OT US foriegn policy, Ron Paul and terrorism.

[harry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4a__tcfFug

[Roy]

On Sunday, January 29, 2012 1:33:55 AM UTC-7, harry wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4a__tcfFug

If I was an American I would definitely support Ron Paul.

[harry]

My thoughts exactly.

[Tony Hwang]

Hi,
Ditto. He has something right between his ears.

[HeyBub]

When the UK abrogated its role as world policeman after WWII, the US took
over the job. If not the US, then who? China? Russia? Somalia?

In 1960, South Korea had the same per-capita income as Uganda. Today, it
ranks 4th. Most believe the 50,000 troops we have in the contry have
deterred the North from further escapades.

In Europe, there has been a war, historically, about every fifteen minutes.
With 120,000 US troops in place, minor irritations haven't escalated into
general war in almost seven decades (the longest Europe has been at peace
since before the invention of moveable type (in China) ).

And why should the U.S. BE the world's policeman?

"Because we're here, lad. There's no one else. Just us. Now face the front
and mark your target when he comes. There's a good lad."

[Home Guy]

harry wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4a__tcfFug

Yes.

Far too many Americans are either disengenuous about not knowing their
own recent history, or are totally ignorant (or un-critical) of the
consequences of their gov'ts foreign policy and military activities.

[Frank]

Polls have shown that most of Paul's support comes from those that would
otherwise vote for Obama - the young and the ignorant.

Myself, Paul's what I call a 90%'er. I agree with 90% of what he says,
but the rest is just plain nuts.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

Since you aren't, STFU!

[JimT]

Would you care to explain the 10% that is "plain nuts"? That could be
interpreted as "I agree with 90% and 10% I don't understand."

Thanks

[tra...@optonline.net]

How about when all the candidates were asked
what the maximum income tax rate that was acceptable
to them..... RP's answer: zero

How about his position to cut the federal budget
by $1tril the first year? How realistic is that?


How about when asked if he thought Iran's development
of nuclear weapons was a problem.... RP's answer was, why shouldn't
everyone have one?.... He actually sounded like he wanted to HELP them
get one.

How about his giving excuses for 911, implying that it
would never have happened if we just stuck our heads in the
sand and ignored what's going on in the rest of the world?

How about when he wants to just withdraw all our troops
from South Korea, regardless of how that would be
interpreted by the north and the possible horrific
consequences?

How about when he wants to eliminate the FED, our
central bank, a function which every country of any
consequence on the face of the earth has?

Should I go on? He ready to be the villain in the next
Bond movie, not president.

[Oren]

Legalize Heroin?

"You wanna get rid of drug crime in this country? Fine, let's just get
rid of all the drug laws." --Ron Paul

[JimT]

We can't let Iran have nuclear weapons because of our failed foreign
policy which goes all the way back to the foundation of Israel. Are you
saying Iran doesn't have the right to defend itself? Look at their
neighbors. Wouldn't you want one?

> How about his giving excuses for 911, implying that it
> would never have happened if we just stuck our heads in the
> sand and ignored what's going on in the rest of the world?

Again, failed foreign policy.

> How about when he wants to just withdraw all our troops
> from South Korea, regardless of how that would be
> interpreted by the north and the possible horrific
> consequences?

Unsettling. I can't see abandoning SK. Great cars and great movies.

> How about when he wants to eliminate the FED, our
> central bank, a function which every country of any
> consequence on the face of the earth has?

I'll admit. I have almost no background in macro economics. 1 semester
doesn't make me qualified to comment. :)

I don't know of any notable economist suggesting we go back to the gold
standard. I know if we had any gold it would be long gone by now to pay
our debts.


>
> Should I go on?<snip>

Thanks. If you do know of anymore please post.

[JimT]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization

Take a look at countries that have tried it. The results are very
surprising.

What about all the legal drugs in the US? Tobacco and Alcohol. Should we
eliminate them?

[tra...@optonline.net]

On Jan 29, 3:55 pm, JimT <jthr...@toast.net> wrote:

Spoken just like a RP loon. It's like saying if only England,
France a bunch of other countries didn't piss off Hitler there
would be no problem.

Are you
> saying Iran doesn't have the right to defend itself? Look at their
> neighbors. Wouldn't you want one?

What I want or don't want isn't the issue. What is the
issue is a country run by totalitarian Islamic extemists, whose leader
denies the holocaust, has called for wiping Israel off the map and
guns down those who dare protest
in public. What big threat exactly was Iran facing that
required nuclear weapons? Iran is threatening to wipe
Israel off the map and denies their right to exist, not the
other way around. And if the US wanted to whack Iran
we had more than enough reason all the way back to
1980 to do so. Yet, only now because they are developing
nukes is the US and Europe finally trying to stop them.
So far, it ain't working.

> > How about his giving excuses for 911, implying that it
> > would never have happened if we just stuck our heads in the
> > sand and ignored what's going on in the rest of the world?
>
> Again, failed foreign policy.

Again, spoken like a loon that blames the US for
everything and anything. No matter what we did
or didn't do, it would never be right.

