Fred Cherry -- net abuser!
Thomas Farrell
kcl...@usa.net
Remember, send complaints directly to kcl...@usa.net
and it wouldn't hurt to Cc them to postm...@uunet.uu.net and ask them
to disconnect usa.net from the Internet for failing to take care of this
obvious net abuse as well. (Don't follow up to this message.)
Fred Cherry (jo...@usa.net) wrote:
: In Message-ID: <4002lq$l...@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com>
: Newsgroups: alt.sex.services
: Subject: Re: Fred Cherry -- alleged pedophile!
: Date: 5 Aug 1995 15:27:54 GMT
: BDW...@prodigy.com (Pat Mentzer) wrote:
: >Under English law, upon which American law is based, SILENCE MEANS
: >CONSENT.
: You are absolutely correct. If I do not answer these vile libels, then
: people will have reason to suspect that they are true. Therefore, I MUST
: respond and I MUST respond in all newsgroups in which there libels
: originated.
: The reason I did not respond immediately is that I was out of town for a
: while and this material has just recently come to my attention.
: *************************************************************************
: Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Lincoln
: jo...@usa.net, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
--
That homosexuality has been a natural condition of kings, composers, engineers,
poets, housewives, and bus drivers, and that it has contributed more than its
share of beauty and laughter to an ugly and ungrateful world should be obvious
to anyone who is willing to peer beneath the surface. -Martin Greif
william c anderson
Fred Cherry (jo...@usa.net) wrote:
: Let me explain what's behind all of this.
: I got into a flame war concerning NAMBLA. NAMBLA is the acronym for the
: North American Man/Boy Love Association, the most powerful and influential
: organization of child-molesters in the Western Hemisphere. I am the most
: outspoken opponent of NAMBLA on the Internet. Rod Swift, a defender of
: NAMBLA, then started an entirely new thread titled: "Fred Cherry -- alleged
: pedophile!" This thread was crossposted to twenty newsgroups. I denounced
: Swift's libels in all of those newsgroups, and in no others. So, then
: Farrell gets into the act and writes to my service provider demanding that
: my service provider censor me. When my service provider refuses to pull
: down his pants and bend over (figuratively speaking, of course), Farrell
: posts his thread in each and every one of the twenty newsgroups that he was
: complaining about my crossposting.
: In other words, I am a net abuser when I crosspost to twenty newsgroups,
: but Swift and Farrell are NOT net abusers when they do the very same thing!
Anybody who posts to twenty groups is a net abuser--and that includes
you, Swift, and, to a lesser degree, anybody who doesn't trim your
absurd crossposts when replying. You don't help your credibility any,
though, with your incessant claims that Swift is a Nambla supporter.
He isn't, and you know he isn't, and everybody who has unaccountably
followed your silly-ass flame war knows he isn't. You're lying, Fred.
Please cut it out.
Bill
Fred Cherry
In Message-ID: <41al2e$4...@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
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Subject: Fred Cherry -- net abuser!
Date: 21 Aug 1995 14:59:26 -0400
tfar...@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Thomas Farrell) wrote:
>The address to complain to about Mr.Cherry's egrigious net abuse is:
>[snipped out]
>Remember, send complaints directly to [snipped out]
>and it wouldn't hurt to Cc them to [snipped out] and ask them
>to disconnect [snipped out] from the Internet for failing to take care of
>this obvious net abuse as well. (Don't follow up to this message.)
Let me explain what's behind all of this.
I got into a flame war concerning NAMBLA. NAMBLA is the acronym for the
North American Man/Boy Love Association, the most powerful and influential
organization of child-molesters in the Western Hemisphere. I am the most
outspoken opponent of NAMBLA on the Internet. Rod Swift, a defender of
NAMBLA, then started an entirely new thread titled: "Fred Cherry -- alleged
pedophile!" This thread was crossposted to twenty newsgroups. I denounced
Swift's libels in all of those newsgroups, and in no others. So, then
Farrell gets into the act and writes to my service provider demanding that
my service provider censor me. When my service provider refuses to pull
down his pants and bend over (figuratively speaking, of course), Farrell
posts his thread in each and every one of the twenty newsgroups that he was
complaining about my crossposting.
In other words, I am a net abuser when I crosspost to twenty newsgroups,
but Swift and Farrell are NOT net abusers when they do the very same thing!
