Global Warming My Frozen Butt!
The Daring Dufas
in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
TDD
Frank
The Global warming alarmists will tell you that weather extremes are
caused by global warming ;)
Doug Miller
Yep. Our local newspaper (Indianapolis Star) reports this morning that we're
having the coldest start to a new year since 1940.
Eric in North TX
> The Global warming alarmists will tell you that weather extremes are
> caused by global warming ;)
Which is their right, except; they keep getting laws passed on their
assumptions that make life more expensive and not particularly better.
Master Betty
"Frank" <frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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True....We're having an unusually cold winter and last summer was the
hottest on record. Weird. I hope we never have another summer like the last
one. This cold weather is a nice change. Not good for citrus farmers though.
Cindy Hamilton
wrote:
You appear to be mistaking Birmingham, AL, for the entire world.
It's a common error.
"Alberta Clipper", is how we usually term it here in Michigan. It's
supposed to be 27 F today, which is close to average. I can't
recall what the low was; somewhere in the low teens.
I don't bother to pay attention until the snot freezes right
in my nose. Then I know it's the low single digits or less.
Cindy Hamilton
Red Green
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NC I95, almost SC. Lower 20's nightly for like a week. About 10 degrees
lower than the avg for this time in Jan. 14 slated for weekend.
...on the bright side
don't have a "-" in front of that 20 like I've experienced many years up
north. And don't have 33" of snow like S.O. had last weekend either.
dpb
...
> True....We're having an unusually cold winter and last summer was the
> hottest on record. Weird. I hope we never have another summer like the last
> one. This cold weather is a nice change. Not good for citrus farmers though.
OK, out of curiosity, where was/is that? Generally, last summer was
cooler than normal in most of the US...quite a lot for us w/ a very few
100+F days as compared to normally 14 or so...
--
BobR
Sunday, 03 Jan 2010 05:11 PM
A former director of the National Hurricane Center called Sunday for
an investigation into the “scientific debauchery revealed by
‘Climategate,’” citing the way global warming skeptics have been
marginalized by the mainstream media.
The emails not only are troubling because of what they reveal about
how some scientists played with data, according to Neil Frank, who
directed the National Hurricane Center for over a decade, but for the
flawed assumptions they make about the role of CO2’s effects on
warming. Frank called for the investigation Sunday in an article in
the Houston Chronicle.
Climategate is the scandal that began when hackers penetrated the
computers of the Climate Research Unit, or CRU, of the United
Kingdom's University of East Anglia, exposing thousands of e-mails and
other documents. One of the top climate research centers in the world,
CRU has been the source for much of the evidence supporting climate
change theory.
But any of the exchanges were between top mainstream climate
scientists in Britain and the U.S. in the emails suggested that data
that didn’t support the global warming theory was being altered or
ignored.
“Among the more troubling revelations were data adjustments enhancing
the perception that man is causing global warming through the release
of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other atmospheric greenhouse gases,” wrote
Frank, who was director of the National Hurricane Center from 1974 to
1987.
“Particularly disturbing was the way the core IPCC scientists (the
believers) marginalized the skeptics of the theory that man-made
global warming is large and potentially catastrophic,” Frank wrote.
“The e-mails document that the attack on the skeptics was twofold.
First, the believers gained control of the main climate-profession
journals. This allowed them to block publication of papers written by
the skeptics and prohibit unfriendly peer review of their own papers.
Second, the skeptics were demonized through false labeling and false
accusations.”
The science isn’t settled, Frank wrote, despite what “climate
alarmists” would lead you to believe. They also attack skeptics by
painting them as tools of Big Oil or questioning their qualifications.
But they are “numerous and well qualified,” Frank wrote.
“Several years ago two scientists at the University of Oregon became
so concerned about the overemphasis on man-made global warming that
they put a statement on their Web site and asked for people's
endorsement; 32,000 have signed the petition, including more than
9,000 Ph.Ds. More than 700 scientists have endorsed a 231-page Senate
minority report that questions man-made global warming. The Heartland
Institute has recently sponsored three international meetings for
skeptics. More than 800 scientists heard 80 presentations in March,”
Frank wrote.
“They endorsed an 881-page document, created by 40 authors with
outstanding academic credentials, that challenges the most recent
publication by the IPCC. The IPCC panel's report strongly concludes
that man is causing global warming through the release of carbon
dioxide.”
“Last year 60 German scientists sent a letter to Chancellor Angela
Merkel urging her to ‘strongly reconsider’ her position supporting man-
made global warming. Sixty scientists in Canada took similar action.
Recently, when the American Physical Society published its support for
man-made global warming, 200 of its members objected and demanded that
the membership be polled to determine the APS' true position.”
The skeptics do agree that the Earth has been warming since the end of
a Little Ice Age around 1850. But they question the cause, Frank
wrote. Believers think the warming is created by man, but skeptics
believe the warming is natural and contributions from man are minimal
and certainly not potentially catastrophic.
And skeptics argue that CO2 is not a pollutant but vital for plant
life. They cite numerous field experiments that have confirmed that
higher levels of CO2 are positive for agricultural productivity.
Carbon dioxide is a very minor greenhouse gas, they believe. More than
90 percent of the warming from greenhouse gases is caused by water
vapor. If you are going to change the temperature of the globe, it
must involve water vapor.
Finally, skeptics believe that climate models are grossly over
predicting future warming from rising concentrations of carbon
dioxide, Frank wrote. “We are being told that numerical models that
cannot make accurate 5- to 10-day forecasts can be simplified and run
forward for 100 years with results so reliable you can impose an
economic disaster on the U.S. and the world,” he added.
“Climategate reveals how predetermined political agendas shaped
science rather than the other way around. It is high time to question
the true agenda of the scientists now on the hot seat and to bring
skeptics back into the public debate,” he concluded.
BobR
> "Frank" <frankperiodlogu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
Don't know where you are located but last summer wasn't anywhere near
a record around here but it is turning into a really cold winter.
