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Stormin Mormon

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Aug 7, 2005, 8:16:17 PM8/7/05
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Writing to say thanks to Turtle, and a few others on the board. I got a
service call Saturday for "central AC not cooling". The fellow told me over
the phone it's a Goodman. Hmm. Yeah, I'm thinking. Janijunk?

After some diagnosis, I found a couple of problems. One side of the breaker
not delivering power, and of course the GE incapacitor had managed to
disable the unit.

As it was Saturday afternoon, the parts houses were all closed. I'd brought
along a couple other capacitors that I had taken out of other equipment. The
other one I put in also didn't work (hey, it's also a GE). So, crawling
along on my hands and knees, out of water, twenty miles from the oasis, and
it's all I can do to keep crawling. Oh, sorry, that was the shipwreck.
Nevermind. Well, I did have another cap, though it had a higher farad
rating. Not to worry. Wire it in, and push in the safety disconnect.

Wonder of wonders, the fan jumped to life, and the piston compressor started
to make its usual compressor noise. I've got to go back and put in a new cap
on Monday. Per the advice here, I'll put in a GE. Job security, eh?

I've also got plans to clean the condensor coils. I'd ask what kind of coil
cleaner you guys use, but I'd start a two week flamefest. I'm going to use
Alki-Foam (I think it's purple?). And of course, my favorite pressure
washer. I'll let you know how it goes.

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Bubba

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Aug 7, 2005, 9:56:10 PM8/7/05
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Stormy,, you fuckin hack. You bring along a bunch of junk capacitors
that you probably dont even know the microfared rating. So you dump in
a higher rated capacitor and figure "hey what the hell, that'll last
the weekend." I hope you smoke the guys condenser motor and
compressor. I hope you choke on that little repair. Oh, thats right,
you'll just tell him it was his fault because the unit is a
"junk-a-trol".
I suppose you'll tell him he had weak aluminum coil fins too after you
wash em flat with that pressure washer.
You need to be tied to a pole, soaked in gasoline, ignited and then
thrown in front of a speeding subway train.
Bubba

Jake

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Aug 7, 2005, 10:05:39 PM8/7/05
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>>
>>After some diagnosis, I found a couple of problems. One side of the breaker
>>not delivering power, and of course the GE incapacitor had managed to
>>disable the unit.
>>

Chris,

ONE SIDE OF THE BREAKER not delivering power on a two-pole breaker is
cause to investigate further... a LOT further.

I won't speculate on all it might mean... but it's a dangerous condition
and needs corrected... RIGHT.

I have no idea what you did to get it going, but the cap is the least of
your worries.

Jake

p...@see_my_sig_for_address.com

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Aug 7, 2005, 10:06:09 PM8/7/05
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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 01:56:10 GMT, Bubba <ReMoVeL...@iname.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:16:17 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
><cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Writing to say thanks to Turtle, and a few others on the board. I got a
>>service call Saturday for "central AC not cooling". The fellow told me over
>>the phone it's a Goodman. Hmm. Yeah, I'm thinking. Janijunk?
>>
>>After some diagnosis, I found a couple of problems. One side of the breaker
>>not delivering power, and of course the GE incapacitor had managed to
>>disable the unit.
>>
>>As it was Saturday afternoon, the parts houses were all closed. I'd brought
>>along a couple other capacitors that I had taken out of other equipment. The
>>other one I put in also didn't work (hey, it's also a GE). So, crawling

You fucking sorry-assed hack.

>>along on my hands and knees, out of water, twenty miles from the oasis, and
>>it's all I can do to keep crawling. Oh, sorry, that was the shipwreck.
>>Nevermind. Well, I did have another cap, though it had a higher farad
>>rating. Not to worry. Wire it in, and push in the safety disconnect.
>>
>>Wonder of wonders, the fan jumped to life, and the piston compressor started
>>to make its usual compressor noise. I've got to go back and put in a new cap
>>on Monday. Per the advice here, I'll put in a GE. Job security, eh?
>>
>>I've also got plans to clean the condensor coils. I'd ask what kind of coil
>>cleaner you guys use, but I'd start a two week flamefest. I'm going to use
>>Alki-Foam (I think it's purple?). And of course, my favorite pressure
>>washer. I'll let you know how it goes.
>
>Stormy,, you fuckin hack. You bring along a bunch of junk capacitors
>that you probably dont even know the microfared rating. So you dump in
>a higher rated capacitor and figure "hey what the hell, that'll last
>the weekend." I hope you smoke the guys condenser motor and
>compressor. I hope you choke on that little repair. Oh, thats right,
>you'll just tell him it was his fault because the unit is a
>"junk-a-trol".
>I suppose you'll tell him he had weak aluminum coil fins too after you
>wash em flat with that pressure washer.
>You need to be tied to a pole, soaked in gasoline, ignited and then
>thrown in front of a speeding subway train.
>Bubba

Waste of a perfectly good train, if you ask me.

Just burn him.


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Stormin Mormon

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Aug 7, 2005, 10:10:34 PM8/7/05
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So, how's things at home? Been sleeping well? Hey, if you'd cut back on the
coffee and beer after dinner, I bet your stomach wouldn't bother you as
much. And don't kick the cat after 4 PM any more. Remember, Jesus might love
you forever, but you can can run away.

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Stormin Mormon

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Aug 7, 2005, 10:25:36 PM8/7/05
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It's a very old Murray circuit panel. Every spot is used. There are two
narrow double breakers. The two inner ones are twinned, and 30 amp (probably
for the clothes dryer). The outer ones are 20 amp, and there is a mechanical
handle that connects the two outer breakers. The handle doesn't do a very
good job of tripping the other breaker when one throws.

I found the bad breaker by taking the panel open, and check for power at
each breaker. I got the power to come back by cycling the breaker on and off
a couple times

So, you're the electrician in the family. What do you suggest?

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TURTLE

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>>>

This is Turtle.

A lot of these old switch boxes has odd supply of power. Probley what Stormy is
talking about is he has 2 -- single breaker suppling 220 power to it and only
one of the two single breakers tripped.

TURTLE


PrecisionMachinisT

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"TURTLE" <turtl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Sounds like a 'space-saver' breaker set, basically 4 individual breakers
riveted together and only uses two stabs on the bussbar.....your sposed to
use the model that has a tie bar on the outside pair also if it's gonna be
used to feed a pair of 220v branch circuits.

Undouba tably the proper tie bar is available.....just that your probly not
gonna find it at Home Depot.

As to putting in a "used capacitor".....and "eventually" replacing it with
another GE one for "job security".....well...all I can say is ...Jesus
*might* forgive you.... but nobody else in town is gonna....

!!!ASSHOLE!!!

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Stormin Mormon

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Aug 7, 2005, 11:57:33 PM8/7/05
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Correct. I don't know how old the box is, but it's plenty old. The breaker
handle wasn't thrown over, so I had to find the problem with a meter.

