Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth? Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa
iq_
lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as
president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan
certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District
Court for its authentication.
The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley
Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4,
1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa,
Kenya.
No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature
of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Couya. It was
allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February
1964.
WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for
purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be
identical.
Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan
birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly
determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears
none of the obvious traits of a hoax.
Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who
doesn't want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."
Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the
Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of
Obama's birth – both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records
not yet obtained – be preserved from destruction, asks for permission
to legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for
deposition from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
"I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery,
which would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before
Obama and the government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the
judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan
embassy and to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will
be forced to authenticate [the birth certificate].
"I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
"Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'"
Taitz explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the
Internet more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has
signatures."
more at:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764
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> WASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of
> lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as
> president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan
> certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District
> Court for its authentication.
>
> The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley
> Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4,
> 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa,
> Kenya.
> No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature
> of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Couya. It was
> allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February
> 1964.
>
We've seen it. It's a hand written piece of paper, nothing more.
Orly Taitz is a Russian immigrant BTW.
Here's the truth: 'Birther' claims are just plain nuts
Steven Thomma
McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON ? The false allegation that President Barack Obama was born in
another country is more than a fact-free hit job.
Marked by accusations and backstabbing, it's the story of how a small but
intense movement called "birthers" rose from a handful of people prone to
seeing conspiracies, aided by the Internet, magnified without evidence by
eager radio and cable TV hosts, and eventually ratified by a small group of
Republican politicians working to keep the story alive on the floors of
Congress and the campaign trails of the Midwest.
It's a powerful story about what experts call political paranoia over a new
face in a time of anxiety and rapid change ? the sort of viral message that
can take hold among a sliver of the populace that's ready to believe that the
new president is a fraud, and just as ready to angrily dismiss anyone who
disagrees as part of the conspiracy.
"He is NOT an American citizen," yelled a woman at a town hall meeting in
Delaware, angrily confronting a congressman. "I don't want this flag to
change. I want my country back."
When Rep. Mike Castle, R-Del., responded that Obama is a citizen, she and
others in the room jeered him.
"It's a fascinating phenomenon," said Jerrold Post, director of the political
psychology program at George Washington University's Elliott School of
International Affairs and author of a recent book entitled, "Political
Paranoia."
"They are not searching for the truth. They are searching for anything that
confirms their fixed idea, their malevolent idea . . . It doesn't soothe
people to tell them it's not legitimate. That makes them angry."
THE TALE
Birthers charge that Obama hasn't proved that he was born a U.S. citizen, and
therefore isn't eligible to be president under the constitutional requirement
that the president be 35 years old, be a resident of the country for at least
14 years, and be a natural-born citizen.
They also say that a birth certificate posted on the Internet by Obama during
his campaign isn't the original, and a forgery anyway.
THE FACTS
First, the 2007 document isn't a forgery. Independent experts from such groups
as FactCheck.org at the University of Pennsylvania have examined it and said
it's real.
Second, it's true that the 2007 document issued by the state of Hawaii, called
a Certification of Live Birth, isn't a copy of the original 1961 document. The
longer, original form would show more details, including the name of the
doctor, according to copies of other 1961 birth certificates.
White House aides say only that Obama has produced his birth certificate.
That's true. It is A birth certificate, issued by the state Health Department
and acceptable to prove citizenship to the federal government for purposes of
obtaining a passport.
It's also true that it isn't THE original birth certificate.
Regardless, Hawaii state officials said again this week that they've examined
the original and affirmed that it shows that Obama was born there.
Also, the two Honolulu newspapers report that they carried brief announcements
of the birth of a boy to the Obamas in 1961. Said the Aug. 13 birth
announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085
Kalanianaole Hwy, son, Aug. 4."
The Hawaii state Health Department says it supplied the lists of births for
those announcements. Announcements supplied by families were longer, more
personal and normally included the child's name.
THE TAPE
Many birthers, such as Pennsylvania attorney Phil Berg, allege that Obama was
born in Kenya and that his Kenyan grandmother is on tape saying that she was
present at his birth there.
Yet the tape circulated on the Internet doesn't actually say that ? and the
full tape actually contradicts it.