That said, neither the summer or this winter is anything that I
haven't seen several times in my 63 years. I have seen many summers
that were worse and many winters that were worse. Overall, I haven't
seen any significant change in the last 50 years. Personally, a
little warming wouldn't hurt my feelings any.
RickH
wrote:
By mid Jan +15 starts to feel like T shirt weather up here.
Every American has a right to build a carbon footprint as large as Al
Gore's. That guy should have given himself a frugal life before he
started spouting off his mouth, then maybe he could have earned some
credibility with the rest of us un-washed masses. Let em eat cake
aint the way to influence people Al, sayin one thing and living
another aint either.
Jules
> I don't bother to pay attention until the snot freezes right
> in my nose. Then I know it's the low single digits or less.
Ha, that's basically how I do it. Once I go outside and feel the inside of
my nose freeze, it's just cold and it doesn't really matter how cold it
is...
We hit -35 the other morning. Then it got to about 0 yesterday and it
felt like t-shirt weather.
The Daring Dufas
Frozen boogers, a wintertime treat. 8-)
TDD
The Daring Dufas
We get a bunch of Damn Yankees coming down here from time to time
and when they see how beautiful it is, we can't get those suckers
to leave. *snicker*
TDD
Van Chocstraw
The debate is over only for those who set themselves up for making big
profits from global warming and global climate change fear mongering.
They have all the ignorant third worlders in a tizzy over nothing.
Red Green
news:pan.2010.01.05....@remove.this.gmail.com:
Used to see rejoicing when temp got up to 15F. Road salt would start to
work.
Caesar Romano
<boobooil...@roadrunner.com> wrote Re Re: Global Warming My
Frozen Butt!:
The third worlders are not in a tizzy over nothing.
All of the proposals for dealing with the imaginary climate change
involve restrictions and costs added to industrial nations. None of
those restrictions/costs would apply to countries like India and
China.
The restrictions/costs would thus give the third worlders an
additional competitive advantage over the western industrial nations.
If I were India or China, I would be all for it too.
--
Work is the curse of the drinking class.
Master Betty
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====
Similar problem. Your area isn't the rest of the world.
Central Tx had 52 consecutive days of over 100 degrees last summer. Hottest
summer in recorded history. Also,
we're suffering from one of the worst droughts on record. Pick up a
newspaper some time.
HeyBub
This Friday, Houston is expected to have lower temperatures than McMurdough
Station.
'Course it IS summer in Antarctica.
Pete C.
I'm not sure about your central TX, but that certainly isn't the case in
my north TX, though it was a couple years ago.
BobR
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sorry pal but your little area of Central Texas isn't the rest of the
world either. I don't need to pick up a newpaper to tell how hot or
cold it is and by the way, I live in central Texas too and it wasn't
all that damn hot last summer. I have seen a lot hotter that this
last year.
BobR
Yes, but the great part about Houston is that it will only last a day
or two and then back to warm. I lived in Houston for over 40 years
and would move back tomorrow if I could. I always loved how those
Blue Northers would rip down through Texas until they hit Huntsville
and then leave skid marks as they came to a stop just North of Houston
before turning around as a warm front. The few that made it through
were always short lived.
terry
>
> - Show quoted text -
Strange: Here, far eastern Canada: Next stop Ireland. Greenland or
Iceland! We are having plus 4 degrees Celsius, that's around 32 plus
8 = 40 degrees F, yesterday and today. I didn't even take a jacket out
with me today! It was just damp with occasional rain while driving.
Not a bit of snow left from some time before Christmas! so few birds
coming for seed to the feeders. Only used the snow-blower twice since
last November.
Ski hills couple of hundred miles west of here are closed; not even
cold enough to make snow!
One thing mentioned this morning on the weather news, about our 'funny
weather', is that night time temperatures are not dipping as low, as
they used to! That may be function of the greater amount of industrial
and motor vehicle pollution and ocean warming? We are right alongside
the North Atlantic here.
Talking about damp; the patio deck is now sort of drying off (It's
about 2.00 PM here) in some very weak sunlight. And the wind has
dropped.
Cheers.
The Daring Dufas
Doesn't the Gulf Stream warm you guys up?
TDD
Oren
Maybe I can send you some warmth:
10-Day Forecast
High /Low (�F) Precip. %
Today
Jan 05 Mostly Sunny 60�/39� 0 %
Wed
Jan 06 Partly Cloudy 63�/42� 10 %
Thu
Jan 07 Partly Cloudy 61�/41� 10 %
Fri
Jan 08 Partly Cloudy 60�/39� 0 %
Sat
Jan 09 Partly Cloudy 60�/40� 10 %
Sun
Jan 10 Partly Cloudy 61�/39� 0 %
Mon
Jan 11 Mostly Sunny 60�/39� 10 %
Tue
Jan 12 Partly Cloudy 59�/40� 10 %
Wed
Jan 13 AM Clouds / PM Sun 60�/38� 10 %
Thu
Jan 14 Sunny 60�/37� 0 %
Last Updated Jan 5 09:08 a.m. PT
Master Betty
<snip> I live in central Texas too and it wasn't
all that damn hot last summer. I have seen a lot hotter that this
last year.
<snip>
Where do you live exactly? I live in North Austin. I'm talking about
Georgetown to San Antonio area. I suspect if you go farther east the rain
situation isn't as bad. The rain here in the summer has been dropping off
drastically since I've been here; about 6 years now.
This was in August.
http://capitalclimate.blogspot.com/2009/08/central-texas-continues-on-track-for.html
It didn't let up. 52 consectutive days of over 100 degrees. Last summer was
the worst ever!
dpb
...
> It didn't let up. 52 consectutive days of over 100 degrees. Last summer
> was the worst ever!
For what definition of "ever"?
--
Master Betty
"dpb" <no...@non.net> wrote in message
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Goodpoint.
I've been here 6 years and, I always thought it was hot here, but last
summer took the prize.
From what I've heard it was the hottest in "recorded" history. Some time in
the 1800s they started record keeping. Easy to Google. I don't have to. I
lived it. It sucked. My a/c went out too.
