to go
before their doomed Copenhagen treaty conference in December - they make a
last desperate bid to keep climate change hysteria at fever pitch."
Roy Blankenship
"Catoni" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Speak for yourself. You can't even extrapolate the opposite effect on the
ecosystem, you have to go for a diversion. What did you do, catch a show on
Discovery channel and now you are an expert? If you want to see parrots,
look at anyone who listens to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. Let's talk about
not studying and parroting bullshit.
Roy Blankenship
Common sense, that's good. That's Palin's buzzword, isn't it? You are not
using all the data in your "common sense" analysis. Your "more is better"
conclusion is flawed. Stop listening to non-scientists.
Eric Gisin
Tell us how warming near the poles and higher precip and CO2 kills plants dead.
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> "Monkey Clumps" <spaceb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
James
Gee, where have I heard that before? Who (Whom?) are you parroting?
mrbawana2u
>
> news:213684ab-1ace-43a1...@p28g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 22, 5:13 pm, richp <travelingman95...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 1:17 pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 22, 3:55 pm, enema <enema_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/516/index.html
>
> > > "We can't take climate change and put it on the back burner," warns
> > > Anker. "If we don't address climate change, we won't be around as
> > > humans."
>
> > > What complete a fucking tool. By what mechanism would global warming
> > > eliminate the human race?
>
> > > > There is no hoax you idiot.
>
> > > Have another glass of Kool-Aid, moron.
>
> > try massive agriculture collapse you fucking pile of monkey shit
> >And why would that happen, douchewipe? Is global warming going to
> >stop rain?
>
> Do your own homework.
Research a delusion.
Yeah, dat's da ticket, shit for brains.
< Maybe you could study up on the potential effects of
> global warming instead of watching those bass-fishing shows.
Why? The bass fishing show could yield some useful info, you insipid
retard.
Studying "potential effects of global warming" is a waste of time.
> Then you would
> be able to present a coherent argument FOR being more responsible about the
> environment, [...]
Nothing wrong with "being more responsible about the environment",
fucktard, what compels you retards to lie about it?
You're about a stupid fuck, ain't ya, Boy Rankenshit?
Arindam Banerjee
and the West in general are melting can be boiled down to just this fact:
THERE ARE FAR FEWER CARBON DIOXIDE EMITTING AEROPLANES FLYING OVER THE
HIMALAYAS
What is most obvious, here, is how the Western scientists bully, ignore and
demean non-Western scientists - I mean, those among them who do not lick
their boots (such as I). My work (based upon finding an incontrovertible
and natural mathematical equation liking mass and energy) debunks Einstein's
bullshit theories. It is showing that the law of conservation of energy is a
special case. And the new law of conservation of mass and energy is
bollocks. It has been widely accepted by many genuine people including true
scientists (not only from India) as being true, subject to experimental
validity. Now, with the recent experimental proof of non-reactive forces in
the electromagnetic rail-gun (to the force on the departing projectile there
is no countering force in the opposite direction, only orthogonally to the
rail spacing supports) my theories are perfectly validated.
My work will lead to the creation of vimans, which will lead humanity to the
stars. But do Western/Westernised scientists/bigwigs want to hear about it?
No! Why? Not just because they are racists and bigots, concerned about
their salaries and pensions primarily. It is also because they do not wish
to look like the most absurd nincompoops for blindly jabbering incredible
einsteinian nonsense for decades. Unfortunately for them, the power of
Usenet and Internet is such, they are in an unenviable situation so far as
the opinion of all future generations is concerned.
Nevertheless, for the present these people have all the money, power and
prestige. They will do their best to protect same. They will not listen to
new proposals to green the earth, which could easily be done with my
invention "The Hydrogen Transmission Network".
They and their masters will continue to pollute the earth, by flying high in
the most abominable human creation, the carbon-dioxide producing aeroplance.