On the tape, the woman thought to be Sarah Obama is prodded by a Berg ally
who's a self-described bishop from the U.S. to affirm that Obama was born in
Kenya.
"Was she present when he was born in Kenya?" Bishop Ron McRae asks in the
taped phone call.
"She says yes she was. She was present when Obama was born," says the voice of
translator.
The tape ends abruptly.
Despite Berg's assertions, the response didn't actually confirm a birth in
Kenya. Moreover, a longer version of the tape shows the elder Obama decidedly
denying a Kenyan birth immediately after the first tape was cut off.
"I would like to go by the place, the hospital where he was born. Can you tell
me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?" McRae is heard asking.
"Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America," the translator says
after talking to the woman.
"I thought he was born in Kenya," McRae asks again.
"He was born in America, not in Mombasa," says the response. Another response
later says, "Obama in Hawaii. Hawaii. She says he was born in Hawaii."
Still, the charge has spread despite no evidence that Obama was born in Kenya
and compelling evidence that he was born in Hawaii.
THE BIRTHERS
A handful of people started spreading the story. Among them:
ANTHONY MARTIN
Martin, a Chicagoan, is a legal gadfly who was among the first to file a
lawsuit demanding to see Obama's birth certificate in Hawaii, which was denied
last year.
"I would like to claim the role of ringmaster in this birth certificate
circus," Martin said this week on his Web site. "From the first day I began
writing about Barack Obama's secret life five years ago, Obama has obstructed
access to the truth about himself. Obama's sycophants in the media and
government have tried to protect him from the truth and the facts of his
life."
A frequent and always unsuccessful candidate for office ? he's running this
time for U.S. Senate in Illinois ? Martin was the first to charge that Obama
was a Muslim.
In an e-mail, he distanced himself from other birthers who claim that Obama
was born in Kenya. "I have continually expressed doubt about the Kenya
theory," he wrote. "I openly state that there is a not a shred of credible
evidence Obama was born in Kenya."
Martin has a history of inflammatory and often anti-Semitic comments. He once
called a Chicago judge a "crooked, slimy Jew who has a history of lying and
thieving common to members of his race." When he was preparing to run for
office in Connecticut, one of his campaign documents said that a purpose of
the campaign was to "exterminate Jew power." A court filing in 1983 stated
that, "I am able to understand how the Holocaust took place, and with every
passing day feel less and less sorry that it did."
Asked about the anti-Semitic comments, Martin said they "took place over a
quarter of a century in a very vicious lawsuit in which names were called on
all sides."
ORLY TAITZ
Taitz, an attorney and dentist from Orange County, Calif., has filed lawsuits
challenging Obama's citizenship and has traveled the country to marshal
support for her drive to prove that Obama isn't a citizen and shouldn't be
president. Her Web site asks people to contribute money via a PayPal account.
She filed one lawsuit with the U.S. Supreme Court; it was dismissed. She filed
another in Georgia on behalf of an Army Reserve officer who wanted to take
back his volunteer offer to serve in Afghanistan because Obama was a foreigner
and not really his commander in chief. The Army excused the officer from going
to Afghanistan, saying any volunteer could back out.
Taitz didn't respond to requests for comment until after this story had
appeared on the Internet. In a subsequent interview, Taitz said she has
evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, that records show that Obama's mother
didn't go to Hawaii after the birth, but rather enrolled in the University of
Washington three weeks after the birth, and that she has proof Obama is using
a false Social Security number from someone who was born in 1890.
But Taitz didn't provide the evidence, saying the burden of proof isn't on
her, but on Obama.
"I don?t need to prove anything,? she said. "He?s the one that needs to
provide proper evidence that he is qualified to be president.?
Taitz's enthusiasm for the topic is unbounded. She once drove to a legal
conference in Washington state to press Chief Justice John G. Roberts to
consider Obama's citizenship; he declined to comment on any possible case as
security officers prepared to escort her from the conference.
She's also met with Republican state lawmakers in Missouri. "She had a lot of
documents there and has done a lot of traveling and spent a lot of money on
the legitimacy of his citizenship," said Missouri state Rep. Ed Emery, a
Republican.
Taitz boasts on her personal blog each time a prominent Republican, such as a
member of Congress or Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele,
signs up as a "friend" on her Facebook account, although many public figures
often sign off on such links routinely.
