Incandescent light bulb replacements

[Stormin Mormon]

At my church, we have a lot of "can lights" in the ceiling. They
had been taking out the 150 watt filament bulbs, and using CF
"curly cue" bulbs. Now they are installing LED flood lights, and
are totally pleased with them.

They T-30 are about $40 each, and can't remember. 18 watts
power draw, is it? Brighter actually than the 150 watt filament
bulbs that had been in there. The flood light style throws the light
down and out, instead of bouncing around the tin can.

I don't have any can lights. But, they do offer "corn cob" shaped
LED on Ebay. The CF bulbs I have in, are still working. And some
straight bulb fluorescents I've got for various uses. I'm not spending
$7 per bulb just yet on the LED. Maybe later?

I had (about year 1988) a lamp over my work bench. When I'd turn
the grinder on, the bulb would blow. I blew through (sorry, not funny)
a four pack of Phillips, and then had a GE, or was it Sylvania. Anyhow,
the different brand lasted a lot longer.

I wonder if the LED corn cob bulbs will stand up to vibration? At seven
dollars a bulb, what's the pay back time? LONG time, I'm sure.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

compared to a rough service incandescent the payback is about 7 bulbs.

[Eli the Bearded]

In rec.crafts.metalworking,

Stormin Mormon <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I had (about year 1988) a lamp over my work bench. When I'd turn
> the grinder on, the bulb would blow. I blew through (sorry, not funny)
> a four pack of Phillips, and then had a GE, or was it Sylvania. Anyhow,
> the different brand lasted a lot longer.
>
> I wonder if the LED corn cob bulbs will stand up to vibration? At seven
> dollars a bulb, what's the pay back time? LONG time, I'm sure.

You needed a rough service bulb or a bulb that could handle whatever
electrical disturbance the grinder put out? LEDs probably won't
help in the later case, and will vary brand to brand in the former.
Some I've seen are a bit prone to falling apart and then it is hard
to fix the wires to get them to operate again. And it it is a hot
environment (eg totally enclosed) that could also cause problems for
the circuits that run the LEDs. My old garage door opener was a
bulb killer, but I gave up faster than you did with that lamp.
Nothing I put in there CFL, rough service, appliance, or higher
voltage rating (for any surges) would last more than a month or two.
Never risked a LED in it.

Elijah
------
seven bucks sounds cheap for an LED bulb

[Jon Elson]

Stormin Mormon wrote:


> I had (about year 1988) a lamp over my work bench. When I'd turn
> the grinder on, the bulb would blow. I blew through (sorry, not funny)
> a four pack of Phillips, and then had a GE, or was it Sylvania. Anyhow,
> the different brand lasted a lot longer.
>
> I wonder if the LED corn cob bulbs will stand up to vibration? At seven
> dollars a bulb, what's the pay back time? LONG time, I'm sure.

Oh, if it was truly shock to the filament, both CFL and LEDs should
be much more robust. The LEDs should be able to take massive mechanical
abuse, probably the first thing to go would be the plastic housings.

Jon

[J. Clarke]

In article <BMA4r.130$vJ5...@news.usenetserver.com>, cayoung61
***spam...@hotmail.com says...

It would have to be a really crappy LED design to _not_ stand up to
vibration better than an incandescent or fluorescent. No little thin
wires, nothing working at high temperature, everything well supported,
vibration resistance should be much better. However I have great
confidence in the ability of industry to screw up a simple design.

[Spehro Pefhany]

Don't use them (LED or CFL) on garage door openers, though.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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[Stanley Schaefer]

On Mar 3, 9:06 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarkeuse...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <BMA4r.130$vJ5....@news.usenetserver.com>, cayoung61
> ***spambl...@hotmail.com says...