>
> > How about when he wants to just withdraw all our troops
> > from South Korea, regardless of how that would be
> > interpreted by the north and the possible horrific
> > consequences?
>
> Unsettling. I can't see abandoning SK. Great cars and great movies.

RP wants to do exactly that. And I'd rank a lot of reasons
above cars and movies.

>
> > How about when he wants to eliminate the FED, our
> > central bank, a function which every country of any
> > consequence on the face of the earth has?
>
> I'll admit. I have almost no background in macro economics. 1 semester
> doesn't make me qualified to comment. :)

I have a minor in economics and it's nuts. Go find
the opinions of economists across the spectrum and
you'll find RP is in the few percent. You see any
business leaders in favor of it?

>
> I don't know of any notable economist suggesting we go back to the gold
> standard. I know if we had any gold it would be long gone by now to pay
> our debts.
>
>

Exactly. We do have gold in Fort Knox, but you're right it
sure isn't anywhere in the spectrum of our debt. But
RP thinks returning to the gold standard is what we need
to do. How exactly you do that with only a tiny bit of
gold versus the dollars out there, I don't know. Better
ask RP.

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <ufWdnVWetsnXL7jS...@posted.toastnet>,

JimT <jth...@toast.net> wrote:


>
>
> We can't let Iran have nuclear weapons because of our failed foreign
> policy which goes all the way back to the foundation of Israel. Are you
> saying Iran doesn't have the right to defend itself? Look at their
> neighbors. Wouldn't you want one?

Not remotely far enough back (g). A lot of this hassles in the Middle
East started from when the Europeans first stuck their nose in the area.
Besides, this is hardly our policy, since the founding of Israel was a
UN thingy (largely, again, at the behest of the Europeans who did not
want a Jewish nation in their neck of the woods). I thought all things
UN were holy (grin).
The Palestinians are largely the result of the Locals anyway. They
could have long ago put a Palestinian nation to rest if they had done
anything other than keep them in camps. But then they couldn't stir them
up against the Israelis and might have actually to make changes in their
own countries without the Jews to blame.
I note that every inch of the disputed territories was taken by the
Israelis only after an overt act of war. The Great and Noble Arab
Warrior gets his ass handed to him in a war and cries about it. I also
note that every inch of countryside taken from the countries that have
signed peace treaties has been given back LONG ago.

>
>
> > How about his giving excuses for 911, implying that it
> > would never have happened if we just stuck our heads in the
> > sand and ignored what's going on in the rest of the world?
>
> Again, failed foreign policy.
>
>
> > How about when he wants to just withdraw all our troops
> > from South Korea, regardless of how that would be
> > interpreted by the north and the possible horrific
> > consequences?
>
> Unsettling. I can't see abandoning SK. Great cars and great movies.
>
> > How about when he wants to eliminate the FED, our
> > central bank, a function which every country of any
> > consequence on the face of the earth has?
>
> I'll admit. I have almost no background in macro economics. 1 semester
> doesn't make me qualified to comment. :)
>
> I don't know of any notable economist suggesting we go back to the gold
> standard. I know if we had any gold it would be long gone by now to pay
> our debts.
>
>
> >
> > Should I go on?<snip>
>
> Thanks. If you do know of anymore please post.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

[Tony Hwang]

Hmm,
American foreign policy is like trying to teach how to use fork
instead of fingers or chop sticks.

[Tony Hwang]

If you want to talk anout it, you better know more anout the historical
truth first.

For one, Koreans did not want to divide their country after the WWII.
You, USA and USSR forced it upon them. Did you know that Roosevelt
wanted th share the secret of Nuke bomb with Russians? Churchill
objected to it. Why did you choke off gasoline supply for Gen. Patton's
tanks when he was advancing towards Russian border? Do you know who
really killed him?

[Frank]

Foreign policy, isolationism, us being responsible for goading the
Muslims to attack us - mainly in that area.

He also favors dropping drug restrictions which is strange for a doctor
to do since the country went through a period where half the people were
addicted.

[JimT]

Funny. I think that's why I like RP. See the article I posted above
about drug legalization.

My main issue against RP is Korea and his idea to return to the gold
standard. Korea is probably a given. We can't abandon our agreements and
the idea to return to the gold standard in today's economy would
seemingly be "plain nuts". I'll look into it some more.

Thanks

[HeyBub]

Historical truth is irrelevant to the subject at hand.

You raise some interesting issues about which I knew nothing. Similarily,
I'm in the dark about dark matter, whether Madonna still shaves her private
area, the recipe for Coca-Cola, where the American National Standard Orgasm
is kept, where a fire goes when it goes out, how high is up, and other
pressing issues.

Regrettably, my ignorance on these matters has nothing to do with whether
the U.S. is, or should be, the world's policeman.

[HeyBub]

JimT wrote:
>
> We can't let Iran have nuclear weapons because of our failed foreign
> policy which goes all the way back to the foundation of Israel. Are
> you saying Iran doesn't have the right to defend itself? Look at their
> neighbors. Wouldn't you want one?

