problem with code - and code wariors
thedarkman
For me, HTML is a means to an end, not an end in itself; I don't even
know what the acronym CCS means. You will notice my website has been
around for over ten years. I have achieved that longevity with my
ignorance of code; my main concern is to expose the ignorance of
others in fields where it means something. HTML is not one of those
fields. For me.
I didn't notice I was using Firefox at the time, and indeed it renders
OK in IE.
But, I took the code for Lady Godiva, copied and pasted it to the
limerick below, and altered the words Lady Godiva to Mork The Po-Lack.
And I am still seeing black all the way down with no red titles.
Obviously while you are capable of picking out hundreds of errors on
my page you are incapable - all of you - for providing me with one
tiny piece of code that will achieve the effect I want - red in titles
all the way down in Firefox.
I should have known better than to ask.
Have a nice day.
DLU
You seem to have missed the information everyone was trying to give you.
The code on the page is so mucked up, that it is almost unreadable.
Picking out the one flaw you want to correct, actually requires a basic
overhaul of your page. They ran it through the HTMl verifier and it is
full of junk that is not necessary.
If you do not know what CSS is, and you want to run a website, then you
need to do some work on it. You come here asking people who do spend
time and knowledge to help people, and you take it as an insult. You
want free information and then complain about it, so maybe you can go
pay someone instead.
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Jukka K. Korpela
> Thank you for both your attention and your non-assistance.
Thank you for your visit to alt.html and especially for leaving it, which
seems to be what you are declaring.
> Obviously while you are capable of picking out hundreds of errors on
> my page you are incapable - all of you - for providing me with one
> tiny piece of code that will achieve the effect I want - red in titles
> all the way down in Firefox.
You have apparently then missed my advice. You didn't even need to know what
"CSS" means to implement it. It is true that people criticized your page
partly on wrong grounds (they did not actually look at its HTML markup but
at something else). It is also true that your markup is grossly malformed
and it is mostly a miracle that the page did not fail fatally earlier.
On the other hand, a fairly simple change would have removed the worst
problem. You have the right to ignore all good and bad advice that seems to
exceed your expected trouble of solving your problem.
The only suggestion I've left now is that you throw yourself on the floor
and scream how unjust alt.html and the world are.
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Irina Rempt
> I don't even
> know what the acronym CCS means.
I don't know either; I do know that CSS means "Cascading Style Sheets"/
Sheesh, being stupid is not something to take pride in.
Irina
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thedarkman
Stupid doesn't come into it. The word you should use is ignorant. I am
ignorant of CCS. I am also ignorant of Swahili, and of how to remove
gallstones from the kidney of a camel. I have no interest in any of
these, including CCS.
My webpages begin life as Wordstar 6, Notepad and occasionally as Word
files. Most of the time I do all the coding manually including copy
and paste. This has been good enough for over ten years.
The code is far from complex, it is extremely simple if at times
repetitous, particularly for that page.
And I still cannot see one reason why the Red colour should change
there, and only in Firefox.
Jukka K. Korpela
> Stupid doesn't come into it. The word you should use is ignorant.
Errare humanum est, diabolicum in errore perseverare.
> And I still cannot see one reason why the Red colour should change
> there, and only in Firefox.
You throw grossly malformed data at a browser and you wonder why it does not
do what you expect? That's common. What's peculiar here is that you refuse
to learn anything about HTML, yet keep posting to alt.html.
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Sherm Pendley
> My webpages begin life as Wordstar 6, Notepad and occasionally as Word
> files. Most of the time I do all the coding manually including copy
> and paste. This has been good enough for over ten years.
The fact that you were ignorant of the many errors does not mean that
they weren't there. You got lucky until now, and browsers were forgiving
enough to "do what you meant" even with erroroneous markup.
Unfortunately for you, your luck has run out.
> The code is far from complex, it is extremely simple
If it's so simple, why can't you get it right?
> And I still cannot see one reason why the Red colour should change
> there, and only in Firefox.