>That homosexuality has been a natural condition of kings, composers,
>engineers, poets, housewives, and bus drivers, and that it has contributed
>more than its share of beauty and laughter to an ugly and ungrateful world
>should be obvious to anyone who is willing to peer beneath the surface.
>-Martin Greif
Once again we have the doctrine that homosexuals are better than normal
people. That's why I say that homosexuals are to sex as Nazis are to race.
Clark B
: But you are worse than the phone sex ads and the "me too" posts,
: because those folks are just plain thoughtless. You screw up the Net
: intentionally.
Hmmmm... so I take it you would prefer to see pro-NAMBLA postings?
Don't you think that CONFESSED child molesters on the 'Net screws it up MORE
than the hordes of newbies from AOL?
geeesh.... what would Sen. Exon think?
-=-clark
ps. If all the hetero lurkers on here would write and post I think it
wouldn't be long before the silent majority overruns the vocal MINORITY!
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RinnySmigh
" From: jo...@usa.net (Fred Cherry)
" Date: 23 Aug 1995 11:47:06 -0600
" Message-ID: <john1.809199887@earth>
(quoting previous post he is responding to: "
">That homosexuality has been a natural condition of kings, composers,
">engineers, poets, housewives, and bus drivers, and that it has
contributed
">more than its share of beauty and laughter to an ugly and ungrateful
world
">should be obvious to anyone who is willing to peer beneath the surface.
">-Martin Greif "
"Once again we have the doctrine that homosexuals are better than normal
"people. That's why I say that homosexuals are to sex as Nazis are to
race."
"Once again we have the doctrine that homosexuals are better than normal
"people. That's why I say that homosexuals are to sex as Nazis are to
race.
*************************************************************************
"Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Lincoln
"jo...@usa.net, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com"
The quote from Martin Greif does not state any doctrine that 'homosexuals'
are better than "normal" people (read: heterosexual). If jo...@usa.net
thinks so, perhaps he needs to practice up on his reading comprehension.
We have spent so much time being put down & made to feel that we are less
than human by some, that sometimes we forget that we are everywhere, among
all groups (even some groups I wish we weren't in), & have to remind
ourselves that we Are & Have Been kings, housewives, poets, etc...
And jo...@usa.net also doesn't know much about logic if he thinks
"homosexuals are to sex as Nazis are to race". Rather, I would argue,
homophobic hate-mongering bigots are to homosexuals as Nazis are to just
about anyone who is not blond, blue-eyed, straight, white, and non-Jewish.
rinnysmigh
the impudent guttersnipe
> the impudent guttersnipe (i...@charm.net) wrote:
>
> : But you are worse than the phone sex ads and the "me too" posts,
> : because those folks are just plain thoughtless. You screw up the Net
> : intentionally.
>
> Hmmmm... so I take it you would prefer to see pro-NAMBLA postings?
Um, no I wouldn't. Where's the logic in saying that in response to what
*I* said?
> Don't you think that CONFESSED child molesters on the 'Net screws it up MORE
> than the hordes of newbies from AOL?
If they are advocating that they should be allowed to continue their
heinous acts against children (as NAMBLA does), then yes, I do agree with
that.
> geeesh.... what would Sen. Exon think?
I couldn't care less what Exon thinks.
the impudent guttersnipe
Rod Swift
>Let me explain what's behind all of this.
Don't you just rehash your lies? Let's see:
>Rod Swift, a defender of NAMBLA
Lie.
>This thread was crossposted to twenty newsgroups.
Half truth. It was *crossposted* *by you* to over 20 newsgroups.
>Once again we have the doctrine that homosexuals are better than normal
>people.
Lie. It was a statement *validating* that Gay people are just
like you, Fred. It's not our fault if you can't *understand*
simple English.
I wish your lies were not so half-baked, Fred, they would be
much more interesting to refute!
P.S. Abused any under-18 females in your prostitution "sexual
orientation" lately?
Rod
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the impudent guttersnipe
In article <imp-250895...@198.69.34.32>, i...@charm.net (the
impudent guttersnipe) wrote:
> In article <41jjsl$5...@bcgi.com>, cl...@bcgi.com (Clark B) wrote:
> > Don't you think that CONFESSED child molesters on the 'Net screws it up MORE
> > than the hordes of newbies from AOL?
>
> If they are advocating that they should be allowed to continue their
> heinous acts against children (as NAMBLA does), then yes, I do agree with
> that.