Let's look at Iran's neighbors:
* Iraq. A (sort of) functioning democracy,
* Turkey, another democracy,
* Turkmenistan,
* Afghanistan, and
* Pakistan.

The only member of the above list that has the capability of threatening
Iran is Pakistan. Pakistan has had nuclear weapons for some time now and
hasn't used them or threatened Iran in any way.

[Oren]

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:26:21 -0700, Tony Hwang <drag...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>American foreign policy is like trying to teach how to use fork
>instead of fingers or chop sticks.

Some things just don't need changing, do they....

[JimT]

I wonder how many times the territory we call Iran has been invaded?
Just about every world conqueror since Alexander the Great has marched
through. Then if the neighbors don't make you nervious, what about the
situation in the middle east in general? What about the US installing
the Shah? What about the US arming Saddam? I'd say they have plenty to
be at concerned about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_%28intelligence%29>

We diddle around the world for the almighty buck and cry when it fails.
If you're going to diddle, you're going to get blowback. "For every
action there is an equal and opposite reaction."~ Issac Newton.

[Dick Keats]

<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:l34bi79hlbvd8mu1t...@4ax.com...

I second the motion.
It annoys me when aliens try to get involved in our domestic business.

[JimT]

Oh brother! The U.S. has it's nose up everybody's ass and this guy is
upset about someone with an opinion.

[Attila.Iskander]

"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7845d899-30a7-4963...@l14g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...

But since you are not, and an idiot to boot, your opinion is moot.

[Attila.Iskander]

"Tony Hwang" <drag...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:xNjVq.5290$JN6....@newsfe13.iad...

So you suggest that Korea should have been left to Russian or Chinese
Control ??
We can see how letting North Korea become another Soviet Heaven has worked
out for the people of North Korea

Rest of stupidities ignored

[Oren]

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:14:48 -0600, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

Pakistan is saving-up for India?

[Oren]

Third the motion. Count 'em up and they are most likely progressive
socialist, Liberals, spend my money and take my cows away group of
people.

[Jim T]

The only reason all of you want foreigners out of our politics is
because you have a bunch a buffoons running for POTUS and you're
embarrassed. As well you should be.

[Stormin Mormon]

I'd have to guess, that plenty of people in other nations don't appreciate
the USA meddling in their affairs.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

[Roy]

Yes, you frickin' teabaggers would love to suppress ALL dissent...typical response from YOU.
==

[The Daring Dufas]

On 1/29/2012 7:18 PM, Dick Keats wrote:

Heck, I might go all al-Qaeda on them for messing with my country. ^_^

TDD

[The Daring Dufas]

Why would those who practice the sexual perversion of tea-bagging want
to suppress anyone? I would think they would be quite liberal in their
lifestyle. ^_^

TDD

[harry]

On Jan 29, 9:01 pm, JimT <jthr...@toast.net> wrote:
> On 1/29/2012 2:45 PM, Oren wrote:
>
>
>
>
>

> > On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:27:13 -0800 (PST), "trad...@optonline.net"
> > <trad...@optonline.net>  wrote:

> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decrim...

>
> Take a look at countries that have tried it. The results are very
> surprising.
>
> What about all the legal drugs in the US? Tobacco and Alcohol. Should we

> eliminate them?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Those Portuguese statistics are thought to be dodgy,ie manipulated by
the gov. there fortheir own purposes.
http://phillipsblog.dailymail.co.uk/2011/11/drug-legalisation-we-need-it-like-a-hole-in-the-head.html

[harry]

On Jan 29, 9:53 pm, "trad...@optonline.net" <trad...@optonline.net>

> ask RP.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

The thing about Iran calling for Israel to be wiped off the face of
the earth is a Jewish/American propaganda lie.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=37324

They are trying to con y'all into a new war. (To enrich bankers some
more)

Have you forgotten about Iraq and WMD already?
Americans ARE credulous DOPES.

[harry]

On Jan 30, 1:18 am, "Dick Keats" <dickke...@airmail.net> wrote:
> <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
>
> news:l34bi79hlbvd8mu1t...@4ax.com...
>

> > On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 06:30:11 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Sunday, January 29, 2012 1:33:55 AM UTC-7, harry wrote:
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4a__tcfFug
>
> >>If I was an American I would definitely support Ron Paul.
>
> > Since you aren't, STFU!
>
> I second the motion.
> It annoys me when aliens try to get involved in our domestic business.

Well you should leave the aliens alone. Stay at home. Make the world a
better place.

[harry]

On Jan 30, 2:48 am, "Stormin Mormon"

<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'd have to guess, that plenty of people in other nations don't appreciate
> the USA meddling in their affairs.
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
>  www.lds.org
> .

Well, if you poke a snake with a stick, it will bite you.

