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From: The Daring Dufas <the-daring-du...@stinky-finger.net>
Newsgroups: alt.home.repair
Subject: Re: Installation Cost of Nat Gas Generator?
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:38:19 -0600
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On 11/18/2012 8:04 AM, George wrote:
> On 11/17/2012 3:47 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
>> On 11/17/2012 12:36 PM, George wrote:
>>> On 11/17/2012 11:31 AM, Han wrote:
>>>> Arnie Goetchius <arnie.goetch...@invalid.domain> wrote in
>>>> news:k889c8$vo9$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> Han wrote:
>>>>>> "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:x9qdnfrGwep6RjvNnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> trad...@optonline.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A pile of gas cans is not a small problem.  Even with stabilizer
>>>>>>>> added, it only lasts so long.   How long depends
>>>>>>>> on how lucky you feel.   So, you still have a bunch of gas
>>>>>>>> cans to manage.   You can also siphon it out of your cars,
>>>>>>>> but that's no fun either.   I'd probably go with a natural gas
>>>>>>>> portable.  I've seen 5KW or so ones for $2,000 with a
>>>>>>>> Honda Engine.   You could also get a conversion kit and
>>>>>>>> a gasoline generator and make one yourself for about
>>>>>>>> half that.   Some kits allow use of 3 fuels and you can
>>>>>>>> switch back and forth between gasonline, propane, nat
>>>>>>>> gas.  Overall, one of those approaches sound better
>>>>>>>> than a Generac standby to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's another strategy that mitigates the problem of managing gas
>>>>>>> cans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have ONE five-gallon can full of gas and ten or more empty ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have a local outage - say a pole gets knocked down - the five
>>>>>>> gallons should provide enough slack such that you can fetch more
>>>>>>> from a station outside the black-out zone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If, on the other hand, wide-spread outage is possible, such as the
>>>>>>> warnings over Sandy or a hurricane entering the Gulf, you'll have
>>>>>>> ample warning to fill all the cans you have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That would be my thinking.  FWIW, Sandy has shown that something
>>>>>> needs to be done to insure a supply of gasoline to gas stations, plus
>>>>>> gas stations will need to have generators ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hereabouts, the story is that someone came to his regular gas
>>>>>> station, and asked for gas.  Gas station guy said I have gas, but no
>>>>>> power.  Customer says, I'll loan you my generators, be right back.
>>>>>> Result:  Long lines at that gas station.
>>>>>>
>>>>> In my town, the town provided generators to a couple of local gas
>>>>> stations. The station I go to said the generator caused the computer
>>>>> to shut down and he could only pump gas while the computer was
>>>>> working. I suspect that if he had a UPS and had the generator charging
>>>>> the UPS, he would have been OK.
>>>>
>>>> For some reason they only accepted cash ...
>>>
>>> Have you considered that processing credit or debit cards at a typical
>>> gas station POS system requires an Internet connection?
>>>
>>
>> Many of them use a satellite link. Next time you go by a gas station
>> look for a satellite dish on the roof, it may not be for TV. I know
>> this because I service and install POS systems in a lot of businesses
>> which have a satellite link for primary or backup data communications
>> with their corporate office. ^_^
>>
>> TDD
>>
> That used to be the popular way to do it in my general area. As Internet
> availability became more common they just connect a datawire gateway box
> from the POS to the network.

A lot of the retailers I've been servicing are switching to DSL as their 
primary data link and using the Hughes Satellite as a backup.
Some are doing away with the satellite link and going T1 or DSL as
the primary data link and a unit manufactured by Feeney Wireless
using the 3G cellphone network as the backup. A few locations are
even using cable modems for data communications. The data speed is
much greater with the 3G modems than the satellite links and perhaps
the retailers are getting a better deal on price compared to what they 
have been paying Hughes. I'm waiting for the neutrino based or quantum
particle based instantaneous communication modems in the near future. ^_^

TDD