Eek! I just re-read what I wrote there. I'm afraid I didn't make enough
sense; that it almost sounds like I said the opposite of what I meant to
say. I should have written:
"... then yes, I do agree with what you said"
meaning that I agree with Clark B on that.
the impudent guttersnipe
Chris Hughes
> >The address to complain to about Mr.Cherry's egrigious net abuse is:
> >[snipped out]
> >Remember, send complaints directly to [snipped out]
> >and it wouldn't hurt to Cc them to [snipped out] and ask them
> >to disconnect [snipped out] from the Internet for failing to take care of
> >this obvious net abuse as well. (Don't follow up to this message.)
> I got into a flame war concerning NAMBLA. NAMBLA is the acronym for the
> North American Man/Boy Love Association, the most powerful and influential
> organization of child-molesters in the Western Hemisphere. I am the most
> outspoken opponent of NAMBLA on the Internet. Rod Swift, a defender of
> NAMBLA
Lie #1. My fiance is not, nor has even been, a supporter of NAMBLA.
Fred, you should know better by now than to post obviously false
statements this soon in your messages; people will quit reading
them entirely if they can find the first mistake this soon in your
writing.
> then started an entirely new thread titled: "Fred Cherry -- alleged
> pedophile!" This thread was crossposted to twenty newsgroups.
Lie #2. Actually, this one is a misunderstanding. I started the
topic, and since the message that originated it was one of yours and
I didn't bother to trim the newsgroups line, it went everywhere you
normally spam to. Rod's reply was actually to my message, and he
changed the title, thus starting a new thread.
So, this one I'll give to you.. not your fault you didn't quite get it
right.
> I denounced
> Swift's libels in all of those newsgroups, and in no others. So, then
> Farrell gets into the act and writes to my service provider demanding that
> my service provider censor me. When my service provider refuses to pull
> down his pants and bend over (figuratively speaking, of course), Farrell
> posts his thread in each and every one of the twenty newsgroups that he was
> complaining about my crossposting.
> In other words, I am a net abuser when I crosspost to twenty newsgroups,
> but Swift and Farrell are NOT net abusers when they do the very same thing!
Because all they're doing is replying to your messages. You started
the spamming, Freddie. Not us. Thus, when we're replying to you,
you are still at fault. Think about it for a while. If you didn't
go making messes all over Usenet, we wouldn't be forced to walk all
over Usenet cleaning up after you. So our posts on those remote
groups are really just playing online pooper-scooper for your crap.
> >That homosexuality has been a natural condition of kings, composers,
> >engineers, poets, housewives, and bus drivers, and that it has contributed
> >more than its share of beauty and laughter to an ugly and ungrateful world
> >should be obvious to anyone who is willing to peer beneath the surface.
> >-Martin Greif
> Once again we have the doctrine that homosexuals are better than normal
> people. That's why I say that homosexuals are to sex as Nazis are to race.
Better? No.. just unrecognized.
--
In the name of the best within us, A is A
Christopher Eric Hughes Either-Or
ch...@dfw.net Non-Contradiction
"By the essence and nature of existence, contradictions cannot exist.
If you find one, check your premises; you'll find that one of them is
wrong." Hugh Akston, Professor of Philosophy, Patrick Henry Univ.
Rod Swift
>the impudent guttersnipe (i...@charm.net) wrote:
>: But you are worse than the phone sex ads and the "me too" posts,
>: because those folks are just plain thoughtless. You screw up the Net
>: intentionally.
>Hmmmm... so I take it you would prefer to see pro-NAMBLA postings?
Get a life, Clark. Have you worked it out that Fred Cherry is
falsely accusing me of being a NAMBLA supporter yet? Have you
worked out that Fred Cherry has falsely accused me of being a
Nazi?
Do you think both these allegations are based in logic and truth,
or just fantasy beat-ups so that he can look like a bit of a
net-defender, when in fact, the real pedophiles and nazis are
posting quite happily on alt.skinheads and alt.nationalism.white
(or whatever the damn name of the group is) and over on
alt.support.boy-lovers?
Reverend Jack
newsgroups line? We're trying to talk about margarine here.
Thank you,
--
RevJack
__________________________________________________________________________
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Minivan Clench =There is no way to Slack, Slack is the way=
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Chris Hughes
> In article <41mrjo$i...@dfw.net>, Chris Hughes <ch...@dfw.net> wrote:
> >Because all they're doing is replying to your messages. You started
> >the spamming, Freddie. Not us. Thus, when we're replying to you,
> >you are still at fault. Think about it for a while. If you didn't
> >go making messes all over Usenet, we wouldn't be forced to walk all
> >over Usenet cleaning up after you. So our posts on those remote
> >groups are really just playing online pooper-scooper for your crap.