It changes because of the errors in your HTML. The fact that another
browser happens to handle those errors differently doesn't mean that
the errors aren't there.
sherm--
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idle
That's because there's more than one reason. Actually, there's hundreds ;)
http://www.box.net/shared/6g75q6g26g
That's cleaned up. And by cleaned up, i don't mean really cleaned up, just fixed up enough to get you by and fix the h1 prob
you got and cleaned out 17,000 redundant tags.
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Raymond Schmit
>On 9/13/2010 09:13, thedarkman wrote:
>> Thank you for both your attention and your non-assistance.
>>
>> For me, HTML is a means to an end, not an end in itself; I don't even
>> know what the acronym CCS means. You will notice my website has been
>> around for over ten years. I have achieved that longevity with my
>> ignorance of code; my main concern is to expose the ignorance of
>> others in fields where it means something. HTML is not one of those
>> fields. For me.
>>
>> I didn't notice I was using Firefox at the time, and indeed it renders
>> OK in IE.
>>
>> But, I took the code for Lady Godiva, copied and pasted it to the
>> limerick below, and altered the words Lady Godiva to Mork The Po-Lack.
>> And I am still seeing black all the way down with no red titles.
>>
>> Obviously while you are capable of picking out hundreds of errors on
>> my page you are incapable - all of you - for providing me with one
>> tiny piece of code that will achieve the effect I want - red in titles
>> all the way down in Firefox.
>>
>> I should have known better than to ask.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>
>You seem to have missed the information everyone was trying to give you.
> The code on the page is so mucked up, that it is almost unreadable.
False the source is perfectly readable ... I did not look a the source
but at the source your browser have modified.
The only problem is because he doesnot close some tags
A good reading could be:
http://www.web-source.net/html_codes_chart.htm
andrew
> Stupid doesn't come into it. The word you should use is ignorant. I am
> ignorant of CCS. I am also ignorant of Swahili, and of how to remove
> gallstones from the kidney of a camel. I have no interest in any of
> these, including CCS.
Strictly speaking gallstones will form in the gallbladder or the bile
duct not in the kidney :).
Andrew
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rf
"thedarkman" <A_B...@ABaron.Demon.Co.UK> wrote in message
news:91fc5644-3c82-4e88...@g18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
Fairly typical quoting style for a bloody google grouper.
> Obviously while you are capable of picking out hundreds of errors on
> my page you are incapable - all of you - for providing me with one
> tiny piece of code that will achieve the effect I want - red in titles
> all the way down in Firefox.
We did. Several times.
> I should have known better than to ask.
Thankyou for being in ungrateful bastard.
Don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out.
Denis McMahon
> "thedarkman" <A_B...@ABaron.Demon.Co.UK> wrote in message
> news:91fc5644-3c82-4e88...@g18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
> Fairly typical quoting style for a bloody google grouper.
>
>> Obviously while you are capable of picking out hundreds of errors on
>> my page you are incapable - all of you - for providing me with one
>> tiny piece of code that will achieve the effect I want - red in titles
>> all the way down in Firefox.
>
> We did. Several times.
open fonts: 107; open bolds: 45; total: 152
That's how many unclosed <b> and <font> elements there are at the line
in question. I imagine that some internal stack in firefox falls over as
a result of either or both or the combination of those values.
Rgds
Denis McMahon
Sid
Hehehe. Relax, my friend.
:)
Sid
Norman Peelman
The main problem is your method isn't generating proper html so the
browser is trying to forge a lot of it and stumbling.
Here's an example:
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
charset=ISO-8859-1"><title>LIMERICKS BY ALEXANDER BARON</title></head><body>
<style type="text/css">
body
{
background-color: white;
color: black;
text-align: center;
}
h1, .title
{
color: red;
}
.title
{
font-style: oblique;
margin-top: 2em;
}
.limerick
{
color: black;
font-weight: bold;
}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<h1>
LIMERICKS
<br>
BY ALEXANDER BARON
</h1>
<p>
[This collection includes non-standard limericks: extended limericks
and limerick poems, etc].