> confidence in the ability of industry to screw up a simple design.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Have had several "decorative" LED lights give up the ghost, haven't
lasted any longer than the incandescents or CFLs that they replaced.
So you're right, they can screw up almost anything. Had a couple dead
out of the packages, too. Since all of the current lights, no matter
what type, are the products of that great Chinese QC, it's no wonder.
The LED bulb failures were total, not just a few defective individual
LEDs croaking like on a cheap flashlight. And this is with a
stationary floor lamp, not on any sort of vibrating tool. At least
the dead ones don't have any mercury.

Stan

[azotic]

"Stanley Schaefer" <sta...@prolynx.com> wrote in message
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At least the dead ones don't have any mercury.
Stan

A study by UC Irvine's Department of Population Health & Disease Prevention
has discovered that LED diodes contain unsafe levels of carcinogenic toxins.
While LED's less energy friendly cousin's, CFLs, contain a measured amount
of mercury, LEDs are laden with lead, arsenic and a handful of other
chemicals that have been linked to different cancers, neurological damage,
kidney disease, hypertension, skin rashes and other serious illnesses. Not
only are these chemicals harmful to consumers if the bulbs are mishandled or
broken, but extracting those toxins from the earth is a destructive process.

Study Finds LED Light Bulbs Contain Unsafe Levels of Carcinogenic Toxins |
Inhabitat - Green Design Will Save the World

Best Regards
Tom.
--
http://fija.org/

[Stormin Mormon]

I can't remember where, probably here. I've heard the Chinese made LED corn
cob lights have a high failure rate.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"J. Clarke" <jclark...@cox.net> wrote in message
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[J. Clarke]

In article <jivev6$jb8$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, H.B...@network.com says...

Is there a link to the actual study anywhere? All I can find is stories
based on a press release that may or may not have any relation to the
content of the paper. The same press release goes on about the copper
content like the copper contend of LEDs is going to end the world, so it
has to be taken with a huge dose of salt.

[DougC]

I have a couple wall-fixture porch lights that killed every kind of CFL
and incan bulb I tried in them within days. Apparently the fixtures just
vibrate when the doors slam, since that's when the bulbs would always
start to flicker or go out.

Last year I took a chance and bought a couple of these for $16 each-
Utilitech 40-Watt Equivalent Indoor Warm White LED Light Bulb
Item #: 338802 Model #: LA19DM/LED
http://www.lowes.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&cId=SEARCH&productId=3341246

So far they have worked perfectly--they are not ideal but they are
bright enough, and have never flickered even a bit. And they are even
cheaper now,,, on sale for $10 each.

--------

I have two other "difficult" fixtures however, vibration probably the
culprit there too:

One is a light mounted over the kitchen stove, in the underside of the
stove hood/microwave (the OEM bulb lasted a long time, but I can't get
them anymore and every cheaper replacement the same size I tried burned
out very quickly if the exhaust fan is used at all).

The second is a small lamp on a Sears bench grinder I have (Model#
21162). It is a smaller-socket halogen bulb and it worked great but
burned out after only a couple months. A replacement I bought only
lasted about as long, and cost me ~$7.

LEDs do not do well in heat so I dunno how a LED bulb might do over a
stovetop. With the grinder, I haven't really gone searching for
alternatives yet.

[DougC]

On 3/3/2012 10:17 PM, Jon Elson wrote:

[Art Todesco]

On 3/3/2012 11:35 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 22:17:44 -0600, the renowned Jon Elson
> <el...@pico-systems.com> wrote:
>
>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I had (about year 1988) a lamp over my work bench. When I'd turn
>>> the grinder on, the bulb would blow. I blew through (sorry, not funny)
>>> a four pack of Phillips, and then had a GE, or was it Sylvania. Anyhow,
>>> the different brand lasted a lot longer.
>>>
>>> I wonder if the LED corn cob bulbs will stand up to vibration? At seven
>>> dollars a bulb, what's the pay back time? LONG time, I'm sure.
>>
>> Oh, if it was truly shock to the filament, both CFL and LEDs should
>> be much more robust. The LEDs should be able to take massive mechanical
>> abuse, probably the first thing to go would be the plastic housings.
>>
>> Jon
>
> Don't use them (LED or CFL) on garage door openers, though.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany

Why? I have used CFLs in my garage openers for, well, since CFLs came
out. And, other than one premature failure, they have always been good.
Plus, you can put a 100 watt equivalent CFL in a fixture whose maximum
filament wattage is 60 ... so you eek out a few extra lumens.