"I am in total disbelief and greatly honored," she said in one post on her
blog. "It means that the leadership of the Republican Party understands the
importance of the issues and legal cases I brought forward."
Not so fast, said RNC spokeswoman Gail Gitcho.
"Chairman Steele has thousands of Facebook friends. Obviously it doesn't mean
he endorses the agendas of all of them," she said. "Chairman Steele believes
this is an unnecessary distraction and that the president is a U.S. citizen. .
. .Chairman Steele has other issues to take up with the president having to do
with policy, not a birth certificate."
PHILIP BERG
Berg, an attorney from Pennsylvania, has been described by the Allentown
Morning Call as a "legal gadfly" and also has filed lawsuits unsuccessfully
challenging Obama's citizenship and presidency.
"This has been a real sham," Berg said at one point to radio talk show host
Michael Savage.
Berg's seen other conspiracies as well. In 2004, he filed a lawsuit against
then-President George W. Bush _not to mention every male Bush from two
generations ? charging that the government secretly allowed the 2001 terrorist
attacks to happen.
In detail, Berg's suit alleged that the World Trade Center towers were
destroyed from within and that the Federal Emergency Management Agency
maintained "a black-op shadow government designed to replace the elected
government of the United States." (FEMA at the time was run by Michael Brown,
later infamous for his stewardship of the agency following Hurricane Katrina.)
Once allies with Orly Taitz ? the two appeared together in December at the
National Press Club ? Berg has had a falling out with the Californian, who's
won more media attention.
"Orly Taitz, esquire, must be disbarred," Berg said in June as he filed a
lawsuit against her.
"Orly has been grabbing the headlines but doing disservice to the millions who
want Obama to prove he is constitutionally eligible/qualified to be president.
. . . Orly has only one case pending . . . I have three lawsuits pending."
Berg did not respond to requests for comment.
JEROME CORSI
A writer at the Web site WorldNetDaily.com, Corsi has said repeatedly at such
venues as the G. Gordon Liddy radio show that the birth certificate Obama's
campaign posted on its Web site was fake. "It's a fake document," he said on
Fox News. "I'm convinced it's a forgery," he said on Blogtalkradio.com.
Corsi was a co-author of "Unfit for Command," a book slamming 2004 Democratic
presidential nominee John Kerry, and the author of "Obama Nation," a book
slamming Obama last year. His opening lines of the book credit the influence
of Andy Martin.
Democrats weren't his only targets. He's said that Bush was secretly trying to
surrender U.S. sovereignty to a new North American Union that would govern
Canada, Mexico and the United States. "His secret agenda is to dissolve the
United States of America into the North American Union," he wrote at one
point.
Many mainstream conservatives recoiled at the North American Union conspiracy
theory. Talk show host Michael Medved, for example, called it "paralyzing,
puerile paranoia."
Corsi couldn't be reached to comment.
SPREADING THE STORY
The Internet helped spread the story, through Web sites such as
WorldNetDaily.com and dozens of other conservative sites, often repeating
charges without evidence or attribution beyond other like-minded Web sites.
"This is abetted by changes in the structure of communications," said Michael
Barkun, an expert in conspiracy theories and a political science professor at
the Maxwell School at Syracuse University.
"What once would have been fringe ideas are spread very quickly and much more
widely than would have been the case even 10 years ago. . . . Ideas that
originate in quite small subcultures can very quickly get mainstreamed."
Once the story spread on the Internet, several of the birthers have found a
stage on talk radio and cable TV. Lou Dobbs of CNN, for example, has said he
thinks the allegation is false, yet he continues airing them.
Radio talker Rush Limbaugh has joked about it, saying, "Barack Obama has one
thing in common with God. You know what it is? God doesn't have a birth
certificate either."
Sean Hannity prominently featured Andy Martin on his Fox News program during
the 2008 presidential campaign. Hannity also heavily promoted Corsi when
Corsi's anti-Obama book came out.
Talk show host Liddy has repeatedly featured stories charging that the
president was born in Kenya.
Ultimately, the story's taken hold with some Republicans.
Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla., introduced a bill in the House of Representatives
that would require a presidential candidate to produce a birth certificate
"together with such other documentation as may be necessary" to prove natural-
born citizenship. It would take effect in 2012, in time to force Obama to
produce more documentation.
