Usenet Fruitcake
themadmailer on BIX
In Message-ID: <3899lq$k...@freenet.hut.fi>
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Usenet Fruitcake
Date: 21 Oct 1994 20:52:10 GMT
bj...@mail.freenet.hut.fi (Bjvrn Palmen) wrote:
>Get off this newsgroup. You are not wanted here.
Nazis like you are not wanted HERE. Since you are from Finland, I would
like other people from Finland or nearby countries to inform me on the
prevalence of nazism there.
For the benefit of those people who have not been following the ongoing
controversy between me and this "gentleman", this is why I accuse him of
nazism. On Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:05:31 GMT, Message-ID:
<CxoL9...@world.std.com>, Subject: Re: homphobia, someone had written the
following:
---------------------------------snip---------------------------------
>>You're in the wrong thread, stupid.
>>Can't you do anything right?
>>Six days ago, you double posted, now this.
>>jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
>AND YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A FILTHY ROTTEN STINKING JEW
>ASSHOLE
>Ken
I RECANT THIS, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT I LET MYSELF GET LOW ENOUGH TO POST
SUCH RUBBISH.
I HAVE NO EXCUSES
I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBITLITY FOR SUCH RUBBISH THAT I POSTED.
I CAN BLAME NO ONE BUT MYSELF
I APOLOGISE
KEN
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Palmen then posted a follow-up message (Message-ID:
<37qgd0$6...@freenet.hut.fi>, Newsgroups: alt.homosexual, Subject: Re:
homphobia, Date: 16 Oct 1994 06:14:56 GMT), in which he said:
------------------------------snip-------------------------------------
On the contrary Ken,
I think you were much too nice to this "Fresh Cherry/First John/Mad May Leer!"
After all, he is pestering the whole world with his ramblings and
rantings instead of seeking the care he so obviously needs.
There is not one iota of sense in his often quite offensive,
overtly homophobic tirades. He thinks gay people try to hinder
him from going to women prostitutes! He still lives in the past
and posts material from the seventies like it was fresh.
There is no excuse for such behavior, it is not acceptable here.
So don't apologize.
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So, if that isn't nazism, then what else is it? I have said this before,
and I will say it again. Hatred of Jews is quite popular in the gay
community of the United States. Much more so than among heterosexuals. I
would like to know if the same thing is true of Finland.
jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
Daniel B. Holzman
themadmailer on BIX <themad...@BIX.com> wrote:
>
>[anti-semitic flame by Ken deleted]
>
>
>[abject apology by Ken for anti-semitic remark deleted.]
>
>Palmen then posted a follow-up message (Message-ID:
><37qgd0$6...@freenet.hut.fi>, Newsgroups: alt.homosexual, Subject: Re:
>homphobia, Date: 16 Oct 1994 06:14:56 GMT), in which he said:
>
>------------------------------snip-------------------------------------
>
>On the contrary Ken,
>I think you were much too nice to this "Fresh Cherry/First John/Mad May Leer!"
>
>After all, he is pestering the whole world with his ramblings and
>rantings instead of seeking the care he so obviously needs.
>
>There is not one iota of sense in his often quite offensive,
>overtly homophobic tirades. He thinks gay people try to hinder
>him from going to women prostitutes! He still lives in the past
>and posts material from the seventies like it was fresh.
>
>There is no excuse for such behavior, it is not acceptable here.
>
>So don't apologize.
>
>-----------------------------------snip-------------------------------
>
>So, if that isn't nazism, then what else is it? I have said this before,
>and I will say it again. Hatred of Jews is quite popular in the gay
>community of the United States. Much more so than among heterosexuals. I
>would like to know if the same thing is true of Finland.
So, um... are you saying he's a Nazi because he thinks you're a twit?
That would certainly be a definition consistent with your "if you don't
agree with me, you're a homosexual" line of reasoning, and equally
fallacious.
Nor is hatred of Fred Cherry the same thing as hatred of Jews.
Get a grip.
>
>jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
>
>
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>I have said that the North American Man/Boy Love Association,
>an organization of homosexual child-molesters, changes the sexual
>orientation of boys from heterosexual to homosexual.
Do you have any proof of this wild and unsourced claim?
Rod
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Jyrki Oraskari
: Nazis like you are not wanted HERE. Since you are from Finland, I would
: like other people from Finland or nearby countries to inform me on the
: prevalence of nazism there.
I think here in Finland here is only a small group of people who
thinks they are nazi and they are mostly keen of the uniforms,
which means, it is not a question about nazism, it's just a uniform
feticism. Nobody thinks they are to be considered dangerous, at
least yet. And, I think, nazism is still illegal in Finland.
I know some jews here in Helsinki area and I haven't heard
they have had any problems here. One of my friends is a jew.
I think I should know...
And, this Helsinki area is a rather tolerant area. Rather
seldom here is some nuts going aroind.
Jykke
BTW. Bjorn is OK. I know him.
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Fred Cherry
In Message-ID: <38cg3l$s...@Venus.mcs.com>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet,alt.homosexual,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.mens-rights,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.christnet.sex,alt.christnet.bible,alt.feminism,soc.men,alt.sex,alt.politics.sex,eunet.politics,sfnet.keskustelu.seksi
Subject: Re: Usenet Fruitcake
Date: 22 Oct 1994 21:00:21 -0500
hol...@MCS.COM (Daniel B. Holzman) wrote:
>So, um... are you saying he's a Nazi because he thinks you're a twit?
No, I'm saying he's a Nazi because he thinks that calling me: "NOTHING BUT
A FILTHY ROTTEN STINKING JEW ASSHOLE" doesn't go far enough. He thinks that
this is: "much too nice to this "Fresh Cherry/First John/Mad May Leer!""
>That would certainly be a definition consistent with your "if you don't
>agree with me, you're a homosexual" line of reasoning, and equally
>fallacious.
Why don't you stop this nonsense? You and he are both homosexuals. You have
proclaimed this fact numerous times.
In case you have forgotten, this entire controversy arose because both you
and he are passionate defenders of the North American Man/Boy Love
Association. I have said that the North American Man/Boy Love Association,
an organization of homosexual child-molesters, changes the sexual
orientation of boys from heterosexual to homosexual. Palmen has called me a
liar for saying this. Here is the proof that it is true. In the JERSEY
JOURNAL, "Newsstand Edition", dated 6/17/82, page 1. The story there
describes how a group of NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
members formed a phony "Big Brother" group. Members of this phony "Big
Brother" group then searched out young boys with no father in the home and
then convinced the mothers of those boys that the phony group was a genuine
"Big Brother" organization whose purpose was to help the boys. None of the
boys had had previous homosexual experience. The boys were taken on genuine
fishing and camping trips. But they were also brainwashed and seduced into
homosexual activity.
jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
Daniel B. Holzman
>
>>So, um... are you saying he's a Nazi because he thinks you're a twit?
>
>No, I'm saying he's a Nazi because he thinks that calling me: "NOTHING BUT
>A FILTHY ROTTEN STINKING JEW ASSHOLE" doesn't go far enough. He thinks that
>this is: "much too nice to this "Fresh Cherry/First John/Mad May Leer!""
I see. When he moves from wanting harsher insults of you to wanting to
have you and all other Jews killed, come back and tell us he's a Nazi.
In the meantime, take it personally.
>Why don't you stop this nonsense? You and he are both homosexuals. You have
>proclaimed this fact numerous times.
Please provide a quote of my ever proclaiming myself to be homosexual.
My wife will be very interested to learn this.
>In case you have forgotten, this entire controversy arose because both you
>and he are passionate defenders of the North American Man/Boy Love
>Association.
I am? And here I thought they'd look good at the bottom of a lake. Can
you provide quotes of my defending NAMBLA?
>I have said that the North American Man/Boy Love Association,
>an organization of homosexual child-molesters, changes the sexual
>orientation of boys from heterosexual to homosexual. Palmen has called me a
>liar for saying this. Here is the proof that it is true. In the JERSEY
>JOURNAL, "Newsstand Edition", dated 6/17/82, page 1. The story there
>describes how a group of NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)
>members formed a phony "Big Brother" group. Members of this phony "Big
>Brother" group then searched out young boys with no father in the home and
>then convinced the mothers of those boys that the phony group was a genuine
>"Big Brother" organization whose purpose was to help the boys. None of the
>boys had had previous homosexual experience. The boys were taken on genuine
>fishing and camping trips. But they were also brainwashed and seduced into
>homosexual activity.
Being seduced into homosexual activity is not the same thing as being
homosexual. How many of these boys continued to be homosexual of their
own accord afterwards? How does that rate compare to a randomly selected
group of boys who weren't in this "program"? Unless you can show that
this made it more likely for them to be homosexual, you cannot validly
conclude that it made the boys homosexual.
Hint: If a boy was seduced into homosexual activity (i.e. raped) here,
and goes on to be heterosexual, they are not homosexual.
Jyrki Oraskari
: Nazis like you are not wanted HERE. Since you are from Finland, I would
: like other people from Finland or nearby countries to inform me on the
: prevalence of nazism there.
I think here in Finland here is only a small group of people who
thinks they are nazi and they are mostly keen of the uniforms,
which means, it is not a question about nazism, it's just a uniform
feticism. Nobody thinks they are to be considered dangerous, at
least yet. And, I think, nazism is still illegal in Finland.
I know some jews here in Helsinki area and I haven't heard
they have had any problems here. One of my friends is a jew.
I think I should know...
And, this Helsinki area is a rather tolerant area. Rather
seldom here are some nuts going around.
Bob Martynec
In article <38kh4g$8...@panix.com> jo...@panix.com (Fred Cherry) writes:
>From: jo...@panix.com (Fred Cherry)
>Subject: Re: Usenet Fruitcake
>Date: 25 Oct 1994 23:06:56 -0400
>I have said that the North American Man/Boy Love Association,
>an organization of homosexual child-molesters, changes the sexual
>orientation of boys from heterosexual to homosexual.
This must be stopped! And while we're at it, let's stop all these nasty
little girls who seduce all those innocent homosexual boys into becoming
heterosexuals.
Bob
Peter Skaliks
> So, if that isn't nazism, then what else is it? I have said this before,
> and I will say it again. Hatred of Jews is quite popular in the gay
> community of the United States. Much more so than among heterosexuals. I
> would like to know if the same thing is true of Finland.
Get off the pot John. When you go out of your way for months on end to
irritate people and heap abuse on them, don't feign outrage or surprise
when they respond in kind. In defense of both Ken and Bjorn, both have
been EXTREMELY patient with the steady stream of crap you like to spew
forth. Although racial or ethnic slurs are obviously NOT to be
encouraged, they are certainly no worse than the stuff you fling
regularly.
When you piss into the wind John, expect to get some on your trousers.
Esa-Pekka Keskitalo
Jews, Nazis and gays in Finland I may give some enlightment.
There are about 1,000 Jewish Finns. (Total population of Finland
is 5,000,000.) Most of them live in metropolitan area; there is a
synagogue in Helsinki, as well as a Jewish school.
You can see that it does not make sense to be an antisemitist here.
Few "Neonazi" groups do exist, but they are unbelievably pathetic, the
whole lot of them. They claim incredible numbers of members (meaning
that they talk about hundreds, when it is more like two dosen). Their
main activity appears to be to produce stickers with xenophobic slogans.
Recently I saw a TV documentary about one of these groups,
introducing among others "Reichsfuehrer" in spe, mr. Pekka Siitoin.
He and all the others stressed, that they have nothing against Finnish
Jews or Romanys. They merely wanted to throw all "fake refugees" out of
the country. Somehow I fail to be afraid of them. I wonder if they tie
their shoelaces themselves.
Esa-Pekka Keskitalo
esa-pekka...@helsinki.fi
University of Helsinki
Fred Cherry
In Message-ID: <38q2jf$6...@freenet.hut.fi>
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: More lies from Fred Cherry (should be "the truth from Fred Cherry")
Date: 28 Oct 1994 05:35:43 GMT
bj...@mail.freenet.hut.fi (Bjvrn Palmen) wrote:
>(complete garbage sent to 57 (!) newsgroups deleted)
Can't you get anything right, stupid? It was 14 newsgroups, not 57. There
have been postings sent to more newsgroups than that without any
unfavorable comment.
>> The boys were taken on genuine fishing and camping trips.
>> But they were also brainwashed and seduced into homosexual activity.
>...
>> jo...@panix.com,a.k.a.the...@bix.com
>It is anybody's guess how this soup of letters could be one "Fred Cherry".
>But to address the point:
>Nobody can really be 'brainwashed' or 'seduced' to change his/her
>sexual orientation.
It is the easiest thing in the world to brainwash and/or seduce children. I
have pointed this out to you before. Do you think by repeating the same
nonsense you are going to silence me? You are just following in the
footsteps of your mentor Joseph Goebbels who believed in the "Big Lie."
>So stop your lies, and get off these 57 newsgroups.
Why don't you go into the alt.skinheads newsgroup? That's the Nazi
newsgroup. You can tell them there that after someone had called me:
"NOTHING BUT A FILTHY ROTTEN STINKING JEW ASSHOLE", and later apologized,
you told the person who apologized that he shouldn't have apologized.
They'll LOVE you in that Nazi newsgroup.
>Are you a man or a ketchup?
Why don't you go into the alt.ketchup newsgroup and find out?
jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
Bruce Garrett
>> Nobody can really be 'brainwashed' or 'seduced' to change his/her
>> sexual orientation.
FC> It is the easiest thing in the world to brainwash and/or seduce
FC> children.
Is this the voice of experience I'm hearing..?
Getting someone into the sack is one thing...moving the focus of
their desire, another.
--
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Cockeysville, MD. / \ Disclaimer: I do not speak for the homosexual
conspiracy. I only work here.
Ogle Scott K
> In article <37jc4d$h...@hermes.unt.edu>, iz...@jove.acs.unt.edu (Ogle Scott K) wrote:
> >> >>In Message-ID: <Fu3oTc...@uunet.ca!skaliks>
> >> >>Newsgroups: alt.christnet,alt.christnet.bible,alt.homosexual,alt.sex.homosexual,alt.recovery
> >> >>Subject: Re: Homosexuals
> >> >>Date: Tue, 04 Oct 94 19:23:50 EDT
> >> >>Peter Skaliks <uunet.ca!skaliks!hps> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>With all due respect Shane, there isn't a single documented case of the
> >> >>>sexual orientation of a person being changed. People can stop having sex,
> >> >>>they can even have sex which goes against the grain of their basic
> >> >>>constitution, but they cannot change their orientation.