With one side of a circuit breaker tripped, the entire unit can be energized
(shock hazzard) but not be running. Fortunately, there is a pull out
disconnect on the side of the house next to the unit, which I pull out while
working.

Much like the contactors where they are getting cheap, and only connecting
or disconnecting one leg of the 220.

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>


> ONE SIDE OF THE BREAKER not delivering power on a two-pole breaker is
cause to
> investigate further... a LOT further.
>
> I won't speculate on all it might mean... but it's a dangerous condition
and
> needs corrected... RIGHT.
>

Carolina Breeze HVAC

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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Writing to say thanks to Turtle, and a few others on the board. I got a
> service call Saturday for "central AC not cooling". The fellow told me
> over
> the phone it's a Goodman. Hmm. Yeah, I'm thinking. Janijunk?

Right up your alley fucker.

>
> After some diagnosis, I found a couple of problems. One side of the
> breaker
> not delivering power, and of course the GE incapacitor had managed to
> disable the unit.

IT is called a capacitor. There isnt a thing funny about your post..your
post here is the reason that you need to be locked up...GOD I wish you were
here.
Its illegal here for you to do what you do there...be glad, be VERY glad.

>
> As it was Saturday afternoon, the parts houses were all closed. I'd
> brought
> along a couple other capacitors that I had taken out of other equipment.
> The
> other one I put in also didn't work (hey, it's also a GE). So, crawling
> along on my hands and knees, out of water, twenty miles from the oasis,
> and
> it's all I can do to keep crawling. Oh, sorry, that was the shipwreck.
> Nevermind. Well, I did have another cap, though it had a higher farad
> rating. Not to worry. Wire it in, and push in the safety disconnect.

You fucking hack. You take OLD equipment? You INSTALL OLD EQUIPMENT IN A
CUSTOMERS UNIT??
GOD DAMN IT ALL TO FUCKING HELL....
You know, I hope you put a huge fuckign cap in that customers unit and got
then wired wrong...I really do..I hope like hell you slapped a 40-440 on a
condensor fan...and I hope it smokes.
I also hope you "customer" reads this and realizes that you fucked him
harder than hes ever been.

>
> Wonder of wonders, the fan jumped to life, and the piston compressor
> started
> to make its usual compressor noise. I've got to go back and put in a new
> cap
> on Monday. Per the advice here, I'll put in a GE. Job security, eh?

Theif.
You got job security being the prison bitch.

>
> I've also got plans to clean the condensor coils. I'd ask what kind of
> coil
> cleaner you guys use, but I'd start a two week flamefest. I'm going to use
> Alki-Foam (I think it's purple?). And of course, my favorite pressure
> washer. I'll let you know how it goes.

GOD, I hope that the sucker that allowed you to do this "job" has dogs, and
I hope like hell they have been pissin on the coil for about 4 years with no
service and I hope when you are done, there isnt a thing there but a copper
coil and you going..well gee....looks like I get to hack you in a new unit.

And people wonder why I despise fuckers like you....
Suggestion: Get a job..not in locksmithing, or HVAC...you suck at both.

JESUS FUCING CHRIST you hack....any legit HVAC tech knows that when the
temps go up, you stock up on all your caps, GE or not....you stock up on
caps..oh..thats right....you dont knwo what to stock, cause you got no
fucking clue what goes in one..

ya know....thinking about it, I hope like hell, I mean, I REALLY hope this
is a sting operation, that the unit in question is still under the 5 year
parts warranty, and you charge the fuck out of the customer for the part...
I hope its one of those cheap ass 5-35-370s and you charge em enough to make
your trailor lot rent......and get busted.

Noon-Air

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> Much like the contactors where they are getting cheap, and only connecting
> or disconnecting one leg of the 220.
>

Actually, cheap has nothing to do with it, there is a reason why one leg
stays energized.... especially on heat pumps.

Lets see if you can figure out what it is.

Carolina Breeze HVAC

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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Correct. I don't know how old the box is, but it's plenty old. The breaker
> handle wasn't thrown over, so I had to find the problem with a meter.
>
> With one side of a circuit breaker tripped, the entire unit can be
> energized
> (shock hazzard) but not be running. Fortunately, there is a pull out
> disconnect on the side of the house next to the unit, which I pull out
> while
> working.
>
> Much like the contactors where they are getting cheap, and only connecting
> or disconnecting one leg of the 220.

Just curious Chrissy, you got any idea why there is a single leg thats
feeding into the compresor on a heat pump???
Better yet, you got any idea WHY when you slap on those nice new DT
contactors, you HAVE to take one leg that was probably wired on the LOAD
side and wire it to the LINE side or you screwed up???

Stormin Mormon

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Aug 8, 2005, 9:50:26 AM8/8/05
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Crankcase heater.

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TURTLE

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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Crankcase heater.
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young

This is Turtle.

Stormy , here is your chance to excell. Tell us how the heater wires up on the
single pole and also on the double pole. There is a certain reason that the
heater is wired up on single pole contactor and does save money on electricity
when the compressor is running. Stormy you need to know this one when wiring up
contactors.

TURTLE


B-Hate-Me

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Aug 8, 2005, 1:08:13 PM8/8/05
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This has got to be a goof.......Right?


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Carolina Breeze HVAC

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"B-Hate-Me" <BHateMe@home> wrote in message
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> This has got to be a goof.......Right?

WElcome to Chris Youngs world...

Scary as hell aint it?

Jake

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> This is Turtle.
>
> Stormy , here is your chance to excell. Tell us how the heater wires up on the
> single pole and also on the double pole. There is a certain reason that the
> heater is wired up on single pole contactor and does save money on electricity
> when the compressor is running. Stormy you need to know this one when wiring up
> contactors.
>
> TURTLE
>
>

Here's a funny one...

When we put the larger compressor in this Hankison unit recently, of
course it had a CCH.

I had her charged up... everything looking good... used the control
package pumpdown cycle.... and shut it down... all seemed well.

Then... Then.... when it was shut down... smoke started coming from the
bottom of the compressor. The customer was standing there, and in a
panic... Hell, I was worried for a second until I figured it out.

We had to bleed a little oil out of the Copeland, per the installation
instructions, and got a little sloppy doing it, resulting in some oil
residue on the compressor case.

Man, those CCH's get hot in a hurry! That oil stinks, too!

A good wipe-down solved the problem (-;.

Jake

Oh, BTW.... I was doing a little research checking things out prior to
this install and found a discussion on the old compressor, a Tecumseh
SF series, on this NG in 1998 and 1999... and it hit the problem on the
head! Tecumseh had problems and HAD to recommend a check-valve, too, Paul...

Thanks to the posters in '98 and '99 and Google!

It's been redesigned now, I take it... but Copeland ate their lunch by
building a scroll to the exact mounting dims, line sizes and positions, etc.