[Attila.Iskander]

"azotic" <H.B...@network.com> wrote in message
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Well then you had better not eat them

[dpb]

On 3/4/2012 7:57 AM, Art Todesco wrote:
...

> Why? I have used CFLs in my garage openers for, well, since CFLs came
> out. And, other than one premature failure, they have always been good.
> Plus, you can put a 100 watt equivalent CFL in a fixture whose maximum
> filament wattage is 60 ... so you eek out a few extra lumens.

For some reason which I don't know the cause of, a CFL won't light in my
opener socket...the instructions say they won't work but doesn't give
the reason, specifically.

--

[DougC]

On 3/3/2012 10:17 PM, Jon Elson wrote:

[DougC]

On 3/3/2012 10:17 PM, Jon Elson wrote:

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:24:27 -0500, "J. Clarke" <jclark...@cox.net>
wrote:

And ALL of the "hazardous" material is totally encapsulated in the
plasic "dome" of most LEDs.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

Likely a solid state switch.

[RBM]

If you are comparing them to a 150 watt par38, or 150 watt R-40 flood,
which are typical style lamps for large recessed down lights, you'd be
incorrect about the light output. Of course, both these types of lamp
are no longer available in 150 watts, in an incandescent type, but when
they were, either type delivered over 2000 lumens compared to the
approximately 800 produced by the LED. Par's and R's also direct the
light downward unlike an "A" lamp.

[Tomsic]

"DougC" <dci...@norcom2000.com> wrote in message
news:QsP4r.8888$wf....@newsfe09.iad...

The so-called "shock and vibration service" inandescent bulbs are still
available and are on the DOE exempt list, so they shouldn't disappear due to
federal regulations. Each type is made a little differently, but a lamp
designed to withstand shock has more filament supports than standard bulbs
and to compare lamps those can be counted simply by looking at the lamp
(assuming it's a clear lamp).

For use in garage door openers and task lights with machine tools, I use
bulbs made for electric signs and you can find them at distributors or on
line. They're marked "sign service" in some lamp catalogs and are usually
made in 11, 15, 25 and 40 watt sizes. Their filaments use a
rhenium-tungsten alloy that only works with lower-wattage bulbs, but is
great at resisting breakage from shock and vibration.

Tomsic

[Louis Litt]

"dpb" <no...@non.net> wrote in message news:jivvv1$ucu$2...@speranza.aioe.org...

Mine's a two bulb unit and the only way I could get a CFL to work was to put an incandescent in the other socket.

[Stormin Mormon]

You mean the ones for indoor use only? I'm telling Mom!

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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[gregz]

They are just like Christmas strings, all in series.

Greg

[gregz]

In corncobs style there are no electronic parts that shake loose. Those
other LEDs using voltage converters and current regulators, bigger parts
can fatigue over time, also in cfl circuits.

I was just checking out led display at home depot. Pretty cool. Cool white,
warm white. Some of the large aluminum fins do get warm. Bright !

Greg

[Martin Eastburn]

We were running a CFL light in one side and a bug light
in the other side. The CFL was 'bug yellow' - so they though...
That xxx lamp draws bugs and takes several minutes to put out light.