While talking loudly about environmental concerns, they will do their best
to screw up the environment, thus. Unless the younger generation takes a
firm stand, there is no hope for the planet. And their future, too. Do
they really want to live in a hot stuffy world of concrete, with dead seas
and lands, no wildlife at all - only pornography and various sorts of
diseases and whining, laced with the most sickening kind of "humor"? Right
now the abominable media is doing its best to promote fatness - it is only a
question of time before they will try to give the message that all wildlife
is perfectly useless, and the only useful animals are those we find on our
plates. Do we want our future generation to be lazy fatarses - to evolve
into hippos and finally whales?
Yes, about global warming. Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air - this
everyone agrees. It always sinks, it cannot rise up on its own. Thus all
the carbon dioxide produced on the earth, stays near the earth. If their is
plant life around its production, it will get absorbed by plant life, and we
will have more greenery. However, when Carbon Dioxide is produced in the
high stratosphere (and this is exactly what the jet engines do, and there
are so many and increasing numbers of them) then the Carbon Dioxide forms
there - at high altitudes. It will take a while coming down to Earth, and
in the meantime it will create the greenhouse effect. That is, the heat
from the Earth instead of escaping to Space will be bounced back, and there
will be higher temperatures.
So in those lands where jet planes fly the most, there is the most aerial
pollution from carbon dioxide, and the most harmful climatic changes.
There is a way out, a marvellous way out. That is, to develop a new kind of
engine, the Internal Force Engine, based upon my new and correct physics.
That will make possible not just travel on Earth much faster and safer, but
also non-polluting. Yes, and travel to the Moon will be only a matter of
hours! And from there, to the rest of the universe.
I do hope the young at least will listen...
Fight the Garg...the Garg...the Abominable Garg!
Arindam Banerjee.
Hampton Park, Australia.
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b*o*n*z*o
Scientists
22 Nov 2009
More of that scepticism from scientists that so dismays Australian
journalists:
"None of the multiple computer simulations used by a UN climate-change
agency for assessments of global warming appears good enough to predict how
India's monsoon will behave, two Indian scientists have said. "
"The researchers examined 10 simulations of future climate scenarios used by
the UN IPCC and found none could reproduce correctly the behaviour of even
20th-century rainfall. "
" "The models have very serious problems in simulating even 20th century
monsoon patterns," said Madhavan Rajeevan, a senior scientist at the
National Atmospheric Research Laboratory, Tirupati, and a co-author of the
paper. "
" "When a model (computer simulation) cannot even show with reasonable
accuracy monsoon behaviour in the past, there's a big question mark over its
ability to predict future patterns," Rajeevan told The Telegraph."
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/its_spreading/
b*o*n*z*o
Scientists
22 Nov 2009
More of that scepticism from scientists that so dismays Australian
journalists:
"None of the multiple computer simulations used by a UN climate-change
agency for assessments of global warming appears good enough to predict how
India's monsoon will behave, two Indian scientists have said. "
"The researchers examined 10 simulations of future climate scenarios used by
the UN IPCC and found none could reproduce correctly the behaviour of even
20th-century rainfall. "
" "The models have very serious problems in simulating even 20th century
monsoon patterns," said Madhavan Rajeevan, a senior scientist at the
National Atmospheric Research Laboratory, Tirupati, and a co-author of the
paper. "
" "When a model (computer simulation) cannot even show with reasonable
accuracy monsoon behaviour in the past, there's a big question mark over its
ability to predict future patterns," Rajeevan told The Telegraph."
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/its_spreading/
Warmest Regards
b*o*n*z*o
Monkey Clumps
Please enlighten me. Are you suggesting that higher global
temperatures will not increase average evaporation rates and therefore
average precipitation? I'd love to hear you expand on that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporation
"For molecules of a liquid to evaporate, they must be located near the
surface, be moving in the proper direction, and have sufficient
kinetic energy to overcome liquid-phase intermolecular forces.[1] Only
a small proportion of the molecules meet these criteria, so the rate
of evaporation is limited. Since the kinetic energy of a molecule is
proportional to its temperature, evaporation proceeds more quickly at
higher temperatures."
