> Anyone who makes films is insane.

> Poor Matt Foley how he suffered as Albert Wilmarth. If asked him how he
> did what he did. He would just say it was acting. The way his facial
> expression said a hundred words is completely beyond me.
> How he survived filming and did not die from hypothermia is a mystery.

> Barry Lynch brilliant acting but he did not suffer enough Henry Alkeley

> Daniel Kaemon as P. F. Noyes. perfectly played.

> Matt Lagan as Nathaniel Ward (What chilling performance).

> Autumn Wendel as Hannah Masterson - try and fault that performance.

> We will see more of Autumn I hope.

> Poor Matt Foley how he suffered as Albert Wilmarth.  If asked him how he
> did what he did.  He would just say it was acting.  The way his facial
> expression said a hundred words is completely beyond me.
> How he survived filming and did not die from hypothermia is a mystery.

>Anyone who makes films is insane.

>Poor Matt Foley how he suffered as Albert Wilmarth.  If asked him how he
>did what he did.  He would just say it was acting.  The way his facial
>expression said a hundred words is completely beyond me.
>How he survived filming and did not die from hypothermia is a mystery.

>Barry Lynch brilliant acting but he did not suffer enough Henry Alkeley

>Daniel Kaemon  as P. F. Noyes.  perfectly played.

>Matt Lagan as Nathaniel Ward (What chilling performance).

>Autumn Wendel as Hannah Masterson - try and fault that performance.

>We will see more of Autumn I hope.

>>Anyone who makes films is insane.

>>Poor Matt Foley how he suffered as Albert Wilmarth.  If asked him how he
>>did what he did.  He would just say it was acting.  The way his facial
>>expression said a hundred words is completely beyond me.
>>How he survived filming and did not die from hypothermia is a mystery.

>>Barry Lynch brilliant acting but he did not suffer enough Henry Alkeley

>>Daniel Kaemon  as P. F. Noyes.  perfectly played.

>>Matt Lagan as Nathaniel Ward (What chilling performance).

>>Autumn Wendel as Hannah Masterson - try and fault that performance.

>>We will see more of Autumn I hope.

>Ok I am about to watch this movie, within the next day or two.  I will
>post my opinion which will be firstmost and foremost, objective.

>thang

> Firstly, it failed to sustain my interest.

> I thought the best talent in the entire dribble was the supremely
> confident University colleague (the chain smoker) who handled things
> with such aplomb at the outset.

> A bomb in my view.

> Probably the best horror movie I have seen in antiquarian style was
> the BBC production of "Whistle and I'll Come".  Cheap special effects
> and terrible chills - producers and directors of movies such as the
> one just reviewed should place this on their must view list, before
> setting out to insult audiences.

>On 10/02/12 08:51, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>> Watched it.  Nice crisp B&W and some very good cinematography (decent
>> angles etc), however...

>> Firstly, it failed to sustain my interest.

>Ok one hand they get criticised for not following the the original
>story.  Now you criticised them for doing just that,  Films need a big
>bang at the beginning and a much bigger one at the end.

>> the laughable chirping noises made by Alkely

>Read the original story.  Akeley Is misspelt (two ees) in typed letter
>is the first give that something is wrong.  To me if I hand never heard
>Henry Akeley I would have thought his strange speech was part of his
>Asthma.

>  and the disembodied
>I found it boring after
>> holographic head(s).

>The HPLS want to make film as if it was made  in the  1930s, with the
>art Deco machines that we would expect in those years.  Yes such an
>advanced race should have had HD TVs.  They were trying for something
>different.  If this film was shown in the 1930s viewers would have run
>from the cinema screaming.

>   Suggested horror is good, but shadow lobsters is
>> bad.

>Read the original text this is all Wilmarth did not see shadows or live
>Mi-Go, he just heard their foot falls and conversation.  Not very good
>for a film,  but we see them completely in the film.  Shadow lobsters is
>only hint of what we are to see next.  The full Mi-Go

>  The little girl needs some acting lessons

>This is very low blow. As far as I am concerned.  I thought her
>performance was faultless.   Many high points but the look on face when
>one of the Mi-Go followed Wilmarth into the barn is the winner for me.

>and the chinless
>> hillbilly should not have been in the movie.

>I assume you are talking about Will Masterston (Caspar Marsh) what was
>wrong with that performance?  Somebody who thought they were helping
>some alien race in mining operation with a bit of money, then finds he
>in neck deep in a conspiracy.  He does paranoia perfectly,

>He has the best lines in the film.

>"Not much of a day for hunting, is it?" - Wilmarth
>"Depends what you're hunting for"

>"Mankind is done! they are what is next!!"

>"No. You are wrong"  Wilmarth.

>"Wrong? Wrong?  Have you seen one up close?
>"They can put thoughts right into your head."
>"We're no match for them."

>That is the way people behave when they scared witless.

>Please tell me what was wrong with the delivery of those lines?

>> I thought the best talent in the entire dribble was the supremely
>> confident University colleague (the chain smoker) who handled things
>> with such aplomb at the outset.

>Give me a break he did a got job as a bit part, but did he play anything
>other than a spoilt brat?  There was no arc in his character?
>He did what he did well, but he was a bit part.

>> A bomb in my view.

>> Probably the best horror movie I have seen in antiquarian style was
>> the BBC production of "Whistle and I'll Come".  Cheap special effects
>> and terrible chills - producers and directors of movies such as the
>> one just reviewed should place this on their must view list, before
>> setting out to insult audiences.

>Probably had 100x the budget and full time FX people sitting around
>floor waiting for something to do.

>I think you will like Die Farbe better

>> SPOILER ALERT IF YOU INTEND ON SEEING THIS FILM GIVE THIS A MISS.
>> _________________________________________________________________

>> On 10/02/12 08:51, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>>> Watched it.  Nice crisp B&W and some very good cinematography (decent
>>> angles etc), however...

>>> Firstly, it failed to sustain my interest.

>> Ok one hand they get criticised for not following the the original
>> story.  Now you criticised them for doing just that,  Films need a big
>> bang at the beginning and a much bigger one at the end.

>>> the laughable chirping noises made by Alkely

>> Read the original story.  Akeley Is misspelt (two ees) in typed letter
>> is the first give that something is wrong.  To me if I hand never heard
>> Henry Akeley I would have thought his strange speech was part of his
>> Asthma.

>>   and the disembodied
>> I found it boring after
>>> holographic head(s).

>> The HPLS want to make film as if it was made  in the  1930s, with the
>> art Deco machines that we would expect in those years.  Yes such an
>> advanced race should have had HD TVs.  They were trying for something
>> different.  If this film was shown in the 1930s viewers would have run
>>from the cinema screaming.

>>    Suggested horror is good, but shadow lobsters is
>>> bad.

>> Read the original text this is all Wilmarth did not see shadows or live
>> Mi-Go, he just heard their foot falls and conversation.  Not very good
>> for a film,  but we see them completely in the film.  Shadow lobsters is
>> only hint of what we are to see next.  The full Mi-Go

>>   The little girl needs some acting lessons

>> This is very low blow. As far as I am concerned.  I thought her
>> performance was faultless.   Many high points but the look on face when
>> one of the Mi-Go followed Wilmarth into the barn is the winner for me.

>> and the chinless
>>> hillbilly should not have been in the movie.

>> I assume you are talking about Will Masterston (Caspar Marsh) what was
>> wrong with that performance?  Somebody who thought they were helping
>> some alien race in mining operation with a bit of money, then finds he
>> in neck deep in a conspiracy.  He does paranoia perfectly,

>> He has the best lines in the film.