Rip off for a bug light.
LED's might be better.
Martin

[grumpy]

<cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
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Only in preferable Environment

[anti-...@online.com]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 20:55:14 -0400, "grumpy" <t.s...@verizon.net> wrote:

>>>At my church, we have a lot of "can lights" in the ceiling. They
>>>had been taking out the 150 watt filament bulbs, and using CF
>>>"curly cue" bulbs. Now they are installing LED flood lights, and
>>>are totally pleased with them.
>>>
>>>They T-30 are about $40 each, and can't remember. 18 watts
>>>power draw, is it? Brighter actually than the 150 watt filament
>>>bulbs that had been in there. The flood light style throws the light
>>>down and out, instead of bouncing around the tin can.

Churches have lots of money, and they never work for it. They just rob
people who are stupid enough to join their church. They should pay
double what others pay for bulbs. After all, God will reimburse them!!!

Jesus was a crooked Jew who still robs people today, 2000 years later.
Never let any Jew near your wallet!!!!

[Richard]

You post that on Easter eve?

May the Lord "reimburse" you too.

[anti-...@online.com]

On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 22:59:15 -0500, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Of course, Jesus was the king of the Jews. King because he robbed
everyone and still does today.

Never let any Jew near your wallet!!!! (Especially Jesus Christ).

[Richard]

"Forgive him, Father, for he knows not what he does"

[The Ghost In The Machine]

On Apr 8, 12:12 am, anti-chr...@online.com wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 22:59:15 -0500, Richard <cavel...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 4/7/2012 10:11 PM, anti-chr...@online.com wrote:

> >> On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 20:55:14 -0400, "grumpy"<t.se...@verizon.net>  wrote:
>
> >>>>> At my church, we have a lot of  "can lights" in the ceiling. They
> >>>>> had been taking out the 150 watt filament bulbs, and using CF
> >>>>> "curly cue" bulbs. Now they are installing LED flood lights, and
> >>>>> are totally pleased with them.
>
> >>>>> They T-30 are about $40 each, and can't remember. 18 watts
> >>>>> power draw, is it? Brighter actually  than the 150 watt filament
> >>>>> bulbs that had been in there. The flood light style throws the light
> >>>>> down and out, instead of bouncing around the tin can.
>
> >> Churches have lots of money, and they never work for it.  They just rob
> >> people who are stupid enough to join their church.  They should pay
> >> double what others pay for bulbs.  After all, God will reimburse them!!!
>
> >> Jesus was a crooked Jew who still robs people today, 2000 years later.
> >> Never let any Jew near your wallet!!!!
>
> >You post that on Easter eve?
>
> >May the Lord "reimburse" you too.
>
> Of course, Jesus was the king of the Jews.  King because he robbed
> everyone and still does today.
>
> Never let any Jew near your wallet!!!! (Especially Jesus Christ).

FUCK OFF FOOL!

PATECUM

[John Doe]

anti-christ online.com wrote:

> Richard <cavelamb earthlink.net> wrote:

>> anti-christ online.com wrote:

>>> Churches have lots of money, and they never work for it. They
>>> just rob people who are stupid enough to join their church.
>>> They should pay double what others pay for bulbs. After all,
>>> God will reimburse them!!!
>>>
>>> Jesus was a crooked Jew who still robs people today, 2000
>>> years later. Never let any Jew near your wallet!!!!

>> You post that on Easter eve?
>> May the Lord "reimburse" you too.

> Of course, Jesus was the king of the Jews. King because he
> robbed everyone and still does today.

That's just weird.

--

>
> Never let any Jew near your wallet!!!! (Especially Jesus Christ).
>
>
>
>

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[J. Clarke]

In article <vs32o75m8u7quek5j...@4ax.com>, anti-
chr...@online.com says...