The Copeland Hermi runs great, too! That last 5 pounds of -22 took some
time to get in, though... even going liquid into that gigantic
accumulator Hankison uses.


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Aug 8, 2005, 9:16:17 PM8/8/05
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On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:09:59 GMT, Jake <jkel...@insightbb.com>
wrote:

>Man, those CCH's get hot in a hurry! That oil stinks, too!

Try picking up one of the insertion types with your bare hand,
after the other guy TOLD you he had disconnected it, but in fact it's
been powered up, hanging in mid-air during the change-out :-(

Tekkie®

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Carolina Breeze HVAC posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.

> GOD, I hope that the sucker that allowed you to do this "job" has dogs, and
> I hope like hell they have been pissin on the coil for about 4 years with no
> service and I hope when you are done, there isnt a thing there but a copper
> coil and you going..well gee....looks like I get to hack you in a new unit.
>
> And people wonder why I despise fuckers like you....
> Suggestion: Get a job..not in locksmithing, or HVAC...you suck at both.
>
> JESUS FUCING CHRIST you hack....any legit HVAC tech knows that when the
> temps go up, you stock up on all your caps, GE or not....you stock up on
> caps..oh..thats right....you dont knwo what to stock, cause you got no
> fucking clue what goes in one..
>
> ya know....thinking about it, I hope like hell, I mean, I REALLY hope this
> is a sting operation, that the unit in question is still under the 5 year
> parts warranty, and you charge the fuck out of the customer for the part...
> I hope its one of those cheap ass 5-35-370s and you charge em enough to make
> your trailor lot rent......and get busted.
>
> >
>

I have found that these idiots never seem to get caught. They amble through life doing
crap like this time and again. Does anyone have a clue to what Stormy could ACTUALLY do
for a job / benefit the world? Maybe there is a production type job that he do but have
my doubts if it would involve two or more process'.
--

Tekkie

Jake

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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> It's a very old Murray circuit panel. Every spot is used. There are two
> narrow double breakers. The two inner ones are twinned, and 30 amp (probably
> for the clothes dryer). The outer ones are 20 amp, and there is a mechanical
> handle that connects the two outer breakers. The handle doesn't do a very
> good job of tripping the other breaker when one throws.
>
> I found the bad breaker by taking the panel open, and check for power at
> each breaker. I got the power to come back by cycling the breaker on and off
> a couple times
>
> So, you're the electrician in the family. What do you suggest?
>

Chris,

Older Murray panels, as I recall, don't have direct replacements with
the Siemens-ITE-whoever else panel footprint.

Breakers feeding two pole loads are required by the code to have a
'approved' mechanical tie bar that opens both poles at the same time.

There are good reasons for this, as you might imagine.

Stab-in panels that have experienced a lot of stress, and that are old,
need some looking into when they trip for no apparent reason (or fail to
trip, too). At the very least, the breaker needs to be removed from the
panel and BOTH the panel buss and the breaker stab clamps be inspected
for any signs of heat, corrosion, or whatever. It's usually there.

I don't like stab-in, and don't have them anywhere I can avoid it...
especially with AL busses like almost everyone but SQ D uses on the QO
line. They need a lot of TLC.

Just my $0.02. The breaker needs a proper mechanical tie, or needs replaced.

Jake

Paul

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pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:09:59 GMT, Jake <jkel...@insightbb.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Man, those CCH's get hot in a hurry! That oil stinks, too!
>
> Try picking up one of the insertion types with your bare hand,
>after the other guy TOLD you he had disconnected it, but in fact it's
>been powered up, hanging in mid-air during the change-out :-(

What idiot leaves the power turned on to the equipment you're doing a compressor
change out on? oh, ok. that idiot. Sorry Paul, didnt mean to infer you were
the idiot..... :)

Paul (not the software salesman)

Stormin Mormon

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Aug 8, 2005, 10:37:27 PM8/8/05
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When wiring contactors, I just put all the wires back on the new contator
in the same place as the old. Good thing I've never had to wire up a unit
someone pulled the contactor and left all the wires hanging.