I referred to this as common sense because most people who have
graduated from elementary school are aware of this fact. I might have
assumed too much in your case.
Taco Bell Comes With Snot
>On Nov 22, 1:17=A0pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 3:55=A0pm, enema <enema_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/516/index.html
>> "We can't take climate change and put it on the back burner," warns
>> Anker. "If we don't address climate change, we won't be around as
>> humans."
>> eliminate the human race?
>>> There is no hoax you idiot.
>> Have another glass of Kool-Aid, moron.
>try massive agriculture collapse you fucking pile of monkey shit
Climate change deniers are all Christian extremists who have never been
outside of the United States and seen what the rest of the world looks
like, they have no idea the scientific lengths taken to keep the United
States eating and drinking clean water.
---
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Taco Bell Comes With Snot
>On Nov 22, 5:13=A0pm, richp <travelingman95...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 1:17=A0pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 22, 3:55=A0pm, enema <enema_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/516/index.html
>>> "We can't take climate change and put it on the back burner," warns
>>> Anker. "If we don't address climate change, we won't be around as
>>> humans."
>>> eliminate the human race?
>>> > There is no hoax you idiot.
>>> Have another glass of Kool-Aid, moron.
>> try massive agriculture collapse you fucking pile of monkey shit
>And why would that happen, douchewipe? Is global warming going to stop rain?
You're a Christian, huh? An IQ like that, you must be.
Cwatters
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> The reason why Indian glaciers are not melting
India may deny it's due to global warming but even they admit they are
melting...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/science/earth/17glacier.html
Quote: "A recent study by the Indian Space Research Organization, using
satellite imaging to gauge the changes to 466 glaciers, has found more than
a 20 percent reduction in size from 1962 to 2001".
Monkey Clumps
Snot) wrote:
> Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 22, 5:13=A0pm, richp <travelingman95...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 22, 1:17=A0pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Nov 22, 3:55=A0pm, enema <enema_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> >http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/516/index.html
> >>> "We can't take climate change and put it on the back burner," warns
> >>> Anker. "If we don't address climate change, we won't be around as
> >>> humans."
> >>> What complete a fucking tool. =A0By what mechanism would global warming
> >>> eliminate the human race?
> >>> > There is no hoax you idiot.
> >>> Have another glass of Kool-Aid, moron.
> >> try massive agriculture collapse you fucking pile of monkey shit
> >And why would that happen, douchewipe? Is global warming going to stop rain?
>
> You're a Christian, huh? An IQ like that, you must be.
If I was Christian I wouldn't go around insulting people, would I,
fuckface?
Roy Blankenship
"Eric Gisin" <gi...@uniserve.com> wrote in message
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> Oh my fucking God, another clueless AGW fundamentalist hits this NG.
> Tell us how warming near the poles and higher precip and CO2 kills plants
dead.
Maybe you could post something scientific that would be convincing? Are you
a scientist? I'm not, and I am amazed at the number of people who listen to
information that everyone has access to and think they can draw some sort of
conclusion contrary to the latest info we are getting from the scientific
community. I would prefer to wait and see rather than take a stand and be
completely wrong about something. I am not quite sure how my post sounds
fundamentalist....
Roy Blankenship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporation
_______________________________________
Are you new here? I am not an idiot, nor am I a scientist, so we are drawing
from the same informational pool. Your conclusions are not based on any
research, are they? Where did you get this info? Wikipedia?
Do you have any credentials? I would guess not, your posts are not science,
just speculation. Maybe you could do what a lot of people are doing, wait
and see what comes out of all this.
Monkey Clumps
Do we need to research that higher temperatures lead to higher
evaporation rates? Do we need to research that higher evaporation
rates will result in more precipitation? This is very basic earth
science material. Did you graduate from high school?