I'm an atheist, but I know an anti-semitic neonazi jackass when I see
one. <plonk>

[harry]

On Apr 8, 5:12 am, anti-chr...@online.com wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 22:59:15 -0500, Richard <cavel...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 4/7/2012 10:11 PM, anti-chr...@online.com wrote:

> >> On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 20:55:14 -0400, "grumpy"<t.se...@verizon.net>  wrote:
>
> >>>>> At my church, we have a lot of  "can lights" in the ceiling. They
> >>>>> had been taking out the 150 watt filament bulbs, and using CF
> >>>>> "curly cue" bulbs. Now they are installing LED flood lights, and
> >>>>> are totally pleased with them.
>
> >>>>> They T-30 are about $40 each, and can't remember. 18 watts
> >>>>> power draw, is it? Brighter actually  than the 150 watt filament
> >>>>> bulbs that had been in there. The flood light style throws the light
> >>>>> down and out, instead of bouncing around the tin can.
>
> >> Churches have lots of money, and they never work for it.  They just rob
> >> people who are stupid enough to join their church.  They should pay
> >> double what others pay for bulbs.  After all, God will reimburse them!!!
>
> >> Jesus was a crooked Jew who still robs people today, 2000 years later.
> >> Never let any Jew near your wallet!!!!
>
> >You post that on Easter eve?
>
> >May the Lord "reimburse" you too.
>
> Of course, Jesus was the king of the Jews.  King because he robbed
> everyone and still does today.
>

> Never let any Jew near your wallet!!!! (Especially Jesus Christ).- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I think you will find it is the modern adherents of Christianity that
rob people.
Such as the nutty religions in the USA.

BTW, Jesus was not a Jew, he was a Palestinian. He spoke Aramiac, a
precursor of Arabic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Language.2C_race_and_appearance

[J. Clarke]

In article <e372304a-6140-4840-b685-
be0fc3...@z38g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>, harol...@aol.com says...

So what was his religion then? Was he a pagan animist or something?

[Stormin Mormon]

My friend,
HeyBub will soon be in contact with you, on this forum. He doesn't take
well to being called names.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"J. Clarke" <jclark...@cox.net> wrote in message

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[Stormin Mormon]

Jesus taught in the temples, and a few other clues of his religion.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"J. Clarke" <jclark...@cox.net> wrote in message

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In article <e372304a-6140-4840-b685-
be0fc3...@z38g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>, harol...@aol.com says...
>

[harry]

On Apr 8, 12:22 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarkeuse...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <e372304a-6140-4840-b685-
> be0fc38a6...@z38g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>, haroldhr...@aol.com says...

> So what was his religion then?  Was he a pagan animist or something?- Hide quoted text -

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Christianity as we know it was an invention after he died.
The bible as we know it was heavily censored and edited by the synods
of Antioch.
So the whole edifice is a pure invention/fiction devised so that a
priest caste could make a good living out ofthe ignorance of the
general populace.
As they still do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synods_of_Antioch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic_Gospels

[J. Clarke]

In article <04356535-4e9d-46c6-9400-db8c682dc139
@x17g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, harol...@aol.com says...

Oh for the sake of Ghu, why did I not include "don't anybody "help"
him"?

[The Daring Dufas]

Personally, I decided to convert and become a Pastafarian, everyone is
welcome. Come join us and be sated. ^_^

http://www.venganza.org/

TDD

[harry]

On Apr 8, 6:37 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarkeuse...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <04356535-4e9d-46c6-9400-db8c682dc139
> @x17g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, haroldhr...@aol.com says...

> him"?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Ghu????????????

[J. Clarke]

In article <db7bb9c8-a265-4b9d-8d4f-32ca1bbae3c6
@n5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, harol...@aol.com says...

One of the major deities of Fantheism.

[The Daring Dufas]

Are you sure you didn't mean "Pantheism"? You could have been making an
esoteric reference to "Ghu" a religious icon of the Andorians from the
Star Trek universe? o_O

TDD

[Stormin Mormon]

Last place in the universe that sells 100 watt incandescents?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"The Daring Dufas" <the-dari...@stinky.net> wrote in message
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[Winston]

The Daring Dufas wrote:

(...)

> Personally, I decided to convert and become a Pastafarian, everyone is welcome. Come join us and be sated. ^_^
>
> http://www.venganza.org/

Sauce be upon Him, brother.