[HeyBub]

JimT wrote:
> On 1/29/2012 5:14 PM, HeyBub wrote:
>> JimT wrote:
>>> We can't let Iran have nuclear weapons because of our failed foreign
>>> policy which goes all the way back to the foundation of Israel. Are
>>> you saying Iran doesn't have the right to defend itself? Look at
>>> their neighbors. Wouldn't you want one?
>> Let's look at Iran's neighbors:
>> * Iraq. A (sort of) functioning democracy,
>> * Turkey, another democracy,
>> * Turkmenistan,
>> * Afghanistan, and
>> * Pakistan.
>>
>> The only member of the above list that has the capability of
>> threatening Iran is Pakistan. Pakistan has had nuclear weapons for
>> some time now and hasn't used them or threatened Iran in any way.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I wonder how many times the territory we call Iran has been invaded?
> Just about every world conqueror since Alexander the Great has marched
> through. Then if the neighbors don't make you nervious, what about the
> situation in the middle east in general? What about the US installing
> the Shah? What about the US arming Saddam? I'd say they have plenty to
> be at concerned about.

Admittedly, it's a violent region. Iran was once the aggressor, ruling at
one time the largest empire in the world - until someone stuood up to them.
I'm reminded of ---

--- begin quote

And so my king died, and my brothers died, barely a year ago. Long I
pondered my king's cryptic talk of victory. Time has proven him wise, for
from free Greek to free Greek, the word was spread that bold Leonidas and
his three hundred, so far from home, laid down their lives. Not just for
Sparta, but for all Greece and the promise this country holds.

Now, here on this ragged patch of earth called Plataea, Xerxes's hordes face
obliteration!

Just there the barbarians huddle, sheer terror gripping tight their hearts
with icy fingers... knowing full well what merciless horrors they suffered
at the swords and spears of three hundred. Yet they stare now across the
plain at TEN THOUSAND Spartans commanding thirty thousand free Greeks!
HA-OOH!

The enemy outnumber us a paltry three to one, good odds for any Greek. This
day we rescue a world from mysticism and tyranny and usher in a future
brighter than anything we can imagine.


Give thanks, men, to Leonidas and the brave 300!

TO VICTORY!

[JimT]

But tobacco, alcohol and caffeine are okay. We have double standards in
our drug laws I'll never understand.

[JimT]

Great story. I wonder how much is based on fact? :)

[tra...@optonline.net]

> >http://phillipsblog.dailymail.co.uk/2011/11/drug-legalisation-we-need...

>
> But tobacco, alcohol and caffeine are okay. We have double standards in

> our drug laws I'll never understand.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

You're not trying to tell us that the addicitve effects
of ALL drugs are the same and that they are
equally dangerous, are you? That heroin
is as dangerous or as addictive as caffeine? Let's
look at people as a group that are addicted to
tobacco and see how productive they are, are
they capable of supporting themselves, their
children, their criminal records, etc. Then let's
look at a group that is
addicted to heroin. You don't think there is
a substantial difference? How many people
age 17 to 30 have died from tobacco vs
heroin?

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <AcadnSuqdqxcfrvS...@posted.toastnet>,

JimT <jth...@toast.net> wrote:

> But tobacco, alcohol and caffeine are okay. We have double standards in
> our drug laws I'll never understand.

I would be hard pressed to put caffeine with the other two or controlled
substances in general. WIth the possible exception of a few people whose
heart can't stand the extra bump I don't think it kills many people.
Don't know of the last person I saw who was homeless or had sold all his
possessions to get another cup of coffee (Okay, MAYBE at a Starbucks).
Maybe caffeine has broken up a couple families as one of them got surly
or antsy with too many No-Doze. But overall, it doesn't seem to have the
impact.
The other two were more or less grandfathered being around.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

[JimT]

On 1/30/2012 12:56 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
> In article<AcadnSuqdqxcfrvS...@posted.toastnet>,
> JimT<jth...@toast.net> wrote:
>
>> But tobacco, alcohol and caffeine are okay. We have double standards in
>> our drug laws I'll never understand.
> I would be hard pressed to put caffeine with the other two or controlled
> substances in general. WIth the possible exception of a few people whose
> heart can't stand the extra bump I don't think it kills many people.
> Don't know of the last person I saw who was homeless or had sold all his
> possessions to get another cup of coffee (Okay, MAYBE at a Starbucks).
> Maybe caffeine has broken up a couple families as one of them got surly
> or antsy with too many No-Doze. But overall, it doesn't seem to have the
> impact.
> The other two were more or less grandfathered being around.
>

Fair enough. Probably the calories in a caffe latte are more dangerous
than the caffeine. :)

[harry]

> Great story. I wonder how much is based on fact? :)- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

It's well documented.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
I have been to visit the site.

[JimT]

Any recommendations on places to go in that area? We're probably going
to Florence next but it's not certain. Been talking about Germany too.

[HeyBub]

JimT wrote:
>> It's well documented.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
>> I have been to visit the site.
>
> Any recommendations on places to go in that area? We're probably
> going to Florence next but it's not certain. Been talking about
> Germany too.

Uh, Thermopylae is in far northeastern Greece.