The Daring Dufas
Back in 1987-88, I worked out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean
and the work uniform was shorts and a T-shirt. When I left and
came back to San Diego, the temperatures were in the 60's and
I was freezing my protuberances off. It felt like wintertime to
me because I was acclimated to a tropical climate.
TDD
Joe
"The Daring Dufas" <the-dari...@peckerhead.net> wrote in message
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> This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15� F at 7:00 am
> in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
> I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
> had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
> The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
>
> TDD
Global warming is the culprit. It's causing it to be cold when it's
supposed to be cold. It's also causing it to be warm when it's supposed to
be warm, unless it isn't, in which case it's also being caused by global
warming.
Oh, temperate weather is caused by global warming too....
Master Betty
"The Daring Dufas" <the-dari...@peckerhead.net> wrote in message
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"The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco." Mark
Twain
I remember it would get cold in LA just about any time of year. I was in San
Francisco about 8 years ago in July and I had to buy a heavy jacket for the
ferry to Alcatraz.
The Daring Dufas
I was working in the Los Angeles area in 1989 when it snowed! The little
Mexican kids were very confused. Must have been Global Cooling.
TDD
dpb
...
> Goodpoint.
>
> I've been here 6 years and, I always thought it was hot here, but last
> summer took the prize.
>
> From what I've heard it was the hottest in "recorded" history. Some
So, similar to most places west of the Mississippi. Records only go
back a couple-hundred years in general out here. From that one can say
that the likelihood of a new record high (or low) is roughly 1/2% on any
given day--not all that unlikely.
OTOH, we're not that all that far away and we had only a couple of days
all the past summer over 100F--quite mild by our normals.
This area went thru a very wet spell in the early part of the 1900s when
it was being first broken out for farming. What they didn't know at the
time was that that was an extreme period for rainfall and only 25-30
years later they were in the heart of the 30s' drought accompanied w/
very hot summers and lots of wind. That lasted for quite a number of
years before another cycle. We suffered thru another period in the
early 50s; grandfather's records at the house show that two consecutive
years during that time were drier for us, specifically, than any year
during the Dust Bowl years. We've continued on that roughly 20-year
cycle since.
Certainly NW KS and some of W TX and the panhandles have been in a
stretch recently. But, those areas are generally even drier normally
than we and the extremes tend to be more so there as well even though
all "normal" can be said of here is that it is the meaning of a
statistical estimator. We can be 60s or even 70s one day ahead of the
next front that may bring snow and 0F. Within the week it's often
easily back to the 40s/50s. Right now we've had a couple reasonably
warm days as the downslope winds give rise to adiabatic heating ahead of
the approaching "blue norther" that's going to put us into the below
zero range by tomorrow night/next day depending on how fast it proceeds.
The overall SE US was in the throes of drought for some years (by their
standards, by ours it would have been above normal to have had the
accumulations of most places so that's relative, too). OTOH, this year
most have been inundated and were wet last year as well. e-mail
acquaintance in NE AL said they had right at 78" this past year. We
were about normal; 100 miles east and on they like to never got crops in
for wet spring and still have corn and beans in fields in areas because
was cool and damp all summer keeping everything late and then turned wet
again when needed dry weather for harvest.
--
AZ Nomad
>I was working in the Los Angeles area in 1989 when it snowed! The little
>Mexican kids were very confused. Must have been Global Cooling.
I was there too. It never snowed. Perhaps you confuse hail w/ snow.
Master Betty
It's good to hear other places are doing better.
If it would of have rained more we would of got a break, but Central TX is
having a bad drought, and hot weather. Brushfires scare me.
I've always been skeptical (GW) but I want to see what happens next summer.
There's been some drastic rain shortages in Greece, Portugal, Spain. Spain
and Portugal have been having record heat for quite awhile now.
It would be interesting to see the temperature statistics for other planets,
but I don't think we're quite that sophisticated yet. I know there has been
a lot of talk about the recent lack of solar activity and it's relationship
to GW.
dpb
...
> It's good to hear other places are doing better.
>
> If it would of have rained more we would of got a break, but Central TX
> is having a bad drought, and hot weather. Brushfires scare me.
...
Again, too short a time span to tell much, if anything. And, w/ records
as short as those like here, it's not even possible to say that what
you're experiencing is anything particularly out of the ordinary. What
seems long in an individual's experience isn't a microsecond in geologic
terms. The native Americans told the early settlers here the good times
of the early 1900s wouldn't last because they had legend and oral
history that went back hundreds of years not just the lifetimes of the
current elders.
IOW, "this, too, shall pass"... :)
As for the grassfires, we worry all the time over that for sure. But,
again, one has to look at it in perspective. They're only a serious
problem because there are now permanent residents and structures where
before there were nomads and other wildlife.
I don't know precisely the estimated times there but here generally any
givem area could have expected to have burned about every 5-7 years. I
doubt it was too much greater for a lot of that country down there altho
probably fires didn't cover as extensive an area owing to more natural
barriers and that thunderstorms there generally do have sufficient rain
w/ them to put out fires after a while whereas we have a lot of dry
t-storms.
Since the house sits in the middle of several miles of grass in all
directions w/ only a road on one side of the place closer than a full
mile, we keep close eye out when it gets dry.
--
mcp6453
>
> Similar problem. Your area isn't the rest of the world.
>
> Central Tx had 52 consecutive days of over 100 degrees last summer. Hottest
> summer in recorded history. Also,
> we're suffering from one of the worst droughts on record. Pick up a
> newspaper some time.
Me things Betty's a "Warmer".
Michael Dobony
> This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15� F at 7:00 am
> in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
> I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
> had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
> The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
>
> TDD
This is just some data that needs to be hidden.
AZ Nomad
>On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:23:19 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote:
>> This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15? F at 7:00 am
>> in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
>> I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
>> had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
>> The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
>>
>> TDD
>This is just some data that needs to be hidden.
It's irrelevent. Climate change != seasonal weather.
Master Betty
"mcp6453" <mcp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"The name is "Master Betty" you son of a wart-hog."
yea.........
HeyBub
You can't say that. Climate change is whatever the "experts" say it is.