> >This is not true. There is a well known contemporary Christian musician,
> >by the name of Dennis Jernigan who's life was transformed by the grace
> >of God and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He was formerly of
> >homosexual orientation, became heterosexual.
> Not true, he has repressed his orientation in order to to appear heterosexual
> to conform to the rules of Christianity. he is not free he is in bodage
> Ken
--
This man is not in bondage, but he is free of his sin. He is married and
has several children. He tours regularly and has several CD's out. His
heart and life is changed. It is not a rule that we appear heterosexual,
it is a desire, as a Christian, to live a life following Jesus, free of
sin.
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Scott Dorsey
>In article <37jc4d$h...@hermes.unt.edu>,
>Ogle Scott K <iz...@jove.acs.unt.edu> wrote:
>>This is not true. There is a well known contemporary Christian musician,
>>by the name of Dennis Jernigan who's life was transformed by the grace
>>of God and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He was formerly of
>>homosexual orientation, became heterosexual.
>
>
> He now feels *really* guilty after going barhopping, and doesn't
>tell his girlfriend that he's boinking the roadies.
>
> Four years from now he'll cast himself from a height, shouting
>for G-d to save him from his unnatural urges. And St. Peter will
>make a pass at him when he reaches the pearly gates.
I just want to say that this image caused me to laugh so hard that I
spilled red fuming nitric acid on my shoes. Thank you, Tim.
--scott
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(Newsgroups trimmed, to only relevant groups.)
And thus sayeth THEMADMAILER ON BIX unto BILL STUART:
TOB>On the other hand, the North American Man/Boy Love Association, an
TOB>organization of homosexual child-molesters ("boy-lovers" they call
TOB>themselves), changes the sexual orientation of boys from heterosexual to
TOB>homosexual.
First off, pedophilia and homosexuality and pedophilia are inherently
different. Second, sexual orientation is innate and immutable, and thus
cannot be changed.
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[ And wrote again, so forgive the deletia ]
[ First arguement deleted, as it was as much fun as...
>>
>>[Stuff about Koran [Quran?] deleted, also about the Hadith, because
>>arguing about religious books has no results *anywhere*]
That. ]
>> I dunno. Maybe a Usenet fruitcake would help the tranny in my
>>'77 Cadillac.
Btw, it didn't. Blew a hole in the radiator instead.
>>
>>>"If God wanted us to shut up, he wouldn't have given us tongues. If he
>>>wanted us to spout nonsense he wouldn't have given us a conscience or
>>>brains. Which one did he forget in your case?" General Smedley Butler USMC
>>
>> If God had wanted women to run around with no clothes on, we all
>>would have been born stark naked.
>>
>u obviously mistake what you would do for what I would do. Trying to
>dissuade another from sin is not imposing an action on them. If you
It isn't forcible. But is arrogant, obnoxious, and truly asinine
when you continue to do so after being clearly informed of the relative
merits of your claims to being "right".
>don't like being told you are sinning, then you can ignore me. On the
>other hand you light learn something by opening your mind a little. I
>sit and read your arguments, weigh what I beleive, etc. I then either
>stpo believeing something or am strengthened in my beliefs.
"Trying to dissuade another from sin" is equal to "Trying to
dissuade another from what he or she believes". It's fantastically
arrogant, espcially when carried out with the assistance of organizations
that follow the very principle you espouse (Namely, certain goverments
that hold their mandate by coercing the populace into a state religion)
>Second, it is not what Muhammed said, it is what I beleive God said. If
>you don't think that I should believe it, you can try to dissuade me
>otherwise. I also can ont listen or listen, as can you.
I will not attempt to argue with what you belive, I won't even
try to dissuade you from it. It's your belief. I will only argue with
you when you will not do so much for me.
>It is unfortunate that someone disagreeing with you is so upsetting. But
>the argumetn that thinking things should be differnt than you do and
>trying to make them that way is hate is rather puerile.
Is this not exactly what you are doing? Enjoy yourselves.
>As to the degradation of human beings, reducing them to machines whose
>highest calling is to satisfy whatever physical urge that they happen to
>have is more degrading to the uman spirit and toe the most complex and
>marvelous creation of God.
Where did that come from? If anything is mechanical in humanity,
it is the automatic response to a behavior because "The Program" (Be it
Quran, Bible, or Bhagvitad Gita) told me to.
>You deserve by your humanity and everyone elses to be respected, loved,
>and honored. Please extend that to others as well.
Thank you. Please keep yourselves, and thy religion, in such an
honorable fashion. Namely, accept that what we believe is as valid as
what you believe, as be so polite as not to struggle to impose thy
beliefs upon us.
>As to religious texts, don't confuse those who make up their mind and
>use religion to justify what they do with those who use it to find
>better ways to live. I note that I merely clarified the general
>misrepresentations of Islam present here in the US. You may not like
>what I beleive, and you probalbly, based on your post, believe
>differently, but at least my faith, while requiring me to try and cahnge
>your mind, specifically rquires me to _not_ impose my will on you. The
This is simply oxymoronic. You are *required* to try to change
me, but also required *not* to change me?
>tragedy for some of is that the preaching of tolerance by some others is
>merely a newer and nastier form of intolerance.
Perhaps we should strive for a definition of 'tolerance'. I
would begin by defining it as "Respecting all beliefs that humankind
posesses as equal to my own."
And as that follows, one cannot be certain of "right" in convincing
someone of something other that what he believed, for what he believed was as
probably as right as what you convinced him of. Therefore, the convincer is
as likely to be wrong as he or she is to be right. Belief cancels out of
the equation, as it is equal on both sides.
"Don't tell me what is right - I already know. Convince me
otherwise, you have convinced me that wrong = right."
Metaphorically,
Scrounger
Ronald M. Hopkins-Lutz
Well, I'm wiling to agree to disagree. You can keep ignoring me and I'll
keep trying to get you to stop doing that stuff. But I won't apologize for or
stop believeing that some values are better than others. If you read any of
my other posts here I hope you won't let our disagreement in this area keep
you from considering the ideas or comments I may make on thier merits.
For now, I've been ignoring too many other things responding to some things
in this thread.
BTW, I still need to know what to do with that fruitcake.
--
"The peace of Allah be with you and in your heart."
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Björn Palmen
> ... I wonder if the expression, "Are you a man or a ketchup?"
> is an idiomatic Finnish expression that lost something in the translation.
I was referring to the fact that the wellknown Heinz ketchup is one of
'Heinz' 57 varieties'. The Cherry ketchup flowed in 57 newsgroups.
;-)
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Speaking as one of those nasty little girls, here, here. ;-)
Fred Cherry
>Speaking as one of those nasty little girls, here, here. ;-)
Speaking as a nasty big boy, I would like to know:
WHERE? WHERE?
jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
Donn F. Pedro
: Don't you homos know the difference between an _ad hominem_ attack and a
: discussion of facts?
Thank you for the demonstration.
: All I did was mention the fact that the North American
: Man/Boy Love Association, an organization of homosexual child-molesters,
: changes the orientation of young boys from heterosexual to homosexual.
You cannot change anyone's orientation. They are what the are.
Please practice a little critical thinking before lobbing something
like this out into the forum.
: Any time any het says anything derogatory about the North American Man/Boy
: Love Association, you homos go ape.
^^^^^^^^^
ad hominem: Thanks for the demonstration.
Anyway ... Wanna bet. I know plenty of homosexuals who *hate* NAMBLA
and what they claim to stand for. The problem is clueless people
who say NAMBLA-all homosexuals.
Rod Swift
>Don't you homos know the difference between an _ad hominem_ attack and a
>discussion of facts?
But *is* it fact?
>All I did was mention the fact that the North American
>Man/Boy Love Association, an organization of homosexual child-molesters,
>changes the orientation of young boys from heterosexual to homosexual.
As I said: *Is* this a fact? Do you have evidence?
>Any time any het says anything derogatory about the North American Man/Boy
>Love Association, you homos go ape.
I "go ape" when you make the disparaging remark that gays "choose"
their orientation. I don't care what you say about NAMBLA. I
would like to know your source of your previous statements that
ALL gays choose their orientation.
I, for one, did not. Neither did my partner. And for all I
know, neither did ANY of the people who are gay who have replied
to you said they *chose* to be gay.
>Yours contemptuously,
Your contempt, Fred, is nothing that we *haven't* noticed. Your
ineptitude for providing true and accurate statements is JUST one
of the areas where your contemptuous behaviour shows.
Rod Swift
>Anyway ... Wanna bet. I know plenty of homosexuals who *hate* NAMBLA
>and what they claim to stand for. The problem is clueless people
>who say NAMBLA-all homosexuals.
I am against the principles of NAMBLA which involve lowering the
age-limit for consent to LOWER than heterosexual sex.
John Lawrence Rutledge
>Don't you homos know the difference between an _ad hominem_ attack and a
>changes the orientation of young boys from heterosexual to homosexual.
Many societies have generally practiced what NAMBLA is advocating. The
Ancient Greeks and several tribes in Africa are just a few examples
of cultures were is was normal for adult males to have sex with younger
males. The younger males did not become homosexual. When they
grew up they married women and had children.
These societies also had a very different view of this kind of
homosexuality. First off, they did not consider these acts to be
homosexual. And, most of them were against man-man marriages.
Just look at history, Mr. Cherry, and you will find that this fear
is totally unfounded.
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> In article <398njf$2...@panix.com>, Fred Cherry <jo...@panix.com> wrote:
> >Don't you homos know the difference between an _ad hominem_ attack and a
> >discussion of facts? All I did was mention the fact that the North American
> >Man/Boy Love Association, an organization of homosexual child-molesters,
> >changes the orientation of young boys from heterosexual to homosexual.
> Many societies have generally practiced what NAMBLA is advocating. The
> Ancient Greeks and several tribes in Africa are just a few examples
> of cultures were is was normal for adult males to have sex with younger
> males. The younger males did not become homosexual. When they
> grew up they married women and had children.
> These societies also had a very different view of this kind of
> homosexuality. First off, they did not consider these acts to be
> homosexual. And, most of them were against man-man marriages.
> Just look at history, Mr. Cherry, and you will find that this fear
> is totally unfounded.
Mr Rutledge, I didn't like your example of Greeks (ancient or not) .....
This conversation pisses me off, can you please (everybody) take it away from
eunet.politics.
Stefan
3qj5r...@vms.csd.mu.edu
All members of nambla should be taken to a ditch and have a bullet placed
between the eyes.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
Heather Downs
>All members of nambla should be taken to a ditch and have a bullet placed
>between the eyes.
Yeah, and they should have to stare at it ALL DAY until they go
cross-eyed, and if they try to get out of the ditch before that,
they should also have a peanut placed on their nose.
Heather Downs (rel...@netcom.com)
Jyrki Havia
> Don't you homos know the difference between an _ad hominem_ attack and a
> discussion of facts? All I did was mention the fact that the North American
> Man/Boy Love Association, an organization of homosexual child-molesters,
[Joo, tiedän, tähän ei pitäisi reagoida...]
Voisitteko pitää tämän paskan siellä minne se kuuluu, eli päänne
sisällä. Tai siirtykää sähköpostin käyttäjiksi. Tai poistakaa
ainakin sfnet.keskustelu.seksi jakelusta. Kiitos.
[Yes, I know, I should keep my mouth shut...]
Could you keep this piece of shit where it belongs, namely inside
of your heads. Or change to use mail instead of news. Or at least
remove sfnet.keskustelu.seksi from "Newsgroups". Please.
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Thomas C. Hartman
>Newsgroups: alt.christnet,alt.homosexual,alt.recovery,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.mens-rights,
>Subject: Re: Usenet Fruitcake
>Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 17:51:51 EDT
>Peter Skaliks <uunet.ca!skaliks!hps> wrote:
>>themad...@BIX.com (themadmailer on BIX) writes:
>Don't you homos know the difference between an _ad hominem_ attack and a
>discussion of facts? All I did was mention the fact that the North American
>Man/Boy Love Association, an organization of homosexual child-molesters,
>changes the orientation of young boys from heterosexual to homosexual.
While I am no fan of NAMBLA, I ask you how exactly does NAMBLA "change the
[sexual] orientation of young boys from heterosexual to homosexual"? And
since were discussing these "facts," please cite your evidence.
>Any time any het says anything derogatory about the North American Man/Boy
>Love Association, you homos go ape.
Nice how you generalize each time you say "you homos." I have no problem with
"any het saying anything derogatory about [NAMBLA]." In fact I am totally
disgusted with NAMBLA and what it stands for. The problem I would have with
this discussion of NAMBLA is the inclusion of NAMBLA with gay people in
general (as in: "you gay people all support NAMBLA" or something). NAMBLA is
an organization that promotes pedophilia and therefore has nothing to do with
gay people in general. Yet many anti-gay people enjoy using NAMBLA as a way to
say, "see, all gay people want to recruit our children."
>jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
Thom
CORBETT
: After watching this conversation for a few days, I feel compelled to
: intervene. To the liberal radicals who try to force the world to
: accept homosexuality as normal human behavior: read the recent TIME
: magazine article on Sex in America. One of the most credible research
: reports on the subject, it clearly shows the extremely low percentage of
: homosexuals in the world (much lower than the often repeated 1 in 10).
More credible than what other reputable source?
: Homosexual behavior is clearly in contradiction with the beliefs of a
: great majority of humanity.
Have you personally spoken with this great majority?
: towards condoning further radical behavior: men and women having more
: than one spouse, sex with animals, etc. Asking society to accept two men
: living together as "mommy and daddy" is no less radical than accepting
: that some 45 year old male plumber is having sex with his neighbors
: 10 year old daughter. Such themes, combined with data such as the future
: containment of the AIDS virus in homosexual mediums will be just some of
: the evidence that unchecked liberalism will result in the destruction of
: society.
Are you kidding?? HOW can you (or anyone else) compare consensual sexual
activity between two or more consenting adults with pedophilia? Are you that
ignorant?
Destruction of society? Emboldened rhetoric such as that is what destroying
our society...fostering a sense of bias using 'societal norms' as a touch-
stone.