[JimT]

um ....Thanks I know how to use google maps though. Did you think I
thought it was in Germany too. :)

[tra...@optonline.net]

As far as Italy goes, Florence didn'd do a whole lot for
me. Now the Amalfi Coast, that's spectacular. Was
in Ravello a couple years ago and the whole area there
is beautiful.

If you want to spend a lot of bucks on a once in a
lifetime hotel experience on the French Riviera, near
Monaco, let me know. The suite I had was like
out of a James Bond movie, overlooking the
Mediteranean, motorized blinds, sweeping 180deg
water views....

[Country]

On Jan 30, 2:05 am, The Daring Dufas <the-daring-du...@stinky.net>
wrote:

Everybody knows it's the conservatives that have the most weird
perversions. That's why they are so interested in what's going on in
everyone else's bedrooms. But none of them ever admit it because they
don't want anyone looking in their own bedrooms.

-C-

[JimT]

Thanks. We're planning for next year. I'll get a hold of you if we
choose Monaco. Sounds fantastic. So many places to go and so little time
and money!

The Florence idea came from the PBS show
http://www.pbs.org/empires/medici/.

[JimT]

I doubt perversion is partisan but the quote "The lady doth protest too
much...." does come to mind.

[Jim T]

We have the British to thank for the mess in Israel and the Palestinian
leaders for not knowing a deal when they had it. Well that boat has
sailed. I'd say let the British clean up their own mess, if they could.

[Stormin Mormon]

I've found that when a person starts with "everybody knows" that the
sentence that follows is generally incorrect. The "everybody knows" is a
tactic to supress dissent and discussion.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Country" <ShyP...@aol.com> wrote in message
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[HeyBub]

tra...@optonline.net wrote:
>
> You're not trying to tell us that the addicitve effects
> of ALL drugs are the same and that they are
> equally dangerous, are you? That heroin
> is as dangerous or as addictive as caffeine? Let's
> look at people as a group that are addicted to
> tobacco and see how productive they are, are
> they capable of supporting themselves, their
> children, their criminal records, etc. Then let's
> look at a group that is
> addicted to heroin. You don't think there is
> a substantial difference? How many people
> age 17 to 30 have died from tobacco vs
> heroin?

It's not all bad. When I went to advanced narcotics school as a cop, our
instructor told us "There's no such thing as a long-time Heroin user."

He also mentioned that "all opiates slow the peristaltic action of the large
intestine." Heroin, being almost the most opiate of the opiates slows it
down the most. Our instructor concluded: "There are several cases on record
of the large intestine of Heroin addicts rupturing and the addict dying from
peritonitis. So, when anyone asks you what you think of Heroin, you can
honestly say 'the idea is full of shit!' "

[HeyBub]

Kurt Ullman wrote:
> I note that every inch of the disputed territories was taken by
> the Israelis only after an overt act of war. The Great and Noble Arab
> Warrior gets his ass handed to him in a war and cries about it. I also
> note that every inch of countryside taken from the countries that have
> signed peace treaties has been given back LONG ago.
>

Except for Gaza.

Israel TRIED to give Gaza to Egypt. Egypt said "We don't want it. It's full
of Palestinians." After the '48 and '67 wars, a lot of Palestinians fled to
Jordan. Jordan kicked them out of the country, hence the name "Black
September" to commemorate the expulsion. Why? "Because they are (spit)
Palestinians." The Palestinians moved to Lebanon, the Riveria of the Middle
East and promptly fucked up the whole country. They were finally driven out
(but Lebanon remains fucked up) and decamped to Morocco and Cyprus.

Israel finally said enough and left the "Occupied areas" in the West Bank.
When the Israelis left, the Palestinians said good-bye to universal
sufferage, compulsory schooling for all children, even girls, a higher
standard of living and life expectancy of any Arab group, modern health care
and sanitation, and more. But they have a government, such as it is, that
they can call their own, so I guess it averages out.

[The Daring Dufas]

On 1/30/2012 5:53 PM, Country wrote:

I thought it was the stoic, inhibited British who had all the secret
perversions. Here in The States my Southern Baptist cousins probably
enjoy goat porn. I can pick on them because they make up half my kin.

TDD

[HeyBub]

I didn't know where you thought it was, that's why I volunteered it might
not be convenient to your proposed itinerary.

You can watch the move "300" and get all you need to know. The movie is
interesting for two reasons: 1) It is historically VERY accurate, down to
the speeches given to the warriors and the Spartan Senate, and 2) It is a
remarkable adaptation of a comic book to the screen. Much better than
Superman, Batman, Cinderella, or any other the others.

[Jim T]

They are quite a distance from each other.

[HeyBub]

Jim T wrote:
>> You can watch the move "300" and get all you need to know. The movie
>> is interesting for two reasons: 1) It is historically VERY accurate,
>> down to the speeches given to the warriors and the Spartan Senate,
>> and 2) It is a remarkable adaptation of a comic book to the screen.
>> Much better than Superman, Batman, Cinderella, or any other the
>> others.
>
> They are quite a distance from each other.

Yep, but unlike the others, this movie has universal appeal; the guys like
it for the battle scenes and the female viewers get moist watching the
six-pack abs.