Climate change is responsible for seasonal weather except when it has no
effect. Climate change is responsible for more and more violent hurricanes
except when acts to cut down their frequency and intensity. Climate change
is responsible for shrinking some glaciers while expanding other. And so on.
No, you just have to yield to your betters on the consequences of global
warming; there's no way to figure it out on your own - except, of course,
for Africanized bees. That one's obvious.
dpb
"February 8, 1989 in History.
Event: 5 cm of snow falls in outskirts of Los Angeles..."
--
BobR
>
> It didn't let up. 52 consectutive days of over 100 degrees. Last summer was
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dallas-Ft.Worth area is where I live and last year was just a moderate
summer at best. Texas weather has always been varied because of the
size of the state and the fact that almost every year will see a high
pressure area parked over one section of the state for an extended
period of time. Several years ago it parked on top of Houston and we
saw an incredible summer. A couple of years before that, it parked on
top of Dallas and they baked. Other times it will move over the far
west part of the state. The real point though it that while you might
have experienced a super hot summer last year it wasn't a condition
that hasn't happened almost every year with some part of Texas or the
southwest.
AZ Nomad
I appologize. I lived in costa mesa at the time. I don't think they
got any.
BobR
> "dpb" <n...@non.net> wrote in message
AHHHHHHH, Now you have it defined. I would really really feel sorry
for you but I grew up in Temple and we NEVER had an A/C unit to go
out. Guess I became acclimated to the heat and don't notice it nearly
as much as this DAMN COLD. I also don't put too much faith in this
"Hottest in Recorded History" since the record keeping has always been
spotty at best. There is also the issue of the accuracy of our
current temperature guaging stations which have been found to NOT
conform to standards for placement and maintenance. Seems that a lot
of the standard temperature stations are setup in or near parking lots
and external heat sources that call their readings into question.
hibb
wrote:
> On 01/05/2010 08:23 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
>
> > This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15° F at 7:00 am
> > in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
> > I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
> > had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
> > The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
>
> > TDD
>
> profits from global warming and global climate change fear mongering.
> They have all the ignorant third worlders in a tizzy over nothing.
Yep, all those ice packs and glaciers are melting just for spite.
Seems to me that things happen for a reason but it turns out that
there's no cause and effect for ice melting. Especially those big
chunks of ice. They just come and go as they please regardless of what
the mean temperature of the planet is. Go figure.
Master Betty
=======
I could tell you were not "in" Central TX.
http://www.kwtx.com/blogs/weatherblog/48905197.html
Master Betty
=====
you obviously don't have a clue.
good day
Van Chocstraw
What happened to the mile high sheet of ice over New York? Global
warming? Climate Change? Cause by what? Cave man urine? Mastodon farts?
There ain't that much ice left, it's loss is inconsequential.
BobR
>
> - Show quoted text -
You are right, I have only lived in Texas for 60 years and don't have
a clue about it's weather while you have been here for 6 years, lived
in only one area and are an expert on the weather.
Don Klipstein
>This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15� F at 7:00 am
>in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
>I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
>had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
>The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
Birmingham sometimes gets cold. A few times a decade, maybe every
other year the Orlando area gets down to freezing.
Miami got snow flurries in January 1977.
Birmingham (or at least parts of its immediate metro area) even got
10 inches of snow from the Blizzard of 1993.
Stuff like this sometimes happens.
======================
We are in the temperate zone. The word "temperate" works like the word
"flammable". "Flammable" means "inflammable". "Temperate" means
"intemperate" if that word exists, otherwise "intemperant". The
"temperate zone" is where the weather has a temper.
======================
Birmingham AL is in the part of USA that gets wacky weather - namely the
part east of the Pacific Ocean.
======================
The Southern tier of USA is normally on the chilly side during an El
Nino winter (which we have).
We also have the Arctic Oscillation and the North Atlantic Oscillation
(not the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation) being low - favoring central
and eastern part of USA being cold.
This looks like a "triple whammy" that sometimes happens.
======================
Latest monthly global temperature, by the least-warming of the 5 major
global temperature change indixes (V. 5.2 of UAH determination of lower
troposphere temperature from MSU/AMSU satellite data), for December 2009,
is .28 degree C warmer than its baseline of 1979-1998 average. The year
2009 has average of its 12 months for this index .27 degree C warmer than
that baseline.
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt
http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
Note that Dr. Roy Spencer is one of the two PhD professors at UAH in
charge of this major global temperature trend index. It appears to me
that he is skeptical of existence of anthropogenic global warming.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Don Klipstein
>
>"Frank" <frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> On 1/5/2010 8:23 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
>>> This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15� F at 7:00 am
>>> in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
>>> I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
>>> had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
>>> The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
>>>
>>
>> The Global warming alarmists will tell you that weather extremes are
>> caused by global warming ;)
>
>True....We're having an unusually cold winter and last summer was the
>hottest on record. Weird. I hope we never have another summer like the last
>one. This cold weather is a nice change. Not good for citrus farmers though.
It appears to me that 90% of the $#!+ that has happened with weather in
recent years is blamed on global warming in the news media but appears to
me to be merely $#!+ that happens with weather along lines of what it has
always done.
For example, I have seen global warming being blamed for more intense
snowstorms in "Northeast Corridor" USA in recent years. I see that uptick
being caused by how ocean temperature patterns in the North Pacific have
been in recent years, as affected mostly by the decadal (period over a
decade, closer to a couple decades) and multidecadal (period ~60 year
ballpark) components of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.
When that pattern shifts to something else, it will be somewhere else's
turn to get bad winter weather.
(Also - I expect global temperatures to be taking a break from the
rising trend from a few years ago to around 2030, due to another natural
cycle - the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (period around 65 years).
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
IGot2P
> This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15� F at 7:00 am
> in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
> I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
> had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
> The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
>
> TDD
Just glance at http://www.crsales.com/weather.htm every once in awhile
and you can see what the temp and more is in SE Iowa. It was 8.4 degrees
F when I posted this at 6:10 CST.