>> "Not much of a day for hunting, is it?" - Wilmarth
>> "Depends what you're hunting for"

>> "Mankind is done! they are what is next!!"

>> "No. You are wrong"  Wilmarth.

>> "Wrong? Wrong?  Have you seen one up close?
>> "They can put thoughts right into your head."
>> "We're no match for them."

>> That is the way people behave when they scared witless.

>> Please tell me what was wrong with the delivery of those lines?

>>> I thought the best talent in the entire dribble was the supremely
>>> confident University colleague (the chain smoker) who handled things
>>> with such aplomb at the outset.

>> Give me a break he did a got job as a bit part, but did he play anything
>> other than a spoilt brat?  There was no arc in his character?
>> He did what he did well, but he was a bit part.

>>> A bomb in my view.

>>> Probably the best horror movie I have seen in antiquarian style was
>>> the BBC production of "Whistle and I'll Come".  Cheap special effects
>>> and terrible chills - producers and directors of movies such as the
>>> one just reviewed should place this on their must view list, before
>>> setting out to insult audiences.

>> Probably had 100x the budget and full time FX people sitting around
>> floor waiting for something to do.

>> I think you will like Die Farbe better

> I did not like this movie.  I am a long standing fan of HPL, but like
> all things, one grows up and leaves childhood things behind.  HPL was
> a childhood thing with me, I was reading him (Arkham Press, red
> covers, nice paper...) back in the late 1960's and to a kid like I
> was, in a town which had a library called "The School of Arts"
> populated by first editions of The Book of Dzyan and all that, my mind
> was wide open to things flopping in the dark, Plateaus of Leng, etc
> etc.

> We grow up, don't we.

> I used to read Harlan Ellison and thought he was the bee's knees, but
> I don't any more.  I liked Hendrix, Fillmore East, loud, driving
> music, but not any more.

> Same with HPL.

> Now, if he could be delivered in a different way, like Stross in A
> Colder War, for instance, then we could say that HPL has surpassed
> death and grown up.  Kept up, even.

> My opinion above is honest and the way I felt when I watched it.  I
> switched off at about 3/4 of the way because is was just too boring.
> Why on earth deliver a movie just like the story, without any artistic
> changes or subtle dimensions?  Plain boring.

> HPL, in order to survive in this photonic age, needs to be transmuted
> by an expert. Shea is one, Stross another, but their interests are
> elsewhere and their HPL visions are just tangential to the general
> body of their work.   "Fat Face" would make an excellent horror story,
> and so would "A Colder War" - much more promise than this movie.

> I'm sorry if you don't agree.

>>> SPOILER ALERT IF YOU INTEND ON SEEING THIS FILM GIVE THIS A MISS.
>>> _________________________________________________________________

>>> On 10/02/12 08:51, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>>>> Watched it.  Nice crisp B&W and some very good cinematography (decent
>>>> angles etc), however...

>>>> Firstly, it failed to sustain my interest.

>>> Ok one hand they get criticised for not following the the original
>>> story.  Now you criticised them for doing just that,  Films need a big
>>> bang at the beginning and a much bigger one at the end.

>>>> the laughable chirping noises made by Alkely

>>> Read the original story.  Akeley Is misspelt (two ees) in typed letter
>>> is the first give that something is wrong.  To me if I hand never heard
>>> Henry Akeley I would have thought his strange speech was part of his
>>> Asthma.

>>>   and the disembodied
>>> I found it boring after
>>>> holographic head(s).

>>> The HPLS want to make film as if it was made  in the  1930s, with the
>>> art Deco machines that we would expect in those years.  Yes such an
>>> advanced race should have had HD TVs.  They were trying for something
>>> different.  If this film was shown in the 1930s viewers would have run
>>>from the cinema screaming.

>>>    Suggested horror is good, but shadow lobsters is
>>>> bad.

>>> Read the original text this is all Wilmarth did not see shadows or live
>>> Mi-Go, he just heard their foot falls and conversation.  Not very good
>>> for a film,  but we see them completely in the film.  Shadow lobsters is
>>> only hint of what we are to see next.  The full Mi-Go

>>>   The little girl needs some acting lessons

>>> This is very low blow. As far as I am concerned.  I thought her
>>> performance was faultless.   Many high points but the look on face when
>>> one of the Mi-Go followed Wilmarth into the barn is the winner for me.

>>> and the chinless
>>>> hillbilly should not have been in the movie.

>>> I assume you are talking about Will Masterston (Caspar Marsh) what was
>>> wrong with that performance?  Somebody who thought they were helping
>>> some alien race in mining operation with a bit of money, then finds he
>>> in neck deep in a conspiracy.  He does paranoia perfectly,

>>> He has the best lines in the film.

>>> "Not much of a day for hunting, is it?" - Wilmarth
>>> "Depends what you're hunting for"

>>> "Mankind is done! they are what is next!!"

>>> "No. You are wrong"  Wilmarth.

>>> "Wrong? Wrong?  Have you seen one up close?
>>> "They can put thoughts right into your head."
>>> "We're no match for them."

>>> That is the way people behave when they scared witless.

>>> Please tell me what was wrong with the delivery of those lines?

>>>> I thought the best talent in the entire dribble was the supremely
>>>> confident University colleague (the chain smoker) who handled things
>>>> with such aplomb at the outset.

>>> Give me a break he did a got job as a bit part, but did he play anything
>>> other than a spoilt brat?  There was no arc in his character?
>>> He did what he did well, but he was a bit part.

>>>> A bomb in my view.

>>>> Probably the best horror movie I have seen in antiquarian style was
>>>> the BBC production of "Whistle and I'll Come".  Cheap special effects
>>>> and terrible chills - producers and directors of movies such as the
>>>> one just reviewed should place this on their must view list, before
>>>> setting out to insult audiences.

>>> Probably had 100x the budget and full time FX people sitting around
>>> floor waiting for something to do.

>>> I think you will like Die Farbe better

>> I did not like this movie.  I am a long standing fan of HPL, but like
>> all things, one grows up and leaves childhood things behind.  HPL was
>> a childhood thing with me, I was reading him (Arkham Press, red
>> covers, nice paper...) back in the late 1960's and to a kid like I
>> was, in a town which had a library called "The School of Arts"
>> populated by first editions of The Book of Dzyan and all that, my mind
>> was wide open to things flopping in the dark, Plateaus of Leng, etc
>> etc.

>> We grow up, don't we.

>> I used to read Harlan Ellison and thought he was the bee's knees, but
>> I don't any more.  I liked Hendrix, Fillmore East, loud, driving
>> music, but not any more.

>> Same with HPL.

>> Now, if he could be delivered in a different way, like Stross in A
>> Colder War, for instance, then we could say that HPL has surpassed
>> death and grown up.  Kept up, even.

>> My opinion above is honest and the way I felt when I watched it.  I
>> switched off at about 3/4 of the way because is was just too boring.
>> Why on earth deliver a movie just like the story, without any artistic
>> changes or subtle dimensions?  Plain boring.

>> HPL, in order to survive in this photonic age, needs to be transmuted
>> by an expert. Shea is one, Stross another, but their interests are
>> elsewhere and their HPL visions are just tangential to the general
>> body of their work.   "Fat Face" would make an excellent horror story,
>> and so would "A Colder War" - much more promise than this movie.

>> I'm sorry if you don't agree.

>So, if you've left Lovecraft behind, why do you read a newsgroup devoted
>to his works?

>> thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:07:58 +1100, avid fan<m...@privacy.net>   wrote:

>>>> SPOILER ALERT IF YOU INTEND ON SEEING THIS FILM GIVE THIS A MISS.
>>>> _________________________________________________________________

>>>> On 10/02/12 08:51, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>>>>> Watched it.  Nice crisp B&W and some very good cinematography (decent
>>>>> angles etc), however...

>>>>> Firstly, it failed to sustain my interest.

>>>> Ok one hand they get criticised for not following the the original
>>>> story.  Now you criticised them for doing just that,  Films need a big
>>>> bang at the beginning and a much bigger one at the end.

>>>>> the laughable chirping noises made by Alkely

>>>> Read the original story.  Akeley Is misspelt (two ees) in typed letter
>>>> is the first give that something is wrong.  To me if I hand never heard
>>>> Henry Akeley I would have thought his strange speech was part of his
>>>> Asthma.

>>>>    and the disembodied
>>>> I found it boring after
>>>>> holographic head(s).

>>>> The HPLS want to make film as if it was made  in the  1930s, with the
>>>> art Deco machines that we would expect in those years.  Yes such an
>>>> advanced race should have had HD TVs.  They were trying for something
>>>> different.  If this film was shown in the 1930s viewers would have run
>>> >from the cinema screaming.

>>>>     Suggested horror is good, but shadow lobsters is
>>>>> bad.

>>>> Read the original text this is all Wilmarth did not see shadows or live
>>>> Mi-Go, he just heard their foot falls and conversation.  Not very good
>>>> for a film,  but we see them completely in the film.  Shadow lobsters is
>>>> only hint of what we are to see next.  The full Mi-Go

>>>>    The little girl needs some acting lessons

>>>> This is very low blow. As far as I am concerned.  I thought her
>>>> performance was faultless.   Many high points but the look on face when
>>>> one of the Mi-Go followed Wilmarth into the barn is the winner for me.

>>>> and the chinless
>>>>> hillbilly should not have been in the movie.

>>>> I assume you are talking about Will Masterston (Caspar Marsh) what was
>>>> wrong with that performance?  Somebody who thought they were helping
>>>> some alien race in mining operation with a bit of money, then finds he
>>>> in neck deep in a conspiracy.  He does paranoia perfectly,

>>>> He has the best lines in the film.

>>>> "Not much of a day for hunting, is it?" - Wilmarth
>>>> "Depends what you're hunting for"

>>>> "Mankind is done! they are what is next!!"

>>>> "No. You are wrong"  Wilmarth.

>>>> "Wrong? Wrong?  Have you seen one up close?
>>>> "They can put thoughts right into your head."
>>>> "We're no match for them."

>>>> That is the way people behave when they scared witless.

>>>> Please tell me what was wrong with the delivery of those lines?

>>>>> I thought the best talent in the entire dribble was the supremely
>>>>> confident University colleague (the chain smoker) who handled things
>>>>> with such aplomb at the outset.

>>>> Give me a break he did a got job as a bit part, but did he play anything
>>>> other than a spoilt brat?  There was no arc in his character?
>>>> He did what he did well, but he was a bit part.

>>>>> A bomb in my view.

>>>>> Probably the best horror movie I have seen in antiquarian style was
>>>>> the BBC production of "Whistle and I'll Come".  Cheap special effects
>>>>> and terrible chills - producers and directors of movies such as the
>>>>> one just reviewed should place this on their must view list, before
>>>>> setting out to insult audiences.

>>>> Probably had 100x the budget and full time FX people sitting around
>>>> floor waiting for something to do.

>>>> I think you will like Die Farbe better

>>> I did not like this movie.  I am a long standing fan of HPL, but like
>>> all things, one grows up and leaves childhood things behind.  HPL was
>>> a childhood thing with me, I was reading him (Arkham Press, red
>>> covers, nice paper...) back in the late 1960's and to a kid like I
>>> was, in a town which had a library called "The School of Arts"
>>> populated by first editions of The Book of Dzyan and all that, my mind
>>> was wide open to things flopping in the dark, Plateaus of Leng, etc
>>> etc.

>>> We grow up, don't we.

>>> I used to read Harlan Ellison and thought he was the bee's knees, but
>>> I don't any more.  I liked Hendrix, Fillmore East, loud, driving
>>> music, but not any more.

>>> Same with HPL.

>>> Now, if he could be delivered in a different way, like Stross in A
>>> Colder War, for instance, then we could say that HPL has surpassed
>>> death and grown up.  Kept up, even.

>>> My opinion above is honest and the way I felt when I watched it.  I
>>> switched off at about 3/4 of the way because is was just too boring.
>>> Why on earth deliver a movie just like the story, without any artistic
>>> changes or subtle dimensions?  Plain boring.

>>> HPL, in order to survive in this photonic age, needs to be transmuted
>>> by an expert. Shea is one, Stross another, but their interests are
>>> elsewhere and their HPL visions are just tangential to the general
>>> body of their work.   "Fat Face" would make an excellent horror story,
>>> and so would "A Colder War" - much more promise than this movie.

>>> I'm sorry if you don't agree.

>> So, if you've left Lovecraft behind, why do you read a newsgroup devoted
>> to his works?

> Yes, if I've left Lovecraft behind indeed.  Except I haven't and I
> don't think I said I had.  I was commenting on the movie, which is not
> a good one, and the need like everything else to evolve, or die.  I
> have very fond recollections of finding HPL in my youth, and they are
> engrams which will never dissipate.  However, I'm also a creature of
> the third millenium and I fear HPL will bite the dust as generations
> pass the baton, unless the formula mutates or changes to suit
> fashions.  These are fast times we live in and HPL needs to adjust.

> Just like everything else in history.  Who reads Ambrose Bierce
> nowadays?

>>> thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:07:58 +1100, avid fan<m...@privacy.net>   wrote:

>>>>> SPOILER ALERT IF YOU INTEND ON SEEING THIS FILM GIVE THIS A MISS.
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________

>>>>> On 10/02/12 08:51, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>>>>>> Watched it.  Nice crisp B&W and some very good cinematography (decent
>>>>>> angles etc), however...

>>>>>> Firstly, it failed to sustain my interest.

>>>>> Ok one hand they get criticised for not following the the original
>>>>> story.  Now you criticised them for doing just that,  Films need a big
>>>>> bang at the beginning and a much bigger one at the end.

>>>>>> the laughable chirping noises made by Alkely

>>>>> Read the original story.  Akeley Is misspelt (two ees) in typed letter
>>>>> is the first give that something is wrong.  To me if I hand never heard
>>>>> Henry Akeley I would have thought his strange speech was part of his
>>>>> Asthma.

>>>>>    and the disembodied
>>>>> I found it boring after
>>>>>> holographic head(s).

>>>>> The HPLS want to make film as if it was made  in the  1930s, with the
>>>>> art Deco machines that we would expect in those years.  Yes such an
>>>>> advanced race should have had HD TVs.  They were trying for something
>>>>> different.  If this film was shown in the 1930s viewers would have run
>>>> >from the cinema screaming.

>>>>>     Suggested horror is good, but shadow lobsters is
>>>>>> bad.

>>>>> Read the original text this is all Wilmarth did not see shadows or live
>>>>> Mi-Go, he just heard their foot falls and conversation.  Not very good
>>>>> for a film,  but we see them completely in the film.  Shadow lobsters is
>>>>> only hint of what we are to see next.  The full Mi-Go

>>>>>    The little girl needs some acting lessons

>>>>> This is very low blow. As far as I am concerned.  I thought her
>>>>> performance was faultless.   Many high points but the look on face when
>>>>> one of the Mi-Go followed Wilmarth into the barn is the winner for me.

