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From: Arjun Ray <a...@nmds.com.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Apple comments on the W3C's proposal
Date: 17 Oct 2001 00:52:09 -0500
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I wrote:

| If you want to see what people might have been *missing*, see
| 
|  http://www.viola.org/violaIntro.html
| 
| The Aug 94 date only reflects editorial changes of a document that was
| available in Mar 94 when Viola 3.0 was released.  Here is a directory
| of screen dumps - note the earlier date:
| 
| ftp://ftp.cuhk.edu.hk/.1/packages/info-systems/www/viola/screenDumps/
| 
| Yep: collapsible lists, tables, multicolumn layouts, text flow around
| images, scripted applets, you name it.

I didn't make the Mar 94 date up.

 ftp://ftp.xcf.berkeley.edu/pub/ht/projects/viola/README

The file viola940323.tar.gz is bundled inside this:

 ftp://ftp.cuhk.edu.hk/pub/www/unix/viola/viola.tar.gz

Technologically, there has been very little progress, if any at all,
in seven and a half years.  You want to blame Tag Soup?  Go ahead,
it's still alive and kicking.

Just keep the facts and advocacy separate.   (It is advocacy to
"support" the W3C.)