>Where did you get this info? Wikipedia?
>
> Do you have any credentials? I would guess not, your posts are not science,
> just speculation.
This is usenet, not a scientific journal. The purpose is discussion,
not science.
> Maybe you could do what a lot of people are doing, wait
> and see what comes out of all this.
Actually, I am all for waiting and seeing what comes of all this.
Waiting before passing laws and signing treaties that cap carbon and
cost trillions of dollars.
Brandii
wrote:
> "Monkey Clumps" <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:213684ab-1ace-43a1...@p28g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 22, 5:13 pm, richp <travelingman95...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 1:17 pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 22, 3:55 pm, enema <enema_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/516/index.html
>
> > > "We can't take climate change and put it on the back burner," warns
> > > Anker. "If we don't address climate change, we won't be around as
> > > humans."
>
>
> global warming instead of watching those bass-fishing shows. Then you would
> be able to present a coherent argument FOR being more responsible about the
> environment, because then you would know what none of your redneck buddies
>
> - Show quoted text -
They damn near lost the entire wheat crop in N Dakota THIS year due to
cold weather early in the year. Fortunately it WARMED UP in July and
August and they had a good harvest. The Vikings had to leave Greenland
when the Medievil Warm Period ended.
Got anymore smart observations Einstein?
Brandii
>
> - Show quoted text -
I found this article to show you, you gullible twit.
http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=32084
Enjoy
Arindam Banerjee
"Cwatters" <colin.wat...@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote in message
news:CZKdnefMjvbpNJfW...@brightview.co.uk...
>
> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:UMnOm.56854$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> The reason why Indian glaciers are not melting
>
> India may deny it's due to global warming but even they admit they are
> melting...
A contradictory statement! Could be, the westernised Indian scientists are
following the western line of thought and the genuine Indian scientists,
depending upon facts and honesty, are stating a contrary opinon.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/science/earth/17glacier.html
> Quote: "A recent study by the Indian Space Research Organization, using
> satellite imaging to gauge the changes to 466 glaciers, has found more
> than a 20 percent reduction in size from 1962 to 2001".
Proves nothing. Any statement can be made in Usenet, any scientist or
scientific organisation could be corrupt... When the whole scientific
establishment being fully einsteinian is thus corrupt to the core, why
should they be given more credibility than politicians or fanciful
novelists? Why should their opinion have more worth than those of sexy
celebrities?
It may well be that the Himalayan glaciers are melting more than usual, but
the point is that they are not melting as fast as those in Europe or USA,
where the stratosphere is far more polluted from the carbon dioxide formed
by the engines of high flying jet planes. While I thank you for answering
to my post, I also note that you have overlooked my main point.
There seems to be a difference in opinion regarding the icy state of
Antarctica (over which I suppose there are comparatively few jet plane
flights). According to some studies, there is more ice forming there than
before. According to another, there is less ice forming there. When such
simple statements are made, with no effort made to show exactly how those
conclusions are formed, there is no longer any science involved. Only
politics and dogma, with all sorts of parasites trying their best to grab
public moneys.
If it is conclusively shown that the ice on Antarctica is not melting, then
there is no such thing as GLOBAL warming. There is now only LOCAL warming,
caused by more intense pollution of the stratosphere in those areas, with
carbon dioxide. Of course, global warming will happen when jet planes fly
everywhere with equal pollution; trees everywhere are cut down; more carbon
dioxide pumped out on earth... This is unfortunately the undisguised action
path of the abominable Garg, currently ruling the planet.
Take NZ for instance - they still have glaciers there, although they have
been receding. When we correlate their rate of decrease with the amount of
pollution in the stratosphere, we will get a factor, and see how it
correlates with similar measurements around Alaska, Greenland, etc.