Don
Oren
Klipstein) wrote:
>In <hhveg7$2v7$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, The Daring Dufas wrote:
>
>>This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15� F at 7:00 am
>>in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
>>I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
>>had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
>>The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
>
> Birmingham sometimes gets cold. A few times a decade, maybe every
>other year the Orlando area gets down to freezing.
>
REAL cold. Almost like Phenix City, Alabama. Orlando farmers are
running sprinklers to save strawberries and citrus.
> Miami got snow flurries in January 1977.
>
Seen it with my own eyes. Cold as hell
> Birmingham (or at least parts of its immediate metro area) even got
>10 inches of snow from the Blizzard of 1993.
>
> Stuff like this sometimes happens.
Central PA we had a tundra that year... got pictures...
'The Perfect Storm" Once boss slept under her desk, others on the
floor.
Me? I drove back and forth and there were no vehicles on the highway.
The PA interstate was shut down. Emergency travel only.
Don't get me started about climate change in Lake Placid/Saranac Lake,
NY 1990. Summer was on the 4th of July.
hal...@aol.com
> In article <hhvhl1$ej...@news.eternal-september.org>, Master Betty wrote:
>
> >"Frank" <frankperiodlogu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ahh I have a different view:)
The republicans have been the naysayers, no global warming ignore it.
republicans represent the wealthy.
republicans and are last president had no interest in our economic
dump till it hit the wall street wealthy.
well when the wall street weathy get their 2 grand shoes wet going to
work, after all wall street is at near sea level, and new york floods,
suddendly republicans will get on the global warming bandwagon.
we will know one way or another in a few years.............
meantime why worry about it??
after all that same approach worked so well for the sub prime meltdown
that caused our economic dump..........
yeah everything is fine dont worry about it
Oren
It was 8.2 degrees F at 6:13 CST.
Don Klipstein
BobR wrote:
>On Jan 5, 8:16�am, "Master Betty" <ne...@mind.com> wrote:
>> "Frank" <frankperiodlogu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:hhvfeg$719$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> >> This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15� F at 7:00 am
>> >> in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
>> >> I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
>> >> had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
>> >> The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
>>
>> >> TDD
>>
>> > caused by global warming ;)
>>
>> True....We're having an unusually cold winter and last summer was the
>> hottest on record. Weird. I hope we never have another summer like the last
>> one. This cold weather is a nice change. Not good for citrus farmers though.
>
>a record around here but it is turning into a really cold winter.
>That said, neither the summer or this winter is anything that I
>haven't seen several times in my 63 years. I have seen many summers
>that were worse and many winters that were worse. Overall, I haven't
>seen any significant change in the last 50 years. Personally, a
>little warming wouldn't hurt my feelings any.
This year reminds me a little of 1976 and the winter of 1976-1977.
In 1976, after a mild winter and a freakish record-smashing April
heatwave, it got on the cool side in Philadelphia. That summer is the
coolest in my memory. I don't know off-hand what the June-July-August
stretch average temperature was for 1976 or is long-term in Philadelphia,
but that summer was cool Highest temperature that summer in Philadelphia
was 93 degrees F. Nearly all years have at least one day achieving 95 and
a majority have at least one day achieving 97 in my experience. Highest
temperature that Philadelphia officially achieved in 1976 was 94 degrees F
on April 18th.
The following fall was chilly, with an October somewhat like November,
and a November more like December.
The following winter was colder than all prior ones since 1874, despite
a February warmup that was almost "spring coming very early". January
1977 was Philadelphia's coldest January. Miami got snow flurries that
month - according to the news media, for the first time on record.
Globally, 1976 was merely the coolest year since 1964 (and there were no
cooler years afterwards).
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
HeyBub
>
> Ahh I have a different view:)
>
> The republicans have been the naysayers, no global warming ignore it.
> republicans represent the wealthy.
>
> republicans and are last president had no interest in our economic
> dump till it hit the wall street wealthy.
>
> well when the wall street weathy get their 2 grand shoes wet going to
> work, after all wall street is at near sea level, and new york floods,
> suddendly republicans will get on the global warming bandwagon.
>
> we will know one way or another in a few years.............
>
> meantime why worry about it??
>
> after all that same approach worked so well for the sub prime meltdown
> that caused our economic dump..........
>
> yeah everything is fine dont worry about it
Slight correction: Republicans represent not only the wealthy, but also
those who want to become wealthy. Democrats tend to provide for the general
welfare through the treasury; Republicans tend to promote the general
welfare through the economy.
Oren
>well when the wall street weathy get their 2 grand shoes wet going to
>work, after all wall street is at near sea level, and new york floods,
>suddendly republicans will get on the global warming bandwagon.
Didn't you know they wear flip flops/tennis shoes to work and change
shoes in the office?! Why risk the loss of gator hide shoes or
anaconda skin cowboy boots or the risk of being mugged for the shoes.
Jeez!
You can always tell a wall streeter in China Town. They stand taller
than most people.
Don Klipstein
>On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:10:23 -0600, The Daring Dufas <the-dari...@peckerhead.net> wrote:
>
>>I was working in the Los Angeles area in 1989 when it snowed! The little
>>Mexican kids were very confused. Must have been Global Cooling.
>
>I was there too. It never snowed. Perhaps you confuse hail w/ snow.
I hear of snow falling in the LA area (probably only part of it) maybe
every 10-20 years or so.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Don Klipstein
> I also don't put too much faith in this
>"Hottest in Recorded History" since the record keeping has always been
>spotty at best. There is also the issue of the accuracy of our
>current temperature guaging stations which have been found to NOT
>conform to standards for placement and maintenance. Seems that a lot
>of the standard temperature stations are setup in or near parking lots
>and external heat sources that call their readings into question.
2/3 of the world's surface is ocean, where that is not a problem, and
there are measurements for that considered in the three major surface
indices of global temperature trends.
Sea surface alone, by Hadley Centre:
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadsst2/diagnostics/global/nh+sh/
Whole world, same source:
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh+sh/
Since ocean mass causes lag in temperature change, especially in
longer-term effects as opposed to year/decade/multidecade scale effects
*caused* by oceanic oscillations and random variations in current flows,
it appears to me understandable how the recent warming trend affected
ocean less than land.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Oren
Klipstein) wrote:
>>>I was working in the Los Angeles area in 1989 when it snowed! The little
>>>Mexican kids were very confused. Must have been Global Cooling.