:)

--Winston

[Winston]

harry wrote:

(...)

> Ghu????????????

Not much. What's Ghu with you?

--Winston

[The Daring Dufas]

May The Shower Of Parmesan descend upon you brother. ^_^

TDD

[Michael A. Terrell]

Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> Last place in the universe that sells 100 watt incandescents?

Walmart still had some, a few days ago. I guess that it would depend
on which store you use. It's amazing, though. I saw four packs of
incandescents for $1, next to two packs of CFLs for $15.

I have about 100, 100 W left, so I should run out about the time I
die. :)

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:06:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>> Last place in the universe that sells 100 watt incandescents?
>
>
>
> Walmart still had some, a few days ago. I guess that it would depend
>on which store you use. It's amazing, though. I saw four packs of
>incandescents for $1, next to two packs of CFLs for $15.
>
> I have about 100, 100 W left, so I should run out about the time I
>die. :)

May the wind be always at your back, and may you outlast your stash of
incandescents.

[Winston]

:)

--Winston

[Gunner Asch]

Hear hear!!

[Tomsic]

"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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There won't be any shortage of standard 100 watt bulbs for years -- if ever.
They're still on the shelves at the same prices as last year in my area and
Canada has postponed its phase-out for the 100 watt for another two years.
I've seen a 50 watt halogen bulb that emits 1600 lumens and is rated for
1500 hours life and which looks and operates like a standard incandescent
bulb. It meets all the federal and state requirements now on the books, so
I'm wondering what all the fuss is about.

Tomsic

[Harry Johnson]

On 4/9/2012 5:21 PM, Tomsic wrote:
>
> There won't be any shortage of standard 100 watt bulbs for years -- if ever.
> They're still on the shelves at the same prices as last year in my area and
> Canada has postponed its phase-out for the 100 watt for another two years.
> I've seen a 50 watt halogen bulb that emits 1600 lumens and is rated for
> 1500 hours life and which looks and operates like a standard incandescent
> bulb. It meets all the federal and state requirements now on the books, so
> I'm wondering what all the fuss is about.
>
> Tomsic
>
>
>
>

Yep!

Show me someone who is still using 100 watt incandescent bulbs and I'll
show you a fucking idiot.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Thanks. :)

I also have supplies of 40 & 60 Watt for other needs around the house
& shop. Like the 60 W green bulbs that are use in my outdoor lights at
Christmas. The green CFL just look like crap.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> Hear hear!!


Where? Where? ;-)

[Michael A. Terrell]

The only place I've seen them so far is Walmart, and they only have
about two feet of shelf space, compared to 150+ feet before 20012.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Yawn. CFLs won't fit some fixtures, and their color temperature
really sucks. Some places they are used as both a source of light and
heat. CFLs don't work well at low temperatures, or in enclosed fixtures
where they overheat. conventional florescent lamps flicker at 120 Hz.
I have a very short persistence of vision and they can give me migraines
if I'm under them for too long. That makes you the fucking idiot,
Doesn't it?

[John Doe]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>

> Harry Johnson wrote:
>>
>> On 4/9/2012 5:21 PM, Tomsic wrote:
>> >
>> > There won't be any shortage of standard 100 watt bulbs for
>> > years -- if ever. They're still on the shelves at the same
>> > prices as last year in my area and Canada has postponed its
>> > phase-out for the 100 watt for another two years. I've seen a
>> > 50 watt halogen bulb that emits 1600 lumens and is rated for
>> > 1500 hours life and which looks and operates like a standard
>> > incandescent bulb. It meets all the federal and state
>> > requirements now on the books, so I'm wondering what all the
>> > fuss is about.
>> >
>> > Tomsic
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Yep!
>>
>> Show me someone who is still using 100 watt incandescent bulbs
>> and I'll show you a fucking idiot.
>
>
> Yawn. CFLs won't fit some fixtures, and their color
> temperature
> really sucks.