>>>>> and the chinless
>>>>>> hillbilly should not have been in the movie.

>>>>> I assume you are talking about Will Masterston (Caspar Marsh) what was
>>>>> wrong with that performance?  Somebody who thought they were helping
>>>>> some alien race in mining operation with a bit of money, then finds he
>>>>> in neck deep in a conspiracy.  He does paranoia perfectly,

>>>>> He has the best lines in the film.

>>>>> "Not much of a day for hunting, is it?" - Wilmarth
>>>>> "Depends what you're hunting for"

>>>>> "Mankind is done! they are what is next!!"

>>>>> "No. You are wrong"  Wilmarth.

>>>>> "Wrong? Wrong?  Have you seen one up close?
>>>>> "They can put thoughts right into your head."
>>>>> "We're no match for them."

>>>>> That is the way people behave when they scared witless.

>>>>> Please tell me what was wrong with the delivery of those lines?

>>>>>> I thought the best talent in the entire dribble was the supremely
>>>>>> confident University colleague (the chain smoker) who handled things
>>>>>> with such aplomb at the outset.

>>>>> Give me a break he did a got job as a bit part, but did he play anything
>>>>> other than a spoilt brat?  There was no arc in his character?
>>>>> He did what he did well, but he was a bit part.

>>>>>> A bomb in my view.

>>>>>> Probably the best horror movie I have seen in antiquarian style was
>>>>>> the BBC production of "Whistle and I'll Come".  Cheap special effects
>>>>>> and terrible chills - producers and directors of movies such as the
>>>>>> one just reviewed should place this on their must view list, before
>>>>>> setting out to insult audiences.

>>>>> Probably had 100x the budget and full time FX people sitting around
>>>>> floor waiting for something to do.

>>>>> I think you will like Die Farbe better

>>>> I did not like this movie.  I am a long standing fan of HPL, but like
>>>> all things, one grows up and leaves childhood things behind.  HPL was
>>>> a childhood thing with me, I was reading him (Arkham Press, red
>>>> covers, nice paper...) back in the late 1960's and to a kid like I
>>>> was, in a town which had a library called "The School of Arts"
>>>> populated by first editions of The Book of Dzyan and all that, my mind
>>>> was wide open to things flopping in the dark, Plateaus of Leng, etc
>>>> etc.

>>>> We grow up, don't we.

>>>> I used to read Harlan Ellison and thought he was the bee's knees, but
>>>> I don't any more.  I liked Hendrix, Fillmore East, loud, driving
>>>> music, but not any more.

>>>> Same with HPL.

>>>> Now, if he could be delivered in a different way, like Stross in A
>>>> Colder War, for instance, then we could say that HPL has surpassed
>>>> death and grown up.  Kept up, even.

>>>> My opinion above is honest and the way I felt when I watched it.  I
>>>> switched off at about 3/4 of the way because is was just too boring.
>>>> Why on earth deliver a movie just like the story, without any artistic
>>>> changes or subtle dimensions?  Plain boring.

>>>> HPL, in order to survive in this photonic age, needs to be transmuted
>>>> by an expert. Shea is one, Stross another, but their interests are
>>>> elsewhere and their HPL visions are just tangential to the general
>>>> body of their work.   "Fat Face" would make an excellent horror story,
>>>> and so would "A Colder War" - much more promise than this movie.

>>>> I'm sorry if you don't agree.

>>> So, if you've left Lovecraft behind, why do you read a newsgroup devoted
>>> to his works?

>> Yes, if I've left Lovecraft behind indeed.  Except I haven't and I
>> don't think I said I had.  I was commenting on the movie, which is not
>> a good one, and the need like everything else to evolve, or die.  I
>> have very fond recollections of finding HPL in my youth, and they are
>> engrams which will never dissipate.  However, I'm also a creature of
>> the third millenium and I fear HPL will bite the dust as generations
>> pass the baton, unless the formula mutates or changes to suit
>> fashions.  These are fast times we live in and HPL needs to adjust.

>> Just like everything else in history.  Who reads Ambrose Bierce
>> nowadays?

>That's an interesting way of looking at things. So do all classic
>authors need to "adjust" to the 21st century? What exactly are you
>suggesting? That they be re-written for modern sensibilities? Dickens?
>Shakespeare? Poe? Twain? Am I understanding you correctly?

>And yeah, you did pretty much say that you'd left Lovecraft behind: "I
>am a long standing fan of HPL, but like all things, one grows up and
>leaves childhood things behind.  HPL was a childhood thing with me..."

>> thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:36:55 -0500, Kishin<n...@yobiz.ness>   wrote:

>>>> thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:07:58 +1100, avid fan<m...@privacy.net>    wrote:

>>>>>> SPOILER ALERT IF YOU INTEND ON SEEING THIS FILM GIVE THIS A MISS.
>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________

>>>>>> On 10/02/12 08:51, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>>>>>>> Watched it.  Nice crisp B&W and some very good cinematography (decent
>>>>>>> angles etc), however...

>>>>>>> Firstly, it failed to sustain my interest.

>>>>>> Ok one hand they get criticised for not following the the original
>>>>>> story.  Now you criticised them for doing just that,  Films need a big
>>>>>> bang at the beginning and a much bigger one at the end.

>>>>>>> the laughable chirping noises made by Alkely

>>>>>> Read the original story.  Akeley Is misspelt (two ees) in typed letter
>>>>>> is the first give that something is wrong.  To me if I hand never heard
>>>>>> Henry Akeley I would have thought his strange speech was part of his
>>>>>> Asthma.

>>>>>>     and the disembodied
>>>>>> I found it boring after
>>>>>>> holographic head(s).

>>>>>> The HPLS want to make film as if it was made  in the  1930s, with the
>>>>>> art Deco machines that we would expect in those years.  Yes such an
>>>>>> advanced race should have had HD TVs.  They were trying for something
>>>>>> different.  If this film was shown in the 1930s viewers would have run
>>>>> >from the cinema screaming.

>>>>>>      Suggested horror is good, but shadow lobsters is
>>>>>>> bad.

>>>>>> Read the original text this is all Wilmarth did not see shadows or live
>>>>>> Mi-Go, he just heard their foot falls and conversation.  Not very good
>>>>>> for a film,  but we see them completely in the film.  Shadow lobsters is
>>>>>> only hint of what we are to see next.  The full Mi-Go

>>>>>>     The little girl needs some acting lessons

>>>>>> This is very low blow. As far as I am concerned.  I thought her
>>>>>> performance was faultless.   Many high points but the look on face when
>>>>>> one of the Mi-Go followed Wilmarth into the barn is the winner for me.

>>>>>> and the chinless
>>>>>>> hillbilly should not have been in the movie.

>>>>>> I assume you are talking about Will Masterston (Caspar Marsh) what was
>>>>>> wrong with that performance?  Somebody who thought they were helping
>>>>>> some alien race in mining operation with a bit of money, then finds he
>>>>>> in neck deep in a conspiracy.  He does paranoia perfectly,

>>>>>> He has the best lines in the film.

>>>>>> "Not much of a day for hunting, is it?" - Wilmarth
>>>>>> "Depends what you're hunting for"

>>>>>> "Mankind is done! they are what is next!!"

>>>>>> "No. You are wrong"  Wilmarth.

>>>>>> "Wrong? Wrong?  Have you seen one up close?
>>>>>> "They can put thoughts right into your head."
>>>>>> "We're no match for them."