It's been about 10 years since I learned about crankcase heaters. I know
they run in series with the compressor windings. I spent a bunch of time
working it over in my mind, and this is what I came up with.


~~~~~~compressor~~~~~~~~crankcase heater~~~~
L1 L2 L2
switched
direct

When L2 switched is open, there is current flow through the L2 direct to L1.
The heater has a high enough resistance that the power going through the
compressor is only about 50 watts, which is not much amperage.

When the L2 contactor pulls, then the heater is connected from L2 to L2,
which has a potential of zero, and so the crankcase heater provides no heat.
And of course, the compressor has L1 and L2, which is a good thing.

Anyhow, I'm running off a 10 year old memory, so I may be out in space. but
I wanted to give you an honest answer before I got out the old class books.
I can't remember off hand how to wire a crankcase heater off a two pole
contactor.

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Stormin Mormon

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You handle equipment without metering it yourself? Wow, you're either
trusting, gullible, or, someone help me. What's some other descriptors?

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Stormin Mormon

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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> It's a very old Murray circuit panel. Every spot is used. There are two
> narrow double breakers. The two inner ones are twinned, and 30 amp
(probably
> for the clothes dryer). The outer ones are 20 amp, and there is a
mechanical
> handle that connects the two outer breakers. The handle doesn't do a very
> good job of tripping the other breaker when one throws.
>
> I found the bad breaker by taking the panel open, and check for power at
> each breaker. I got the power to come back by cycling the breaker on and
off
> a couple times
>
> So, you're the electrician in the family. What do you suggest?
>

Chris,

Older Murray panels, as I recall, don't have direct replacements with
the Siemens-ITE-whoever else panel footprint.

CY: You got that right. The fellow wanted me to replace a couple breakers
that were giving him trouble. Though, not the ones feeding the AC. I got a
couple Homeline breakers at Home Depot. I had to remove some plastic from
the one side to get the breaker to settle all the way down. Another reason
to carry a Leatherman.


Breakers feeding two pole loads are required by the code to have a
'approved' mechanical tie bar that opens both poles at the same time.

There are good reasons for this, as you might imagine.

CY: This did have a mechanical tie, but it wasn't working all that well.


Stab-in panels that have experienced a lot of stress, and that are old,
need some looking into when they trip for no apparent reason (or fail to
trip, too). At the very least, the breaker needs to be removed from the
panel and BOTH the panel buss and the breaker stab clamps be inspected
for any signs of heat, corrosion, or whatever. It's usually there.

CY: Excellent idea. I'd not thought of that. I did give the new breakers a
blast of Noalox before installing.


I don't like stab-in, and don't have them anywhere I can avoid it...
especially with AL busses like almost everyone but SQ D uses on the QO
line. They need a lot of TLC.

CY: Well, that's all I see. But then, I'm doing mostly residential. We don't
see many screw down terminals on breakers.


Just my $0.02. The breaker needs a proper mechanical tie, or needs replaced.

CY: It's got a mechanical tie. I wonder, though, what are the odds I could
find a better way to do that. Well, it's water under the bridge now. I did
the follow up call tonight, clean the condensor, and now the unit draws
about an amp less under load. The liquid line is feeding about 20 degrees
cooler refrigerant. I do thank you for the wisdom. I'll remember to check
for burnt stab in connections in the future. Now to get some nonconductive
stab in cleaner tool of some kind. I've had it suggested to me to "never,
never" shut off mains at a home, cause they usually havn't been cycled in
the life of the box, and sometimes they don't come back on.

Jake


Jake

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> What idiot leaves the power turned on to the equipment you're doing
a compressor
> change out on? oh, ok. that idiot. Sorry Paul, didnt mean to infer you were
> the idiot..... :)
>
>
>
> Paul (not the software salesman)

Where did you come from, Sir? First the opinion out-your-ass on error
code six for a AH/Furnace you didn't even know about, and now this?

There are plenty of reasons to leave the power on... can you imagine a
commercial unit, with two or more compressors running in tandem (or
more) and you just walk in and shut the whole deal down. Doesn't happen,
my friend.

You get to pull individual fuses, or discos (if available), and rely on
the control circuit. I usually disconnect the starter coil for the unit
(or pull a output fuse).

Working equipment hot is something that happens all the time, and the
only idiot is one who fools with it is one who does not know what
they're doing.

So the CCH was live.. so what? I'd guess if terminals were being touched
a meter would have been employed first... I've figured out that Paul
knows that much (-;.

Jake

p...@see_my_sig_for_address.com

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The one who is under an absolute requirement to leave the
OTHER compressors in the unit running, and not shut the whole fucking
unit down, you asshole :-)

Someday, if you ever progress beyond the 'little residential
shit', you'll come to understand what it means to have 6 30 ton
D-frames paralleled in one unit. And no, you don't shut the whole
freaking chiller down for a compressor change.


>Paul (not the software salesman)

Too bad for you, you're missing out on a BUNCH of money !

Jake

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> CY: You got that right. The fellow wanted me to replace a couple breakers
> that were giving him trouble. Though, not the ones feeding the AC. I got a
> couple Homeline breakers at Home Depot. I had to remove some plastic from
> the one side to get the breaker to settle all the way down. Another reason
> to carry a Leatherman.
>

Chris,

If you are truly trying to earn a living at this, and not a troll, this
is so ludicrous, silly and completely insane that I'll refuse to comment
any further.

As to your situation, though, I'd gather up all my records, go to city
hall first thing tomorrow morning and talk to a building inspector..
give them the story you just gave me about the quality of your work, and
hope for the best.

Perhaps they can get someone competent to fix your dangerous problems,
and hopefully (if you haven't killed anyone yet) you won't go to jail.

Jake

Oscar_Lives

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"Tekkie®" <Tek...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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He's a piss poor evangelist. His Mormon cult crap turns people AWAY from
Jesus.

Carolina Breeze HVAC

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<pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 02:33:02 GMT, "Paul"
> <paul...@jamesmechanical.com> wrote:
>
>>pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:09:59 GMT, Jake <jkel...@insightbb.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Man, those CCH's get hot in a hurry! That oil stinks, too!
>>>
>>> Try picking up one of the insertion types with your bare hand,
>>>after the other guy TOLD you he had disconnected it, but in fact it's
>>>been powered up, hanging in mid-air during the change-out :-(
>>
>>What idiot leaves the power turned on to the equipment you're doing a
>>compressor
>>change out on? oh, ok. that idiot. Sorry Paul, didnt mean to infer you
>>were
>>the idiot..... :)
>
> The one who is under an absolute requirement to leave the
> OTHER compressors in the unit running, and not shut the whole fucking
> unit down, you asshole :-)
>
> Someday, if you ever progress beyond the 'little residential
> shit', you'll come to understand what it means to have 6 30 ton
> D-frames paralleled in one unit. And no, you don't shut the whole
> freaking chiller down for a compressor change.


No shit...did the HoJo in Palm Springs....4 banks of 4 compressors running
in that chiller...easy as hell to change out one too, but just had to make
sure all the live goodies were isolated and at least taped back...lol

Carolina Breeze HVAC

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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> When wiring contactors, I just put all the wires back on the new contator
> in the same place as the old. Good thing I've never had to wire up a unit
> someone pulled the contactor and left all the wires hanging.


Wrong...wrong..wrong...wait till you get a nice neat looking XR Trane that
needs a contactor.
That little square fucker does not wire the way you think it does....
Also..you just admitted you have no damn clue, nor business working on a
thing.

>
> It's been about 10 years since I learned about crankcase heaters. I know
> they run in series with the compressor windings. I spent a bunch of time
> working it over in my mind, and this is what I came up with.
>
>
> ~~~~~~compressor~~~~~~~~crankcase heater~~~~
> L1 L2
> L2
> switched
> direct
>
> When L2 switched is open, there is current flow through the L2 direct to
> L1.
> The heater has a high enough resistance that the power going through the