Not true. Some Compact Fluorescent Light bulbs are bright and
beautiful, at least as white as incandescent. I'm using them. If
all you care about is price, naturally you just grab General
Electric, and that's your mistake.

--

[Michael A. Terrell]

John Doe wrote:
>
> Not true. Some Compact Fluorescent Light bulbs are bright and
> beautiful, at least as white as incandescent.

At least as white? That is meaningless. The human eye is used to
sunlight, and the closer a lamp's color temperature is to the sun's the
better it is for proper color rendition.

> I'm using them. If all you care about is price, naturally you just
> grab General Electric, and that's your mistake.

Yawn. Is that how you shop, by price alone? If that were true, they
would use the crap in TV & movie studios, instead of color corrected
Halogens. How many TV studios have you engineered? How many times have
you done lighting for a remote feed, or for a good quality Industrial
Video production. How many TV stations did you work as an engineer?
How many TV stations did you build?


Only one florescent lamp here is a GE It is a small, under counter
lamp in the laundry buiilding and has been there for 13 years.

I'm sure that you have no clue that GE and other companies make a
broad range of both Incandescent & Florescent lamps. If you did, you
wouldn't have made that vague comment.

[Abraham O'Malley]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:zpGdnXJ1JIL57x7S...@earthlink.com...

>
> Yawn. CFLs won't fit some fixtures, and their color temperature
> really sucks. Some places they are used as both a source of light and
> heat. CFLs don't work well at low temperatures, or in enclosed fixtures
> where they overheat. conventional florescent lamps flicker at 120 Hz.
> I have a very short persistence of vision and they can give me migraines
> if I'm under them for too long. That makes you the fucking idiot,
> Doesn't it?
>
>

I have installed 19 of these so far.
Even my persnickety wife likes them.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202920469/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=418400&storeId=10051

[John Doe]

You don't have to believe it. Enjoy your blissful ignorance,
I don't care.

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[Stormin Mormon]

In your ear, ear.

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Learn more about Jesus
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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[Michael A. Terrell]

John Doe wrote:
>
> You don't have to believe it. Enjoy your blissful ignorance,
> I don't care.

You never do, when someone presents facts. After all, there is real
science behind light. Unlike trolling.

I suppose the forged messages will start again? That is your typical
MO, when people start to ignore you.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Good for her. :)

How is it for reading EIA color codes? Or for reading the tiny print
on SMD components? My eyesight is poor, and none of the Florescent or
LED lights I've tried so far render the proper color. That makes it
impossible to read component values. I had a pair of 80W florescent
tubes four feet above my workbench at my last job, and still needed fill
lighting. I have four 40W over my main workbench at home, yet I have
three or more incandescent clamp lights there for critical work. I was
working on surface mount electronics. Some of the leads were spaced
.015", center to center. I had to be able to see them, to look for
shorts or bad solder joints.

How about for lighting for color photography, or don't you care about
proper color reproduction? It would only take about $750 worth of those
to get enough light for a very tiny photo booth, instead of all the
color corrected light I need for about $200. Sometimes you need a dozen
or more light sources to remove all the shadows of irregularly shaped
items. I have a couple web cameras with LED lighting, and the color
rendition sucks.

I have some CFLs & LED lights, but only in non critical locations.
One LED light is on one of my gateposts. The other is a 15 W halogen,
making the first post light brighter to locate the driveway. The second
only needs to show you what not to hit. :)

[Michael A. Terrell]

Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> In your ear, ear.


Is that what's causing the double tinitus? :(

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:31:49 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"

<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:06:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Last place in the universe that sells 100 watt incandescents?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Walmart still had some, a few days ago. I guess that it would depend
>> >on which store you use. It's amazing, though. I saw four packs of
>> >incandescents for $1, next to two packs of CFLs for $15.
>> >
>> > I have about 100, 100 W left, so I should run out about the time I
>> >die. :)
>>
>> May the wind be always at your back, and may you outlast your stash of
>> incandescents.
>
>
> Thanks. :)
>
> I also have supplies of 40 & 60 Watt for other needs around the house
>& shop. Like the 60 W green bulbs that are use in my outdoor lights at
>Christmas. The green CFL just look like crap.

