OT If only.

[harryagain]

If only she'd a had a six shooter, she'd a sorted him out good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odt2NZxbtps!

[Attila.Iskander]

"harryagain" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:jor5s2$h40$1...@dont-email.me...

> If only she'd a had a six shooter, she'd a sorted him out good.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odt2NZxbtps!
>

She should be charged with assault and battery.
And naturally the tape of her attack would be clear evidence against
her.

[Frank]

I'd say, good for her. The cyclist was an obvious ass for blocking the
road.

[Oren]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 13:03:15 -0400, Frank
<frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote:

>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odt2NZxbtps!
>>>
>>
>> She should be charged with assault and battery.
>> And naturally the tape of her attack would be clear evidence against her.
>>
>>
>I'd say, good for her. The cyclist was an obvious ass for blocking the
>road.

Maybe the guy is deaf, can't hear the cars behind him...

The attacker was not in the same car as the video recorder as best as
I can tell. The person would be difficult to identify or find.

Besides, 'over-yonder' the innocent go to jail.

[Oren]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 11:30:28 -0500, "Attila.Iskander"
<Attila....@Live.com> wrote:

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odt2NZxbtps!
>>
>
>She should be charged with assault and battery.
> And naturally the tape of her attack would be clear evidence against
>her.
>

You do know you are talking to harry. The Town Crier. The liar that
called me a liar, as well as attacks on many others here.

The video is bullshit. Did you hear any horns blowing, so the old
codgers would move over?

A staged event...

[Frank]

There is a verbal exchange indicating the guy is not deaf.

I believe slower vehicle holding up traffic, more than 5 piled up behind
him, is supposed to yield to their passing.

Nice to see somebody in England with balls, even though a girl ;)

[Oren]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 15:37:10 -0400, Frank
<frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On 5/14/2012 2:03 PM, Oren wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 May 2012 13:03:15 -0400, Frank
>> <frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odt2NZxbtps!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> She should be charged with assault and battery.
>>>> And naturally the tape of her attack would be clear evidence against her.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'd say, good for her. The cyclist was an obvious ass for blocking the
>>> road.
>>
>> Maybe the guy is deaf, can't hear the cars behind him...
>>
>> The attacker was not in the same car as the video recorder as best as
>> I can tell. The person would be difficult to identify or find.
>>
>> Besides, 'over-yonder' the innocent go to jail.
>
>There is a verbal exchange indicating the guy is not deaf.
>

I never heard any verbal words, did you? <speakers on>

>I believe slower vehicle holding up traffic, more than 5 piled up behind
>him, is supposed to yield to their passing.
>

No video of this terrible traffic event. I see no cars, other than the
person recording -- in one car. Where is this line of cars?

They just say all this happens

[Cliff H]

Did anybody here read the words that were on the video?????

This must be in England where they still have fox hunts possibly illegally.
The guy on the bike was a supporter of the hunts and the people in the car
were some sort of monitors kind of like a neighborhood watch for fox hunts.

So the bike rider was purposely getting in their way.

I found this in 10 seconds.

http://www.brightonanimalaction.org/home/campaigns/hunting/

"harryagain" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message
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[Ed Pawlowski]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 15:46:32 +0100, "harryagain" <harol...@aol.com>
wrote:

>If only she'd a had a six shooter, she'd a sorted him out good.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odt2NZxbtps!
>

Emma Peel, is that you ! ! !

[harry]

On May 14, 8:30 pm, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 May 2012 11:30:28 -0500, "Attila.Iskander"
>

> <Attila.Iskan...@Live.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odt2NZxbtps!
>
> >She should be charged with assault and battery.
> >    And naturally the tape of her attack would be clear evidence against
> >her.
>
> You do know you are talking to harry. The Town Crier. The liar that
> called me a liar, as well as attacks on many others here.
>
> The video is bullshit.  Did you hear any horns blowing, so the old
> codgers would move over?
>
> A staged event...

Us Brits rarely use our horns. It's considered impolite.

[harry]

On May 15, 12:09 am, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 May 2012 15:46:32 +0100, "harryagain" <haroldhr...@aol.com>

> wrote:
>
> >If only she'd a had a six shooter, she'd a sorted him out good.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odt2NZxbtps!
>
> Emma Peel, is that you ! ! !

Heh Heh. "Emma Peel" looks pretty haggard these days poor thing.

[Attila.Iskander]

"Frank" <frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:jordsl$5i8$1...@dont-email.me...