Cale Corbett
--
"Never underestimate the role of stupidity in the course of human events"
- Dr. James Moore
Keith Justified And Ancient Cochran
Lehto Lance <l15...@proffa.cc.tut.fi> wrote:
>To the liberal radicals who try to force the world to
>accept homosexuality as normal human behavior: read the recent TIME
>magazine article on Sex in America.
Been there, done that. Do you have a point?
>One of the most credible research
>reports on the subject,
Yea, right. Strangers asking people chosen at random about their
sex lives.
>it clearly shows the extremely low percentage of
>homosexuals in the world (much lower than the often repeated 1 in 10).
Is this a reason to kill us?
>Homosexual behavior is clearly in contradiction with the beliefs of a
>great majority of humanity.
Is this a reason to discriminate against us?
>Accepting such behavior is the first step
>towards condoning further radical behavior: men and women having more
>than one spouse, sex with animals, etc.
What's radical about that? Over 80% of the civilizations in recorded
history engaged in polyagmy. Beastality has been occuring for all
of recorded history.
>Asking society to accept two men
>living together as "mommy and daddy" is no less radical than accepting
>that some 45 year old male plumber is having sex with his neighbors
>10 year old daughter.
I've never met two men who wanted to live together as "mommy and daddy".
Your strawman argument has no basis in reality.
>Such themes, combined with data such as the future
>containment of the AIDS virus in homosexual mediums
Homosexual psychics are the only people who are infected with HIV? You
_must_ start taking your halcion...
>will be just some of
>the evidence that unchecked liberalism will result in the destruction of
>society.
Perhaps you should read some Plato. He said the same thing.
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Heather Downs
>After watching this conversation for a few days, I feel compelled to
>intervene.
Well, aren't we the lucky ones!
>To the liberal radicals who try to force the world to
>accept homosexuality as normal human behavior: read the recent TIME
>magazine article on Sex in America. One of the most credible research
>reports on the subject, it clearly shows the extremely low percentage of
>homosexuals in the world (much lower than the often repeated 1 in 10).
Yes, and it's a Well-Known Fact that any segment of the population
numbering less than 1 in 10 has no right to live. I mean just the other
day I caught one of them left-handers trying to eat at a right-handed
only lunch counter. And last week a bunch of us beat the crap out of a
Native American who refused to sit at the back of the bus, and then we
went to burn down a synagogue.
>Homosexual behavior is clearly in contradiction with the beliefs of a
>great majority of humanity.
Yes, unlike Christianity which is universally embraced across the globe.
>Accepting such behavior is the first step
>towards condoning further radical behavior: men and women having more
>than one spouse, sex with animals, etc.
Tell me about it. A few years back them damn niggers started marrying
good white women, and we all know that racial purity is the last
bastion of defense against anarchy and the destruction of the family.
One thing though, I think you're over-reacting about the "more than one
spouse thing", I mean, GET SERIOUS! I know them queers are bad but ask
any Mormon or Muslim and they'll tell you that polygamy is beyond the
realm of possibility; God would never allow such evil on Earth. (Oh
sure, some left-wing rag called _New Republic_ recently mentioned that
over 80% of all cultures in the history of mankind allowed multiple
spouses, but I'm sure that's just liberal propaganda.)
>Asking society to accept two men
>living together as "mommy and daddy" is no less radical than accepting
>that some 45 year old male plumber is having sex with his neighbors
>10 year old daughter.
How true. Asking society to accept a white and a black living side by
side as "equals" instead of as master and slave was even more radical,
and therefore equally as bad as child-molestation. The specific
properties of different kinds of human interactions don't matter at
all; it makes no difference whether behavior is voluntary or
involuntary, or whether there are victims or not. Rape and slavery have
been part of society since the dawn of time, so they are good. Same-sex
marriage, quantum mechanics, antibiotics, agriculture, language, the
wheel, fire: these were all radical in their day, and are therefore as
bad as pedophilia.
>Such themes, combined with data
Wow, and you've even got some data to back you up!
>such as the future
>containment of the AIDS virus in homosexual mediums
Do you mean that, someday, only gay fortune-tellers will have HIV? I
think I heard that same data from Lon Mabon.
>will be just some of the evidence
Just "some"!? You mean there's more? As if we needed any more evidence
to draw the appropriate conclusions from your post...
>that unchecked liberalism will result in the destruction of
>society.
Right. The self-evident fact that homosexuality is directly responsible
for all hunger, wars, crime, and poverty is so obvious that I don't
know why you even bothered to mention it.
>Lance Lehto, American Civil Engineering graduate student on foreign
>student exchange in Finland.
Lance, be careful! You're in the part of the world where you could
easily get Gay Cooties by accidentally bumping into one of those
legally married same-sex couples that have taken over in some of those
nearby decadent, uncivilized northern-European countries, and destroyed
their family values. Oh, sure, the homosexual divorce rate in Denmark
is less than 0.5%, while the heterosexual divorce rate is 37%, but I
think those numbers might have been miscalculated by ignorant victims
of public school systems that don't spend enough time teaching that
homosexuality is a sin.
White^H^H^H^H^HStraight Power!
--
Heather, who thinks this was FAR too easy and suspects she has just been
trolled, but still had fun. :)
Lehto Lance
accept homosexuality as normal human behavior: read the recent TIME
magazine article on Sex in America. One of the most credible research
reports on the subject, it clearly shows the extremely low percentage of
homosexuals in the world (much lower than the often repeated 1 in 10).
towards condoning further radical behavior: men and women having more
living together as "mommy and daddy" is no less radical than accepting
that some 45 year old male plumber is having sex with his neighbors
containment of the AIDS virus in homosexual mediums will be just some of
the evidence that unchecked liberalism will result in the destruction of
society.
Lance Lehto, American Civil Engineering graduate student on foreign
student exchange in Finland.
Donn F. Pedro
: All members of nambla should be taken to a ditch and have a bullet placed
: between the eyes.
All members of the socialist party ...
All members of the Catholic Chruch ...
All fundimentalists ....
All homos ....
No one should be taken out and shot for being who they are -- the
NAZI's did that.
Now, taking a practicing pedophile out and shooting them, that is
a different matter. Predators like that harm those who cannot
consent because of the inherent power imbalance between adult and
child.
Ron Ingelevics
The readers might be interested to know that Mr. Fred Cherry has been
honoured with a nomination for Usenet Kook of the Month for October. I
don't read alt.usenet.kooks but one of the regulars from another group
that I subscribe to was also nominated and someone crossposted the list
of nominations. But, I believe that voting ends today. I'll try to
find out how our boy faired.
Good luck, Fred!
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| Our pride remembers it forever. - Chesterfield * Toronto, Ontario |
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Randy Goldberg
>read the recent TIME
>magazine article on Sex in America. One of the most credible research
>reports on the subject, it clearly shows the extremely low percentage of
>homosexuals in the world (much lower than the often repeated 1 in 10).
>Homosexual behavior is clearly in contradiction with the beliefs of a
>great majority of humanity.
This is quite a logical leap! Because only a few people DO it, everyone
else automatically DISAPPROVES or OBJECTS? You MUST tell me how you
arrived at this conclusion.
>Accepting such behavior is the first step
>towards condoning further radical behavior: men and women having more
>than one spouse, sex with animals, etc. Asking society to accept two men
>living together as "mommy and daddy" is no less radical than accepting
>that some 45 year old male plumber is having sex with his neighbors
>10 year old daughter.
Whoa. Why is it that the radical right insists on drawing parallels
between harmful destructive sexual behaviors like pedophilia, and
homosexuality? Most homosexual relationships are warm, loving, mutually
beneficial and consensual and have no bearing on anyone outside the
relationship. Pedophilia is sick, perverted and damaging to the mental
health of the child. Pedophilia should be stopped. Why do you insist
that allowing homosexuals to love each other unmolested will lead to
acceptance of horrors like pedophilia?
>Lance Lehto, American Civil Engineering graduate student on foreign
>student exchange in Finland.
A civil engineering student, interpreting medical/sociological data,
based on his reading in _Time_ magazine. I'm quite impressed with your
credentials, sir. If I show your comments to a sociologist who has read
the UofChicago "Sex in America" report, I'm assure you he would laugh
hysterically.
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* * New York Medical College * Medical Students of
* * Class of 1997 * New York
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Mats Andtbacka
[Incoherent rant mercifully deleted]
>Lance Lehto, American Civil Engineering graduate student on foreign
>student exchange in Finland.
Lance, could you do me one big favour? Please put this disclaimer at
the _top_ of your postings in the future. That way, there will be no
risk of anybody being fooled that a Finn would ever hold your opinions.
- Mats Andtbacka, Finnish civ eng student, looking for a foreign
exchange program that will NOT send him to the USA.
--
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Bruce Whealton
gold...@nymc.edu (Randy Goldberg) writes: > In article
<39e84l$8...@cc.tut.fi>, l15...@proffa.cc.tut.fi (Lehto Lance) says: > >read
the recent TIME
> >magazine article on Sex in America. One of the most credible research
> >reports on the subject, it clearly shows the extremely low percentage >>of
> >homosexuals in the world (much lower than the often repeated 1 in 10).
> >Homosexual behavior is clearly in contradiction with the beliefs of a
> >great majority of humanity.
>
> This is quite a logical leap! Because only a few people DO it, everyone
> else automatically DISAPPROVES or OBJECTS? You MUST tell me how you
> arrived at this conclusion.
also listed on the newgroup for him. Such completely illogical forms of
deductive reasoning or the halmark of rush limbaugh. He didn't even make
it through his first year of college no matter hom much he tried. Shows
you how intelligent this type of thinking and resoning is... not very. A
person with a half an ounce of deductive reasoning if they accepted
the validity of this survey in light of the many many others would only
say that the survey concluded that homosexual behavior is not practiced
by the majority. Then again neither is the rituals or customs of any other
minority ( by size and power I use that word not to connote a
lesser nature) culture.
>
> >Accepting such behavior is the first step
> >towards condoning further radical behavior: men and women having more
> >than one spouse, sex with animals, etc. Asking society to accept two >> men
> >living together as "mommy and daddy" is no less radical than accepting
> >that some 45 year old male plumber is having sex with his neighbors
> >10 year old daughter.
>
> Whoa. Why is it that the radical right insists on drawing parallels
> between harmful destructive sexual behaviors like pedophilia, and
> homosexuality? Most homosexual relationships are warm, loving, mutually
> beneficial and consensual and have no bearing on anyone outside the
> relationship. Pedophilia is sick, perverted and damaging to the mental
> health of the child. Pedophilia should be stopped. Why do you insist
> that allowing homosexuals to love each other unmolested will lead to
> acceptance of horrors like pedophilia?
Some of the radical right seems to be intelligent. So I asked a
psychologist to explain such irrational and illogical deductive reasoning
and inductive reasoning and just plain illogical thought processes. He
explained that when you opperate from the mode of fear you have a hard
time thinking in a logical manner, in applying one's intelligence to an
unbiased logical deductive or inductive conclusion. However, from the
above quote that you quoted we have a radical-right person who's jumped
the full gammet to full blown paranoid delusional thinking if he or she
actually believes this.
>
> >Lance Lehto, American Civil Engineering graduate student on foreign
> >student exchange in Finland.
>
Case in point... an intelligent person who is operating from the mode of
fear... in this case paranoid delusions. He would find an open and
receptive ear with rush limbaugh in america. Normally an engineer would
be able to apply the scientific method to his or her thinking and not
make such illogical deductive conclusions... The original quote from the
study (shown above) does not allow one to deduce what you have deduced.
Sorry to have embarrassed you, we all think in an illogical manner from time
to time.
bruce
Bruce Whealton
Bwhe...@Delphi.com
Wilmington, NC
Fred Cherry
In Message-ID: <5kuRuc...@uunet.ca!skaliks>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet,alt.homosexual,alt.recovery,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.mens-rights,
Subject: Re: Usenet Fruitcake
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 17:51:51 EDT
Peter Skaliks <uunet.ca!skaliks!hps> wrote:
>themad...@BIX.com (themadmailer on BIX) writes:
>
>> So, if that isn't nazism, then what else is it? I have said this before,
>> and I will say it again. Hatred of Jews is quite popular in the gay
>> community of the United States. Much more so than among heterosexuals. I
>> would like to know if the same thing is true of Finland.
>
>Get off the pot John. When you go out of your way for months on end to
>irritate people and heap abuse on them, don't feign outrage or surprise
>when they respond in kind. In defense of both Ken and Bjorn, both have
>been EXTREMELY patient with the steady stream of crap you like to spew
>forth. Although racial or ethnic slurs are obviously NOT to be
>encouraged, they are certainly no worse than the stuff you fling
>regularly.
>
>When you piss into the wind John, expect to get some on your trousers.
>
Don't you homos know the difference between an _ad hominem_ attack and a
discussion of facts? All I did was mention the fact that the North American
Man/Boy Love Association, an organization of homosexual child-molesters,
changes the orientation of young boys from heterosexual to homosexual.
Any time any het says anything derogatory about the North American Man/Boy
Love Association, you homos go ape. First Ken questions my sanity. In
response to that, I called Ken stupid. I had reason to call Ken stupid. He
had TWICE double-posted. Then Ken responded to that message by posting that
I am: "NOTHING BUT A FILTHY ROTTEN STINKING JEW ASSHOLE." Ken then later
apologized for that posting. Then Bjorn responded to Ken apology by
posting:
>On the contrary Ken,
>I think you were much too nice to this "Fresh Cherry/First John/Mad May Leer!"
>
>After all, he is pestering the whole world with his ramblings and
>rantings instead of seeking the care he so obviously needs.
>
>There is not one iota of sense in his often quite offensive,
>overtly homophobic tirades. He thinks gay people try to hinder
>him from going to women prostitutes! He still lives in the past
>and posts material from the seventies like it was fresh.
>
>There is no excuse for such behavior, it is not acceptable here.
>
>So don't apologize.
By the way, you, too, engage in wild _ad hominem_ attacks. Here is an
example.
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From alt.homosexual Sat Jul 9 05:02:47 1994
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~From: Peter Skaliks <uunet.ca!skaliks!hps>
~Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
~Subject: Religious crackpots
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We appear to have another religious crackpot on the scene. It is hard to
tell which of radical "Christian" crackpots or radical Jewish crackpots
is the more obnoxious.