> compressor is only about 50 watts, which is not much amperage.
>
> When the L2 contactor pulls, then the heater is connected from L2 to L2,
> which has a potential of zero, and so the crankcase heater provides no
> heat.
> And of course, the compressor has L1 and L2, which is a good thing.
>
> Anyhow, I'm running off a 10 year old memory, so I may be out in space.
> but
> I wanted to give you an honest answer before I got out the old class
> books.
> I can't remember off hand how to wire a crankcase heater off a two pole
> contactor.


Then you need to learn, you fucking weasil wannabe.

B-Hate-Me

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B-Hate-Me

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"Jake" <jkel...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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>
>> CY: You got that right. The fellow wanted me to replace a couple breakers
>> that were giving him trouble. Though, not the ones feeding the AC. I got
>> a
>> couple Homeline breakers at Home Depot. I had to remove some plastic
>> from
>> the one side to get the breaker to settle all the way down. Another
>> reason
>> to carry a Leatherman.
>>
>
> Chris,
>
> If you are truly trying to earn a living at this, and not a troll, this is
> so ludicrous, silly and completely insane that I'll refuse to comment any
> further.
>

He's got to be a troll.....No one can really be that stupid, right?

It's like saying, "I just gave my kid a knife and told him to run
quickly to a live outlet and stick it in".....

It's just too hard to believe the things he "says" he does.

Course, then there's all that gay mormon shit.......


B-Hate-Me

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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You handle equipment without metering it yourself? Wow, you're either
> trusting, gullible, or, someone help me. What's some other descriptors?
>

Maybe he had "faith".......Like you.


B-Hate-Me

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That's it.....This cocksucker had GOT to be a troll. Period.

I can usually spot a troll a mile off, but I must admit Stormy, you
are the best I've ever seen.....I think I would have got it sooner
but the stupidity coupled with the gay god sig really threw me.


"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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p...@see_my_sig_for_address.com

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On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 02:45:35 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:

>You handle equipment without metering it yourself? Wow, you're either
>trusting, gullible, or, someone help me. What's some other descriptors?

How about 'you fucking mormon moron' ?

Shove it up your ass, your fucking retard.

TURTLE

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"Carolina Breeze HVAC" <st...@carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
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This is Turtle.

You just became a real LOW LIFE when you cuss a person for saying I Don't know
something , but that person did explain the first question ask of him. I know
your a Asshole as you say but becoming a low life is way down from asshole.

I had made a statement about you being a low life. Well that statement still
stands as stated.

TURTLE


TURTLE

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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> When wiring contactors, I just put all the wires back on the new contator
> in the same place as the old. Good thing I've never had to wire up a unit
> someone pulled the contactor and left all the wires hanging.
>
> It's been about 10 years since I learned about crankcase heaters. I know
> they run in series with the compressor windings. I spent a bunch of time
> working it over in my mind, and this is what I came up with.
>
>
> ~~~~~~compressor~~~~~~~~crankcase heater~~~~
> L1 L2 L2
> switched
> direct
>
> When L2 switched is open, there is current flow through the L2 direct to L1.
> The heater has a high enough resistance that the power going through the
> compressor is only about 50 watts, which is not much amperage.
>
> When the L2 contactor pulls, then the heater is connected from L2 to L2,
> which has a potential of zero, and so the crankcase heater provides no heat.
> And of course, the compressor has L1 and L2, which is a good thing.
>
> Anyhow, I'm running off a 10 year old memory, so I may be out in space. but
> I wanted to give you an honest answer before I got out the old class books.
> I can't remember off hand how to wire a crankcase heater off a two pole
> contactor.
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young

This is Turtle

You surpise me here Stormy but you still need to know how the double pole
contactor are wired up and how the crank case heat wires up to the double pole
contactors. Stormy You need to start reading and listening to the older hands
when they talk about the equipment and how it works and wires up.

Here it is : When using crank case heaters with double pole contactors you wire
them in all the time to the income power. Yes they run all the time. Now you see
why single pole contactors are used to be able to cut the crank case heat off
when being used or turened on , on the newer High SEER units and not burn extra
electricity when running.

Come On Stormy Start listening to the INFO !

TURTLE


~^Johnny^~

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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:16:17 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Writing to say thanks to Turtle, and a few others on the board. I
>got a service call Saturday for "central AC not cooling". The fellow
>told me over the phone it's a Goodman. Hmm. Yeah, I'm thinking.
>Janijunk?
>
>After some diagnosis, I found a couple of problems. One side of the
>breaker not delivering power, and of course the GE incapacitor had
>managed to disable the unit.
>
>As it was Saturday afternoon, the parts houses were all closed. I'd
>brought along a couple other capacitors that I had taken out of
>other equipment. The other one I put in also didn't work (hey, it's
>also a GE). So, crawling along on my hands and knees, out of water,
>twenty miles from the oasis, and it's all I can do to keep crawling.
>Oh, sorry, that was the shipwreck. Nevermind. Well, I did have
>another cap, though it had a higher farad rating. Not to worry. Wire
>it in, and push in the safety disconnect.
>
>Wonder of wonders, the fan jumped to life, and the piston compressor
>started to make its usual compressor noise. I've got to go back and
>put in a new cap on Monday. Per the advice here, I'll put in a GE.
>Job security, eh?

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wide-open at throttle dot info

Stormin Mormon

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Thank you, o shelled one. And the full time crank heater on a double pole
disconnect, that makes good sense.

I do what I can to read and listen. Problem is, there is plenty of
background noise that makes hard to hear the information. The chitchat is
fun, but the noise sure is rough.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


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Stormin Mormon

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A fucking weasel wannabee can always learn. But an asshole is stuck with his
attitude forever. I'm really thinking it's time to find a Christian usenet
group, and form a prayer circle for Sea Weed, there isn't much hope for his
soul. Maybe AA or NA would do some good, but he's got to want to change.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


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"Carolina Breeze HVAC" <st...@carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
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>
>

Oscar_Lives

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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>A fucking weasel wannabee can always learn. But an asshole is stuck with
>his
> attitude forever. I'm really thinking it's time to find a Christian usenet
> group, and form a prayer circle for Sea Weed, there isn't much hope for
> his
> soul. Maybe AA or NA would do some good, but he's got to want to change.
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> www.mormons.com


Why do you keep referring to your cult as "Christian"?

Do you really think Jesus lives on a comet?

Tango

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On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:33:24 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:

>A fucking weasel wannabee can always learn. But an asshole is stuck with his
>attitude forever. I'm really thinking it's time to find a Christian usenet
>group, and form a prayer circle for Sea Weed, there isn't much hope for his
>soul. Maybe AA or NA would do some good, but he's got to want to change.


With your continous top posting and offensive religious tag line, by your very
definition, you are an asshole. You're stuck with your attitude forever.

If you ever expect to effect change, it must first come from within.

If you need somebody to hold your hand, join the Marines.

p...@see_my_sig_for_address.com

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On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 03:19:28 GMT, "Tango" <t.a...@mangotango.org>
wrote:

Yeh, they generally LIKE to hold other guys hands :-)

Uh huh :-)

PrecisionMachinisT