>>
>>I was there too. It never snowed. Perhaps you confuse hail w/ snow.
>
> I hear of snow falling in the LA area (probably only part of it) maybe
>every 10-20 years or so.
December 2008*
Last year I got 8" of snow in Las Vegas. Prior, in another house some
years ago it also snowed with 6-8" that stuck and drove people crazy.
They couldn't drive safely.
pic:
http://access.nscpcdn.com/gallery/i/w/wnew_snow_in_vegas/vegas00.jpg
We love tourist.
AZ Nomad
>On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 00:50:55 +0000 (UTC), d...@manx.misty.com (Don
>Klipstein) wrote:
>>>>I was working in the Los Angeles area in 1989 when it snowed! The little
>>>>Mexican kids were very confused. Must have been Global Cooling.
>>>
>>>I was there too. It never snowed. Perhaps you confuse hail w/ snow.
>>
>> I hear of snow falling in the LA area (probably only part of it) maybe
>>every 10-20 years or so.
>December 2008*
>Last year I got 8" of snow in Las Vegas. Prior, in another house some
>years ago it also snowed with 6-8" that stuck and drove people crazy.
>They couldn't drive safely.
That must have been wild. Southern california gets 50-100 car
pile-ups when it rains. I can't imagine what snow in LV was like.
(actually the pileups in socal were due to fog. A coworker who drove
in it said that on day 1 they'd drive 25mph; day 2 45mph; day 3 back to
60mph with 1 carlength tailgateing then they'd have their pileup)
Stormin Mormon
Dems also appear to want to tax everyone so that the weather
will improve.
--
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Oren
We get so little rain here, a 1/3 inch will send people into wrecks.
The roads soak up the oil and when it does eventually rain the cars go
crazy. People can't text, change clothes, put on make up or touch
themselves. I stay home.
Once this year we actually got a "good rain" that lasted most of the
day. no way would I go out there and tussle with those drivers.
Stormin Mormon
events are wicked, too.
--
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Master Betty
__________________
Do you know how to read?
hibb
wrote:
LOL, it's loss is inconsequential? There were plenty of consequences
to losing the ice sheet over New York. Probably the worst of which is
something called the New York Yankees.
Maybe if you thought about it a little bit you could come up with a
plausible reason the ice sheet made it down that far into North
America in the first place. Or maybe you think glaciers and Ice Sheets
are magical and don't react the same as an ice cube you take out of
the freezer.
Master Betty
"Van Chocstraw" <boobooil...@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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Excuse me professor but:
It took thousands of years for ice ages to begin and end. GW (or what ever
the f%$k is happening) is happening right now.
Do a little research while you're pulling your foot out of your mouth.
BobR
> In article <hhvhl1$ej...@news.eternal-september.org>, Master Betty wrote:
>
> >"Frank" <frankperiodlogu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:hhvfeg$719$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> On 1/5/2010 8:23 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
> >>> This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15° F at 7:00 am
> >>> in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
> >>> I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
> >>> had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
> >>> The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
>
> >>> TDD
>
> >> The Global warming alarmists will tell you that weather extremes are
> >> caused by global warming ;)
>
> >True....We're having an unusually cold winter and last summer was the
> >hottest on record. Weird. I hope we never have another summer like the last
> >one. This cold weather is a nice change. Not good for citrus farmers though.
>
> It appears to me that 90% of the $#!+ that has happened with weather in
> recent years is blamed on global warming in the news media but appears to
> me to be merely $#!+ that happens with weather along lines of what it has
> always done.
>
That's because you aren't looking for grant money for a research
project.
> For example, I have seen global warming being blamed for more intense
> snowstorms in "Northeast Corridor" USA in recent years. I see that uptick
> being caused by how ocean temperature patterns in the North Pacific have
> been in recent years, as affected mostly by the decadal (period over a
> decade, closer to a couple decades) and multidecadal (period ~60 year
> ballpark) components of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.
>
> When that pattern shifts to something else, it will be somewhere else's
> turn to get bad winter weather.
>
> (Also - I expect global temperatures to be taking a break from the
> rising trend from a few years ago to around 2030, due to another natural
> cycle - the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (period around 65 years).
>
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
US Weather Bureau Report
The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in
some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a
report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at
Bergen, Norway. Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he
declared, all point to a radical change in climate conditions and
hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration
expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as far
north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters
showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been
replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while
at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few
seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast
shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far
north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.
I am sorry, I neglected to mention that this report was from November
2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post.
For a complete background read extensive reports at
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/03/16/you-ask-i-provide-november-2nd-1922-arctic-ocean-getting-warm-seals-vanish-and-icebergs-melt/
Master Betty
-------------------------------
Excuse me professsor:
http://meteo.lcd.lu/globalwarming/Chylek/greenland_warming.html
Gary H
<the-dari...@peckerhead.net> wrote:
>This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15� F at 7:00 am
>in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
>I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
>had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
>The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
>
>TDD
In northeast Texas, Thursday's forecast has a low of 14. According to
an article in the local paper, it's a lot warmer in Antarctica.
BobR
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Excuse me professsor:
>
> http://meteo.lcd.lu/globalwarming/Chylek/greenland_warming.html- Hide quoted text -
>
You are excused and your reference just proved my point.
Now check out:
Master Betty
"dpb" <no...@non.net> wrote in message
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> Master Betty wrote:
> ...
>
>> It's good to hear other places are doing better.
>>
>> If it would of have rained more we would of got a break, but Central TX
>> is having a bad drought, and hot weather. Brushfires scare me.
>
> ...
>
> Again, too short a time span to tell much, if anything. And, w/ records
> as short as those like here, it's not even possible to say that what
> you're experiencing is anything particularly out of the ordinary. What
> seems long in an individual's experience isn't a microsecond in geologic
> terms. The native Americans told the early settlers here the good times
> of the early 1900s wouldn't last because they had legend and oral history
> that went back hundreds of years not just the lifetimes of the current
> elders.