AS much of an ass as ANY protestor who blocks a road.
Still, NOT an excuse for assault and battery.

[Attila.Iskander]

"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message
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But you wear them really well...

[Jules Richardson]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 06:54:15 -0500, Attila.Iskander wrote:
>> Us Brits rarely use our horns. It's considered impolite.
>
> But you wear them really well...

Harry's is up his ass.

[AJL]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 22:40:40 -0700 (PDT), harry <harol...@aol.com>
wrote:

He's lucky he's a Brit. In parts of my city (Phoenix) he would have
been shot. In fact they shoot bicyclists occasionally just for sport.
You think I'm kidding??

[gonjah]

On 5/14/2012 9:46 AM, harryagain wrote:
> If only she'd a had a six shooter, she'd a sorted him out good.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odt2NZxbtps!
>
>

She needs a good shagging!

--
X-No-Archive: Yes

[harry]

And you're just the one? Heh Heh.

[Oren]

No.

[HeyBub]

AJL wrote:
>>
>> Us Brits rarely use our horns. It's considered impolite.
>
> He's lucky he's a Brit. In parts of my city (Phoenix) he would have
> been shot. In fact they shoot bicyclists occasionally just for sport.
> You think I'm kidding??

Same here, but before readers get the wrong impression, people are shot - in
Phoenix and Houston - only when they deserve it. Usually.

[AJL]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 20:41:48 -0500, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

This one did:

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/fd:-2-officers,-suspect-shot-in-phoenix

>Usually.

But not always:

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/phoenix-pd%3A-bicyclist-dies-after-being-shot-on-way-to-work

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Good-Samaritan-shot-while-trying-to-break-up-fight-148105245.html

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/north_phoenix/bicyclist-dropped-off,-shot-and-killed-in-phoenix-

[harry]

On May 14, 7:03 pm, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 May 2012 13:03:15 -0400, Frank
>

In the USA they are executed.

[HeyBub]

harry wrote:
>>
>> Besides, 'over-yonder' the innocent go to jail.
>
> In the USA they are executed.

Assume the accused DID NOT commit the act for which he was condemned. Then
consider the three rationales for punishment:

* Protection of society from further depradations of the evil-doer is
obviously non-operative since the accused is not an actual evil-doer.
* Rehabilitation of the offender is similarily off the table in that the
accused doesn't need rehabilitation.
* Deterrence of those with evil ambitions.

The latter is still in play.

As the Lord High Mayor once said to the condemned on the gibbet: "Oh, we're
not hanging you because you killed Charlie, we're hanging you so that others
won't kill."

[HeyBub]

Well, I, uh, don't think it's quite fair to condemn a whole program because
of a single slip-up...

[Frank]

My mistake in taking the video as presented.
Who knows how far the staging went?
Cyclist might have even been in on it.

[Oren]

On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:13:45 -0500, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

harry doesn't understand deterrence. You are way over his head on
this one.

[Oren]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 23:36:06 -0700 (PDT), harry <harol...@aol.com>
wrote:

>> Besides, 'over-yonder' the innocent go to jail.
>
>In the USA they are executed.

Sure. Completely legal. The Feds finally came around and
re-implemented the death penalty.

Being a humane society, we swab the arm with alcohol swabs before we
execute them. Can't let them die from infection.

Unless they chose hanging or firing squad -- in some states.

...but you already know all this

[harry]

On May 16, 4:51 pm, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2012 23:36:06 -0700 (PDT), harry <haroldhr...@aol.com>

> wrote:
>
> >> Besides, 'over-yonder' the innocent go to jail.
>
> >In the USA they are executed.
>
> Sure. Completely legal. The Feds finally came around and
> re-implemented the death penalty.
>
> Being a humane society, we swab the arm with alcohol swabs before we
> execute them.  Can't let them die from infection.
>
> Unless they chose hanging or firing squad -- in some states.
>
> ...but you already know all this

But at the end of the day, it doesn't seem to help

[HeyBub]

harry wrote:
>>
>> Sure. Completely legal. The Feds finally came around and
>> re-implemented the death penalty.
>>
>> Being a humane society, we swab the arm with alcohol swabs before we
>> execute them. Can't let them die from infection.
>>
>> Unless they chose hanging or firing squad -- in some states.
>>
>> ...but you already know all this
>
> But at the end of the day, it doesn't seem to help

Sure it does. Those who are executed don't kill anyone else.

The whole thing is kind of like "biting dog" rules. You put the dog down,
presto, no more biting. At least from THAT dog.