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"B-Hate-Me" <BHateMe@home> wrote in message
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Definately takes faith to safely work on energized equipment...but it's an
entirely different kind of faith than he will ever have.

--

SVL


Carolina Breeze HVAC

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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UHdKe.6437$EX....@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

>A fucking weasel wannabee can always learn. But an asshole is stuck with
>his
> attitude forever. I'm really thinking it's time to find a Christian usenet
> group, and form a prayer circle for Sea Weed, there isn't much hope for
> his
> soul. Maybe AA or NA would do some good, but he's got to want to change.

You do that and Ill sic Satan on your ass.

Real funny about the AA shit..since I dont drink...I just thionk you need to
go work on some more live equipment.

Noon-Air

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"Tango" <t.a...@mangotango.org> wrote in message
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He's too stupid and ignorant to be a Marine.


TURTLE

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"B-Hate-Me" <BHateMe@home> wrote in message
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> That's it.....This cocksucker had GOT to be a troll. Period.
>
> I can usually spot a troll a mile off, but I must admit Stormy, you
> are the best I've ever seen.....I think I would have got it sooner
> but the stupidity coupled with the gay god sig really threw me.
>

This is Turtle.

B , I have stated this about 3 times over the years but you can never be sure.

TURTLE


B-Hate-Me

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"TURTLE" <turtl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>> That's it.....This cocksucker had GOT to be a troll. Period.
>>
>> I can usually spot a troll a mile off, but I must admit Stormy, you
>> are the best I've ever seen.....I think I would have got it sooner
>> but the stupidity coupled with the gay god sig really threw me.
>>
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> B , I have stated this about 3 times over the years but you can never be
> sure.

He's GOT to be a troll....Think about it.

Anyone that stupid would like forget to breathe or something.


Stormin Mormon

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Dear Turtle,
Lets work this question around awhile. Now, supposing for example I
wasn't a troll. What could I do to convince you?

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


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Noon-Air

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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dear Turtle,
> Lets work this question around awhile. Now, supposing for example I
> wasn't a troll. What could I do to convince you?

Grow a brain??


Tekkie®

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Stormin Mormon posted for all of us...

I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.

> Lets work this question around awhile. Now, supposing for example I


> wasn't a troll. What could I do to convince you?
>
>

Turn your computer off. Leave it off. Get a job that you can actually benefit
mankind with. Never post another thing to this or any other group. Shut up and
listen and don't try to push your religion on anyone.
--

Tekkie

Joseph

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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dear Turtle,
> Lets work this question around awhile. Now, supposing for example I
> wasn't a troll. What could I do to convince you?

Go away or STFU and learn something... you asked.

Stormin Mormon

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Don't bother to reply to my questions. You just became invisible again.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


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Noon-Air

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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Don't bother to reply to my questions. You just became invisible again.

Thank you :-)


TURTLE

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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dear Turtle,
> Lets work this question around awhile. Now, supposing for example I
> wasn't a troll. What could I do to convince you?
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young

This is Turtle.

Stormy , There is few things that triggers the Troll mode or thought with things
about you and how you respond.

*** The Mormons I know here would not wear the Mormon Website as a Badge or
pock it in face of every that they replied to on the newsgroup. They would be
smart enough to know that it would be like a distasteful eye sour for the
church. Stormy , your regular Mormon would not do that.

*** You make a claim and then when someone addresses it as to maybe wrong in
someway. they tell you what is wrong with it and Never see a reply from you as
to addressing the problem with statement of your own to see about it being wrong
or right. you will not address anything said wrong with what you say. a person
wanting to know something or learn in discussions on the group. they will
discuss right and wrong as to what they said. Stormy You ignore discussion of
your thoughts.

*** The biggest thing of all is Stormy, You have never ask a question on how to
do anything, never responded to anybody explaining something as to you knowing
more about it, Never said one time that you did not know something that was
stated on the group, and lastly you will post and start a thread as to telling
something you did or just a story, but you will not reply to question ask of
your subject. Now leaving out the all the replies with disrespect in them. You
don't even answer the plain respectiable question ask of you. In repling a
poster ask a question of you and you don't know the answer. You can say i don't
know or Someone explain that you me. It you say this no one but the trolls or
assholes will question it. The regular poster will explain it to you. Also there
is Nobody that knows everything around here.

*** Stop doing these things and you will stop putting out the troll signs to
the group.

TURTLE


Oscar_Lives

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"TURTLE" <turtl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Turtle, you nailed it in this response.

Thanks


Jake

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> Turtle, you nailed it in this response.
>
> Thanks
>
>

I agree.

Jake

Stormin Mormon

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OK, long and involved reply. I'll try to keep mine on topic. First, lets try
out the new signature box. See if that is any better or worse.

I've killfiled most of the crude mouth folks who regularly post. So,
"ignoring people asking you questions" is probably that you see their
accusations, and I don't see their posts.

As for asking a question, my memory is different about this. A couple weeks
ago, I was working on a two ton Rheem system, and that was really making me
crazy. Got some advice from the folks on the group, including a couple
suggestions that I should call a *competent* repairman, and that I should
give up and die.

I think I musta written a couple thankyous to UDarrell, and to you as to
your advice on the two ton Rheem.

"never said you didn't know something". Our memories differ, again. Didn't I
just a day or two ago write that I don't know how to wire a crankcase heater
on a two pole disconnector?

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
.
.


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I've been considering buying one of those "point and read" thermometers. Do
they really work? Sure could be convenient.


They are coming down in price. Johnstone has one about $80 if my memory is
working.


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*** The biggest thing of all is Stormy, You have never ask a question on
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Stormin,
I bought one about three years ago and I have never regretted it. Almost
every time I use it around the customer, they're impressed. Also, I find it
is very helpful as a pointer while I'm trying to answer or explain something
to the customer about their system.


Jabs
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Gee, I never thought of using it as a pointer. But, it sure would do a good
job with that. Thank you, that's a great idea.


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This is Turtle.

*** The biggest thing of all is Stormy, You have never ask a question on
how to
do anything, never responded to anybody explaining something as to you
knowing
more about it, Never said one time that you did not know something that was
stated on the group,

*** Stop doing these things and you will stop putting out the troll signs
to
the group.

TURTLE

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>> I've been considering buying one of those "point and read" thermometers.


>> Do
>> they really work? Sure could be convenient.

>> They are coming down in price. Johnstone has one about $80 if my memory
>> is
>> working.

You might want to splurge and get a $250+ Raytek, because the better Raytek
models have a variable emissivity control, whereas cheaper ones have a fixed
emissivity, it is important to be able to adjust for the surface you are
measuring, as aluminum, copper, stainless, and many other surfaces have very