[tra...@optonline.net]

> sailed. I'd say let the British clean up their own mess, if they could.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

The blame for the problems in the mideast goes
through most of Europe. At the end of WWII, instead
of eagerly accepting Jewish refugees, most of the
countries preferred they move elsewhere and
encouraged them to do so, Israel being the destination.
And it was the Soviet Union that pushed for and
proposed Israeli statehood.

[Country]

On Jan 30, 8:13 pm, "Stormin Mormon"

<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I've found that when a person starts with "everybody knows" that the
> sentence that follows is generally incorrect. The "everybody knows" is a
> tactic to supress dissent and discussion.
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
>  www.lds.org
> .

Yes it does... generally speaking. Fortunately, generally doesn't mean
always. Especially in this case tho I could have included that
Conservatives ignores it and makes excuses when it is a conservative,
which it usually is, gets outed.

Extreme suppression of sexual feelings because of Religious Dogma is
usually the cause. That shit really messes a person up in many ways.

-C-



> "Country" <ShyPic...@aol.com> wrote in message

[harry]

> to Florence next but it's not certain. Been talking about Germany too.- Hide quoted text -

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It was a long time ago. There wasn't that much to see at that time,
just a few monuments. So I can't give any up to date advice.

There's lots of stuff to visit in Greece. Trouble is, there are so
many tourists it takes a lot of the ambience out of it. I expect it
will be even worse now.
You get herded round in a great mass of people, you can't even stop to
look at stuff.
Maybe it's better to go "off-season".

Some of the best stuff is in the British Museum.

The best advice I can give is to be really well read up and informed
about where you are going, esp. the history.. Get read upon your Homer
too.
If you don't know the history, a lot of the significance is lost on
you during these visits.

Mycenae is good too.

I get a great kick out of thinking "At this very spot stood Agamemnon
and maybe Helen (of Troy)"
Or "Did Menalaus plan the destruction of Troy right here?"


Get a good travel guide book I use "Lonely Planet", usefull, up to
date info.

Istambul is not far off and excellent too.

[harry]

I've told you before about Hollywod"information" Read your Homer.
Even his account was hundreds of years later.

[harry]

On Jan 31, 1:34 pm, "trad...@optonline.net" <trad...@optonline.net>

> proposed Israeli statehood.- Hide quoted text -

>
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Nobody wants Jews. The reasons are well apparent now.

[harry]

On Jan 31, 12:07 am, JimT <jthr...@toast.net> wrote:

> The Florence idea came from the PBS showhttp://www.pbs.org/empires/medici/.- Hide quoted text -

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Travel on your own and try to get local assistance. Cuts down on the
costs.

[HeyBub]

harry wrote:
>
> Nobody wants Jews. The reasons are well apparent now.

I wish you were over here; I'd hit your skanky ass so hard your mother would
die.

[HeyBub]

So was the New Testament, you worthless bastard.

[Attila.Iskander]

"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 29, 9:53 pm, "trad...@optonline.net" <trad...@optonline.net>

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>>
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>

> The thing about Iran calling for Israel to be wiped off the face of
> the earth is a Jewish/American propaganda lie.
>

Sure
And you're just a moron.

> http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=37324
>
> They are trying to con y'all into a new war. (To enrich bankers some
> more)
>
> Have you forgotten about Iraq and WMD already?
> Americans ARE credulous DOPES.

No even close compared to a dope like you.

[Attila.Iskander]

"HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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> JimT wrote:

>> On 1/29/2012 5:14 PM, HeyBub wrote:
>>> JimT wrote:

>>>> We can't let Iran have nuclear weapons because of our failed foreign

>>>> policy which goes all the way back to the foundation of Israel. Are

>>>> you saying Iran doesn't have the right to defend itself? Look at
>>>> their neighbors. Wouldn't you want one?

Well said and quoted

[JimT]

I saw it. Good story but I can't say I liked the style.

[JimT]

Thanks for the tips. I've been to the British Museum and I couldn't
agree with you more.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

He wouldn't (couldn't) feel the pain.

[JimT]

But ya aren't Blanche, ya aren't!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I never have understood hatred of Jews.

[The Daring Dufas]

It may actually be because of jealousy. o_O

TDD

[harry]

Tell me one country where they have been popular.

[harry]

They are only out for themselves and are extremely manipulative.
When people realise this they come to hate them.
You only have to see what they have done in Gaza to realise what evil
bastards they are..

[harry]

> So was the New Testament, you worthless bastard.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

So what?

[HeyBub]

"Done in Gaza"? You feckless asshole; the Jews ARE NOT in Gaza.

When the Israelis occupied Gaza, it had a higher standard of living than
most Arab countries, greater life expectancy, universal sufferage, mandatory
schooling for children (including girls), low unemployment, and so on.
Today, Gaza is a shithole.

I would remind you that the Israelis tried to give Gaza back to the
Egyptians. The Egyptians didn't want it because it was full of Palestinians!