> Translation of homo-doubletalk: You're right! We're not at
> fault when we do it, but you are!
Exactly. And it wasn't doubletalk, Allen. I meant every word of it,
as written. If you don't like having to clean up the dog poop your
dog leaves all over the yard, then either don't let it out or train
it to go on the paper.
As much of an ass as I think you are, Allen, I feel pity for you,
because in some small way, I can't really hold you at fault for your
actions; you and Buddy are, in my mind, both victims of a repressive,
self-damning belief-system. You're like drug addicts to me. Religion
is your fix. You feel you have to get the rest of the world hooked
so they can feel just like you.
> Proving Fred's allegation up-front.
What allegation was that, Allen?
> Funny, Rod Swift made the same claim awhile ago when he started a
> massive cross-posting flamewar, telling _everyone else_ "all
> [they] had to do was stop crossposting"...of course, whenever
> anyone would, he'd add the trimmed newsgroups BACK into the
> Newsgroups: line.
Uh.. go check your history, Allen. Rod spent most of his time
trying to trim groups out of the newsheader. Fred's the one that
kept putting them back in. Eventually, yes, Rod stopped trying
to trim the file; he figured that as long as Fred was slandering
him in so many places, the least he could do was defend himself.
> The hypocrisy of these two sick individuals is astounding to
> me...
I notice that you've made no trimmings to the newsgroup header,
Allen.
Allen, if there's a hypocrite here, it's you. I don't hide the
fact that my messages get crossposted all over Usenet. I do,
however, have a reason for it. You claim to be all concerned
over the fact that the newsgroup list is so long, but then make
no cuts to it yourself.
My reason for not trimming Fred's newsgroup line is akin to the
"killing in self defense" tactic. He fired the first shot, but
I intend to fire the last. What's your excuse?
Bruce Garrett
>> Because all they're doing is replying to your messages. You started
>> the spamming, Freddie. Not us.
AN> Translation of homo-doubletalk:
Tell us again about how you're not a bigot Allen...
AN> You're right! We're not at fault when we do it, but you are!
Another blame the homosexuals for it dirge from Allen Newton. If
he saw a homosexual take a swing at someone who was attacking them with a
baseball bat, he'd testify later that he saw a homosexual attack someone
who was trying to play baseball.
AN> Proving Fred's allegation up-front.
So Allen...what Do you think of Fred's idea that visiting
prostitutes is a sexual orientation and that society discriminates against
Johns by locking them up?
AN> Funny, Rod Swift made the same claim awhile ago when he started a
AN> massive cross-posting flamewar...
Which you thoroughly enjoyed contributing to...though I'm not sure
they were all that trilled with your little intellectual insights in
alt.org.promise-keepers. Does your pastor know you use language like
that?
AN> The hypocrisy of these two sick individuals is astounding to
AN> me...
Why not call Buddy Beaudoin and cry him a river. Here's fifty
cents...call him twice.
--
-Bruce Garrett \ finger bru...@access.digex.net
Cockeysville, MD. / \ Ex-BETAMAX Ministries: If Sony can change, so can you
Nightwolf
On 23 Aug 1995, Fred Cherry wrote:
> tfar...@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Thomas Farrell) wrote:
>
> >That homosexuality has been a natural condition of kings, composers,
> >engineers, poets, housewives, and bus drivers, and that it has contributed
> >more than its share of beauty and laughter to an ugly and ungrateful world
> >should be obvious to anyone who is willing to peer beneath the surface.
> >-Martin Greif
>
> Once again we have the doctrine that homosexuals are better than normal
> people. That's why I say that homosexuals are to sex as Nazis are to race.
>
Do you really believe that it is fair or proper for you to
lump all homosexuals together, and collectively blame all of them
for the actions of a few extremists? How does your having such an
attitude make you any better than those whom you are criticizing?
Please do remember, that all people do always deserve to be judged
as individuals!
Nightwolf
H.P. Skaliks
ane...@swcp.com (Allen J. Newton) wrote:
> This will be my last post on this topic...
You keep making rash promises Newtie, but you never follow through on
them.
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Nightwolf
On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Mary Malmros wrote:
> Please limit crossposting of this thread. Thank you.