>>>>>> That is the way people behave when they scared witless.

>>>>>> Please tell me what was wrong with the delivery of those lines?

>>>>>>> I thought the best talent in the entire dribble was the supremely
>>>>>>> confident University colleague (the chain smoker) who handled things
>>>>>>> with such aplomb at the outset.

>>>>>> Give me a break he did a got job as a bit part, but did he play anything
>>>>>> other than a spoilt brat?  There was no arc in his character?
>>>>>> He did what he did well, but he was a bit part.

>>>>>>> A bomb in my view.

>>>>>>> Probably the best horror movie I have seen in antiquarian style was
>>>>>>> the BBC production of "Whistle and I'll Come".  Cheap special effects
>>>>>>> and terrible chills - producers and directors of movies such as the
>>>>>>> one just reviewed should place this on their must view list, before
>>>>>>> setting out to insult audiences.

>>>>>> Probably had 100x the budget and full time FX people sitting around
>>>>>> floor waiting for something to do.

>>>>>> I think you will like Die Farbe better

>>>>> I did not like this movie.  I am a long standing fan of HPL, but like
>>>>> all things, one grows up and leaves childhood things behind.  HPL was
>>>>> a childhood thing with me, I was reading him (Arkham Press, red
>>>>> covers, nice paper...) back in the late 1960's and to a kid like I
>>>>> was, in a town which had a library called "The School of Arts"
>>>>> populated by first editions of The Book of Dzyan and all that, my mind
>>>>> was wide open to things flopping in the dark, Plateaus of Leng, etc
>>>>> etc.

>>>>> We grow up, don't we.

>>>>> I used to read Harlan Ellison and thought he was the bee's knees, but
>>>>> I don't any more.  I liked Hendrix, Fillmore East, loud, driving
>>>>> music, but not any more.

>>>>> Same with HPL.

>>>>> Now, if he could be delivered in a different way, like Stross in A
>>>>> Colder War, for instance, then we could say that HPL has surpassed
>>>>> death and grown up.  Kept up, even.

>>>>> My opinion above is honest and the way I felt when I watched it.  I
>>>>> switched off at about 3/4 of the way because is was just too boring.
>>>>> Why on earth deliver a movie just like the story, without any artistic
>>>>> changes or subtle dimensions?  Plain boring.

>>>>> HPL, in order to survive in this photonic age, needs to be transmuted
>>>>> by an expert. Shea is one, Stross another, but their interests are
>>>>> elsewhere and their HPL visions are just tangential to the general
>>>>> body of their work.   "Fat Face" would make an excellent horror story,
>>>>> and so would "A Colder War" - much more promise than this movie.

>>>>> I'm sorry if you don't agree.

>>>> So, if you've left Lovecraft behind, why do you read a newsgroup devoted
>>>> to his works?

>>> Yes, if I've left Lovecraft behind indeed.  Except I haven't and I
>>> don't think I said I had.  I was commenting on the movie, which is not
>>> a good one, and the need like everything else to evolve, or die.  I
>>> have very fond recollections of finding HPL in my youth, and they are
>>> engrams which will never dissipate.  However, I'm also a creature of
>>> the third millenium and I fear HPL will bite the dust as generations
>>> pass the baton, unless the formula mutates or changes to suit
>>> fashions.  These are fast times we live in and HPL needs to adjust.

>>> Just like everything else in history.  Who reads Ambrose Bierce
>>> nowadays?

>> That's an interesting way of looking at things. So do all classic
>> authors need to "adjust" to the 21st century? What exactly are you
>> suggesting? That they be re-written for modern sensibilities? Dickens?
>> Shakespeare? Poe? Twain? Am I understanding you correctly?

> Well, you're close but no cigar :)

> I wouldn't extend it to "all" authors.  For instance, Shakespeare,
> Tolstoy, Poe - even Mark Twain - patently don't need translation to
> maintain interest.  They are broadly read by practically all of the
> literate classes, in most languages and cultures.

> HPL on the other hand has not and will not achieve such broad literate
> acceptance .  For me to say that is just being honest with myself.
> What I was getting at, maybe not too successfully, is that even though
> HPL is a niche genre, it is not masterful enough to achieve resilience
> through the ages without some re-writing for modern sensibilities as
> you put it.  I would have once denied this to be the case.  But the
> only way for me (maybe not for you) that HPL is still interesting, or
> at least his creations, is through the writing of modern artists such
> as Shea and, yes, Stross (his A Colder War is an excellent example of
> what I'm talking about - I have read it many times, while I haven't
> re-read any HPL originals for decades).

>> And yeah, you did pretty much say that you'd left Lovecraft behind: "I
>> am a long standing fan of HPL, but like all things, one grows up and
>> leaves childhood things behind.  HPL was a childhood thing with me..."

> I can see how you have arrived at that, its basically what I said, but
> I meant it in the context of my above comments.  I should have said I
> have left HPL behind (as I said, I haven't read him for decades) but
> not the genre - because of authors such as Michael Shea and some
> others.

> Its just an opinion.  That's the beauty of usenet.

> >>> thang ornerythinchus wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:07:58 +1100, avid fan<m...@privacy.net>   wrote:

> >>>>> SPOILER ALERT IF YOU INTEND ON SEEING THIS FILM GIVE THIS A MISS.
> >>>>> _________________________________________________________________

> >>>>> On 10/02/12 08:51, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
> >>>>>> Watched it.  Nice crisp B&W and some very good cinematography (decent
> >>>>>> angles etc), however...

> >>>>>> Firstly, it failed to sustain my interest.

> >>>>> Ok one hand they get criticised for not following the the original
> >>>>> story.  Now you criticised them for doing just that,  Films need a big
> >>>>> bang at the beginning and a much bigger one at the end.

> >>>>>> the laughable chirping noises made by Alkely

> >>>>> Read the original story.  Akeley Is misspelt (two ees) in typed letter
> >>>>> is the first give that something is wrong.  To me if I hand never heard
> >>>>> Henry Akeley I would have thought his strange speech was part of his
> >>>>> Asthma.

> >>>>>    and the disembodied
> >>>>> I found it boring after
> >>>>>> holographic head(s).

> >>>>> The HPLS want to make film as if it was made  in the  1930s, with the
> >>>>> art Deco machines that we would expect in those years.  Yes such an
> >>>>> advanced race should have had HD TVs.  They were trying for something
> >>>>> different.  If this film was shown in the 1930s viewers would have run
> >>>> >from the cinema screaming.

> >>>>>     Suggested horror is good, but shadow lobsters is
> >>>>>> bad.

> >>>>> Read the original text this is all Wilmarth did not see shadows or live
> >>>>> Mi-Go, he just heard their foot falls and conversation.  Not very good
> >>>>> for a film,  but we see them completely in the film.  Shadow lobsters is
> >>>>> only hint of what we are to see next.  The full Mi-Go

> >>>>>    The little girl needs some acting lessons

> >>>>> This is very low blow. As far as I am concerned.  I thought her
> >>>>> performance was faultless.   Many high points but the look on face when
> >>>>> one of the Mi-Go followed Wilmarth into the barn is the winner for me.

> >>>>> and the chinless
> >>>>>> hillbilly should not have been in the movie.

> >>>>> I assume you are talking about Will Masterston (Caspar Marsh) what was
> >>>>> wrong with that performance?  Somebody who thought they were helping
> >>>>> some alien race in mining operation with a bit of money, then finds he
> >>>>> in neck deep in a conspiracy.  He does paranoia perfectly,

> >>>>> He has the best lines in the film.