</p>
<h1 class="title">
A Limerick For Everybody's Favourite Double Child Killer
</h1>
<p class="limerick">
There once was a nonce name of <a
href="http://www.infotextmanuscripts.org/marshall-images.html">Hunt-Ley</a>
<br>
who said "I'm sure that knife is blunt",
<br>
But alas, it was not,
<br>
Now a scarred face he's got
<br>
In Frankland gaol, the murdering cunt.
</p>
<h1 class="title">
A Nice Pair
</h1>
<p class="limerick">
There was once a young lady named Sam
<br>
Who said: Brainless you may think I am,
<br>
Just because I undress
<br>
For the popular press,
<br>
But I'm making a mint,
<br>
(Not bad for a dumb bint),
<br>
So I really could not give a damn.
</p>
</body>
</html>
..just cut and paste your content according to the above examples. The
CSS is in the <style> tag and it tells the browser how to show your content.
--
Norman
Registered Linux user #461062
Denis McMahon
Took me 90 minutes with awk, tidy and the unicorn to fix his mess, if he
cares to paypal me GBP 50.00 he can have the working, validated 4.01
strict, html.
But is there any point? He'll probably break it as soon as he adds his
next edit.
'twas an interesting exercise in fixing broken html though.
Rgds
Denis McMahon
Mike Duffy
news:Oyujo.22148$136....@uutiset.elisa.fi:
> ... What's peculiar here is that you refuse to learn
> anything about HTML, yet keep posting to alt.html.
>
It is not a choice between learning nothing about HTML and learning
everything about HTML.
He is simply content to spend the minimum amout of time possible to
achieve results he considers acceptable. After that, he feels he has
passed the "point of diminishing returns".
I feel the same way about HTML, Javascript, Web Standards, and many
similar branches of the art of website design. I am not a professional;
thus I feel no moral obligation to my employer to learn extra material
just in order to be better prepared for my next assignment. My website
(see signature block) is just for fun.
That being said, I tend to agree with your (unstated) assertion that
his level of effort at understanding HTML is much too low for anyone to
spend a lot of time helping him fix a problem which could probably be
resolved just by running it through an HTML verifier.
William Gill
> It is not a choice between learning nothing about HTML and learning
> everything about HTML.
>
> He is simply content to spend the minimum amout of time possible to
> achieve results he considers acceptable. After that, he feels he has
> passed the "point of diminishing returns".
>
> I feel the same way about HTML, Javascript, Web Standards, and many
> similar branches of the art of website design. I am not a professional;
> thus I feel no moral obligation to my employer to learn extra material
> just in order to be better prepared for my next assignment. My website
> (see signature block) is just for fun.
>
> That being said, I tend to agree with your (unstated) assertion that
> his level of effort at understanding HTML is much too low for anyone to
> spend a lot of time helping him fix a problem which could probably be
> resolved just by running it through an HTML verifier.
>
Do you think he would attempt to publish a limerick in Swahili without
attempting to garner at least modicum of understanding?
As for "diminishing returns" why would anyone hand code, as he says he
does, HTML without understanding any of its most basic structure (i.e.
when and what require closing, block vs inline, what can contain what,
and so on)? I would venture to guess that almost any WYSIWYG editor
would provide a greater return on a lesser investment. After all, as
you state, he isn't interested in "good" markup, only "acceptable" pages.
I tend to agree with your (unstated) assertion that "HTML, Javascript,
Web Standards, and many similar branches of the art of website design",
are not the objective of work (actually the unstated assertion seems to
be directed at those who do seem to think "the art" is the objective.)
Though on the one hand, I sometimes chuckle when I see the debates over
"professional HTML", on the other I realize that as a painter I may
never have anything displayed in the Louvre, or even qualify to paint my
neighbor's wall, but I do know how to use a drop-cloth and masking tape
when I do my own ("just for fun").
Reminds me of what someone once said about the guitar. It is easy to
play, poorly. I wonder if there is an HTML equivalent to air-guitar?
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> Reminds me of what someone once said about the guitar. It is easy to
> play, poorly. I wonder if there is an HTML equivalent to air-guitar?
