Style Sheets. WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PROBLEMS?
Piro
style sheets. The W3 consortium advises you to use them, Microsoft,
Netscape, Internet books you get in the store, online web authoring
refrences like CNET. etc. And I must admit, on paper they seem very
practical. But why are there so many problems? Most of the browsers
I have used lately do an awful job of supporting style sheets.
Netscape's 4.08 browser does it terribly, which is a major
disappointment since they just released the 4.08 browser a few months
ago (I was kinda hoping they would get their act together). IE is
better than Netscape, but not much.
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PROBLEMS?? Why don't these browser developers
try to get it right before they release these new browsers? If style
sheets are the way to go as far as web designing, you think they would
invest more time in trying to perfect this feature before releasing
their product.
I'm new to style sheets, and I find it frustrating to learn because
there are so many unsupported CSS1 features and bugs. I tried
learning CSS a year ago, but I ran into the same problems then that
I'm running into now. I saw no reason why I should use them then.
It's now a year later, and I thought things would be different, but
they're the same.
I don't understand why it is so hard to support this feature!
David Piro
pi...@primenet.com
PS: (1) Which browser is better for supporting Style Sheets?
(2) Are there any comprehensive websites which list the bugs
and unsupported features in different web browsers?
Jose
>WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PROBLEMS??
It's very simple NN4 doesn't not truly all of CSS1 or HTML4 standards..
Eirik S. Lund
Piro skrev i meldingen <36c504dc...@news.primenet.com>...
>
>PS: (1) Which browser is better for supporting Style Sheets?
> (2) Are there any comprehensive websites which list the bugs
> and unsupported features in different web browsers?
look at The safe list, The master list and The danger list:
http://webreview.com/wr/pub/guides/style/style.html
and
CSS Bugs and Workarounds
http://www.css.nu/pointers/bugs.html
Eirik
Scott Brady
Piro wrote:
>
> There's this big push by the Internet community to get you to use
> style sheets. The W3 consortium advises you to use them, Microsoft,
> Netscape, Internet books you get in the store, online web authoring
> refrences like CNET. etc. And I must admit, on paper they seem very
> practical.
Your observations are correct; don't loose hope just yet..
> But why are there so many problems? Most of the browsers
> I have used lately do an awful job of supporting style sheets.
You just answered your own question.
The "big two" have shown repeated inconsistent support for the
latest W3C standards in HTML; when CSS was introduced they
continued that tradition. But, fortunately, responding to
increasing cries from the web authoring community and advocacy
groups such as WASP <url: http://www.webstandards.org/ >, there
has been a change in direction from them.
Netscape has promised full support for many of the latest
standards in it's new Gecko (NGLayout) rendering engine. Even
still, Microsoft is remaining defiant. They have clearly stated
that they will only support 90% or the standards for fear of
"problems with backwards-accessibility". Bull. If they hadn't
screwed up prior implementations of HTML and CSS that wouldn't be
an issue.
> Netscape's 4.08 browser does it terribly, which is a major
> disappointment since they just released the 4.08 browser a few months
> ago (I was kinda hoping they would get their act together).
Look for better support in 5.x to be released later this year...
> IE is
> better than Netscape, but not much.
Agreed.
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> PS: (1) Which browser is better for supporting Style Sheets?
Opera has made an attempt but failed thus far.
> (2) Are there any comprehensive websites which list the bugs
> and unsupported features in different web browsers?
As far as CSS goes, try the following...
http://webreview.com/wr/pub/guides/style/style.html
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will always remain more compatible, but there will never be an international
standard. we will always have headaches.
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Mercurius
annoying, to say the least. Seeing as how one person has already started
this lately, I won't post a new message and go on with this.
After changing to CSS a little while ago, IE4 and NN didn't do the same
things, but only minor things. Then later, it was bigger things, things that
really made me puzzled, and strangely, they only happen in Netscape.
1.) If I stack images side by side, no tables, just in a normal way, it
looks fine in IE4, and in NN WITHOUT style sheets. but when I add my sheets,
Netscape decided it was fun to stack the images on top of one another. This
not only annoys me, I don't know why it is doing it!
2.) Designing a contents table for my main page, it has three columns, a row
for headers, then a row for descriptions, and it repeats. I add al my text
and links, using normal table commands, and NN then decides to completely
reformat my page style. (I use the side bar background trick, and NN
completely resizes that table!)
3.) IE4 not without it's flaws, I put one <br> tag in, and IE4 doesn't do
anything, no movement, and when I put another in, (<br><br> now), IE4 line
breaks, but NN has already done two line breaks!
4.) NN doesn't seem to recognise the <div> tag. I set it in my style sheets
so it makes everything centred, but Netscape doesn't like that, so it
ignores it and makes everything left aligned.
I could list a whole lot more, but does anyone know why Netscape does these
things? And how to stop them? I'm tearing my hair out almost, and seriously
considering putting a JavaScript on my page, sending IE4 users to my CSS
pages, and Netscape users to a different page, its that bad. Well I've
calmed down a little now, and I hope you understand my problems. Any help is
appreciated, cya! ^.^
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Piro wrote in message <36c504dc...@news.primenet.com>...
>There's this big push by the Internet community to get you to use
>style sheets. The W3 consortium advises you to use them, Microsoft,
>Netscape, Internet books you get in the store, online web authoring
>refrences like CNET. etc. And I must admit, on paper they seem very
>practical. But why are there so many problems? Most of the browsers
>I have used lately do an awful job of supporting style sheets.
>Netscape's 4.08 browser does it terribly, which is a major
>disappointment since they just released the 4.08 browser a few months
>ago (I was kinda hoping they would get their act together). IE is
>better than Netscape, but not much.
>
>WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PROBLEMS?? Why don't these browser developers
>try to get it right before they release these new browsers? If style
>sheets are the way to go as far as web designing, you think they would
>invest more time in trying to perfect this feature before releasing
>their product.
>
>I'm new to style sheets, and I find it frustrating to learn because
>there are so many unsupported CSS1 features and bugs. I tried
>learning CSS a year ago, but I ran into the same problems then that
>I'm running into now. I saw no reason why I should use them then.
>It's now a year later, and I thought things would be different, but
>they're the same.
>
>I don't understand why it is so hard to support this feature!
>
>
>David Piro
>pi...@primenet.com
>
>PS: (1) Which browser is better for supporting Style Sheets?