All I can say to idiots like John1, DJK, and assorted others is to find
your entertainment elsewhere and take your morally and intellectually
bankrupt religious superstitions with you.
Incidentally, John1, Shirer was a journalist, not a historian. His book
is not taken seriously by historians or anybody who has done careful
research into this period.
The National Socialists were basically puritantical, brain-dead
individuals like yourself, who managed to put themselves into a position
in which they could implement their hate-filled, demented vision of the
"ideal world". Their ideal world was one without Jews and Gypsies, while
yours seems to be one without gays and lesbians. The only difference
between you and a Nazi John1 is that you are not in a position to
implement your program of murder and destruction.
Piss off and get out of my life already!
--------------------------------snip------------------------------------
Yours contemptuously,
jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
Lehto Lance
Your ramblings are a bit representative of one swayed by
emotion instead of reason. Take a deep breath, slow down, and stop
spitting at your CRT. It's not the source of all this "evil" in the
world. And don't forget to take your medication today. Bye the way,
what do you think about going out someday? A little bribery: I'm
gifted beyond even your ability to imagine. Don't be confused about
those feelings of attraction for me. They're natural. Just let
yourself go...
Lance. Just doing a little trolling.
Rod Swift
>In article <39e84l$8...@cc.tut.fi>, l15...@proffa.cc.tut.fi (Lehto Lance) says:
>>read the recent TIME
>>magazine article on Sex in America. One of the most credible research
>>reports on the subject, it clearly shows the extremely low percentage of
>>homosexuals in the world (much lower than the often repeated 1 in 10).
>>Homosexual behavior is clearly in contradiction with the beliefs of a
>>great majority of humanity.
>This is quite a logical leap! Because only a few people DO it, everyone
>else automatically DISAPPROVES or OBJECTS? You MUST tell me how you
>arrived at this conclusion.
He arrived at it with a lie. The "Sex In America" report found
that only one-third of people believed that homosexuality was
wrong in some way.
He says a "great majority" of humanity thinks homosexuality is
wrong. Since when was about 30% a "great" majority, or even a
"majority" at all!
Heather Downs
>Heather Honey,
Thanks for providing further evidence for my deconstruction of
homophobes as sexist bigots. And thanks for removing all pretense
that your "arguments" are anything more than purely ad hominem.
>Your ramblings are a bit representative of one swayed by
>emotion instead of reason.
As opposed to someone like you whose main thesis was, essentially,
"fags have no rights 'cause they're yucky, and if you don't like it,
tough noogies, 'cause we can beat you up"? I seeeee....
>Take a deep breath, slow down, and stop
>spitting at your CRT.
Sorry, sometimes I do that when I get laughing really hard at obvious
losers such as yourself who aren't satisfied with merely letting the
locals know how clueless they are, so feel compelled to broadcast their
inane rantings all over the world. You are truly the Global Village
Idiot.
Geez, now you've got me giggling again, thinking about the Jihad that
ought to be targeted at blasphemers who think polygamy is immoral. :)
I suppose the next thing you'll tell me is that gay marriage would
lead to RITUAL CANNIBALISM being practiced in Christian churches? We
can't have that, now, can we?
>It's not the source of all this "evil" in the
>world.
I think we all know where the evil is coming from. Computers don't spew
bigotry, people spew bigotry.
>And don't forget to take your medication today. Bye the way,
>what do you think about going out someday?
I think you'll just have to keep making do with your pathetic fantasies
and jacking off to my gifs.
>A little bribery: I'm
>gifted beyond even your ability to imagine.
Oh, yes, I'm sure. If your physical gifts are on par with your obvious
mental ones, I bet your penis is almost as big as my partner's clit.
>Don't be confused about
>those feelings of attraction for me. They're natural. Just let
>yourself go...
But.. but... I thought you said pedophilia was bad? Or would it be
classified as bestiality? I can't quite tell which by looking at you.
>Lance. Just doing a little trolling.
I'm glad to hear that! For a while there I thought you were serious,
and I was starting to feel kinda sorry for you.
Heather Downs (rel...@netcom.com)
gerry harbison
>: "I thought I was really depressed. But it turned out I was just in
>: Nebraska."
>: Gene Hackman
>I really think Gene Hackman is a great actor. But, darn it, now my
>self-esteem is in the toilet! I'm going to cry!
>: Lance
We can sue him for that these days, you know. In fact, maybe
lizkates can tell us how many people we need for a class-action suit.
(Must have been after the 1983/84 season. Jan 2 1984, everyone was
depressed.)
--
Gerry Harbison, Associate Professor of Chemistry
Official Spokesman for the University of Nebraska, Lincoln - yeah right
I know I should say no/But it's kinda hard when she's ready to go/I may be
dumb, but I'm not a dweeb/I'm just a sucker with no self-esteem - Offspring
Brendon McNamara
: Fred Cherry (jo...@panix.com) wrote:
Um, pardon me, but do any of you realize that the accusations against NAMBLA
seem to entail about a half dozen criminal felonies. Statutory rape,
endangering the welfare of a minor, conspiracy to commit a felony, etc. I'm
not sure exactly what they'd be called in your jurisdiction, but if they're
true, this group should be in jail for life!
Raping a child. And apparrantly nobody here gives a fuck.
Don't you realize why so many homophobes think that homosexuals are twisted,
perverted psychotics who should be gelded? This string is talking about
RAPING CHILDREN! Who cares what sex they were?!? RAPE!
Wake the fuck up!
.. a het. who's got many gay friends who'd be utterly disgusted with the lot
of you...
Fred Cherry
In Message-ID: <38vmht$4...@freenet.hut.fi>
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Usenet Fruitcake
Date: 30 Oct 1994 08:46:53 GMT
bj...@mail.freenet.hut.fi (Bjvrn Palmen) wrote:
>But YOU think it [homosexuality] is the same as your urge to murder
>someone. You say 'I didn't.' The irony is, that it is quite possible THAT
>YOU ACTUALLY KILLED SOMEONE with your muddled posting. How did you do it?
>Well:
>It happens that a young man commits suicide because he cannot live with
>his homosexuality, which he thinks is wrong, a sin or whatever. These
>ideas have been communicated to him by people like you.
>Your posting may have been the last straw that sent somebody just
>over the edge.
>Do you feel happy about it? Will Allah be pleased now?
>Is this YOUR way of getting satisfaction, Ronald M. Hopkins-Lutz ?
The same thing can be said about YOU, Bjorn Palmen. Your Nazism could drive
some Jewish person to suicide. Such a thing once happened. Somewhere
between fifteen and thirty years ago, there was a Jewish man by the name of
Daniel Burros. He hid his Jewish identity and became a member of the
American Nazi Party. When it was revealed that he was Jewish, he committed
suicide. Since I read about it in The New York Times, one could look it up
in The New York Times Index and read about it on microfilm, if you library
has those facilities. There was also a book written about this man titled:
ONE MORE VICTIM, and subtitled: THE LIFE AND DEATH OF AN AMERICAN JEWISH
NAZI, by Gelb and Rosenthal.
Whenever I hear of Jewish homosexuals praising Gore Vidal, the notorious
Jew-hater, I am reminded of Daniel Burros.
jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
Mats Andtbacka
>A Finn who fails to realize that his country is nothing more than a
>pimple on the ass of the world. A messenger of the "normal" behavior of
>bestiality. What!? My young philosopher, if you do not realize that
>you lie within a serious minority here, please educate yourself. We've
>got "cooties". We've got confusion about pedophilia. We've got
>insinuations of harmful inflictions upon homosexuals from my post. Sorry
>boys, but the majority finds homosexuality immoral. When you argue from
>a position of strength you really don't have to argue at all. And
>lastly, for those of you fond of quotes, we have:
>"I thought I was really depressed. But it turned out I was just in
>Nebraska."
> Gene Hackman
You know, you are starting to interest me; ad-hominems usually do, in
an odd sort of way.
On the one hand, they are utterly useless, as anybody capable of
sending them through the Internet is clearly capable of realizing;
they are nothing more than a waste of bandwidth, which will achieve
nothing apart from getting you killfiled and laughed at.
On the other hand, they are an utterly childish way of refusing
defeat, what a complete fool would resort to after running out of
arguments. Being computer-literate, you cannot be any kind of fool;
why, then, do you bother flaming?
On the third hand, I have surplus time today. I'll amuse myself by
trying to answer whatever points you might have bothered to bury in
that muck you posted...
> A messenger of the "normal" behavior of
>bestiality.
...or so you call me. This would be libel, if I bothered about it; it
is false, whether I bother or not.
I don't care about bestiality, or the "normalcy" of it. I have never
said a single word for or against it, because I have never seen reason
to. Please feel free to prove me wrong, if you can.
> if you do not realize that
>you lie within a serious minority here, please educate yourself.
I am quite aware that I am a member of several minorities; which
one(s) are you referring to? And more importantly, does that matter -
minorities are, AFAIK, still able to make valid logical arguments?
> the majority finds homosexuality immoral.
Thirty billion house flies can't possibly all be wrong, cow dung
tastes great. So much for the 'majority'.
Seriously, I am a moral and ethical relativist; to me, moral standards
are personal, and it is therefore entirely irrelevant what the
majority thinks on any given subject. Care to debate me on this?
> When you argue from
>a position of strength you really don't have to argue at all.
Might makes right, is that it? Oh, well that I can go along with; hold
on, let me just go fetch my pump-action shotgun - and where did you
say you lived again?
What I am saying is, you cannot be serious. If you think you can, do
me a favour and spend a few years as an exchange student in Iran. Come
back when you're ready to retract your statement...
If you wish to respond to this, please do so by EMail; this is no
longer appropriate for any of the groups we're clogging with it. I
already mailed you a personal copy.
Lehto Lance
pimple on the ass of the world. A messenger of the "normal" behavior of
bestiality. What!? My young philosopher, if you do not realize that
you lie within a serious minority here, please educate yourself. We've
got "cooties". We've got confusion about pedophilia. We've got
insinuations of harmful inflictions upon homosexuals from my post. Sorry
boys, but the majority finds homosexuality immoral. When you argue from
a position of strength you really don't have to argue at all. And
lastly, for those of you fond of quotes, we have:
"I thought I was really depressed. But it turned out I was just in
Nebraska."
Gene Hackman
Lance
ASPEN
: A Finn who fails to realize that his country is nothing more than a
Scrounger
>Well, I'm wiling to agree to disagree. You can keep ignoring me and I'll
[ Whatever ]
>BTW, I still need to know what to do with that fruitcake.
Keep it away from my car. They *don't* get along at all well.
Motorcycling,
Scrounger
Thomas C. Hartman
>Donn F. Pedro (dfp...@nv2.uswnvg.com) wrote:
>: Fred Cherry (jo...@panix.com) wrote:
>: : All I did was mention the fact that the North American
>: : Man/Boy Love Association, an organization of homosexual child-molesters,
>: : changes the orientation of young boys from heterosexual to homosexual.
>: You cannot change anyone's orientation. They are what the are.
>: Please practice a little critical thinking before lobbing something
>: like this out into the forum.
>: : Any time any het says anything derogatory about the North American Man/Boy
>: : Love Association, you homos go ape.
^^^^^^^^^
>: ad hominem: Thanks for the demonstration.
>: Anyway ... Wanna bet. I know plenty of homosexuals who *hate* NAMBLA
>: and what they claim to stand for. The problem is clueless people
>: who say NAMBLA-all homosexuals.
>Um, pardon me, but do any of you realize that the accusations against NAMBLA
>seem to entail about a half dozen criminal felonies. Statutory rape,
>endangering the welfare of a minor, conspiracy to commit a felony, etc. I'm
>not sure exactly what they'd be called in your jurisdiction, but if they're
>true, this group should be in jail for life!
Of course I realize this. And anyone who commits these crimes should go to jail
or worse. But you can't send members of any group to jail unless those members
commit a crime.
>Raping a child. And apparrantly nobody here gives a fuck.
>Don't you realize why so many homophobes think that homosexuals are twisted,
>perverted psychotics who should be gelded? This string is talking about
>RAPING CHILDREN! Who cares what sex they were?!? RAPE!
>Wake the fuck up!
>.. a het. who's got many gay friends who'd be utterly disgusted with the lot
>of you...
You're an idiot. You obviously haven't read my posts or Donn's post above to
which you responded.
Here, I'll spell it out for you:
I am no fan of NAMBLA. This group endorses rape, exploitation, etc. of
children. In fact, if it weren't for the 1st Amendment, I wouldn't be sorry
if NAMBLA was dismantled. Anyway, I hope that anyone convicted of these crimes
whether NAMBLA members or not, get their just desserts.
P.S. I resent it when some anti-gay people equate NAMBLA with all gay people.
I also resnt it when an idiot like you assumes that gay people on usenet
are big friends of NAMBLA, especially when we post statements of loathing
and disassociation from NAMBLA.
Thom
Antti A Lahelma
>A Finn who fails to realize that his country is nothing more than a
>pimple on the ass of the world.
Yeah, why don't you start a little hate campaign on Finns too, just in
case. I mean, we're a minority, and minorities are, well, immoral, right?
Must be if the majority thinks so. Just hope you don't some day wake up
and find that you're suddenly a part of some minority yourself; who knows,
may be the mobs will next pick civil engineers as their pet hate. Oh, and
may be you should consider applying for Chinese citizenship; you see,
Americans aren't exactly a majority on a global scale either.
Follow-ups set to alt.usenet.kooks. Please stay there.
LVX,
--
Antti Lahelma GNOTHI SEAUTON "Tragedy is the farce that involves our
alah...@cc.helsinki.fi TUNNE ITSESI sympathies: farce is the tragedy that
University of Helsinki KNOW THYSELF happens to outsiders." --Aldous Huxley
Elf Sternberg
bm...@bu.edu (Brendon McNamara) writes:
>Um, pardon me, but do any of you realize that the accusations
>against NAMBLA seem to entail about a half dozen criminal felonies.
>Statutory rape, endangering the welfare of a minor, conspiracy to
>commit a felony, etc. I'm not sure exactly what they'd be called in
>your jurisdiction, but if they're true, this group should be in jail
>for life!
"If they're true..." Therein lies the key of your argument,
Brendon. As has been pointed out too many times, NAMBLA per se has
*never* been implicated in the comission of criminal paedophilia.