The political conclusion is: if a third world country does burn carbon, but
creates greenery around to absorb the carbon dioxide, then it should not be
bound by carbon laws. Carbon dioxide on earth is produced mainly by the
Middle East, as they have no greenery to absorb the horrible flames they
produce from their refineries. It is the unabsorbed carbon dioxide from
such refineries that goes up with the winds to the higher altitudes, and
thus cause global warming along with of course the waste from the polluting
jet engines. Countries like India that need to be technologically
developed, should not be arm-twisted on spurious environmental grounds, and
for basically political reasons.
Of course it is bad to produce more carbon dioxide than necessary - so the
best solution is to use hydrogen as fuel. The Hydrogen Transmission
Network, as a far cheaper, greener, better alternative to high voltage
transmission will make this possible.
Arindam Banerjee
Hampton Park, Australia.
Roy Blankenship
"Brandii" <bust.ed...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes. Opinion columns from local newspapers do not qualify as facts.
Read this article:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming.html
Roy Blankenship
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming.html
mrbawana2u
wrote:
> "Eric Gisin" <gi...@uniserve.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hecvah$lq2$1...@news.eternal-september.org...> Oh my fucking God, another clueless AGW fundamentalist hits this NG.
> > Tell us how warming near the poles and higher precip and CO2 kills plants
>
> dead.
>
> Maybe you could post something scientific that would be convincing?
You first, you insipid fucktard.
[delusional shit flushed]
mrbawana2u
Yeah, like miracles are performed on usenet, you dekusional fucktard.
> [delusional crap flushed]
mrbawana2u
wrote:
> "Brandii" <bust.edin.ve...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
If it ain't on CNN or MSNBC it's not news, eh, you insipid fucktard?
Taco Bell Comes With Snot
>On Nov 23, 10:30=A0am, beaverwa...@foxnews.com (Taco Bell Comes With>> >On Nov 22, 5:13=3DA0pm, richp <travelingman95...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Nov 22, 1:17=3DA0pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Nov 22, 3:55=3DA0pm, enema <enema_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>> >http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/516/index.html
>> >>> "We can't take climate change and put it on the back burner," warns
>> >>> Anker. "If we don't address climate change, we won't be around as
>> >>> humans."
>ming
>> >>> eliminate the human race?
>> >>> > There is no hoax you idiot.
>> >>> Have another glass of Kool-Aid, moron.
>> >> try massive agriculture collapse you fucking pile of monkey shit
>p rain?
>>
>> You're a Christian, huh? An IQ like that, you must be.
>If I was Christian
You are.
---
10-year-old boy rejects Republicanism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbfs0EVsHbs
Does belief in astrology cause insanity? http://www.skeptictank.org/edm.htm
Americans should rob more banks since we own them all anyway.
Cwatters
> It may well be that the Himalayan glaciers are melting more than usual,
but
> the point is that they are not melting as fast as those in Europe or USA,
I agree but it seems the prime minister of Nepal doesn't ...
September 1 2009
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/08c1b2f0-96f8-11de-9c24-00144feabdc0.html
"Speaking at a two-day Himalayan climate change conference in Kathmandu,
Madhav Kumar, Nepal�s prime minister, said: "The Himalayan glaciers are
retreating faster than any other glaciers in the world as the temperature is
increasing."
> I also note that you have overlooked my main point.
I don't agree with your assertion that it's all down to C02 produced by
aircraft. That is quickly dispersed around the world by the jet stream and
weather. There are plenty of examples of global transport...Sand from the
Sahara desert turns up thousands of miles away including in England,
radiation from Chernobyl travelled to China and Canada. Sulphur from English
coal fired power stations caused acid rain across Europe etc.
But you do have a point about pollution. Pollution makes snow and ice dirty
which causes it to absorb more sunlight and reflect less heat back into
space.
> If it is conclusively shown that the ice on Antarctica is not melting,
Sadly it's already been conclusively shown that it is melting. Today's
news...
http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/antarctic-ice-melting-10-faster-than-thought-3178553
Quote: ..."new research shows the Antarctic's eastern ice sheet, long
thought to be unaffected by climate change, is melting 10% faster than it
can produce ice".