The problems of the Arabs in Gaza are ENTIRELY self-inflicted.

As for "out for themselves" I'll simply point to Albert Sabin and Jonas
Salk. Because of them, Polio has virtually disappeared from the planet
during my lifetime and yours.

[HeyBub]

Israel.

I suspect they're popular in the U.S. - at least some are popular. Including
Ralph Steinman and Bruce Beutler who won the 2011 Nobel Prize in physiology
or medicine.

[Dan Espen]

Harry, you've really sunk to a low level with this crap.

When I lived in the Bronx, I lived in Italian/German neighborhoods.
When I finally made it as far as Pelham Parkway I was amazed to see
lots of people walking the streets and being friendly.

Then when I got accepted to Bronx Science I found myself in
a school 95% jewish. I don't particularly like everything
that goes on in Israel or most other middle east countries
but the jewish culture I've seen in the USA is first rate.

--
Dan Espen

[Attila.Iskander]

"HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

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Yeah, the ANN (Athenian News Network) guy not only missed the boat to get
there, but the next boat was forced off course by a serious storm.
And then, the passenger pigeons with his report ended up in someone's
stew pot.

[Attila.Iskander]

"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message

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Israel.
(What a maroon)

[Attila.Iskander]

"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message

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I guess all those Jews who are NOT "only out for themselves" and NOT
"extremely manipulative" don't count
Right ?

You're nothing but a fucking little nazi
(You don't even deserve the capitals, you're so small.)

[Attila.Iskander]

"HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

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I doubt that will have any effect on that scummy little nazi

[JimT]

On 2/1/2012 8:30 AM, Dan Espen wrote:
> harry<harol...@aol.com> writes:
>
>> On Jan 31, 1:54 am, "HeyBub"<hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>> harry wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nobody wants Jews. The reasons are well apparent now.
>>> I wish you were over here; I'd hit your skanky ass so hard your mother would
>>> die.
>> Tell me one country where they have been popular.
> Harry, you've really sunk to a low level with this crap.

I have to agree.

[harry]

On Feb 1, 2:30 pm, Dan Espen <des...@verizon.net> wrote:

These are the poeple that have caused the US to go on it's various
disastrous Middle East adventures through lobbying. They ar enot your
friends. They have caused the deaths of thousands of Americans, they
are the causeof 11/9 and they have cost America trillons of $
These are the people that drop cluster bombs and phosporus on
civilians.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5299938.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza
They are evil bastards.

[harry]

On Feb 1, 3:11 pm, "Attila.Iskander" <Attila.Iskan...@Live.com> wrote:
> "harry" <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote in message

A maroon eh? Dyslexic as well as thick.

[JimT]

On 1/31/2012 7:34 AM, tra...@optonline.net wrote:
> On Jan 30, 8:12 pm, Jim T<jthr...@toast.net> wrote:

>> On 1/30/2012 2:57 AM, harry wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 29, 9:53 pm, "trad...@optonline.net"<trad...@optonline.net>
>>> wrote:

>>>>> We can't let Iran have nuclear weapons because of our failed foreign
>>>>> policy which goes all the way back to the foundation of Israel.

>>>> Spoken just like a RP loon. It's like saying if only England,
>>>> France a bunch of other countries didn't piss off Hitler there
>>>> would be no problem.

>>>> Are you
>>>>> saying Iran doesn't have the right to defend itself? Look at their
>>>>> neighbors. Wouldn't you want one?

>>>> ask RP.- Hide quoted text -

>>>> - Show quoted text -

>>> The thing about Iran calling for Israel to be wiped off the face of
>>> the earth is a Jewish/American propaganda lie.

>>> http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=37324
>>> They are trying to con y'all into a new war. (To enrich bankers some
>>> more)
>>> Have you forgotten about Iraq and WMD already?
>>> Americans ARE credulous DOPES.

>> We have the British to thank for the mess in Israel and the Palestinian
>> leaders for not knowing a deal when they had it. Well that boat has

>> sailed. I'd say let the British clean up their own mess, if they could.- Hide quoted text -

>>
>> - Show quoted text -

> The blame for the problems in the mideast goes
> through most of Europe. At the end of WWII, instead
> of eagerly accepting Jewish refugees, most of the
> countries preferred they move elsewhere and
> encouraged them to do so, Israel being the destination.
> And it was the Soviet Union that pushed for and
> proposed Israeli statehood.

Actually it was Truman that pushed Britain for statehood. The Russians
followed suit. The British were the ones who failed to reach a two state
solution with the Palistianians after WWII even though they had the
support of the Arabs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Paper_of_1939

"At the end of World War II, the British Labour Party
</wiki/Labour_Party_%28UK%29> conference voted to rescind the White
Paper and establish a Jewish state in Palestine, however the Labour
Foreign Minister, Ernest Bevin </wiki/Ernest_Bevin> persisted with the
policy and it remained in effect until the British departed Palestine in
May 1948."

[Attila.Iskander]

"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message

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No you stupid and ignorant dolt
It's a quote from Bugs Bunny
And it describes you to a "T"..