> >>>>> "Not much of a day for hunting, is it?" - Wilmarth
> >>>>> "Depends what you're hunting for"

> >>>>> "Mankind is done! they are what is next!!"

> >>>>> "No. You are wrong"  Wilmarth.

> >>>>> "Wrong? Wrong?  Have you seen one up close?
> >>>>> "They can put thoughts right into your head."
> >>>>> "We're no match for them."

> >>>>> That is the way people behave when they scared witless.

> >>>>> Please tell me what was wrong with the delivery of those lines?

> >>>>>> I thought the best talent in the entire dribble was the supremely
> >>>>>> confident University colleague (the chain smoker) who handled things
> >>>>>> with such aplomb at the outset.

> >>>>> Give me a break he did a got job as a bit part, but did he play anything
> >>>>> other than a spoilt brat?  There was no arc in his character?
> >>>>> He did what he did well, but he was a bit part.

> >>>>>> A bomb in my view.

> >>>>>> Probably the best horror movie I have seen in antiquarian style was
> >>>>>> the BBC production of "Whistle and I'll Come".  Cheap special effects
> >>>>>> and terrible chills - producers and directors of movies such as the
> >>>>>> one just reviewed should place this on their must view list, before
> >>>>>> setting out to insult audiences.

> >>>>> Probably had 100x the budget and full time FX people sitting around
> >>>>> floor waiting for something to do.

> >>>>> I think you will like Die Farbe better

> >>>> I did not like this movie.  I am a long standing fan of HPL, but like
> >>>> all things, one grows up and leaves childhood things behind.  HPL was
> >>>> a childhood thing with me, I was reading him (Arkham Press, red
> >>>> covers, nice paper...) back in the late 1960's and to a kid like I
> >>>> was, in a town which had a library called "The School of Arts"
> >>>> populated by first editions of The Book of Dzyan and all that, my mind
> >>>> was wide open to things flopping in the dark, Plateaus of Leng, etc
> >>>> etc.

> >>>> We grow up, don't we.

> >>>> I used to read Harlan Ellison and thought he was the bee's knees, but
> >>>> I don't any more.  I liked Hendrix, Fillmore East, loud, driving
> >>>> music, but not any more.

> >>>> Same with HPL.

> >>>> Now, if he could be delivered in a different way, like Stross in A
> >>>> Colder War, for instance, then we could say that HPL has surpassed
> >>>> death and grown up.  Kept up, even.

> >>>> My opinion above is honest and the way I felt when I watched it.  I
> >>>> switched off at about 3/4 of the way because is was just too boring.
> >>>> Why on earth deliver a movie just like the story, without any artistic
> >>>> changes or subtle dimensions?  Plain boring.

> >>>> HPL, in order to survive in this photonic age, needs to be transmuted
> >>>> by an expert. Shea is one, Stross another, but their interests are
> >>>> elsewhere and their HPL visions are just tangential to the general
> >>>> body of their work.   "Fat Face" would make an excellent horror story,
> >>>> and so would "A Colder War" - much more promise than this movie.

> >>>> I'm sorry if you don't agree.

> >>> So, if you've left Lovecraft behind, why do you read a newsgroup devoted
> >>> to his works?

> >> Yes, if I've left Lovecraft behind indeed.  Except I haven't and I
> >> don't think I said I had.  I was commenting on the movie, which is not
> >> a good one, and the need like everything else to evolve, or die.  I
> >> have very fond recollections of finding HPL in my youth, and they are
> >> engrams which will never dissipate.  However, I'm also a creature of
> >> the third millenium and I fear HPL will bite the dust as generations
> >> pass the baton, unless the formula mutates or changes to suit
> >> fashions.  These are fast times we live in and HPL needs to adjust.

> >> Just like everything else in history.  Who reads Ambrose Bierce
> >> nowadays?

> >That's an interesting way of looking at things. So do all classic
> >authors need to "adjust" to the 21st century? What exactly are you
> >suggesting? That they be re-written for modern sensibilities? Dickens?
> >Shakespeare? Poe? Twain? Am I understanding you correctly?

> Well, you're close but no cigar :)

> I wouldn't extend it to "all" authors.  For instance, Shakespeare,
> Tolstoy, Poe - even Mark Twain - patently don't need translation to
> maintain interest.  They are broadly read by practically all of the
> literate classes, in most languages and cultures.

> HPL on the other hand has not and will not achieve such broad literate
> acceptance .  For me to say that is just being honest with myself.
> What I was getting at, maybe not too successfully, is that even though
> HPL is a niche genre, it is not masterful enough to achieve resilience
> through the ages without some re-writing for modern sensibilities as
> you put it.  I would have once denied this to be the case.  But the
> only way for me (maybe not for you) that HPL is still interesting, or
> at least his creations, is through the writing of modern artists such
> as Shea and, yes, Stross (his A Colder War is an excellent example of
> what I'm talking about - I have read it many times, while I haven't
> re-read any HPL originals for decades).

> >And yeah, you did pretty much say that you'd left Lovecraft behind: "I
> >am a long standing fan of HPL, but like all things, one grows up and
> >leaves childhood things behind.  HPL was a childhood thing with me..."

> I can see how you have arrived at that, its basically what I said, but
> I meant it in the context of my above comments.  I should have said I
> have left HPL behind (as I said, I haven't read him for decades) but
> not the genre - because of authors such as Michael Shea and some
> others.

> Its just an opinion.  That's the beauty of usenet.

> thang

> thang

>>> thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:36:55 -0500, Kishin<n...@yobiz.ness>   wrote:

>>>>> thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:07:58 +1100, avid fan<m...@privacy.net>    wrote:

>>>>>>> SPOILER ALERT IF YOU INTEND ON SEEING THIS FILM GIVE THIS A MISS.
>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________

>>>>>>> On 10/02/12 08:51, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>>>>>>>> Watched it.  Nice crisp B&W and some very good cinematography (decent
>>>>>>>> angles etc), however...

>>>>>>>> Firstly, it failed to sustain my interest.

>>>>>>> Ok one hand they get criticised for not following the the original
>>>>>>> story.  Now you criticised them for doing just that,  Films need a big
>>>>>>> bang at the beginning and a much bigger one at the end.

>>>>>>>> the laughable chirping noises made by Alkely

>>>>>>> Read the original story.  Akeley Is misspelt (two ees) in typed letter
>>>>>>> is the first give that something is wrong.  To me if I hand never heard
>>>>>>> Henry Akeley I would have thought his strange speech was part of his
>>>>>>> Asthma.

>>>>>>>     and the disembodied
>>>>>>> I found it boring after
>>>>>>>> holographic head(s).

>>>>>>> The HPLS want to make film as if it was made  in the  1930s, with the
>>>>>>> art Deco machines that we would expect in those years.  Yes such an
>>>>>>> advanced race should have had HD TVs.  They were trying for something
>>>>>>> different.  If this film was shown in the 1930s viewers would have run
>>>>>> >from the cinema screaming.

>>>>>>>      Suggested horror is good, but shadow lobsters is
>>>>>>>> bad.

>>>>>>> Read the original text this is all Wilmarth did not see shadows or live
>>>>>>> Mi-Go, he just heard their foot falls and conversation.  Not very good
>>>>>>> for a film,  but we see them completely in the film.  Shadow lobsters is
>>>>>>> only hint of what we are to see next.  The full Mi-Go

>>>>>>>     The little girl needs some acting lessons

>>>>>>> This is very low blow. As far as I am concerned.  I thought her
>>>>>>> performance was faultless.   Many high points but the look on face when
>>>>>>> one of the Mi-Go followed Wilmarth into the barn is the winner for me.