> the best solution is to use hydrogen as fuel
The problem is that Hydrogen isn't an energy source. It's better to think of
hydrogen as a battery that needs another source of energy to charge.
Currently we can't make lots of hydrogen without using another fuel that
does release C02.
Personally I'd like to see research on fusion stepped up. We need an Apollo
or Manhattan like approach to get it done. I'd also like to see more public
money going into research into Photovoltaic cells, particularly roll to roll
manufacturing processes that allow them to be manufactured continuously
rather than in batches.
kangarooistan
CO2 , WHY do we need a tax collection scheme RUN BY THE WORLD BANK ,
no wonder EVERY big business desperately want the Copenhagen scam
rammed through BEFORE the sheeple spot the scam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redfield_ratio
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_198ks6wv3gh
The effects of momentous events can reverberate over time. When asked
more than a century later about the impact of the French Revolution,
China’s Premier Zhou Enlai allegedly replied, “It’s too soon to say.”
Copenhagen carbon tax , AND GFC Tobin tax scam, both to be run by
World Bankers from the USA and most people working in the World
Banking industry work for Israel
The World Bank Group (WBG) is a family of five international
organizations that makes leveraged loans, generally to countries. The
Bank came into formal existence on 27 December 1945 following
international ratification of the Bretton Woods agreements, which
emerged from the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference (1
July – 22 July 1944).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank_Group
Presidency
Traditionally, the Bank President has always been a U.S. citizen
nominated by the President of the United States, the largest
shareholder in the bank. The nominee is subject to confirmation by the
Board of Governors, to serve for a five-year, renewable term.[2]
Technically the World Bank is part of the United Nations system, but
its governance structure is different:
. The President of the World Bank is nominated by the President of the
United States and elected by the Bank's Board of Governors.[2] As of
November 1, 2006 the United States held 16.4% of total votes, Japan
7.9%, Germany 4.5%, and France and the United Kingdom each held 4.3%.
As changes to the Bank's Charter require an 85% super-majority, the
US can select its leaders and its loans and block any change in the
Bank's governing structure.[3]
the USA bankers effectively runs all the UN World Banks , and jews
effectively run the banks to suit Israels best interest
publicly viewable at:
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_198ks6wv3gh
[edit] Current President
Current President Robert Zoellick
On May 30, 2007, US President George W. Bush nominated former deputy
secretary of state Robert Zoellick to succeed Paul Wolfowitz as
President of the World Bank.
The role of iron
About 70% of the world's surface is covered in oceans, and the upper
part of these (where light can penetrate) is inhabited by algae. In
some oceans, the growth and reproduction of these algae is limited by
the amount of iron in the seawater. Iron is a vital micronutrient for
phytoplankton growth and photosynthesis that has historically been
delivered to the pelagic sea by dust storms from arid lands. This
Aeolian dust contains 3–5% iron and its deposition has fallen nearly
25% in recent decades[27].
The Redfield ratio describes the relative atomic concentrations of
critical nutrients in plankton biomass and is conventionally written
"106 C: 16 N: 1 P. .001 Fe"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redfield_ratio
This expresses the fact that one atom of phosphorus and 16 of nitrogen
are required to "fix" 106 carbon atoms (or 106 molecules of CO2).