They all look green (baby crap green).

[Michael A. Terrell]

"k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
>
> They all look green (baby crap green).

Not when it pitch black outside. The incandescent 'Party Bulb' is a
deep green. The CFL, is closer to chartreuse.

[pyotr filipivich]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Mon, 09 Apr 2012
19:36:07 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>
>> Yep!
>>
>> Show me someone who is still using 100 watt incandescent bulbs and I'll
>> show you a fucking idiot.
>
>
> Yawn. CFLs won't fit some fixtures, and their color temperature
>really sucks. Some places they are used as both a source of light and
>heat. CFLs don't work well at low temperatures, or in enclosed fixtures
>where they overheat. conventional florescent lamps flicker at 120 Hz.
>I have a very short persistence of vision and they can give me migraines
>if I'm under them for too long. That makes you the fucking idiot,
>Doesn't it?

Florescence bulbs also cause problems with people with "sensory
issues". Nothing like being a in a class room or lecture hall, with
the lights strobing to enhance the educational experience.
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

[pyotr filipivich]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Mon, 09 Apr 2012

13:06:40 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>
>Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>> Last place in the universe that sells 100 watt incandescents?
>
>
>
> Walmart still had some, a few days ago. I guess that it would depend
>on which store you use. It's amazing, though. I saw four packs of
>incandescents for $1, next to two packs of CFLs for $15.
>
> I have about 100, 100 W left, so I should run out about the time I
>die. :)

There is a guy in Germany who is selling 99 watt "heat lamps".

[John Doe]

pyotr filipivich <phamp mindspring.com> wrote:

> Florescence bulbs also cause problems with people with "sensory
> issues". Nothing like being a in a class room or lecture hall, with
> the lights strobing to enhance the educational experience.

Because Glenn Beck told you so.

--

> --
> pyotr
> Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
> you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
> question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
> does it take to change a lightbulb.
>
>

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[Stormin Mormon]

Do you mean "heat balls"? I've heard of heat balls.

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"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>> Last place in the universe that sells 100 watt incandescents?
>

[Michael A. Terrell]

pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> Florescence bulbs also cause problems with people with "sensory
> issues". Nothing like being a in a class room or lecture hall, with
> the lights strobing to enhance the educational experience.

That makes you want to take a broom and smash all the bad bulbs. :(

[Michael A. Terrell]

pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> There is a guy in Germany who is selling 99 watt "heat lamps".

Yeah, but they are 240 V :(

[Michael A. Terrell]

Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> Do you mean "heat balls"? I've heard of heat balls.

Heat (IR) lamps have been around for generations. Some have red
glass to block almost everything, except IR.

[Tomsic]

"John Doe" <jd...@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
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> pyotr filipivich <phamp mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Florescence bulbs also cause problems with people with "sensory
>> issues". Nothing like being a in a class room or lecture hall, with
>> the lights strobing to enhance the educational experience.
>
> Because Glenn Beck told you so.
>

There may be "sensory" issues with fluorescent lighting, but strobing is no
longer one of them. That went away with the advent of electronic ballasts.
Sure, there's still some installations with electromagnetic ballasts
around, but anything installed in the last 10 years uses electronic
high-frequency ballasts including consumer CFLs.

Tomsic

[pyotr filipivich]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Fri, 13 Apr 2012
19:39:14 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>
>pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>
>> Florescence bulbs also cause problems with people with "sensory
>> issues". Nothing like being a in a class room or lecture hall, with
>> the lights strobing to enhance the educational experience.
>
>
> That makes you want to take a broom and smash all the bad bulbs. :(

For people on the spectrum - that's all florescent bulbs.

tschus
pyotr