>
> IOW, "this, too, shall pass"... :)
>
>
> As for the grassfires, we worry all the time over that for sure. But,
> again, one has to look at it in perspective. They're only a serious
> problem because there are now permanent residents and structures where
> before there were nomads and other wildlife.
>
> I don't know precisely the estimated times there but here generally any
> givem area could have expected to have burned about every 5-7 years. I
> doubt it was too much greater for a lot of that country down there altho
> probably fires didn't cover as extensive an area owing to more natural
> barriers and that thunderstorms there generally do have sufficient rain w/
> them to put out fires after a while whereas we have a lot of dry t-storms.
>
> Since the house sits in the middle of several miles of grass in all
> directions w/ only a road on one side of the place closer than a full
> mile, we keep close eye out when it gets dry.
>
> --
I'm surrounded by green belt here in Austin. Damn trees!
There are accurate detailed records in polar ice caps (co2 concentrations,
temperature, precipitation, volcanic activity) and ancient tree rings.
Pete C.
There are reasonable approximations in those ice caps, and tree rings -
there is not anywhere near the accuracy needed to support the claims
that are being made.
IGot2P
And at 11:00 PM CST it is -1.6 degrees F! :-(
Don
Master Betty
"Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote in message
news:4b44143d$0$4954$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
No...the records are accurate it the interpretation that's flawed. Geologist
can put events together with meteorological events and reasonable
conclusions can be made. The study of the earth has been going on for some
time now.
dpb
And the interesting thing is that the CO2 concentration rises and falls
in a lagging (by several hundred years or so) the corresponding
temperature changes. Hence, there's no possibility that these records
can be used to show that rising CO2 caused global warming as that would
violate the principal of causality.
(Assuming that's your point in bringing up something totally foreign to
the general gist of the thread to date....)
--
Master Betty
The changes were gradual because they were induced by geological events as
opposed to overpopulation. Man is more efficient. See...I knew I could find
something positive to say.
"Damn trees! They killed Kenny! You bastards!"
The Daring Dufas
Darn those pesky wealthy Republicans! It's all their fault, they caused
Global Warming because they're greedy and Global Warming will make them
richer. The government should take all their money away from them and
give it to people who don't work because people who don't work don't
produce any greenhouse gases. Darn those pesky rich Republicans, how
dare they enjoy the fruits of their labor when Democrats who produce
nothing and don't work hard or strive to improve themselves go without
fancy clothes, homes and cars.
TDD
The Daring Dufas
> On 1/5/2010 7:23 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
>> This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15� F at 7:00 am
>> in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
>> I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
>> had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
>> The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
>>
>> TDD
>
> and you can see what the temp and more is in SE Iowa. It was 8.4 degrees
> F when I posted this at 6:10 CST.
>
> Don
>
Just a little while ago it was 17� F now it dropped to 16� F at 6:50am.
Darn that Al Gore, he let out all his hot air which escaped into space
and now the darn country is colder. He should have kept his mouth shut.
TDD
The Daring Dufas
Us dang Hillbillies ain't used to this here below freezin weather. Darn
hound dog stuck to the porch and I had to pry him up. Coon huntin ain't
no fun when the cottin pickin critters shatter when ya shoot em.
TDD
Stormin Mormon
Zero. Freon started in the forties.
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US Weather Bureau Report
Jules
> Jules <jules.rich...@remove.this.gmail.com> wrote in
> news:pan.2010.01.05....@remove.this.gmail.com:
>
>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:49:27 -0800, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> I don't bother to pay attention until the snot freezes right
>>> in my nose. Then I know it's the low single digits or less.
>>
>> Ha, that's basically how I do it. Once I go outside and feel the
>> inside of my nose freeze, it's just cold and it doesn't really matter
>> how cold it is...
>>
>> We hit -35 the other morning. Then it got to about 0 yesterday and it
>> felt like t-shirt weather.
>
> Used to see rejoicing when temp got up to 15F. Road salt would start to
> work.
I don't know what they use around here, but it seems to work despite it
sitting at zero or below for weeks on end. Maybe they just run the plows
very close to the road surface and the stuff they spread has an
abrasive quality which provides grip and wears away any thin layer of ice
as vehicles travel over it? Or maybe the 'salt' (whatever the stuff is
they actually use) still works at very low temps, but not so well and can
only help on a very thin layer of ice (in other words they'd be screwed if
they didn't keep spreading it over and over and let the ice get thick)?
cheers
Jules
Jon Danniken
> Master Betty wrote:
> ...
>
>> True....We're having an unusually cold winter and last summer was the
>> hottest on record. Weird. I hope we never have another summer like
>> the last one. This cold weather is a nice change. Not good for
>> citrus farmers though.
>
> cooler than normal in most of the US...quite a lot for us w/ a very
> few 100+F days as compared to normally 14 or so...
It was cold here as well, also a lot of overcast and rainy days.
<missing summer>
Jon
Tony
> This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15� F at 7:00 am
> in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
> I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
> had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
> The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
Here in east,east TN we had a few nights down to 11F. I think it's
warmed up to 15F the last couple nights with highs in the 20's.
Average temps from previous years are a low of 29F and a high of 46F for
today. It doesn't look like todays high will break 25F. Between day
and night we are about 20F below normal and it's supposed to last a
total of at least 10 days. Lucky I'm here by myself, the central heat
is set at 55F and here I sit with 750 watts blowing at me from under the
desk. Quite comfy actually!
Tony
> Red Green wrote:
>> The Daring Dufas <the-dari...@peckerhead.net> wrote in
>> news:hhveg7$2v7
>> $1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15� F at 7:00 am
>>> in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
>>> I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
>>> had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
>>> The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
>>>
>>
>> NC I95, almost SC. Lower 20's nightly for like a week. About 10
>> degrees lower than the avg for this time in Jan. 14 slated for weekend.
>>
>> ...on the bright side
>>
>> don't have a "-" in front of that 20 like I've experienced many years
>> up north. And don't have 33" of snow like S.O. had last weekend either.
