lead paint containment/removal -- interior
beagle
problem spots on painted surfaces in an old house? We have a 10-month old
active and crawling baby who plays in several areas in the house where old
paint is chipping, flaking or peeling off. An at-home lead testing kit
yielded positive (lead) results. We know we need to do something about the
problem beyond keeping surfaces (and hands) clean and chip-free, but can’t
afford a contractor to do it for us and want to do it ourselves. We don’t
want to remove all the old paint; we just want to “encapsulate” the problem
areas, prep and prime all the surfaces and re-paint. We are hearing
conflicting advice: sand, don’t sand; sand, but vacuum right behind the
sanding; chip the old paint, don’t chip it away – use a product like
“Peel-Away,” etc. The problem surfaces are mainly trim: moldings, casings,
windows, and built-ins.
We’re confused – any advice?
sadah
where near the danger that has been promoted by the enviro-chickenlittles.
If you remove the loose paint by scrapping and since it is oil based(old
house) you should rub the surfaces with a paint thinner to rough them up
and prepare them so the latex paint will adhere. Then it is just two coats
and everything will be fine.
beagle <bea...@slip.net> wrote in article
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John A Caldwell
control the child than do a major environmental control renovation. Keep the
crib away from the wall. When he starts to walk, paint (coat) selected
surfaces with a cooper sulfate solution. (also consider boat hull paint with
copper) No harm but tastes like old pennies. (distasteful).
beagle wrote in message <93033342...@news.remarQ.com>...
>Anyone out there have some advice on safely “containing” lead paint-based
>problem spots on painted surfaces in an old house? We have a 10-month old
>active and crawling baby who plays in several areas in the house where old
>paint is chipping, flaking or peeling off. An at-home lead testing kit
>yielded positive (lead) results. We know we need to do something about the
>problem beyond keeping surfaces (and hands) clean and chip-free, but can’t
TinMan1332
>where near the danger that has been promoted by the enviro-chickenlittles.
>If you remove the loose paint by scrapping and since it is oil based(old
>house) you should rub the surfaces with a paint thinner to rough them up
>and prepare them so the latex paint will adhere. Then it is just two coats
>and everything will be fine.
If the child begins to eat the chips, it can be a serious problem.
Painting over lead based _oil_ paint with latex will require the following:
Remove all loose and peeling paint.
Prime the surface with an oil based or alkyd primer. After the primer is
applied the latex will stick. Rubbing the surface with paint thinner (which is
mineral spirits) will _not_ roughen up the surface and can leave more oily
residue behind. There are some de-glossers on the market made to do this job
and they work quite well (Liquid Sandpaper, No-Sand, etc.). Cleaning the
surface with laquer thinner (not paint thinner) will soften the surface, but it
will not remain tacky long enough to provide a work decent work window.
Painting over the old paint with one or two coats of latex does not really
encapsulate the surface. If prep work is not done or is poorly done, two
problems can happen. Vinyl latex paint and acrylic paint shrink when they dry.
This can cause new areas of paint to peel or curl up at the edges where the old
paint looked tight but was not. Second, it won't stick to the oil paint on the
substrate.
Encapsulation coatings (for interior lead base paint) are an elastomeric
compound. They go on very thick and dry thick. These coatings provide a surface
that is difficult for children to remove, scratch, naw or peel off. It has the
effect of a layer of vinyl or rubber over the surface. These coatings do not
enhance details on trim and tend to cover them over. Brush stokes are more
noticable. It is difficult to remove at a later date because it can not be
sanded.
Methods of getting rid of lead painted interior surfaces:
Remove and discard affected trim and replace with new. Strip affected areas
with chemical paint removers. Encapsulate the surfaces with approved
elastomeric encapsulation coatings.
Following the wrong advice (no matter how well meaning) could result in a child
who will never get out of the 6th grade. Some communities offer finanical help
for lead abatement. There is tons of info on the subject on the web.
J.P.
sadah
remember that lead poisoning was the first big socialist/green lie.
Elevated levels were associated with poor performance in schools in the
ghettos of the 70's which was the first large scale case of selective cause
and effect data manipulation by the environmentalists(green communists).
Every three years or so the EPA lowered the levels so as to continue their
quest for control. No child in America died of lead poisoning but they
still can't read as seniors in highschool. Good parents don't let their
kids eat paint. Tin I'll check out the other group to continue this.
TinMan1332 <tinma...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> If the child begins to eat the chips, it can be a serious problem.
Phil Munro
>
> To continue the lead propaganda check out sci.environment newsgroup but
> remember that lead poisoning was the first big socialist/green lie.
I'm not good with history, but, ... what do I remember hearing about
the Roman empire and pots containing lead? --Phil
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Youngstown, Ohio 44555
sadah
Two completely separate problems, people believe that if a child eats one
lead containing paint chip or handles a lead fishing sinker its development
will be impaired. No relationship to Rome but another example of a very
little knowledge being a dangerous thing in the hands of a zealot or a
spoiled brat. Your folks grew up with lead paint, lead solder, lead in
gasoline and lead lined water coolers in school, they turned out fine I'm
sure.
Vic Dura
>Again you have fallen victim to the halftruths of cherry picking an issue.
>Two completely separate problems, people believe that if a child eats one
>lead containing paint chip or handles a lead fishing sinker its development
>will be impaired. No relationship to Rome but another example of a very
>little knowledge being a dangerous thing in the hands of a zealot or a
>spoiled brat. Your folks grew up with lead paint, lead solder, lead in
>gasoline and lead lined water coolers in school, they turned out fine I'm
>sure.
One might also consider that the Roman empire lasted well over 1300
years. I wonder if the original poster thinks we'll last that long
without the lead? Heck, we would probably do better to start using lead
pipes. :)
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Phil Munro <pcm...@cc.ysu.edu> wrote in message
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> sadah wrote:
> >
> > To continue the lead propaganda check out sci.environment newsgroup
but
> > remember that lead poisoning was the first big socialist/green lie.
> > ...
> I'm not good with history, but, ... what do I remember hearing about
> the Roman empire and pots containing lead? --Phil
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> Phil Munro Dept of Electrical & Computer Engin
> mailto:pcm...@cc.ysu.edu Youngstown State University
> Youngstown, Ohio 44555
Alison Meyer
Dura) wrote:
And this is the kind of thing that irks me about asbestos, too. I have
these horrible asbestos shingles, and I'd have to hire a special (read:
expensive) company to remove them. Meantime, a licensed painter can pry
'em off and toss 'em into a dumpster and nobody bats an eyelash. We still
have some old lead pipes, too, and I'd say that the majority of folks in
town seem OK despite it. I had someone once tell me that even tiny bits
of lead could cause infertility, and it was all I could do not to laugh in
his face, seeing as how there certainly seem to be enough people around
whose parents had constant exposure to lead in one form or another.
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