>>>>>>> and the chinless
>>>>>>>> hillbilly should not have been in the movie.

>>>>>>> I assume you are talking about Will Masterston (Caspar Marsh) what was
>>>>>>> wrong with that performance?  Somebody who thought they were helping
>>>>>>> some alien race in mining operation with a bit of money, then finds he
>>>>>>> in neck deep in a conspiracy.  He does paranoia perfectly,

>>>>>>> He has the best lines in the film.

>>>>>>> "Not much of a day for hunting, is it?" - Wilmarth
>>>>>>> "Depends what you're hunting for"

>>>>>>> "Mankind is done! they are what is next!!"

>>>>>>> "No. You are wrong"  Wilmarth.

>>>>>>> "Wrong? Wrong?  Have you seen one up close?
>>>>>>> "They can put thoughts right into your head."
>>>>>>> "We're no match for them."

>>>>>>> That is the way people behave when they scared witless.

>>>>>>> Please tell me what was wrong with the delivery of those lines?

>>>>>>>> I thought the best talent in the entire dribble was the supremely
>>>>>>>> confident University colleague (the chain smoker) who handled things
>>>>>>>> with such aplomb at the outset.

>>>>>>> Give me a break he did a got job as a bit part, but did he play anything
>>>>>>> other than a spoilt brat?  There was no arc in his character?
>>>>>>> He did what he did well, but he was a bit part.

>>>>>>>> A bomb in my view.

>>>>>>>> Probably the best horror movie I have seen in antiquarian style was
>>>>>>>> the BBC production of "Whistle and I'll Come".  Cheap special effects
>>>>>>>> and terrible chills - producers and directors of movies such as the
>>>>>>>> one just reviewed should place this on their must view list, before
>>>>>>>> setting out to insult audiences.

>>>>>>> Probably had 100x the budget and full time FX people sitting around
>>>>>>> floor waiting for something to do.

>>>>>>> I think you will like Die Farbe better

>>>>>> I did not like this movie.  I am a long standing fan of HPL, but like
>>>>>> all things, one grows up and leaves childhood things behind.  HPL was
>>>>>> a childhood thing with me, I was reading him (Arkham Press, red
>>>>>> covers, nice paper...) back in the late 1960's and to a kid like I
>>>>>> was, in a town which had a library called "The School of Arts"
>>>>>> populated by first editions of The Book of Dzyan and all that, my mind
>>>>>> was wide open to things flopping in the dark, Plateaus of Leng, etc
>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>> We grow up, don't we.

>>>>>> I used to read Harlan Ellison and thought he was the bee's knees, but
>>>>>> I don't any more.  I liked Hendrix, Fillmore East, loud, driving
>>>>>> music, but not any more.

>>>>>> Same with HPL.

>>>>>> Now, if he could be delivered in a different way, like Stross in A
>>>>>> Colder War, for instance, then we could say that HPL has surpassed
>>>>>> death and grown up.  Kept up, even.

>>>>>> My opinion above is honest and the way I felt when I watched it.  I
>>>>>> switched off at about 3/4 of the way because is was just too boring.
>>>>>> Why on earth deliver a movie just like the story, without any artistic
>>>>>> changes or subtle dimensions?  Plain boring.

>>>>>> HPL, in order to survive in this photonic age, needs to be transmuted
>>>>>> by an expert. Shea is one, Stross another, but their interests are
>>>>>> elsewhere and their HPL visions are just tangential to the general
>>>>>> body of their work.   "Fat Face" would make an excellent horror story,
>>>>>> and so would "A Colder War" - much more promise than this movie.

>>>>>> I'm sorry if you don't agree.

>>>>> So, if you've left Lovecraft behind, why do you read a newsgroup devoted
>>>>> to his works?

>>>> Yes, if I've left Lovecraft behind indeed.  Except I haven't and I
>>>> don't think I said I had.  I was commenting on the movie, which is not
>>>> a good one, and the need like everything else to evolve, or die.  I
>>>> have very fond recollections of finding HPL in my youth, and they are
>>>> engrams which will never dissipate.  However, I'm also a creature of
>>>> the third millenium and I fear HPL will bite the dust as generations
>>>> pass the baton, unless the formula mutates or changes to suit
>>>> fashions.  These are fast times we live in and HPL needs to adjust.

>>>> Just like everything else in history.  Who reads Ambrose Bierce
>>>> nowadays?

>>> That's an interesting way of looking at things. So do all classic
>>> authors need to "adjust" to the 21st century? What exactly are you
>>> suggesting? That they be re-written for modern sensibilities? Dickens?
>>> Shakespeare? Poe? Twain? Am I understanding you correctly?

>> Well, you're close but no cigar :)

>> I wouldn't extend it to "all" authors.  For instance, Shakespeare,
>> Tolstoy, Poe - even Mark Twain - patently don't need translation to
>> maintain interest.  They are broadly read by practically all of the
>> literate classes, in most languages and cultures.

>> HPL on the other hand has not and will not achieve such broad literate
>> acceptance .  For me to say that is just being honest with myself.
>> What I was getting at, maybe not too successfully, is that even though
>> HPL is a niche genre, it is not masterful enough to achieve resilience
>> through the ages without some re-writing for modern sensibilities as
>> you put it.  I would have once denied this to be the case.  But the
>> only way for me (maybe not for you) that HPL is still interesting, or
>> at least his creations, is through the writing of modern artists such
>> as Shea and, yes, Stross (his A Colder War is an excellent example of
>> what I'm talking about - I have read it many times, while I haven't
>> re-read any HPL originals for decades).

>That really does seem to me to be a very unusual opinion for an educated
>person. It's easy for me to see someone uneducated, who just wants to be
>entertained and doesn't care about artistic integrity, being open to
>changing a written work. The type who read Reader's Digest. The type
>who'd rather watch a movie with a bad dub than go to the effort of
>reading subtitles. The kind who watch colorized black and white movies.
>But I would expect someone of your smarts to be more in favor of
>protecting creative works from censorship or other modification. I'm not
>saying that you're not entitled to your opinion, just that it seems an
>odd one to me.

>> >>> thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>> >>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:07:58 +1100, avid fan<m...@privacy.net>   wrote:

>> >>>>> SPOILER ALERT IF YOU INTEND ON SEEING THIS FILM GIVE THIS A MISS.
>> >>>>> _________________________________________________________________

>> >>>>> On 10/02/12 08:51, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
>> >>>>>> Watched it.  Nice crisp B&W and some very good cinematography (decent
>> >>>>>> angles etc), however...

>> >>>>>> Firstly, it failed to sustain my interest.

>> >>>>> Ok one hand they get criticised for not following the the original
>> >>>>> story.  Now you criticised them for doing just that,  Films need a big
>> >>>>> bang at the beginning and a much bigger one at the end.

>> >>>>>> the laughable chirping noises made by Alkely

>> >>>>> Read the original story.  Akeley Is misspelt (two ees) in typed letter
>> >>>>> is the first give that something is wrong.  To me if I hand never heard
>> >>>>> Henry Akeley I would have thought his strange speech was part of his
>> >>>>> Asthma.

>> >>>>>    and the disembodied
>> >>>>> I found it boring after
>> >>>>>> holographic head(s).