That certain individuals within the organization are able to
associate, and make contact through NAMBLA, to commit criminal acts,
even conspiracy, is not NAMBLA's fault. From their position papers,
NAMBLA actively discourages statuatory rape, endagering the welfare
of a minor, and conspiracy. They can't *police* their members from
committing these acts short of expelling them should they be shown
actively committing these acts.
"If they're true..." Unfortunately for you, unless you think
that "advocating a re-examination of the age-of-consent laws and an
ultimate lowering of the age-of-consent" is synonymous with your list
of crimes, they're not.
Elf !!!
--
e...@halcyon.com Another victim of involuntary performance art.
Public key available http://www.halcyon.com/elf/elf_sternberg.html
Steven J. Crisp
: That certain individuals within the organization are able to
: associate, and make contact through NAMBLA, to commit criminal acts,
: even conspiracy, is not NAMBLA's fault. From their position papers,
: NAMBLA actively discourages statuatory rape, endagering the welfare
: of a minor, and conspiracy...
Now, let me see if I have this straight. NAMBLA actively discourages
"endangering the welfare of minors," thereby recognizing that a minor
(currently considered someone generally under the age of 18 in most
states.) Yet they hold the position that a current "minor" should have
the right to choose the open availability of homosexual liaisons with
those that are currently adults. Therefor a goal of NAMBLA is to lobby
various legislators to decrease the age of consent so that such liaisons
may take place.
So, if it is now considered by NAMBLA that sex with those under the
current statuatory legal age of consent is "endanger[ment], then why
would not the same act be considered endangerment whatever the legal age?
Any intelligent answer to this query? And, remember, you've already
separated the endangerment issue from the statutory issue by indicating
two different sets of laws - those of statutory rape and those of
endangerment.
Steve Crisp
Donn F. Pedro
: Donn F. Pedro (dfp...@nv2.uswnvg.com) wrote:
: Um, pardon me, but do any of you realize that the accusations against NAMBLA
: seem to entail about a half dozen criminal felonies. Statutory rape,
: endangering the welfare of a minor, conspiracy to commit a felony, etc. I'm
: not sure exactly what they'd be called in your jurisdiction, but if they're
: true, this group should be in jail for life!
No one should be jailed for their beliefs. Not in this country and,
hopefully, not on this planet -- eventually. This includes even
beliefs that I find repugnant.
People who commit non-consentual acts against others should be punished
and prevented from doing it again -- period.
: Raping a child. And apparrantly nobody here gives a fuck.
I do. dare to say that I don't.
: Don't you realize why so many homophobes think that homosexuals are twisted,
: perverted psychotics who should be gelded?
Yes, they are clueless idiots incable of critical thought on the
issues at hand.
: This string is talking about RAPING CHILDREN!
It is talking about it and, though I find the topic repugnant in
the extreme, it is only talk.
: Wake the fuck up!
Please do, and understand the issue before you speak to me in that
manner again.
: .. a het. who's got many gay friends who'd be utterly disgusted with the lot
: of you...
Look, you insulting little ghit. Read for content and, when you have,
return here so I can entertain you with my battles against NAMBLA
apologists in the community here in Seattle. It was costly for me
to enguage in. I paid in time, lost 'friends', and more than a bit
of conflict.
Mike Steiner
Lance, it is apparent that the only person who can possibly live up to your
ideals is yourself. You would be disappointed with anyone lesser than
yourself. So, why try to find anyone else who can meet your expectations
when they don't exist? There is only one thing that you can do to satisfy
your desire to find a suitable mate. So, don't hold back; go ahead and do
it: GO FUCK YOURSELF.
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Lehto Lance
of both houses of Congress! That's the Legislative Branch for you,
Heather. Doesn't that just make you want to sing the national anthem?
Translation for those of you sad leftists: America sent the message that
they are fed up with the extreme, radical, and liberal views and policies
of the Democratic Party and the partisin media. For too long we have seen
these attempts to force radical views upon mainstream America and package
them as moderate by enclosing them within hard to oppose robes such as
"animal rights" and "homosexual rights". The truth of the matter is that
homosexuals are not demanding equal rights, but in fact, special treatment.
By the way, Heather, I am the Vice-President of the College Republicans
at my home university, am very politically active, am strongly motivated
and opinionated, and have written a opinion column for my school
newspaper. Of course I believe my opinions to be correct and
representative of the moral and decent majority, but if I posted into
newsgroups with my opinions, I would get no response. However, if I post
into radical extreme newsgroups, then responses such as yours, though
tainted with emotion, result.
One more thing, Heather Honey. I'll let you in on a little secret that
just about everyone else accept for you already knows. They don't let
just anyone into engineering graduate school. My GPA for my two years in
grad school has been a straight 4.0. My IQ is probably higher than you
can count. Reducing yourself to questioning my intelligence simply
because you don't agree with my ideals is characteristic of an emotional
last resort. In fact, I'll tell you what I'll do. I don't do this for
just anyone, but for you, I'll make an exception. From now on, I'll do
the thinking for both of us, OK? Just relax. How about that, huh?
You don't even have to think anymore. I have got you covered.
"We kicked ass". Or something like that.
My buddy Newt, new House Speaker
Lance
Ari Kukkonen
El Tigre1 <elti...@aol.com> wrote to Mr. Lehto
in article "shut up, please!!!" (sfnet.keskustelu.seksi):
>with you, heterosexuality isn't just an orientation, it's
>a pitiful excuse for you to reaffirm your manhood by spouting out bigoted,
>small-minded, ignorant pieces of useless and inconsequential information
>about homosexuals.
I didn't see much "reaffirmation of manhood" in Lehto's
article. I think the facts He mentioned were quite correct,
and you just got pissed off about the conclusions he made about
them. But isn't that merely a matter of an opinion, and
discussing about it this "fuck-off-shut-up-way" is not very
fruitfull I'm afraid.
Hmm... I may not go so far judging homosexuality as
Lehto did, but for example about gay parent situation, I
share the idea that in many perspective it's not a good
idea and it may cause damage to children and thus sosiety. It's
a fact of life that homosexual "ideology" is not cherished
by large number of people, tough many people
nowdays _accept people_ who are gays.
> (ja jos osaat suomea--niin, painu vittuun!)
>Chris. (and if you can speak finnish---so fuck off!)
This much Finnish won't get you very far, nor the
attitude Crish (as you told us that you are planning to come here).
I tought americans were always the first to keep hi-profile
when it comes to freedom of speech/toughts 'n stuff, or have i mistaken.
--
Ari Kukkonen - bla...@uta.fi tai http://www.uta.fi/~blarku/
Taking on the whole of America single-handed?
- I'd need a lot of cornflakes to fo that. - Morrissey, June 1985
Peter Dunn
> By the way, Heather, I am the Vice-President of the College Republicans
> at my home university, am very politically active, am strongly motivated
> and opinionated, and have written a opinion column for my school
> newspaper. Of course I believe my opinions to be correct and
> representative of the moral and decent majority, but if I posted into
> newsgroups with my opinions, I would get no response. However, if I post
> into radical extreme newsgroups, then responses such as yours, though
> tainted with emotion, result.
You forgot you're also a trolling, self-indulgent dickhead with an overseas
account who smells uncomfortably like Rush Limbaugh and gets about as much
enjoyment from wasting bandwidth with reactionary drivel.
I didn't see any newsgroups that your messages are spammed to that are radical
or extreme. You're just a moron with net access that likes to annoy people and
hear himself speak.
Peter
from Colorado, where we took our electoral dump in '92
Antti A Lahelma
>America sent the message that
>they are fed up with the extreme, radical, and liberal views and policies
>of the Democratic Party and the partisin media.
The American Democratic Party would be labelled conservative and reactionary
everywhere in the civilized world except in America.
>One more thing, Heather Honey. I'll let you in on a little secret that
>just about everyone else accept for you already knows. They don't let
>just anyone into engineering graduate school.
Well, apparently they do let in people who can't even write in their
mother tongue.
>My GPA for my two years in
>grad school has been a straight 4.0. My IQ is probably higher than you
>can count. Reducing yourself to questioning my intelligence simply
>because you don't agree with my ideals is characteristic of an emotional
>last resort. In fact, I'll tell you what I'll do. I don't do this for
>just anyone, but for you, I'll make an exception. From now on, I'll do
>the thinking for both of us, OK? Just relax. How about that, huh?
>You don't even have to think anymore. I have got you covered.
Lance, you impress me: you really are a moron extraordinaire. In the four
years I've been reading the net I don't think I've ever witnessed such
sheer imbecility the above paragraph represents. Sure, there's a lot of
stupidity around, but that wasn't just ordinary stupidity, I tell you. Would
you mind if I mail some of your articles to the alt.usenet.kooks FAQ
maintainers? I think you have good chances to make to it the net.kook hall
of fame, although some more material might be needed. Are you by any chance
an established net.pest in some newsgroup (or several)? That would make your
chances better still. Imagine that, your name next to Serdar Argic's or Dan
Gannon's... right where it belongs.
Leslie Horder
>just about everyone else accept for you already knows. They don't let
>just anyone into engineering graduate school. My GPA for my two years in
>grad school has been a straight 4.0. My IQ is probably higher than you
>can count.
I have found that those with the highest IQ's etc are those with the least
common sense. I guess my questions to you are these;
1) if you are so damned smart, why do you even bother?
2) can you operate a toaster without instructions?
3) do you know what it means if I were to tell you f off?
4) if you are so smart, what makes you think we care???
Respectfully,
Leslie
STEPHANIE G. FOLSE
Lehto Lance <l15...@proffa.cc.tut.fi> wrote:
<snip> claim that homosexual behavior is unacceptable
by majority of world's population
>great majority of humanity. Accepting such behavior is the first step
First of all: the marriage of one spouse to several partners
simultaneously is called polygamy, and is VERY prevalent around
the world. The most common form is polygyny, which is one male
marrying several females.
"A whopping 84 percent of all human societies permit a man
to take more than one wife at once" (Helen Fisher, Ph.D. _The
Anatomy of Love_ [as well as any basic anthropology textbook])
At the same time, only 16 percent of societies are strictly
monogamous (one spouse at a time), so by the standards you
are applying to homosexuality -- that if the majority of the
world finds it unsuitable, it must be -- then monogamy must be
morally repugnant.
Hey, the percentage of monogamous
societies is greater than the percentage of homosexuals!
We better start crusading against two-parent families, whether
hetero or homo!
<snip> drawing parallel between two men parenting and
pedophilia
> Such themes, combined with data such as the future
>containment of the AIDS virus in homosexual mediums will be just some of
>the evidence that unchecked liberalism will result in the destruction of
>society.
It's not just AIDS. It's a number of tropical diseases that will
in the future prove disastrous to Western society. Have you heard
of Ebola? Nasty -- the mortality rate is at something like 95%.
It is not transmitted by sexual behavior, but through the air.
AIDS is just the first of many tropical diseases that Westerners
do not have immunities to. (And you saw it here first!)
Also, in many societies homosexuality is tolerated and sometimes
institutionalized -- the Greeks and Romans being the most obvious
that spring to mind. But what about the Maya of Central America,
the Han and Sung dynasties of China, the catamites of the Arabs at
about the time of the Crusades, and the strong homosexual undercurrent
in nineteenth-century British boys' education?
Moral decay does not LEAD to societies' destruction. It is a SYMPTOM
of a dying society. (I am using "moral" in the sense of "societally
accepted standards" here, and not saying whether its right or wrong)
When a society is not able to support the majority of its members
to their satisfaction, it starts to die. "Moral breakdowns" occur
as the populace starts to fish around looking for new rules and
traditions to support themselves. So, don't blame the decay of
America on homosexuals -- the true reasons go a LOT deeper.
I don't mind moral arguments for or against issues, but the person doing
the arguing had better have done some research and gotten his
facts right!
>Lance Lehto, American Civil Engineering graduate student on foreign
>student exchange in Finland.
Stephanie Folse, Anthropology graduate student not on foreign student
exchange
Elf Sternberg
py...@unity.ncsu.edu (Steven J. Crisp) writes:
>Elf Sternberg (e...@halcyon.com) wrote:
>From their position papers, NAMBLA actively discourages statuatory
>rape, endagering the welfare of a minor, and conspiracy...
>Now, let me see if I have this straight. NAMBLA actively discourages
>"endangering the welfare of minors," thereby recognizing that a minor
>(currently considered someone generally under the age of 18 in most
>states.) Yet they hold the position that a current "minor" should have
>the right to choose the open availability of homosexual liaisons with
>those that are currently adults. Therefor a goal of NAMBLA is to lobby
>various legislators to decrease the age of consent so that such liaisons
>may take place.
That a minor... what? Steven, please finish your sentences
before you go to new paragraphs. It would help if we could tell what
you were talking about.
>So, if it is now considered by NAMBLA that sex with those under the
>current statuatory legal age of consent is "endanger[ment]" then why
>would not the same act be considered endangerment whatever the legal age?
Faulty reasoning. As far as I can tell, NAMBLA does *not*
consider sex with someone under the statuatory age of consent to be
endagerment, believing instead that those under the *statuatory* age
of consent (which, by the way, I can put no firm date on, as it is
apparently different in many different countries, and in fact is
different across state boundaries within the United States) are
capable of understanding the issues which we're dicussing. On the
other hand, NAMBLA also apparently recognizes that there are statutes
in place with which they must comply, if not agree.
If I can puzzle out your logic, Steven, then *no* lobbying
group should exist, nor should a legislature, since the laws in place
are the *Law*, and nobody should ever disagree with them or wish to
see them changed. On the contrary, we (I see you have a US address)
are a nation of democratic differences, and I may willfully (if
begrudgingly) comply with the law in place while doing everything in
my power to wipe it off the books.
Fred Cherry
In Message-ID: <39auta$o...@ulowell.uml.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet,alt.homosexual,alt.recovery,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.mens-rights,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.christnet.sex,alt.christnet.bible,alt.feminism,soc.men,alt.sex,alt.politics.sex,eunet.politics,sfnet.keskustelu.seksi
Subject: Re: Usenet Fruitcake
Date: 3 Nov 1994 15:16:58 GMT
jrut...@cs.uml.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) wrote:
>Many societies have generally practiced what NAMBLA is advocating. The
>Ancient Greeks and several tribes in Africa are just a few examples
>of cultures were is was normal for adult males to have sex with younger
>males.