[Han]

harry <harol...@aol.com> wrote in
news:5cb5a221-3acd-43f9...@db5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

Talking about evil bastards - If your government knew of an impending
aerial bombardment of a major city, but did nothing to warn its citizens,
just to preserve the secret of their intelligence, that's being nice?

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

[Dan Espen]

harry <harol...@aol.com> writes:

> On Feb 1, 2:30 pm, Dan Espen <des...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> writes:
>> > On Jan 31, 1:54 am, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> >> harry wrote:
>>
>> >> > Nobody wants Jews.  The reasons are well apparent now.
>>
>> >> I wish you were over here; I'd hit your skanky ass so hard your mother would
>> >> die.
>>
>> > Tell me one country where they have been popular.
>>
>> Harry, you've really sunk to a low level with this crap.
>>
>> When I lived in the Bronx, I lived in Italian/German neighborhoods.
>> When I finally made it as far as Pelham Parkway I was amazed to see
>> lots of people walking the streets and being friendly.
>>
>> Then when I got accepted to Bronx Science I found myself in
>> a school 95% jewish.  I don't particularly like everything
>> that goes on in Israel or most other middle east countries
>> but the jewish culture I've seen in the USA is first rate.
>

> These are the poeple that have caused the US to go on it's various
> disastrous Middle East adventures through lobbying. They ar enot your
> friends. They have caused the deaths of thousands of Americans, they
> are the causeof 11/9 and they have cost America trillons of $
> These are the people that drop cluster bombs and phosporus on
> civilians.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5299938.stm
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza
> They are evil bastards.

Anyone can see that what goes on in the middle east is shameful.

But if you can't see that both sides are mad, you're blind.

Plus you've stooped to taking a problem one place in the world
and blaming it on a whole culture.

--
Dan Espen

[Oren]

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:54:33 -0600, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>

wrote:

>harry wrote:
>>
>> Nobody wants Jews. The reasons are well apparent now.
>
>I wish you were over here; I'd hit your skanky ass so hard your mother would
>die.
>

Sorry, bub. I've had a standing invitation for harry to come here.
You need to get in line. He's a professional malcontent.

[HeyBub]

harry wrote:
>
> These are the poeple that have caused the US to go on it's various
> disastrous Middle East adventures through lobbying. They ar enot your
> friends. They have caused the deaths of thousands of Americans, they
> are the causeof 11/9 and they have cost America trillons of $
> These are the people that drop cluster bombs and phosporus on
> civilians.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5299938.stm
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza
> They are evil bastards.

Evil, right.

At two-tenths of one percent of the world's population, Jews have been
awarded 178 Nobel Prizes.* In the population of 1.4 billion people, 20% of
the world's population, Muslims have been awarded NINE (only one of which
was in science - the remaining eight were Peace Prizes or for literature).

You are one fucked-up dude.

---------
* The first American to be awarded a Nobel Prize was Jewish. Albert
Michelson, in 1907, was awarded the prize for his famous experiment
destroying the notion of the "Ether" as a medium for transmitting light.

Other Jewish Nobel Prize winners in Physics (some of the 49 you might have
heard of) include:
* Albert Einstein
* Niels Bohr
* James Franck
* Wolfgang Pauli
* Richard Feynman
* Murray Gell-Mann

[Oren]

On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 00:00:36 -0800 (PST), harry <harol...@aol.com>
wrote:

America. Jewish friends stay in my home when they come to town.

[HeyBub]

As an aside, the UK, with about 8 times the population of Israel and easily
4 times the world's Jewish population is responsible for 119 Nobel Prizes.
Compare that to the 178 awarded Jews worldwide.

ESAD, punk.

[harry]

Well lets take the first one then.
Born in Germany, died in the USA
Mother German
Went to a catholic school
Resided for a while in Italy and Switzerland
Never visited Palestine/Israel.
He did not believe in God or an afterlife.

Neils Bohr
Oh look, similar story only he was Danish

But then stupid yanks think Obama is a muslim because his middle name
is Hussein?
Kennedy was Irish by your theory?
And the rest of your presidents were English?

Whatever medication you're on, you need a different one. Or take more.

[harry]

Right. Of which six were Israeli.
The rest have Jewish sounding names.
Once again,the fount of misinformation dribbles on.

[harry]

On Feb 2, 12:11 am, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 00:00:36 -0800 (PST), harry <haroldhr...@aol.com>

> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 31, 1:54 am, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >> harry wrote:
>
> >> > Nobody wants Jews.  The reasons are well apparent now.
>
> >> I wish you were over here; I'd hit your skanky ass so hard your mother would
> >> die.
>
> >Tell me one country where they have been popular.
>
> America.  Jewish friends stay in my home when they come to town.

Well, count the cutlery when they leave.

[Han]

harry <harol...@aol.com> wrote in
news:558075ff-e7ef-41fb...@hb4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

I resent your antisemitism.
There are many people's names on here I would have liked to meet:
http://www.juelicher-gesellschaft.de/5jahre-mahnmal.html