Posey has nine co-sponsors so far, all Republicans.
In the Senate, Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., told the Tulsa World he didn't
think it was a priority, but that he understood the birthers' quest.
"I don't discourage them from going ahead and pursuing that," he said.
There are signs that Republicans see political risk in encouraging the
birthers.
Steele distanced himself from them on Thursday. Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, his
party's leader in the House, said he has other priorities, and that he has no
reason to believe the allegation.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/v-print/story/1164868.html
iq_
> iq_ wrote
>
> > WASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of
> > lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as
> > president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan
> > certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District
> > Court for its authentication.
>
> > The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley
> > Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4,
> > 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa,
> > Kenya.
> > No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature
> > of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Couya. It was
> > allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February
> > 1964.
>
> We've seen it. It's a hand written piece of paper, nothing more.
>
> Orly Taitz is a Russian immigrant BTW.
>
> Here's the truth: 'Birther' claims are just plain nuts
> Steven Thomma
You Obama supporters are fuced and you know it. Taitz has the real
McCoy, and now you are screwed and tatooed. Got to love it, it is so
much fun watching a high class liar like Obama squirm and hide.
boo-radley
were not fuced YOU are LOL
McClatchy Washington Bureau
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Here's the truth: 'Birther' claims are just plain nuts
Steven Thomma | McClatchy Newspapers
last updated: July 31, 2009 05:26:33 PM
WASHINGTON — The false allegation that President Barack Obama was born
in another country is more than a fact-free hit job.
Marked by accusations and backstabbing, it's the story of how a small
but intense movement called "birthers" rose from a handful of people
prone to seeing conspiracies, aided by the Internet, magnified without
evidence by eager radio and cable TV hosts, and eventually ratified by
a small group of Republican politicians working to keep the story
alive on the floors of Congress and the campaign trails of the
Midwest.
It's a powerful story about what experts call political paranoia over
a new face in a time of anxiety and rapid change — the sort of viral
THE TALE
THE FACTS
THE TAPE
Yet the tape circulated on the Internet doesn't actually say that —
The tape ends abruptly.
THE BIRTHERS
ANTHONY MARTIN
A frequent and always unsuccessful candidate for office — he's running
this time for U.S. Senate in Illinois — Martin was the first to charge
ORLY TAITZ
"I don’t need to prove anything,” she said. "He’s the one that needs
to provide proper evidence that he is qualified to be president.”
PHILIP BERG
from two generations — charging that the government secretly allowed
the 2001 terrorist attacks to happen.
In detail, Berg's suit alleged that the World Trade Center towers were
destroyed from within and that the Federal Emergency Management Agency
maintained "a black-op shadow government designed to replace the
elected government of the United States." (FEMA at the time was run by
Michael Brown, later infamous for his stewardship of the agency
following Hurricane Katrina.)
Once allies with Orly Taitz — the two appeared together in December at
the National Press Club — Berg has had a falling out with the
JEROME CORSI
SPREADING THE STORY
necessary" to prove natural-born citizenship. It would take effect in
2012, in time to force Obama to produce more documentation.
Posey has nine co-sponsors so far, all Republicans.
In the Senate, Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., told the Tulsa World he
didn't think it was a priority, but that he understood the birthers'
quest.
"I don't discourage them from going ahead and pursuing that," he said.
There are signs that Republicans see political risk in encouraging the
birthers.
Steele distanced himself from them on Thursday. Rep. John Boehner, R-
Ohio, his party's leader in the House, said he has other priorities,
and that he has no reason to believe the allegation.
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> were not fuced YOU are LOL
Go back to bed and take your blue pill, durka.
Slave
"iq_" <anewt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7048d07a-a03d-43d5...@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
Fact is, Obama is going to be in the WH for at least 4-8 years and maybe
longer if he's chosen later for a cabinet position.
Seems it's ass clowns like you who are 'fuced' AND YOU KNOW IT,
hahahahaha........
Love to watch your desperate cries for mental health.
James Of Tucson
> WASHINGTON – California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of
> lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as
> president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan
> certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District
> Court for its authentication.
Right, the one that says in the background, in Dutch, that the
"document" is a sham.