First of all, in ancient Greece when sex between men and boys occurred, it
didn't occur until the boys were teen-agers. NAMBLA members have sex with
boys as young as ten and even younger.
>The younger males did not become homosexual. When they grew up they
>married women and had children.
It is true that when these boys who had been sodomized grew up, they
married women and had children. It is also true that they became
homosexual. Who were the men who were sodomizing these young boys?
I have seen several T.V. talk shows in which homosexual men are married and
have children.
>Just look at history, Mr. Cherry, and you will find that this fear
>is totally unfounded.
There is something else to fear. When homosexuals achieve total power they
are very intolerant of non-homosexual life-styles. Again, lets look at
ancient Greece. The ancient Greeks oppressed the Jewish people of that time
until my Glorious Ancestors, the Maccabees, successfully revolted against
this homosexual oppression.
My source for my statement that homosexuals went through a period of
persecuting Jews is found in The First Book of the Maccabees. This is part
of "The Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha, Revised Standard
Version", New York, Oxford University Press, 1965. The same material, more
or less, may be found in the Duoay version of the Roman Catholic Bible.
Turning to page 221, (The pagination is somewhat confusing. It goes up to
page 1544 and then starts over again. I am referring to the second cycle of
pages.) it sez: "The style of 1 Maccabees is plain and straightforward and
the book is generally an excellent historical source...." The book
describes the historical events which took place at the time when the
homosexual culture of the ancient Greeks was one of the major world powers.
I will quote from pages 223, 224.
-------------------------------snip--------------------------------
Now, on the fifteenth day of Chislev, in the one hundred and forty-fifth
year, they erected a desolating sacrilege upon the altar of burnt offering.
They also built altars in the surrounding cities of Judah, and burned
incense at the doors of the houses and in the streets. The books of the law
which they found they tore to pieces and burned with fire. Where the book
of the covenant was found in the possession of any one, or if any one
adhered to the law, the decree of the king [Antiochus Epiphanes, one of the
successors of Alexander, the so-called "Alexander the Great"] condemned him
to death. They kept using violence against Israel, against those found
month after month in the cities. And on the twenty-fifth day of the month
they offered sacrifice on the altar which was the altar of burnt offering.
According to the decree, they put to death the women who had their children
circumcised, and their families and those who circumcised them; and they
hung the infants from their mothers' necks.
But many in Israel stood firm and were resolved in their hearts not to eat
unclean food [non-Kosher food]. They chose to die rather than to be defiled
by food or to profane the holy covenant; and they did die. And very great
wrath came upon Israel.
-------------------------------snip-------------------------------
On page 222 the book sets forth the fact that a gymnasium was built in
Jerusalem. Now, you have to understand just exactly what was meant by the
term "gymnasium." The ancient Greek gymnasia, like the modern homosexual
bathhouses, were primarily homosexual institutions. That's ONE of the
reasons that I say that the glorious revolution of the Maccabees was
essentially a revolution against homosexual oppression. I can continue
along this line, if you would care to learn more.
jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
Tse-Sung Wu
Excerpts on 4-Nov-94 Re: Usenet Fruitcake by Lehto La...@proffa.cc.tu
> Lance Lehto, American Civil Engineering graduate student on foreign
> student exchange in Finland.
Excerpts on 7-Nov-94 Re: Usenet Fruitcake by Lehto La...@proffa.cc.tu
>
> A Finn who fails to realize that his country is nothing more than a
> pimple on the ass of the world. A messenger of the "normal" behavior of
> Lance
What an absolutely gracious thing to say about your host country! I'm
so pleased to have the US represented by the likes of you! I can tell
you love it there!
Excerpts on 9-Nov-94 Re: Usenet Fruitcake by Lehto La...@proffa.cc.tu
> Oh what a happy day!! The results are in -- the Republicans have control
> of both houses of Congress! That's the Legislative Branch for you,
> Heather. Doesn't that just make you want to sing the national anthem?
> Translation for those of you sad leftists: America sent the message that
> they are fed up with the extreme, radical, and liberal views and policies
> of the Democratic Party and the partisin media. For too long we have seen
Uh, that's partisan. Thanks. At least that's how the Democrats spell it.
> these attempts to force radical views upon mainstream America and package
> them as moderate by enclosing them within hard to oppose robes such as
> "animal rights" and "homosexual rights". The truth of the matter is that
You know, I'm just so glad the Congress didn't pass that legislation
requiring everyone to be gay! I don't know what I would've done with
all my back issues of Field and Stream!
> homosexuals are not demanding equal rights, but in fact, special treatment.
What's so special about not getting clubbed to death because of who you like?
>
> By the way, Heather, I am the Vice-President of the College Republicans
> at my home university, am very politically active, am strongly motivated
> and opinionated, and have written a opinion column for my school
> newspaper. Of course I believe my opinions to be correct and
No sh*t, one whole column all by yourself? getouttahere! and there was
an opinion in it? wooo!
> representative of the moral and decent majority, but if I posted into
> newsgroups with my opinions, I would get no response. However, if I post
> into radical extreme newsgroups, then responses such as yours, though
> tainted with emotion, result.
>
> One more thing, Heather Honey. I'll let you in on a little secret that
> just about everyone else accept for you already knows. They don't let
> just anyone into engineering graduate school. My GPA for my two years in
> grad school has been a straight 4.0. My IQ is probably higher than you
Well guess what, I have a 5! Yep, I'm one better than you! hooooo!
And I have a four figure IQ! yep! (er, that means it's more than 999)
> can count. Reducing yourself to questioning my intelligence simply
> because you don't agree with my ideals is characteristic of an emotional
> last resort. In fact, I'll tell you what I'll do. I don't do this for
> just anyone, but for you, I'll make an exception. From now on, I'll do
> the thinking for both of us, OK? Just relax. How about that, huh?
> You don't even have to think anymore. I have got you covered.
>
> "We kicked ass". Or something like that.
> My buddy Newt, new House Speaker
>
> Lance
Is he for real? Hilarious! I can't picture what might look like! I'll
bet he's so strong! muscular, the paragon of masculinity! well liked by
beautiful women! and so intelligent and eloquent!
The poor Finns!
Tse-Sung
Heather Downs
>Oh what a happy day!! The results are in -- the Republicans have control
>of both houses of Congress!
Yes, I had heard the news.
>That's the Legislative Branch for you, Heather.
Very good, you get a gold star! And how Lancelot do on his spelling
test today, hmmm? I do hope the other boys didn't pick on you at recess
again for being "that way".
>Doesn't that just make you want to sing the national anthem?
There is very, very little that would make me want to sing the national
anthem; it's about as poorly-constructed a song as I've ever heard.
>Translation for those of you sad leftists: America sent the message that
>they are fed up with the extreme, radical, and liberal views and policies
>of the Democratic Party and the partisin media. For too long we have seen
And if there's one thing I can't stand, it's a "partisin" media.
>these attempts to force radical views upon mainstream America and package
>them as moderate by enclosing them within hard to oppose robes such as
>"animal rights" and "homosexual rights".
Gee, last I checked, the two anti-gay measures FAILED. The fact that
people are getting fed up with centralized control of the economy has
nothing to do with anti-gay sentiments, as this election clearly
demonstrated. One state where Democrats did surprisingly well was
Oregon, where high turnout motivated by opposition to the anti-gay
ballot measure resulted in more votes for the Democratic candidates.
The Religious Right's anti-gay campaign probably lost them the entire
state of Oregon. And the RR's financially disastrous Virginia
senatorial campaign fiasco could have resulted in Republican victory
had they chosen a Libertarian-leaning moderate instead of a frothing-
at-the-mouth fundie like Oliver North. In California, Michael
Huffington could have easily defeated Dianne Feinstein by simply
adopting a pro-gay stance. The Libertarian vote alone would have put
him over the top, and the gay conservatives who were forced to vote for
Feinstein would have come back to Huffington in droves, making it a
landslide. This same scenario was played out again and again across
the country.
I hope you remember all of those lost seats the first time the
Republicans can't muster 60 votes to block a Democrat filibuster
against some new tax-cut legislation. Hate certainly is expensive...
>The truth of the matter is that
>homosexuals are not demanding equal rights, but in fact, special treatment.
"Round up the usual suspects."
>By the way, Heather, I am the Vice-President of the College Republicans
>at my home university,
Wow! And Republicans are well-known for choosing intelligent, informed,
and articulate Vice-Presidents.
>am very politically active, am strongly motivated and opinionated,
Yes, I bet you really, Really, REALLY hate icky queers, don't you? You
don't like them ONE LITTLE BIT and it is vitally important that you
tell lots and lots of people about it, and as often as possible. Isn't
that a pretty good summary of your strong motivation?
>and have written a opinion column for my school
>newspaper.
Wow!!!!! You must be a genius to get a column in the SCHOOL PAPER! They
don't let just *anyone* have a col--oh, wait, never mind.
>Of course I believe my opinions to be correct and
>representative of the moral and decent majority, but if I posted into
Oh, yeah, right. If you can't get an anti-gay measure passed in ultra-
conservative, neo-Nazi infested Idaho, you might as well give up. I
guess "the moral and decent majority" there, though, was hampered by
immoral and indecent groups like the Methodists, the Presbyterians,
the Episcopalians, virtually every other Christian denomination, and
virtually every elected official in the state, Democrat or Republican;
*all* of whom spoke out against the hatred and bigotry that the "moral
and decent majority" like you would like to inflict on us.
>newsgroups with my opinions, I would get no response. However, if I post
>into radical extreme newsgroups, then responses such as yours, though
>tainted with emotion, result.
Oh. So we were being trolled, just as I suspected. I was confused by the
way you deliver your lines in such a deadpan manner. Good job!
>One more thing, Heather Honey. I'll let you in on a little secret that
>just about everyone else accept for you already knows.
*Everyone* knows "accept" me? Geez, now I feel left out.
>They don't let
>just anyone into engineering graduate school.
So true. If that tuition check bounces, you're out on your ear.
>My GPA for my two years in
>grad school has been a straight 4.0. My IQ is probably higher than you
>can count.
Gee, I don't know. I had to be able to count pretty high to get my
Mathematics degree from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. And
give me a break: *everyone's* grad school GPA is 4.0! Even *I* managed a
4.0 (5.0 on a 5.0 scale, really) when I got my Masters Degree in Computer
Science and Engineering (also from MIT). BTW, my field of expertise is CS
theory, but if you need any help with calculus (or algebra, or arithmetic,
or counting, or ...) or you can't get your little engineering program to
print "Hello, world!", I'm sure I can be of assistance.
>Reducing yourself to questioning my intelligence simply
>because you don't agree with my ideals is characteristic of an emotional
>last resort.
You are just a total hoot. You spew a ridiculous, opinionated,
unsupported, hateful piece of trash onto the net, at least a dozen
people meticulously rip your "ideas" to shreds and post detailed
descriptions of why you are a bigoted hypocrite, and your *only*
response so far has been to call me "Honey" a few times, insult me,
and ask me out on a date. [BTW, given your strategy for wooing women
(pick a lesbian on another continent, impress her with your ignorant
homophobic ranting, top it off with third grade-level ad hominem
attacks, ask her out!) I'm guessing you don't get many dates...]
>In fact, I'll tell you what I'll do.
Great! Be sure to add that one to your bag of date-getting tricks...
>I don't do this for
>just anyone, but for you, I'll make an exception. From now on, I'll do
>the thinking for both of us, OK? Just relax. How about that, huh?
>You don't even have to think anymore. I have got you covered.
Well, at least you're not sexist.
Heather Downs
John Lawrence Rutledge
>There is something else to fear. When homosexuals achieve total power they
>are very intolerant of non-homosexual life-styles. Again, lets look at
>ancient Greece. The ancient Greeks oppressed the Jewish people of that time
>until my Glorious Ancestors, the Maccabees, successfully revolted against
>this homosexual oppression.
[cite which tells of the Greek treatment of Jews but does not tell
why deleted. Sorry, Mr Cherry, the fact that places like "bath
house" existed doesn't show motives.]
Wrong, again. The Greeks oppressed the Jewish people between the
Jews were telling the Greeks they could not worship Zeus. It had
nothing to do with homosexuality. The Jews were very busy telling
the Greeks, Romans, Cannonites, Babylonians, and every one else they
happen to come across that there is only one God. And, if you didn't
give up all your old gods and worship only the Lord, you are
committing the greatest act of blasphemy possible.
In contrast, the Greek, Romans, Cannonites, Babylonians, and just
about every one else except for the Jews were very tolerant of
each others religions. The Romans, for example, incorporated many
of the Greek gods into their religion. The religion of the
Cannonites was a product of several previous religion all
join together into one. When the Babylonians conquered an area
they still allowed the people to keep their religion (The only
exception was the Jews because to openly attacked all other
religions.)
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| jrut...@cs.uml.edu | would pop up just below." |
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Toni Arte
Hoh hoh. Eikö nää ulkomaanpellet ikinä väsy tähän
paskanjauhantaan meidän omassa kivassa ryhmässä
sfnet.keskustelu.seksi ? Mitäs jos me kaikki pistetään
niille vastineita suomeksi joka ryhmään, kuten tässä
ja Followup-To:sta pois sfnet.keskustelu.seksi...
Short summary: stop writing this shit into
sfnet.keskustelu.seksi
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Jeff Licquia
In article <39tapm$8...@ulowell.uml.edu> jrut...@cs.uml.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes:
>In article <39s9h7$1...@panix.com>, Fred Cherry <jo...@panix.com> wrote:
>>There is something else to fear. When homosexuals achieve total power they
>>are very intolerant of non-homosexual life-styles. Again, lets look at
>>ancient Greece. The ancient Greeks oppressed the Jewish people of that time
>>until my Glorious Ancestors, the Maccabees, successfully revolted against
>>this homosexual oppression.
I believe that homosexuality was only one of the many "heathen abominations"
perpetrated by the Greeks, and it was certainly not the one that sparked the
Maccabean revolt. I would suspect that homosexuality was actually rather far
down on the list of abominations.