Recent research has expanded this constant to "106 C: 16 N: 1 P: .001
Fe" signifying that in iron deficient conditions each atom of iron can
fix 106,000 atoms of carbon,[28]
on a mass basis, each kilogram of iron added to the ocean can fix
83,000 kg of carbon dioxide. . The atomic ratio would be
approximately: "3000 C: 58,000 N: 3,600 P: 1 Fe" [29].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization#The_role_of_iron
One kg of used TIN CANS added to the ocean can sequestrate 83 ton of
CO2 , and feed vast amounts of fish for free , but dont tell the
taxpayers until after the new TAX laws are passed
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_198ks6wv3gh
Clearly there has been a recent change of tactics in the world power
politics , the military option having failed miserably , the ONLY way
the jews and power brokers have left to controlling the entire
world , is by getting control of the ENTIRE worlds economy , and
controlling who can do business when where and how the World bankers
permit ,
just like in the good old days when the Ruling elites were supported
by the jewish bankers to extract the wealth from the masses and run
the planet to suit THEIR needs , and those puppet rulers who obey
orders and exploit their peoples can be assisted in suppressing ANY
attempt at the people ever gaining control of their lives or
attempting to gain freedom ever again
The disobedient servant will be severely punished, for though he knew
his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that
they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required
from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those
to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.
Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ." (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the
foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of
such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your
land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your
children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like
this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated
this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my
children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master
must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the
door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave
will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
If 1% of the world economy siphoned off by the jews every year , it
will only take a few decades to enslave every man wonan and child into
permanent bondage, using carbon tax AND or Tobin tax , exactly like
the old " salt tax " , it will slowly transfer full world control into
the hands of a tiny number of jews working in the World Bank and those
THEY choose to manage THEIR world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabelle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Satyagraha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_British_salt_tax_in_India
INDEED they will have ACHIEVED gods promise to the jews , everybody
will serve gods chosen people for all time or be killed off if they
refuse , EXACTLY as it is written in the jews bible
The wheat and chessboard problem is a mathematical problem. a king or
governor was " tricked " into accepting what looked like a cheap
solution to his problem ,if he paid a grain of rice / wheat on a
chessboard and to have wheat placed upon each square such that one
grain were placed on the first square, two on the second, four on the
third and so on, doubling the number of grains on each subsequent
square, without checking how many grains of wheat would be on the
chessboard at the finish
The ruler/ governor , who was not strong in mathematics, quickly
accepted the offer, even getting offended by his perceived notion
that the inventor was asking for such a low price, and ordered the
treasurer to count and hand over the wheat .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_and_chessboard_problem
which equals 18,446,744,073,709,551,615.
This problem (or a variation of it) demonstrates the quick growth of
exponential sequences.
Outcomes are not predetermined. They depend on both events and
purposeful actions.
In 2009, we are living through another upheaval that is changing our
world. What will be its implications for the future?
Today’s upheaval did not occur from nowhere. The seeds were planted
earlier.
Robert B. Zoellick
President
The World Bank Group
The Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies
of the Johns Hopkins University
September 28, 2009
Related Content
Press Releases
* Economic Crisis Is Remaking Global Power Relations, Zoellick
says
* Excerpts from Zoellick's Speech
Website
* Financial Crisis
Great upheavals produce shock waves that widen cracks in political,
economic, and security orders. Sometimes the old orders break. Yet it
can be in the power of leaders and peoples to shape the directions of
change.
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/NEWS/0,,contentMDK:22329125~pagePK:34370~piPK:42770~theSitePK:4607,00.html
Considering the USA jewish bankers CREATED the Global financial crisis
AND the jews create most wars in the last century, and the jews
prevent the public from using iron to CURE global warming for FREE
WHY give USA jewish bankers full and permanent control of ALL economic
activity forever
Iron fertilization is the intentional introduction of iron to the
upper ocean to stimulate a phytoplankton bloom. This is intended to
enhance biological productivity, which can benefit the marine food
chain and sequester carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Iron is a
trace element necessary for photosynthesis in all plants, however it
is highly insoluble in sea water and is often the limiting nutrient
for phytoplankton growth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization
Air-sea exchange of CO2
Previous instances of biological carbon sequestration have triggered
major climatic changes, such as the Azolla event. Plankton that
generate calcium or silica carbonate skeletons, such as diatoms,
coccolithophores and foraminifera, account for most direct carbon
sequestration. When these organisms die their carbonate skeletons sink
relatively quickly and form a major component of the carbon-rich deep
sea