There once was a web site that came from afar;
Its coding was comparable to an air guitar.
The darkman said with a twang,
Of this, I can't get the hang;
And most of the limericks were far below par!
--
-bts
-If you can't learn to do it well, learn to enjoy doing it badly
dorayme
Mike Duffy <res...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Running through an "HTML verifier" is setting the bar a bit too
low. It would be better to learn nothing about HTML and use a
page building facility that allows you to know nothing.
Validation is only one of the probably wise necessary conditions
for a reasonably acceptable job, there are many many others. If
you are wanting more than basic style, and few folk don't, very
basic CSS is another requirement.
Another one, if any images are to be used, is a basic
understanding of how to prepare images, e.g. how to prepare GIFs
and other types of image so they don't look jagged when placed on
the page.
--
dorayme
Mike Duffy
news:i6r0gn$dlp$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> William Gill wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of what someone once said about the guitar. It is
>> easy to play, poorly. I wonder if there is an HTML equivalent to
>> air-guitar?
>
> There once was a web site that came from afar;
> Its coding was comparable to an air guitar.
> The darkman said with a twang,
> Of this, I can't get the hang;
> And most of the limericks were far below par!
>
There once was a web site encoded,
With methods that soon were outmoded.
The author it seems,
Had simplistic dreams.
To avoid the hard work he forboded.
Neredbojias
There once was a man from the dark
Who made a web site as a lark.
But when a fell error
Appeared to his terror,
He simply did mewl, whine, and snark.
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Mike Duffy
news:Xns9DF4ADBC935A...@78.46.73.112:
> There once was a man from the dark
> Who made a web site as a lark.
> But when a fell error
> Appeared to his terror,
> He simply did mewl, whine, and snark.
The problem with standards and rules,
Is not their exposure in schools.
It's lack of their practice,
By those who have wracked us,
With markup code written by fools.
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Ed Mullen
> Neredbojias<nered...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9DF4ADBC935A...@78.46.73.112:
>
>> There once was a man from the dark
>> Who made a web site as a lark.
>> But when a fell error
>> Appeared to his terror,
>> He simply did mewl, whine, and snark.
>
>
> The problem with standards and rules,
> Is not their exposure in schools.
> It's lack of their practice,
> By those who have wracked us,
> With markup code written by fools.
This treatise is headed toward truth
Perhaps a Doctor named Ruth
But far and a way I think I must say
It's silly beyond the phone booth
Mayhaps there's a tidbit of truth
In my rhyme of silly forsooth
Of HTML and heaven and hell
I care not a whit for forsooth
Ok, I haven't even had drink yet ... this is not good!
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If the world was a logical place, men would ride horses side-saddle.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> Ok, I haven't even had drink yet ... this is not good!
Four line limericks? No, that is not good! Get that drink!
--
-bts
-Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
Neredbojias
> Neredbojias <nered...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9DF4ADBC935A...@78.46.73.112:
>
>> There once was a man from the dark
>> Who made a web site as a lark.
>> But when a fell error
>> Appeared to his terror,
>> He simply did mewl, whine, and snark.
>
>
> The problem with standards and rules,
> Is not their exposure in schools.
> It's lack of their practice,
> By those who have wracked us,
> With markup code written by fools.
Indeed, I believe you did crack it:
There's knowledge and people who lack it.
A man who would wrack us
Or otherwise jack us
Should best just go somewhere and whack it.
Ed Jay
There lives a kook named dark,
With sloppy coding did embark,
When he got into trouble,
He climbed in a bubble,
And took us all for a lark.
The lesson of the day,
Though thought previously learned,
If helping is your goal,
Then, don't feed the troll!
Snark snark (Doesn't rhyme, but I needed a fifth line.)
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freemont
I click'd alt dot html,
And couldn't believe-a the smell
Of all these bad lim-ricks,
That reek of old fish dicks
That sour'd in the arse of a whale.
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Neredbojias
Oh, look who's talkin'! Html-smell-whale... Uh, not quite bright
sprite.