>
> We get a bunch of Damn Yankees coming down here from time to time
> and when they see how beautiful it is, we can't get those suckers
> to leave. *snicker*
>
> TDD
I thought we were just "Yankees" when we visit and "Damn Yankees" when
we stay? I'm a Damn Yankee... unless this weather stays so damn cold!
Pete C.
The claims that are being made about global temperature are in tenths of
a degree F.
Accurate records of temperature over a sufficient number of sample
points on the planet do not go back very far at all. Further back you
have accurate temps from a few scattered points on the planet going back
perhaps 150 years, and prior to that you have only approximate
information. The ice and trees do not provide the detail to judge the
temperature at particular times to tenths of a degree F, more like +/-
10.0 F.
BobR
> The Daring Dufas wrote:
> > Red Green wrote:
> >> news:hhveg7$2v7
> >> $...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> >>> This is supposed to be "The South", it's 15° F at 7:00 am
> >>> in Birmingham, AL. There are some valleys in the area that
> >>> I know are a lot colder. Darn Canadian imports, y'all just
> >>> had to stick that cold tongue out at us. I've heard it called
> >>> The Alberta Express. BRRRRRRRR!
>
> >>> TDD
>
> >> NC I95, almost SC. Lower 20's nightly for like a week. About 10
> >> degrees lower than the avg for this time in Jan. 14 slated for weekend.
>
> >> ...on the bright side
>
> >> don't have a "-" in front of that 20 like I've experienced many years
> >> up north. And don't have 33" of snow like S.O. had last weekend either.
>
> > We get a bunch of Damn Yankees coming down here from time to time
> > and when they see how beautiful it is, we can't get those suckers
> > to leave. *snicker*
>
> > TDD
>
> I thought we were just "Yankees" when we visit and "Damn Yankees" when
>
> - Show quoted text -
That reminds me of a "Damn Yankee" neighbor I had for many years. He
constantly complained about living in Texas, the heat, the humidity,
everything for years on end. Then came the opportunity for him to
return to his former home when his company offered him a transfer back
home. It was a promotion with a nice increase in pay but was also a
take it or you are out proposal since they were closing the local
operations down. Suddenly, this log term hate the heat, humidity, and
lack of a winter advocate decides that it ain't so bad after all,
resigned his job and became a very satisfied "Damn Yankee". He never
complained again and has now retired here. Seems that his memories of
the bitter cold were reason enough to forget the heat of summer.
IGot2P
Yeah, we are in a heat wave right now. My history records shows that we
went from -2.7 this morning at 2:22 AM to +16.8 now at 10:30 AM. OTOH,
it appears that it is going to start snowing quite soon. :-(
Don
Tony
> Darn those pesky rich Republicans, how
> dare they enjoy the fruits of their labor when Democrats who produce
> nothing and don't work hard or strive to improve themselves go without
> fancy clothes, homes and cars.
What is really sad is when one believes fancy clothes, homes, and cars
improve a person.
Smitty Two
"Jon Danniken" <jondanS...@yaSPAMhoo.com> wrote:
Brutal here, also. Last week was nice, around 75, but it barely got to
70 yesterday. Forecast for the rest of the week is showing highs in the
high 60's. Definitely had to break out the long-sleeved shirts.
HeyBub
> Think of all the freon they must have vented back then!
> Zero. Freon started in the forties.
You're missing the point. The ban on Freon was to prevent penguin sunburns.
Had nothing to do with global warming.
Master Betty
Of course you're right. Errors are possible. When you put the whole picture
together, ice samples and tree rings, can verify hypothesis, might be a
better way to put it.
But....when you look at the "records" they have no other option but to be
accurate. I mean....how can you fake a tree rings from ancient forests? Same
for properly analyzed ice samples. Human error? Of course.
HeyBub
>>
>> Accurate records of temperature over a sufficient number of sample
>> points on the planet do not go back very far at all. Further back you
>> have accurate temps from a few scattered points on the planet going
>> back perhaps 150 years, and prior to that you have only approximate
>> information. The ice and trees do not provide the detail to judge the
>> temperature at particular times to tenths of a degree F, more like
>> +/- 10.0 F.
>
> Of course you're right. Errors are possible. When you put the whole
> picture together, ice samples and tree rings, can verify hypothesis,
> might be a better way to put it.
>
> But....when you look at the "records" they have no other option but
> to be accurate. I mean....how can you fake a tree rings from ancient
> forests? Same for properly analyzed ice samples. Human error? Of
> course.
Oh, it's easy. Tree rings are not discrete lines on a board but rather fuzz
from one to the other. Where one draws the line is important. Further, tree
rings are conditioned by a number of factors other than temperature:
rainfall, absolute temperature, length of the growing season, etc. Third,
the trees were selected to have their rings measured by those with a vested
interest, Fourth, the rings were actually measured by those with that same
vested interest.
The gold standard for experimental verification of a hypothesis is a
double-blind study. Not done here. If I were collecting the data, I'd get
tree cores from 100 different trees in one acre, take pictures of the cores,
and give the pictures to a bunch of graduate students in a completely
different discipline (say, cello or elementary education) to measure, then
take an average of all the measurements.
Stormin Mormon
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BobR
> In article <7qho4gFqc...@mid.individual.net>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
If you are really in dire need, I have an extra pair of thermal
underwear left over from a ski trip a couple of years back.
Don Klipstein
CO2 concentration lagged temperature only when it was a positive
feedback mechanism rather than being a cause.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Don Klipstein
BobR wrote in part:
>Now check out:
>
>http://www.surfacestations.org/
2/3 of the world is covered by ocean, notaffected by surfacestation
issues, and that is also warming up:
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadsst2/diagnostics/global/nh+sh/
Two of the 5 major indices of global temperature are determinations
of lower troposphere temperature from MSU satellite data. Both of those
are warming. The less-warming one of these two and least-warming of all
5, as presented by Dr. Roy Spencer, one of the two UAH professors in
charge of it, is shown in graph form at:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
Spencer is actually notably a skeptic of anthropogenic global warming.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)