>> >>>>> The HPLS want to make film as if it was made  in the  1930s, with the
>> >>>>> art Deco machines that we would expect in those years.  Yes such an
>> >>>>> advanced race should have had HD TVs.  They were trying for something
>> >>>>> different.  If this film was shown in the 1930s viewers would have run
>> >>>> >from the cinema screaming.

>> >>>>>     Suggested horror is good, but shadow lobsters is
>> >>>>>> bad.

>> >>>>> Read the original text this is all Wilmarth did not see shadows or live
>> >>>>> Mi-Go, he just heard their foot falls and conversation.  Not very good
>> >>>>> for a film,  but we see them completely in the film.  Shadow lobsters is
>> >>>>> only hint of what we are to see next.  The full Mi-Go

>> >>>>>    The little girl needs some acting lessons

>> >>>>> This is very low blow. As far as I am concerned.  I thought her
>> >>>>> performance was faultless.   Many high points but the look on face when
>> >>>>> one of the Mi-Go followed Wilmarth into the barn is the winner for me.

>> >>>>> and the chinless
>> >>>>>> hillbilly should not have been in the movie.

>> >>>>> I assume you are talking about Will Masterston (Caspar Marsh) what was
>> >>>>> wrong with that performance?  Somebody who thought they were helping
>> >>>>> some alien race in mining operation with a bit of money, then finds he
>> >>>>> in neck deep in a conspiracy.  He does paranoia perfectly,

>> >>>>> He has the best lines in the film.

>> >>>>> "Not much of a day for hunting, is it?" - Wilmarth
>> >>>>> "Depends what you're hunting for"

>> >>>>> "Mankind is done! they are what is next!!"

>> >>>>> "No. You are wrong"  Wilmarth.

>> >>>>> "Wrong? Wrong?  Have you seen one up close?
>> >>>>> "They can put thoughts right into your head."
>> >>>>> "We're no match for them."

>> >>>>> That is the way people behave when they scared witless.

>> >>>>> Please tell me what was wrong with the delivery of those lines?

>> >>>>>> I thought the best talent in the entire dribble was the supremely
>> >>>>>> confident University colleague (the chain smoker) who handled things
>> >>>>>> with such aplomb at the outset.

>> >>>>> Give me a break he did a got job as a bit part, but did he play anything
>> >>>>> other than a spoilt brat?  There was no arc in his character?
>> >>>>> He did what he did well, but he was a bit part.

>> >>>>>> A bomb in my view.

>> >>>>>> Probably the best horror movie I have seen in antiquarian style was
>> >>>>>> the BBC production of "Whistle and I'll Come".  Cheap special effects
>> >>>>>> and terrible chills - producers and directors of movies such as the
>> >>>>>> one just reviewed should place this on their must view list, before
>> >>>>>> setting out to insult audiences.

>> >>>>> Probably had 100x the budget and full time FX people sitting around
>> >>>>> floor waiting for something to do.

>> >>>>> I think you will like Die Farbe better

>> >>>> I did not like this movie.  I am a long standing fan of HPL, but like
>> >>>> all things, one grows up and leaves childhood things behind.  HPL was
>> >>>> a childhood thing with me, I was reading him (Arkham Press, red
>> >>>> covers, nice paper...) back in the late 1960's and to a kid like I
>> >>>> was, in a town which had a library called "The School of Arts"
>> >>>> populated by first editions of The Book of Dzyan and all that, my mind
>> >>>> was wide open to things flopping in the dark, Plateaus of Leng, etc
>> >>>> etc.

>> >>>> We grow up, don't we.

>> >>>> I used to read Harlan Ellison and thought he was the bee's knees, but
>> >>>> I don't any more.  I liked Hendrix, Fillmore East, loud, driving
>> >>>> music, but not any more.

>> >>>> Same with HPL.

>> >>>> Now, if he could be delivered in a different way, like Stross in A
>> >>>> Colder War, for instance, then we could say that HPL has surpassed
>> >>>> death and grown up.  Kept up, even.

>> >>>> My opinion above is honest and the way I felt when I watched it.  I
>> >>>> switched off at about 3/4 of the way because is was just too boring.
>> >>>> Why on earth deliver a movie just like the story, without any artistic
>> >>>> changes or subtle dimensions?  Plain boring.

>> >>>> HPL, in order to survive in this photonic age, needs to be transmuted
>> >>>> by an expert. Shea is one, Stross another, but their interests are
>> >>>> elsewhere and their HPL visions are just tangential to the general
>> >>>> body of their work.   "Fat Face" would make an excellent horror story,
>> >>>> and so would "A Colder War" - much more promise than this movie.

>> >>>> I'm sorry if you don't agree.

>> >>> So, if you've left Lovecraft behind, why do you read a newsgroup devoted
>> >>> to his works?

>> >> Yes, if I've left Lovecraft behind indeed.  Except I haven't and I
>> >> don't think I said I had.  I was commenting on the movie, which is not
>> >> a good one, and the need like everything else to evolve, or die.  I
>> >> have very fond recollections of finding HPL in my youth, and they are
>> >> engrams which will never dissipate.  However, I'm also a creature of
>> >> the third millenium and I fear HPL will bite the dust as generations
>> >> pass the baton, unless the formula mutates or changes to suit
>> >> fashions.  These are fast times we live in and HPL needs to adjust.

>> >> Just like everything else in history.  Who reads Ambrose Bierce
>> >> nowadays?

>> >That's an interesting way of looking at things. So do all classic
>> >authors need to "adjust" to the 21st century? What exactly are you
>> >suggesting? That they be re-written for modern sensibilities? Dickens?
>> >Shakespeare? Poe? Twain? Am I understanding you correctly?

>> Well, you're close but no cigar :)

>> I wouldn't extend it to "all" authors.  For instance, Shakespeare,
>> Tolstoy, Poe - even Mark Twain - patently don't need translation to
>> maintain interest.  They are broadly read by practically all of the
>> literate classes, in most languages and cultures.

>> HPL on the other hand has not and will not achieve such broad literate
>> acceptance .  For me to say that is just being honest with myself.
>> What I was getting at, maybe not too successfully, is that even though
>> HPL is a niche genre, it is not masterful enough to achieve resilience
>> through the ages without some re-writing for modern sensibilities as
>> you put it.  I would have once denied this to be the case.  But the
>> only way for me (maybe not for you) that HPL is still interesting, or
>> at least his creations, is through the writing of modern artists such
>> as Shea and, yes, Stross (his A Colder War is an excellent example of
>> what I'm talking about - I have read it many times, while I haven't
>> re-read any HPL originals for decades).

>> >And yeah, you did pretty much say that you'd left Lovecraft behind: "I
>> >am a long standing fan of HPL, but like all things, one grows up and
>> >leaves childhood things behind.  HPL was a childhood thing with me..."

>> I can see how you have arrived at that, its basically what I said, but
>> I meant it in the context of my above comments.  I should have said I
>> have left HPL behind (as I said, I haven't read him for decades) but
>> not the genre - because of authors such as Michael Shea and some
>> others.

>> Its just an opinion.  That's the beauty of usenet.

>> thang

>The idea of rewriting Lovecraft but not Poe strikes me as
>inexplicable, sorry. Neither should be subjected to it.

>> Just like everything else in history.  Who reads Ambrose Bierce
>> nowadays?

>Presumably the people who decide what goes into the Library of America.

> >On 15 Feb, 13:40, thang ornerythinchus <bl...@whomedunnit.com> wrote:

> >> Just like everything else in history.  Who reads Ambrose Bierce
> >> nowadays?

> >Presumably the people who decide what goes into the Library of America.

> Don't be patronising.