different amounts of infrared emmision and it makes a big difference in how
accurate your reading are if you can tweak the dial.

Emissivity is the measure of an object's ability to emit infrared energy.
Emitted energy indicates the temperature of the object. Emissivity can have
a value from 0 (shiny mirror) to 1.0 (blackbody). Most organic, painted, or
oxidized surfaces have emissivity values close to 0.95, but metals are all
over the place.


If your infrared thermometer has a fixed, preset emissivity of 0.95, as the
sub-$200 ones do, and you need to measure a shiny object you can compensate
by covering the surface to be measured with flat black paint or masking
tape, then measure the temperature of the taped or painted surface to get
the true temperature. To me, that is a pain!


I use a ST80XB, shown here:
http://www.raytek-northamerica.com/cat.html?cat_id=2.3.3


here is a handy chart for emissivity of metals:
http://tinyurl.com/a78vs


cheers!


cowboy

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I do wish to thank you for the very good information. Will have to spend
some time with the concept of emissive. It makes sense that different colors
and surfaces would read differently.


That could be challenging if I was trying to read a copper suction line, and
the laser was giving me a wrong reading. Might not matter if it was one or
two degrees. But, then, it might?


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This is Turtle.

*** The biggest thing of all is Stormy, You have never ask a question on
how to
do anything, never responded to anybody explaining something as to you
knowing
more about it, Never said one time that you did not know something that was
stated on the group, and lastly you will post and start a thread as to
telling
something you did or just a story, but you will not reply to question ask of
your subject.

*** Stop doing these things and you will stop putting out the troll signs
to
the group.

TURTLE

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Got a call from fellow, whose central AC isn't keeping the house cool.


Rheem system, probably 20 years old. Two ton capacity. I didn't see any
filter dryer along the line. Indoor coil might be captube, or orifice. I did
have one of the covers off, but didn't see anything that looked like an
orifice.


Didn't write down the pressures, but they were running maybe 65 and 250.
Suction line room temp.


I cranked in a couple pounds of juice, and the temp of the suction line
didn't change. Suction pressure went up, a bit, though.


Next day, not much more cooling. Went back and recovered the charge, and
weigh it in. Line set about 50 feet, and still not cooling. The liquid line
off the condensor is room temp. Outdoor temp about 85F. The chart he had
that came with the unit says to charge to 243# on the liquid side, and it
was close to that with a correct charge weight.


Anyhow, the distributer tubes from the orifice (or the captubes, if it's a
captube coil) remain warm, and the house remains warm.


So, what's the diagnosis? And what's the treatment?


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> So, what's the diagnosis? And what's the treatment?

What was the subcooling? Superheat? Return air temp? OA temp? Txv?
Call someone that knows what they are doing?
Greg


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Stormin Mormon wrote:

> So, what's the diagnosis? And what's the treatment?

Quit entertaining the men folk in your 'ward', twinkletoes. And use Prep H.

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> Got a call from fellow, whose central AC isn't keeping the house cool.

> Rheem system, probably 20 years old. Two ton capacity. I didn't see any
> filter dryer along the line. Indoor coil might be captube, or orifice. I
did
> have one of the covers off, but didn't see anything that looked like an
> orifice.


> Didn't write down the pressures, but they were running maybe 65 and 250.
> Suction line room temp.


> I cranked in a couple pounds of juice, and the temp of the suction line
> didn't change. Suction pressure went up, a bit, though.


> Next day, not much more cooling. Went back and recovered the charge, and
> weigh it in. Line set about 50 feet, and still not cooling. The liquid
line
> off the condensor is room temp. Outdoor temp about 85F. The chart he had
> that came with the unit says to charge to 243# on the liquid side, and it
> was close to that with a correct charge weight.


> Anyhow, the distributer tubes from the orifice (or the captubes, if it's a
> captube coil) remain warm, and the house remains warm.


> So, what's the diagnosis? And what's the treatment?


> --


> Christopher A. Young

this is Turtle.

Stormy you just did not give enough info to try to give a good guess at it.


1] Did you use fresh freon ?


2] What was the return and discharge temp of air inside ?


3] What was the pressure when you come back the next day ?


4] You did not say what type system it was , heat pump, gas heat regular
cool,
or chill water system ?


5] After you said you weighted in a the correct charge you did not give
the
suction pressure or say if the suction line was cool. What was the pressure
after you weighted it in ?


6] You did not give the temperature of inside the house during all this ,
What
was it ?


Now with this i could maybe give a guess.


Now Stormy , here is what you want me to say. It's a stopped up cap tube
drier
which Rheem used 20+ years ago.


TURTLE

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I agree with Turtle, it sounds like a plugged screen prior to the
refrigerant control.
You should have gained access to the evaporator refrigerant control area to
see and feel what is going on.


This is only a wild guess as we have insufficient info to base any finding
on. - udarrell


http://www.udarrell.com/air-conditioning-efficiency-btuhr-evaporator-...


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> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Got a call from fellow, whose central AC isn't keeping the house cool.


>> Rheem system, probably 20 years old. Two ton capacity. I didn't see any
>> filter dryer along the line. Indoor coil might be captube, or orifice. I
>> did
>> have one of the covers off, but didn't see anything that looked like an
>> orifice.


>> Didn't write down the pressures, but they were running maybe 65 and 250.
>> Suction line room temp.


>> I cranked in a couple pounds of juice, and the temp of the suction line
>> didn't change. Suction pressure went up, a bit, though.


>> Next day, not much more cooling. Went back and recovered the charge, and
>> weigh it in. Line set about 50 feet, and still not cooling. The liquid
>> line
>> off the condensor is room temp. Outdoor temp about 85F. The chart he had
>> that came with the unit says to charge to 243# on the liquid side, and it
>> was close to that with a correct charge weight.


>> Anyhow, the distributer tubes from the orifice (or the captubes, if it's
>> a
>> captube coil) remain warm, and the house remains warm.


>> So, what's the diagnosis? And what's the treatment?


>> --


>> Christopher A. Young


> this is Turtle.


> Stormy you just did not give enough info to try to give a good guess at
> it.


> 1] Did you use fresh freon ?


> 2] What was the return and discharge temp of air inside ?


> 3] What was the pressure when you come back the next day ?


> 4] You did not say what type system it was , heat pump, gas heat regular
> cool, or chill water system ?


> 5] After you said you weighted in a the correct charge you did not give
> the suction pressure or say if the suction line was cool. What was the
> pressure after you weighted it in ?


> 6] You did not give the temperature of inside the house during all this
> , What was it ?


> Now with this i could maybe give a guess.


> Now Stormy , here is what you want me to say. It's a stopped up cap tube
> drier which Rheem used 20+ years ago.


> TURTLE


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this is Turtle.


Stormy you just did not give enough info to try to give a good guess at it.


1] Did you use fresh freon ?
CY: No.


2] What was the return and discharge temp of air inside ?
CY: Didn't measure. The suction line at the evaporator was warm, and also
the distributer tubes were warm.


3] What was the pressure when you come back the next day ?
CY: Shoulda took notes.


4] You did not say what type system it was , heat pump, gas heat regular
cool,
or chill water system ?
CY: Sorry. Gas heat, fan forced hot air. With the Rheem split system for
cooling only.


5] After you said you weighted in a the correct charge you did not give
the
suction pressure or say if the suction line was cool. What was the pressure
after you weighted it in ?
CY: Actually, much the same after weighing in a charge. Wish I'd wrote
things down. I remember the suction pressure looked reasonable -- when I
over charged it the first time, the pressure went up from 60 something to 80
something PSI on the suction side. The suction line at the condensing unit
has never been cold since I got there.


6] You did not give the temperature of inside the house during all this ,
What
was it ?
CY: Forgot to check. Sorry.


Now with this i could maybe give a guess.


Now Stormy , here is what you want me to say. It's a stopped up cap tube
drier
which Rheem used 20+ years ago.
CY: Without a filter drier in the liquid line, I was thinking some kind of
restriction in the coil. The distributer tubes (or cap tubes, not sure if
it's a captube or an orifice coil) were warm all through this. So, it seems