>
Please state which of the newsgroups, to which I have previously
crossposted my only other reply in this thread, you believe to have been
inappropriate. With the possible exception of alt.censorship, which is
the newsgroup where first I saw and replied to this whole thread, all of
the newsgroups listed are, at least in my eyes, clearly relevant for the
discussion of either homosexuality, or allegations of Internet misconduct.
I am now deleting that newsgroup, alt.censorship, from my header for this
reply. You will please note that I had already deleted several other
newsgroups, which I myself believed to be inappropriate, before posting
my previous reply in this thread.
Nightwolf
Fred Cherry
In Message-ID: <jhaartti....@vipunen.hut.fi>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.flame,aus.flame
Subject: Re: Fred Cherry -- net abuser!
jhaa...@vipunen.hut.fi (Head Librarian) wrote:
>Koput, is Fred Cherry one of your aliases?
>
>I know you can forge your headers, Koput. But how WELL can you do it?
>
>Look, I'm not saying that this Fred Cherry is you. I'm not a fool.
>But *HE COULD BE YOU*, right? I mean, just to look at those 'interesting'
>newsgroups where he is posting his articles...
>
>Actually, the question was following:
>
>Do you know this Fred Cherry? Got some ideas from him, Jim?
How many stooges do you have, Swift? That makes two you have come up with
within two days. First you get this "Head Librarian" character to harass
me, and then you get your homophile friend Susan Garvin to harass me.
By the way, why does this person name himself "Head Librarian"? Does that
mean he is a librarian who gives you head?
Head Librarian
>In Message-ID: <jhaartti....@vipunen.hut.fi>
>Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.flame,aus.flame
>Subject: Re: Fred Cherry -- net abuser!
>Date: 6 Sep 95 21:14:04 GMT
>jhaa...@vipunen.hut.fi (Head Librarian) wrote:
>>Koput, is Fred Cherry one of your aliases?
>>
>>I know you can forge your headers, Koput. But how WELL can you do it?
>>
>>Look, I'm not saying that this Fred Cherry is you. I'm not a fool.
>>But *HE COULD BE YOU*, right? I mean, just to look at those 'interesting'
>>newsgroups where he is posting his articles...
>>
>>Actually, the question was following:
>>
>>Do you know this Fred Cherry? Got some ideas from him, Jim?
>How many stooges do you have, Swift? That makes two you have come up with
>within two days. First you get this "Head Librarian" character to harass
>me, and then you get your homophile friend Susan Garvin to harass me.
>By the way, why does this person name himself "Head Librarian"? Does that
>mean he is a librarian who gives you head?
Hahaha Fred is so funny and original!
No, he is a librarian who *takes* your head if you are not careful, Cherry pie.
*sunbird*
>How many stooges do you have, Swift? That makes two you have come up with
>within two days. First you get this "Head Librarian" character to harass
>me, and then you get your homophile friend Susan Garvin to harass me.
>By the way, why does this person name himself "Head Librarian"? Does that
>mean he is a librarian who gives you head?
I'd be willing to bet that hardly anyone would care _why_ you disappeared.
*sunbird*
Joseph B. Dunphy
Oh, you crazy kids, with this spamming thing you're doing these days !
It's just too much excitement for us old folks in grad school.
Please notice that I've trimmed the followup-to line.
Will EVERYONE agree to honor this ?
Fred Cherry (jo...@usa.net) wrote:
: In Message-ID: <jhaartti....@vipunen.hut.fi>
: Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.flame,aus.flame
: Subject: Re: Fred Cherry -- net abuser!
: Date: 6 Sep 95 21:14:04 GMT
: jhaa...@vipunen.hut.fi (Head Librarian) wrote:
: >Koput, is Fred Cherry one of your aliases?
: >
: >I know you can forge your headers, Koput. But how WELL can you do it?
: >
: >Look, I'm not saying that this Fred Cherry is you. I'm not a fool.
: >But *HE COULD BE YOU*, right? I mean, just to look at those 'interesting'
: >newsgroups where he is posting his articles...
: >
: >Actually, the question was following:
: >
: >Do you know this Fred Cherry? Got some ideas from him, Jim?
: How many stooges do you have, Swift? That makes two you have come up with
: within two days. First you get this "Head Librarian" character to harass
: me, and then you get your homophile friend Susan Garvin to harass me.
: By the way, why does this person name himself "Head Librarian"? Does that
: mean he is a librarian who gives you head?
: *************************************************************************