I hope she gets a contempt of court citation for this.
DIT IS GEEN GELDIG DOCUMENT VAN DE OVERHEID. DIT IS POLITIEKE
COMMENTAAR. HIJ IS VOORZITTER VOOR MINSTENS DRIE EN EEN HALF VAN MEER
JAREN. KEUR HET GOED. DIT ZAL NIET VERANDEREN.
You don't even need to understand Dutch to get the gist of that.
By the way, Dutch writing never appears on either UK or Kenyan
government documents.
James Of Tucson
> You Obama supporters are fuced and you know it. Taitz has the real
> McCoy, and now you are screwed and tatooed. Got to love it, it is so
> much fun watching a high class liar like Obama squirm and hide.
She has submitted a document to a court that says on it:
"This is not a valid government document. This is political
commentary. He is President for at least three and a half more years.
Get used to it, it's not going to change."
She could very easily be disbarred for this. Even more easily she
could be cited for contempt of court and be heavily fined for it.
Is she lying or is she negligent?
Fredric L. Rice
>WASHINGTON =96 California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of
>lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as
>president
LOL. Insane Christian rightards.
---
Scientology crime boss David Miscaviage is violently insane:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/article1023717.ece
The Doctor (as portrayed by Richard Hurndall)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB1opCUt4zk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILmqq_4QyhI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOkl3FZDCvs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVaRdEMlpqk
The KKKrooKKKed lying repugnigoons need to practice birther control.
rangotang
> of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Couya. It was
> allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February
> 1964.
>
> WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for
> purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be
> identical.
>
> none of the obvious traits of a hoax.
>
It's a fake.
How do I know? Because this "certified copy" is dated "17 February
1964" - and the form has printed on it (at the bottom in the video)
"The Republic of Kenya". But in February 1964, Kenya was still "The
Dominion of Kenya" -- it didn't become "The Republic" until mid-
December 1964.
see for example,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_state_of_Kenya
Hell, even Dan Rather would have detected this Third World fraud.
Taitz, by filing this in court, may have brought her legal career to a
crashing halt.
Fredric L. Rice
>> No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature
>> of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Couya. It was
>> allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February
>> 1964.
>>
>> WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for
>> purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be
>> identical.
>>
>> The new document released by Taitz bears
>> none of the obvious traits of a hoax.
>>
>======================
>It's a fake.
LOL. Shouldn't you insane rightards tell someone?
Lamont Cranston
> WASHINGTON � California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed
> foreign records
> not yet obtained � be preserved from destruction, asks for
ROTFLMAO!! Notice the "Republic of Kenya" notation at the
bottom of this "birth certificate"? Kenya didn't become a
Republic until 1964, three years *after* the date on this
document. It's obviously fraudulent.
Lamont Cranston
What is fun is watching you get taken in by an obviously
fraudulent document. I wonder if she created it herself or
paid someone for it.
ranger
> What is fun is watching you get taken in by an obviously fraudulent
> document. I wonder if she created it herself or paid someone for it.
I cannot wait -- she is going to try to introduce that photo as evidence
in a federal court. She will swear to its authenticity, and will
probably have to make claims under oath about how it came into her
possession. That will be interesting. Or it would be, if there was a
snowball's chance of this case having a hearing in court. Maybe it
would, if she were pressing criminal charges of forgery against Dr.
Fukino, but then this photo does not reach the standards of evidence for
a criminal charge like that.
Fredric L. Rice
>iq_ wrote:
>> more at:
>> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764
>ROTFLMAO!! Notice the "Republic of Kenya" notation at the
>bottom of this "birth certificate"? Kenya didn't become a
>Republic until 1964, three years *after* the date on this
>document.
Hey! Stop that, you liberal Commie! Stop that truth and facts stuff!
Anyone who provides truth and facts hates America and is a Communist
Allah-fucking atheist.
z
curioser and curioser. first we had to explain how Obama's mother got
to Kenya unobserved; no we have to explain how Mombasa got to Kenya
unobserved, three years before it actually was moved from Zanzibar to
Kenya.
friggin morons.
z
>
> - Show quoted text -
he was born in a hospital in mombasa in kenya? in 1961? well that is
amazing. mombasa was part of zanzibar in 1961.