>Wrong, again. The Greeks oppressed the Jewish people between the
>Jews were telling the Greeks they could not worship Zeus. It had
>nothing to do with homosexuality. The Jews were very busy telling
>the Greeks, Romans, Cannonites, Babylonians, and every one else they
>happen to come across that there is only one God. And, if you didn't
>give up all your old gods and worship only the Lord, you are
>committing the greatest act of blasphemy possible.
Not exactly true. The ancient Greeks were very intolerant of other cultures;
Greek generals would often parade the people of conquered cities before the
soldiers, pointing to their often flabby bodies as evidence that their culture
was inferior to Greek culture. They were, however, very effective in "kissing
up" to cultures that did manage to conquer them, such as the Roman.
In this specific instance, Antiochus Epiphanes (the ruler of that part of
Alexander's old empire which controlled Israel) was attempting to supplant the
cultures of the lands he controlled with "superior" Greek culture. The Jews
were not the only people who suffered this; they were simply the only ones who
were able to successfully oppose it.
>In contrast, the Greek, Romans, Cannonites, Babylonians, and just
>about every one else except for the Jews were very tolerant of
>each others religions. The Romans, for example, incorporated many
>of the Greek gods into their religion. The religion of the
>Cannonites was a product of several previous religion all
>join together into one. When the Babylonians conquered an area
>they still allowed the people to keep their religion (The only
>exception was the Jews because to openly attacked all other
>religions.)
Again, this is inaccurate. The Jews enjoyed religious freedom under most of
the empires that dominated them. Under the Babylonian empire, Jews even
served in positions of authority under certain circumstances. The Persian and
Roman empires even invested sums of money to assist in the rebuilding of the
Jewish temple.
There were two situations where the ruling empire removed freedom of religion
from the Jews: under Antiochus (mentioned above) and after the Jewish revolts
in 70 and 132 AD, when Jewish culture in general (not just the religion) was
suppressed.
I have trimmed the newsgroups line a bit. My apologies if it appears
offensive in the places it does appear.
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Joseph A. Liu
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I shall fear no Evil. For Thou art with me...
Yea, though I live in the most decadent amoral society on Earth,
I shall fear no Evil. For the Republicans have just taken Congress...
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Ray Cathcart
> In article <39ra28$g...@cc.tut.fi>, l15...@proffa.cc.tut.fi (Lehto
Lance) writes:
> > By the way, Heather, I am the Vice-President of the College Republicans
> > at my home university, am very politically active, am strongly motivated
> > and opinionated, and have written a opinion column for my school
> > newspaper. Of course I believe my opinions to be correct and
> > representative of the moral and decent majority, but if I posted into
> > newsgroups with my opinions, I would get no response. However, if I post
> > into radical extreme newsgroups, then responses such as yours, though
> > tainted with emotion, result.
> You forgot you're also a trolling, self-indulgent dickhead with an overseas
> account who smells uncomfortably like Rush Limbaugh and gets about as much
> enjoyment from wasting bandwidth with reactionary drivel.
^^^^^^^^^^^
> I didn't see any newsgroups that your messages are spammed to that are radical
> or extreme. You're just a moron with net access that likes to annoy people
> and hear himself speak.
You DIDN'T just call HIM reactionary, did you?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ray Cathcart
Drexel University
st93...@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu
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Charles Phillip Kalina
John Lawrence Rutledge <jrut...@cs.uml.edu> wrote:
>In contrast, the Greek, Romans, Cannonites, Babylonians, and just
>about every one else except for the Jews were very tolerant of
>each others religions. The Romans, for example, incorporated many
>of the Greek gods into their religion. The religion of the
>Cannonites was a product of several previous religion all
>join together into one. When the Babylonians conquered an area
>they still allowed the people to keep their religion (The only
>exception was the Jews because to openly attacked all other
>religions.)
On the other hand, there was the compulsory hellenization of the
Jews under the Selucids. Plenty of intolerance to go 'round in the
ancient near east.
--
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"It is the mission of neoconservatism to explain to the American people
why they are right and to the intellectuals why they are wrong."
-Irving Kristol
Kari Nenonen
ettei me tajuttas, ei vaan jaksas katella t{{ll{ ku tota paskaa on
muutenki koko netti t{ynn{. Ja sen NAMBLAnneki voisitte kyl hyvin
pit{{ sill{ puolel Atlanttii.
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^^
Get this, a "Finlander" is rejoycing over US politics. Shall wonders
never cease?
}For too long we have seen
}these attempts to force radical views upon mainstream America and package
}them as moderate
Now we get to see radical views packaged as conservative. Wow, big change.
}The truth of the matter is that
}homosexuals are not demanding equal rights, but in fact, special treatment.
Care to enumerate those "special rights"? I'm willing to bet you can't
name a one.
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This person may be book smart, but they've a ways to go before they
become wise.
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: >is totally unfounded.
: -------------------------------snip--------------------------------
: -------------------------------snip-------------------------------
: jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
John,
I am curious as to your conclusion from the above. Do you conclude
anything more than that neither homo- nor hetro-sexuals have any a priori
claim to being either saints or devils?
Austin Hook
aus...@canuck.com
Donn F. Pedro
: Translation for those of you sad leftists: America sent the message that
: they are fed up with the extreme, radical, and liberal views and policies
: of the Democratic Party and the partisin media.
Basically, even on the most radical of Conservative Talk Radio, the reason
given is excessive taxation.
: For too long we have seen
: these attempts to force radical views upon mainstream America and package
: them as moderate by enclosing them within hard to oppose robes such as
: "animal rights" and "homosexual rights". The truth of the matter is that
: homosexuals are not demanding equal rights, but in fact, special treatment.
Either lay out those 'special rights' and 'special treatment' or shut
the hell up and stop looking like an ignorant, parroting fool.
: By the way, Heather, I am the Vice-President of the College Republicans
: at my home university, am very politically active, am strongly motivated
: and opinionated, and have written a opinion column for my school
: newspaper.
That doesn't make you informed and capable of critical thought.
: Of course I believe my opinions to be correct
Your first mistake.
: and
: representative of the moral and decent majority,
Your second.
: but if I posted into
: newsgroups with my opinions, I would get no response.
Really? Act like a bigot in rec.nude.underwater.basketweaving and I
bet you get called on it.
: One more thing, Heather Honey. I'll let you in on a little secret that
: just about everyone else accept for you already knows. They don't let
: just anyone into engineering graduate school. My GPA for my two years in
: grad school has been a straight 4.0.
So you are an intelligent fool.
: My IQ is probably higher than you
: can count.
Nice chest puffing, Tarzan.
:Reducing yourself to questioning my intelligence simply
: because you don't agree with my ideals is characteristic of an emotional
: last resort.
Your intellegence, or the proper exercise therof (that is the key)
is because of your demonstrated lack of critical thought on the
issues at hand.
: "We kicked ass". Or something like that.
: My buddy Newt, new House Speaker
Yeah, you are in good company with someone who blamed the deaths of
two innocent children on the democrats, werved his wife with divorce
papers while she was in the hospital, and refused to pay child
support afterwards.
op...@xconn.com
Hi Rod. Steve here in Hollywood (opey). Just thought I would drop you a
line and say Hi. I've been reading your stuff and just wanted you to
know I'm still here. Drop a line and let me know what's going on 'down
under'.
IR>dfp...@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro) writes:
IR>>Anyway ... Wanna bet. I know plenty of homosexuals who *hate* NAMBLA
>>and what they claim to stand for. The problem is clueless people
>>who say NAMBLA-all homosexuals.
IR>I am against the principles of NAMBLA which involve lowering the
>age-limit for consent to LOWER than heterosexual sex.
IR>Rod
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Donn F. Pedro
: >Many societies have generally practiced what NAMBLA is advocating. The
: >Ancient Greeks and several tribes in Africa are just a few examples
: >of cultures were is was normal for adult males to have sex with younger
: >males.
: >The younger males did not become homosexual. When they grew up they
: >married women and had children.
: It is true that when these boys who had been sodomized grew up, they
: married women and had children. It is also true that they became
: homosexual.
No it isn't. Some may have become homosexual. Orientation isn't that
fluid for most people. You cannot create a homosexual by sodomizing
them.
: Who were the men who were sodomizing these young boys?
: I have seen several T.V. talk shows in which homosexual men are married and
: have children.
Yes, there are homosexuals who live lies, fearful of being found
out as what they truly are. They harm themselves, their partners,
by living their lie.
Now, why do you suppose they feel like they have to lie?
: >Just look at history, Mr. Cherry, and you will find that this fear
: >is totally unfounded.
:
: There is something else to fear. When homosexuals achieve total power they
: are very intolerant of non-homosexual life-styles.
Now, who do you suppose they learned that from?
Colin Wright
>GIVE ME A BREAK AND SHUT UP!
Ooh, put everyone in their place. Isn't he someone we *all* can respect?
> Yea, though I live in the most decadent amoral society on Earth,
> I shall fear no Evil. For the Republicans have just taken Congress...
yay.
Decadent *AND* Amoral. Why even have a military to defend such evil?
--
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cwr...@diamond.amd.com | to find at least one sign
Advanced Micro Devices | that could reveal the true dimension
Sunnyvale, California | of life, lest we forget." -Dead.Can.Dance
Chris Hughes
: Oh what a happy day!! The results are in -- the Republicans have control
: of both houses of Congress! That's the Legislative Branch for you,
: Heather. Doesn't that just make you want to sing the national anthem?
Not particularly, no.
: Translation for those of you sad leftists: America sent the message that
: they are fed up with the extreme, radical, and liberal views and policies
: of the Democratic Party and the partisin media.
Since when did I become a leftist? Hmmmm. Seems someone's moving the
political spectrum around on me.
: For too long we have seen
: these attempts to force radical views upon mainstream America and package
: them as moderate by enclosing them within hard to oppose robes such as
: "animal rights" and "homosexual rights".
Now, they're forcing radical views upon mainstream America and packaging
them as moderate by enclosing them within hard-to-oppose robes such as
"traditional family values" and "concern for the welfare of children".
: The truth of the matter is that
: homosexuals are not demanding equal rights, but in fact, special treatment.
And again, what special treatment do you think we want?
I'm sure blacks see the right to marry whites as special treatement, too.
: By the way, Heather, I am the Vice-President of the College Republicans
: at my home university, am very politically active, am strongly motivated
: and opinionated, and have written a opinion column for my school
: newspaper.
That's ok. We won't hold it against you. I'm a long-standing member
of American Atheists and the University of Texas at Austin branch of
College Objectivists.
: Of course I believe my opinions to be correct and
: representative of the moral and decent majority, but if I posted into
: newsgroups with my opinions, I would get no response.
Then why don't you post there? You'll help keep the bandwidth to a minimum.
: However, if I post
: into radical extreme newsgroups, then responses such as yours, though
: tainted with emotion, result.
And where's the tainting of emotion, Lance dear? All we want is what
heterosexuals enjoy on a daily basis: the chance to marry those with whom
we are in love, and live our lives in peace without interference from
radical Christian Reich-members.
Note I don't call them "right-wingers". I'm probably farther to the right
than you are.
: One more thing, Heather Honey. I'll let you in on a little secret that
: just about everyone else accept for you already knows. They don't let
: just anyone into engineering graduate school. My GPA for my two years in
: grad school has been a straight 4.0. My IQ is probably higher than you
: can count.
Depends. I'm sure she can count the fingers on both her hands. She might
even need to borrow a toe or two, just in case.
: Reducing yourself to questioning my intelligence simply
: because you don't agree with my ideals is characteristic of an emotional
: last resort.
Well, so far you haven't done a brilliant attempt to demonstrate much
intellect. I don't care how smart or dumb you are. If you want to be
rational, that's fine, I'll debate with you. If you wanna be irrational,
here, have a Bible, thank you very much, bu-bye.
In the name of the best within us, A is A
Christopher Eric Hughes Either-Or
ch...@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Non-Contradiction
"By the essence and nature of existence, contradictions cannot exist.
If you find one, check your premises; you'll find that one of them is
wrong." Hugh Akston, Professor of Philosophy, Patrick Henry Univ.
Björn Palmen
Edellisessä artikkelissa tw...@andrew.cmu.edu (Tse-Sung Wu) sanoo:
>Excerpts on 4-Nov-94 Re: Usenet Fruitcake by Lehto La...@proffa.cc.tu
>> Lance Lehto, American Civil Engineering graduate student on foreign
>> student exchange in Finland.
>Excerpts on 7-Nov-94 Re: Usenet Fruitcake by Lehto La...@proffa.cc.tu
>> A Finn who fails to realize that his country is nothing more than a
>> pimple on the ass of the world. A messenger of the "normal" behavior ...
>> One more thing, Heather Honey. I'll let you in on a little secret that
just about everyone else accept for you already knows. They don't let
just anyone into engineering graduate school. My GPA for my two years in
grad school has been a straight 4.0. My IQ is probably higher than you
can count. Reducing yourself to questioning my intelligence simply
because you don't agree with my ideals is characteristic of an emotional
last resort. .... etc.etc.
> Is he for real?
Sadly, no. His mail bounces, and with that kind of IQ you would not
think that he could not even keep his mail box working?
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: >One more thing, Heather Honey. I'll let you in on a little secret that
I would agree with your comment if you didn't realize that the comment
about his GPA and IQ was only in response to a cheap blow by someone
disagreeing with his views.
Fred Cherry
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Subject: Re: Usenet Fruitcake
kauh...@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) wrote:
>Ei tarttis tulla jatkuvasti t{nne kirjottaa tota englantii. Ei sill{
>ettei me tajuttas, ei vaan jaksas katella t{{ll{ ku tota paskaa on
>muutenki koko netti t{ynn{. Ja sen NAMBLAnneki voisitte kyl hyvin
>pit{{ sill{ puolel Atlanttii.
A person from Finland cannot understand how powerful NAMBLA is. For
example, If one looks at The New York Times on microfilm in most public
libraries in the United States, one can see, in said newspaper, dated
1/1/83, page 5, an article about NAMBLA that is so heavily slanted in favor
of NAMBLA, that for years NAMBLA was reprinting that article and using it
in its recruiting literature that it was handing out along the line of
march at the anual "Gay Pride" parade in New York City. The New York Times
is the most influential newspaper in the United States. Also, if one
watches United States television, one can see, from time to time, one or
more representatives from NAMBLA on talk shows that are carried nation-
wide. NAMBLA is also very heavily represented on the Internet. NAMBLA has
an entire newsgroup of its own, namely alt.sex.intergen.
jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
Sharat Shekhar
> One more thing, Heather Honey. I'll let you in on a little secret that
> just about everyone else accept for you already knows. They don't let
> just anyone into engineering graduate school. My GPA for my two years in
> grad school has been a straight 4.0. My IQ is probably higher than you
> can count.