to be a problem of some kind in the evaporator. Seems odd that the pressures
would be OK at the condensing unit. However, it's possible that one or two
distributer tubes are clogged, and the other two are flooding. Makes me
wonder if it would cool on a massive under charge? At this point, the plan
of action is to see if he wants to go the expense of changing the
evaporator. Anyhow, I do thank you for your advice and counsell. Sure is
rough to get started in the business without some one to share ideas, and
talk about things.


TURTLE

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> Now with this i could maybe give a guess.

> Now Stormy , here is what you want me to say. It's a stopped up cap tube
> drier
> which Rheem used 20+ years ago.
> CY: Without a filter drier in the liquid line, I was thinking some kind of
> restriction in the coil. The distributer tubes (or cap tubes, not sure if
> it's a captube or an orifice coil) were warm all through this. So, it
seems
> to be a problem of some kind in the evaporator. Seems odd that the
pressures
> would be OK at the condensing unit. However, it's possible that one or two
> distributer tubes are clogged, and the other two are flooding. Makes me
> wonder if it would cool on a massive under charge? At this point, the plan
> of action is to see if he wants to go the expense of changing the
> evaporator. Anyhow, I do thank you for your advice and counsell. Sure is
> rough to get started in the business without some one to share ideas, and
> talk about things.

yes stormy rheem did put a filter drier inside the evaperator coil just
before
the cap tubes split off or out of. the Cap tubeholder is a liquid line
filter
drier and can plug up just like a liquid line filter drier out at the
condenser
unit. And Yes you can over flood the evaperator coil with just 2 of the 4
tubes
open and you will see this with the high head pressure your getting. Here is
the
first place to look here.

TURTLE


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Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
.
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*** You make a claim and then when someone addresses it as to maybe wrong
in
someway. they tell you what is wrong with it and Never see a reply from you
as
to addressing the problem with statement of your own to see about it being
wrong

*** The biggest thing of all is Stormy, You have never ask a question on
how to
do anything,


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> Don't bother to reply to my questions. You just became invisible again.
>

Have faith Chris, I mean, you have an invisible being in your tag line that
you claim to listen to.

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> Christopher A. Young
> Do good work.
> It's longer in the short run
> but shorter in the long run.

Homo


Matt

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Troll or not, No matter.

Dangerous.

Takes money from people to:

swaps in defective, incorrectly sized parts.
'resizes' critical safety devices to 'make them 'fit'.

With respect, you guys should stop trying to find out if he is a troll,
find out if he has any registration/etc in Utah or whereever, and
notify the appropriate people that this man is putting lives in severe
danger.

A hack is one thing.

Somone who resizes circuit breakers is far worse than a hack.

TURTLE

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this is Turtle.

Stormy , You ask a vage question as to a problem , Give Minininal info, Your
Asked for more info, Met with Yes and No replys and not one ''''''' well let me
go back and get that info for you ''''''' .

now another one is asking for the group to Diagnosis of a unit problem of yours
is not call explaining how to do anything ot something. it is a diagnosis and
not how to to do something.

Now Stormy , Take the information given you above and just do it and don't try
to explain your way out of it. if you just start doing what is stated above. The
group will know it and start talking to you. If you keep explain that your right
or think different as to the above. stormy just get ready to be the local troll
boy to bad mouth. Also if you follow the above people here will fill you with
info you never thought about. Keep trolling and they will give you hell.

Join or Be a loaner , your choice.

TURTLE


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I do wish to apologize for not having enough information. Since the time I
wrote, I've bought a laser thermometer, and have a thermocouple on order.
So, I've got a bit more tooling to get more information.

Will call the fellow perhaps tomorrow or Monday, and see if I may come over
and look at the system again. And then, I'll get you some real numbers.

Also been working on the idea of making a form for data for AC diagnosis.
Get all that information organized so I can have it on hand. Thanks for the
ideas, I'll do what I can to get more information for you.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
.
.


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Tekkie®

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I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.

> I do wish to apologize for not having enough information. Since the time I


> wrote, I've bought a laser thermometer, and have a thermocouple on order.
> So, I've got a bit more tooling to get more information.
>
> Will call the fellow perhaps tomorrow or Monday, and see if I may come over
> and look at the system again. And then, I'll get you some real numbers.
>
> Also been working on the idea of making a form for data for AC diagnosis.
> Get all that information organized so I can have it on hand. Thanks for the
> ideas, I'll do what I can to get more information for you.
>
>

I think that "form" is already done; Gary's "Tech Method"
--

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There is NO form that will help Stormy Mormy.


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"Matt" <mattmo...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Troll or not, No matter.
>
> Dangerous.
>
> Takes money from people to:
>
> swaps in defective, incorrectly sized parts.
> 'resizes' critical safety devices to 'make them 'fit'.
>
> With respect, you guys should stop trying to find out if he is a troll,
> find out if he has any registration/etc in Utah or whereever, and
> notify the appropriate people that this man is putting lives in severe
> danger.

HE is in NY, and Sam should have his info now...

Matt

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I dont know who sam is .... but someone need s to shut this guy down.

Its scary.

B-Hate-Me

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"Matt" <mattmo...@msn.com> wrote in message
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>I dont know who sam is .... but someone need s to shut this guy down.
>
> Its scary.

I once believed as you do and pointed it out as often and as
harshly as possible. Now I have come to believe that NO ONE
could be this blatantly stupid.

Now, ex post facto, I believe him to be a clever troll.

Around here (NH) you soon develop a rep just from being in
the supply houses and making connections in the business.

If someone like "Stormy" (or that which he pretends to be) was
living and working here, he would soon be ostracized from the
local HVAC community.

B-


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>I do wish to apologize for not having enough information. Since the time I
> wrote, I've bought a laser thermometer, and have a thermocouple on order.
> So, I've got a bit more tooling to get more information.
>
> Will call the fellow perhaps tomorrow or Monday, and see if I may come
> over
> and look at the system again. And then, I'll get you some real numbers.
>
> Also been working on the idea of making a form for data for AC diagnosis.
> Get all that information organized so I can have it on hand. Thanks for
> the
> ideas, I'll do what I can to get more information for you.

Here's what we need to know~

1) OD temp
2) ID temp
3) Superheat
4) Sub-cool
5) Rated amp draw
6) Recorded amp draw
7) How much dick you suck in an average day

These answers will tell us a LOT


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>>I think that "form" is already done; Gary's "Tech Method"
>
> There is NO form that will help Stormy Mormy.
>

See MY post.........


PrecisionMachinisT

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Aug 13, 2005, 12:07:12 PM8/13/05
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"B-Hate-Me" <BHateMe@home> wrote in message
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> "Matt" <mattmo...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> >I dont know who sam is ....

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/uglydog.asp

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Carolina

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Aug 15, 2005, 1:38:24 AM8/15/05
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On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 01:18:19 -0400, "Carolina Breeze HVAC"
<st...@carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote:

Carolina SLEEZE writes"

>Wrong...wrong..wrong...wait till you get a nice neat looking XR Trane that
>needs a contactor.
>That little square fucker does not wire the way you think it does....
>Also..you just admitted you have no damn clue, nor business working on a
>thing.

Yep sure doesn't wire like "you" think it does, SLEEZE!

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