Yo! Idiot !!! Get a frigging life ... and give us a fucking break
.. you're actually trying to correlate a 4.0 GPA in a engineering graduate
program with intelligence ?!?!?!?!?! ... Every other Johnny in an engineering
or sciences graduate program has a 4.0 .... it just dosent mean Diddley
Squat .. but then to a pompous dickhead like you, it could of course, mean the
world :) :) :) :) :)
-Sharat
Kari Nenonen
>A person from Finland cannot understand how powerful NAMBLA is.
Well, I do. It's just another proof about how sick the American
society is. And please, don't read this as if I had claimed that
Americans as a nation or inviduals are sickos.
Mats Andtbacka
>Lehto Lance (l15...@proffa.cc.tut.fi) wrote:
> ^^
>Get this, a "Finlander" is rejoycing over US politics. Shall wonders
>never cease?
Lance Lehto is a citizen of the USA, sent to our unfortunate country
due to a foreign exchange program that shall be forgiven, as it knew
not what it was doing.
Please do not assume that any of Lance Lehto's opinions are in any way
connected to the general state of mind in the Republic of Finland.
In short, we didn't make him that way, we didn't ask for him, we're
not supporting him, we'd really rather just pretend he wasn't here. OK?
(Oh, and would y'all remove sfnet.keskustelu.seksi from newsgroups and
followups? That group is specific to Finland only, and I hear the
people over there are getting seriously bored with this. )
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Harri Haanp{{
>>Ei tarttis tulla jatkuvasti t{nne kirjottaa tota englantii. Ei sill{
>>ettei me tajuttas, ei vaan jaksas katella t{{ll{ ku tota paskaa on
>>muutenki koko netti t{ynn{. Ja sen NAMBLAnneki voisitte kyl hyvin
>>pit{{ sill{ puolel Atlanttii.
jo...@panix.com (Fred Cherry) writes:
>A person from Finland cannot understand how powerful NAMBLA is. For
A person from the USA cannot understand that the average Finn
couldn't care less.
alt.christnet, alt.recovery, alt.mens-rights, alt.christnet.sex,
alt.christnet.bible, alt.feminism, soc.men, alt.sex, eunet.politics
and sfnet.keskustelu.seksi (where I read this) removed from the
newsgroups-line.
Harri
Harri Haanp{{
>Lehto Lance (l15...@proffa.cc.tut.fi) wrote:
> ^^
>Get this, a "Finlander" is rejoycing over US politics. Shall wonders
>never cease?
Aiemmin Lance allekirjoitti erään artikkelinsa seuraavasti:
>Lance Lehto, American Civil Engineering graduate student on foreign
>student exchange in Finland.
Eurooppalaisia ei juuri kiinnosta, valitaanko USA:n kongressiin tai
senaattiin demokraatteja vai republikaaneja.
sfnet.keskustelu.seksi poistettu newsgroups-riviltä.
Harri
Harri Haanp{{
> Yea, though I live in the most decadent amoral society on Earth,
> I shall fear no Evil. For the Republicans have just taken Congress...
Qualis rex talis grex.
sfnet.keskustelu.seksi poistettu newsgroups-riviltä.
Harri
Tapio Linkosalo
> >Ei tarttis tulla jatkuvasti t{nne kirjottaa tota englantii. Ei sill{
> >ettei me tajuttas, ei vaan jaksas katella t{{ll{ ku tota paskaa on
> >muutenki koko netti t{ynn{. Ja sen NAMBLAnneki voisitte kyl hyvin
> >pit{{ sill{ puolel Atlanttii.
> A person from Finland cannot understand how powerful NAMBLA is. For
> example, If one looks at The New York Times on microfilm in most public
> libraries in the United States, one can see, in said newspaper, dated
> 1/1/83, page 5, an article about NAMBLA that is so heavily slanted in favor
...ja niin edelleen...
Saattaapi hyvin olla, ettei suomalainen hiffaa kuinka voimallinen NAMBLA
on, mutta siitä huolimatta, tai juuri siksi, voisitte todellakin pitää
sen NAMBLAnne sillä puolen lätäkköä. Aivan kuten Kari tuossa edellä
ehdottikin.
-Tapio-
Scott Dorsey
>In article <39bc1f$a...@agate.berkeley.edu> thom...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Thomas C. Hartman) writes:
>
>> >>I notice my editor seems to have dropped the word _not_, in that
>> >>Leviticus is _not_ part of the Quran.
>>
>Sincie this is still around, I might take the opportunity to say that
>in the Christian and Jewish versions of the Bible, Homosexuality
>(male) is forbidden and enumerated in laws of transgrestions of purity
>along with it's punishment, stoning, in Leviticus, parshat Kedoshim (I
>think it might be ch 16, but I don't remember.) There is no other
>mention of it in the Hebrew Bible (OT).
Just a second? You mean that according to the Old Testament, homosexuals
have to get stoned? Wow. I think we have a problem in translation here.
--scott
(sinful crayfish-eater, wearer of blended fabrics)
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M. D. Yesowitch
> >>I notice my editor seems to have dropped the word _not_, in that
> >>Leviticus is _not_ part of the Quran.
>
Sincie this is still around, I might take the opportunity to say that
in the Christian and Jewish versions of the Bible, Homosexuality
(male) is forbidden and enumerated in laws of transgrestions of purity
along with it's punishment, stoning, in Leviticus, parshat Kedoshim (I
think it might be ch 16, but I don't remember.) There is no other
mention of it in the Hebrew Bible (OT).
-m
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Bill Hewitt
says...
>
>In <39kru0$a...@cc.tut.fi> l15...@proffa.cc.tut.fi (Lehto Lance) writes:
>
>>A Finn who fails to realize that his country is nothing more than a
>>pimple on the ass of the world.
>
> case. I mean, we're a minority, and minorities are, well, immoral,
right?
I don't see where his position indicates hatred. I don't hate you. I
don't even hate Finland. His position is, however, valid. Finland could
cease to exist tomorrow and the only problem we would have is explaining
where the term "Finlandization" came from. Now THAT's a heritage to be
proud of.
I may be guilty of having a well-deserved lack of respect for your
nation's sucking-up to the Soviet Union, but I don't hate you.
Ryan Robertson
Fuck you! Don't EVER trivialize genocide against ANY group of people. I
don't give a damn if two hundred thousand times more Jews were killed in
the holocost than gays. And furthermore, I dont care whether there were
gay people in the SS or whether hitler was gay himself. Gays as a community
put hitler in power just as much as whites as a community supported hilter.
Obviously you have learned nothing from history.
In article <3a91to$h...@panix.com> jo...@panix.com (Fred Cherry) writes:
>
>
>I got run out of ComPUserve for posting something similar to that on a
>ComPUserve discussion forum. As a Jew, I bitterly resent homosexuals
>blathering about a "Gay Holocaust." Homosexuals did their share, and MORE
>than their share to put Hitler into power. Therefore, they have no right to
>complain about a situation that they brought about themselves.
>
>jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
>
>
>
Ryan Robertson
Fred Cherry
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Subject: Re: Usenet Fruitcake
Date: 10 Nov 1994 17:23:16 GMT
Toni...@hut.fi (Toni Arte) wrote:
> Hoh hoh. Eikv ndd ulkomaanpellet ikind vdsy tdhdn
> paskanjauhantaan meiddn omassa kivassa ryhmdssd
> sfnet.keskustelu.seksi ? Mitds jos me kaikki pistetddn
> niille vastineita suomeksi joka ryhmddn, kuten tdssd
> ja Followup-To:sta pois sfnet.keskustelu.seksi...
>
> Short summary: stop writing this shit into
> sfnet.keskustelu.seksi
>--
>Kaukainen suhisi muusikameleiksi. Toni Arte
> Toni...@hut.fi
When Bjorn Palmen stops writing his Nazi shit to all of the other
newsgroups on the list of cross-posted newsgroups shown in the header, then
I will stop writing my pearls of wisdom to sfnet.keskustelu.seksi.
jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
Fred Cherry
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Subject: Re: Usenet Fruitcake
Date: 9 Nov 1994 07:07:54 GMT
e...@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) wrote:
> "If they're true..." Therein lies the key of your argument,
>Brendon. As has been pointed out too many times, NAMBLA per se has
>*never* been implicated in the comission of criminal paedophilia.
>That certain individuals within the organization are able to
>associate, and make contact through NAMBLA, to commit criminal acts,
>even conspiracy, is not NAMBLA's fault. From their position papers,
>NAMBLA actively discourages statuatory rape, endagering the welfare
>of a minor, and conspiracy. They can't *police* their members from
>committing these acts short of expelling them should they be shown
>actively committing these acts.
I don't know what you have been reading, but from everything of NAMBLA that
I have ever read, they encourage their members to engage in homosexual
child-molesting. NAMBLA does warn its members not to get entrapped. The
NAMBLA monthly bulletin used to include a column by a ten-year-old boy,
who, they claimed, was involved in a sexual relationship with one of their
adult members.
jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
Fred Cherry
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Subject: Re: Usenet Fruitcake
dion...@infinet.com () wrote:
>Its rather un-local to SF. (I'm limiting this to just US murders. They're
>what I have the most info on.) Murders have occured overseas by US
>Military people TO US Military people. Recent murders have occured in
>Mississippi (2), Texas (3, killer(s) still loose), and Florida (2). And
>those are just in the past month's time. (And my quick grep may have
>missed files I may have elsewheres.) Note: these are just the things that
>have made it to my attention. However, I think the wide-spread geographic
>locations should be enlightening. Even Kansas has had "hate murders".
>(Last year, or maybe early this spring.)
There have been far more murders in the United States of women prostitutes.
In addition, there was the case of Eileen Wournos, the lesbian serial
murderer of men clients of women prostitutes. She was sentenced to death in
Florida. There are lesbian groups who side with her. There was a television
dramatization of her case which was presented around the end of August of
this year. The dramatization took Wournos' point of view. She claimed that
each one of the men she murdered was trying to rape her or worse.
jo...@panix.com, a.k.a. themad...@bix.com
dion...@infinet.com
Fred Cherry (jo...@panix.com) wrote:
}dion...@infinet.com () wrote:
}>Its rather un-local to SF. (I'm limiting this to just US murders.
[whack]
}There have been far more murders in the United States of women prostitutes.
And just what is _that_ supposed to justify? Murder is murder. Is this to
turn into a "numbers game"?
}In addition, there was the case of Eileen Wournos, the lesbian serial
}murderer
...
} She claimed that
}each one of the men she murdered was trying to rape her or worse.
Well, it takes a twist of viewpoint that's rather strange, but I could
see how she could claim rape. Of course, you have to overlook the fact
that she apparently solicited for intercourse in the first place...
As I said before, murder is murder. I should hope that nobody defends a
murderer due to some unrelated fact. If killing took place, the killing
itself should be the topic, not financial state, skin color, sexuality,
not even social status.
Lastly, what did you expect of a movie? TV is out for sensationalism.
That is why you don't see reporters regularly covering the birthday
parties of children of non-celebrities unless the child has "less than
one month to live." Don't expect too much of the "boob tube". (I mean,
really, one night, not so long ago, ABC, CBS *and* NBC all had a different
movie about some female murderer. (Naturally, they all aired them at the
same times.) If I recall correctly, I decided to go out and mutter to the
plants whilst weeding.)
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as i wrote, Ernst Rohm help bring the Nazis
> into power and was an unrepentant NAZI until the moment he
> was shot, he was also as homosexual as a homosexual could be.
I got run out of ComPUserve for posting something similar to that on a
ComPUserve discussion forum. As a Jew, I bitterly resent homosexuals
blathering about a "Gay Holocaust." Homosexuals did their share, and MORE
than their share to put Hitler into power. Therefore, they have no right to
complain about a situation that they brought about themselves.
This is unbelievably stupid if not downright evil.
The fact that some Nazis were homosexuals does not mean that all
homosexuals were Nazis. It certainly does not excuse the vast
numbers of murders of homosexuals committed by Nazis. You seem to
think that homosexuals act as some sort of unified body, so a crime by
one justifies retaliation against all. I'm sorry to have to be the
one to tell you, but they're individuals just like you. Furthermore,
there was plenty of Jewish complicity with Hitler (ie right-wing
Zionists tried to make deals with him to ship interned Jews to
Palestine). Does this mean that Jews, too, have no right to complain
about the Holocaust?
Jim J. Sun
> jak...@netcom.com (henry jakala) wrote:
[snip: jakala offer's the factoid about Ernst Rohm, the founder of SA,
was a homosexual/pedophile himself; nothing to argue about that.]
>I got run out of ComPUserve for posting something similar to that on a
>ComPUserve discussion forum.
If you only posted something as matter-of-factly as what jakala posted,
you should considering sueing CompuServe; or at least make a big fuss about
it.
>As a Jew, I bitterly resent homosexuals
>blathering about a "Gay Holocaust." Homosexuals did their share, and MORE
>than their share to put Hitler into power. Therefore, they have no right to
>complain about a situation that they brought about themselves.
Now, if this is what you posted on CompuServe, I have very little sympathy
for you. There's no justification for collective guilt/punishment. According
to your logic, Jews don't have the right to "blather" about the Holocaust
either because a number of Jewish bankers helped bank-roll Hitler's grand
Kenysian economic recovery after he ditched the Proteriate root of German
Socialist Workers' Party (as represented by SA faction), and launched on
a truly conservative fascist gov't. So grow up, Jews are not the only
victims in the world; just as Jews are not the cause to all the
evils in the world.
You being a Jew, I thought you'd be somewhat more
sensitive to collective guilt/punishment... On a second thought, maybe not;
doesn't Judaio-Christian babble (or is it bubbling piece of shit?)
teach that the whole village
could be wiped out because your neighbor is fucking his sister? Now, that's
SEX ( posting from alt.sex; BTW, stop cross-posting, there's nothing
sexy about Rush:) entertaining, maybe, but I doubt people on the christnet
would like to have their Messiah perceived as a sort of entertainment.)
Jim