[harry]

Tough shit if they get it wrong and the killer is still on the streets.

[HeyBub]

harry wrote:
>>
>> Sure it does. Those who are executed don't kill anyone else.
>>
>> The whole thing is kind of like "biting dog" rules. You put the dog
>> down, presto, no more biting. At least from THAT dog.
>
> Tough shit if they get it wrong and the killer is still on the
> streets.

No, there's still the deterrence factor.

In your example, the murderer may very well say to himself "Whew! I almost
got executed! I better straighten up and do right!"

Of course he may very well think that if he got away with it once, he will
escape punishment again!

It is said that the wheels of justice grind slowly, but they grind very
fine. We'll get him eventually, no matter how many we have to execute.

[Oren]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 07:23:55 -0500, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

The single most thing; likely to get him caught is a broken taillight.

They can run, but they can't hide. When used, the death penalty is THE
final deterrence.

[Oren]

On Wed, 16 May 2012 11:16:13 -0700 (PDT), harry <harol...@aol.com>
wrote:

Don't be silly:

- The control center changes the master population count - minus one.
Transfer to local morgue.

- Call Food Service and cancel a meal for death row.

- Assign another death row cell to another condemned person.

- Calls F/S back and adds one meal to the food cart.

It does help.

[harry]

> final deterrence.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So why is the USA the murder our times ours?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Either it's no deterrent or you're getting the wrong people.
Or your cops are shit.

[Oren]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:19:50 -0700 (PDT), harry <harol...@aol.com>
wrote:

>So why is the USA the murder our times ours?

...because you can't tell me what your are trying to say, here?!

~
ya muppet..

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

Nothing important.

[HeyBub]

harry wrote:
>
> So why is the USA the murder our times ours?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
>

The propensity to commit murder and mayhem is genetic. You killed off all
your carriers - or shipped them to penal colonies - generations ago.

What's left are wimps.

> Either it's no deterrent or you're getting the wrong people.
> Or your cops are shit.

Frankly, our cops arrest the squints every chance they get, it's the juries
and the judges we elect that turn them loose. Plus, I shudder to think what
the murder rate would be without what deterrence there is.

[HeyBub]

Oren wrote:
>>
>> But at the end of the day, it doesn't seem to help
>
> Don't be silly:
>
> - The control center changes the master population count - minus one.
> Transfer to local morgue.
>
> - Call Food Service and cancel a meal for death row.
>
> - Assign another death row cell to another condemned person.
>
> - Calls F/S back and adds one meal to the food cart.
>
> It does help.

You remind me of a good idea: In my state (Texas), the prison system
recently abandoned the "last meal" privilege. For like forever, the
condemned person got to specify what he wanted to eat for his last meal, up
to, I think, about $25. That is, somebody would gather the required food
from outside sources (if necessary). The inmate could, for example, ask for
KFC chicken, watermelon, Blue Bell ice cream, a cut of prime rib, or almost
anything else, even if not normally provided by the prison kitchen.

No more.

So here's my idea: A website, possibly called "lastmeal.org" which would
solicit donations to provide this now-missing last act of mercy and charity.

Of course there would be significant overhead, salaries and so forth...

[RonB]

On May 14, 9:46 am, "harryagain" <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
> If only she'd a had a six shooter, she'd a sorted him out good.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odt2NZxbtps!

I am a cyclist but it is guys like him that damage our image. But I
would have felt better about this if I had heard the folks in the car
at least honk.

I say good for her! and BTW, I doubt if he was deaf. At the last
moment he did look to the side to see here coming. I suspect she was
vocal on her approach.

Also BTW - Why as this turkey been singled out as a "Hunt" supporter.
He is a turkey and hunting has nothing to do with it.

RonB

[Oren]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 07:38:11 -0500, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

I propose the last meal be an MRE (meals ready to eat) packet.

He might want a 1942 cracker.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

Can they even give the condemned a meal before an IV?

[Oren]

I expect they can. Say the guy is on a self-declared hunger strike.
He needs to be kept alive so he doesn't cheat justice and get a proper
execution.

Depending on the agency, he could be force feed 2100 liquid calories
with a tube and funnel before being put too death.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

Perhaps the ACLU should look into that.

[harry]

Foxes notTurkeys. There is conjecture that he did it deliberately to
sabotage a nearby foxhunt. (Hunt Sabateurs Association).
http://hsa.enviroweb.org/

[Attila.Iskander]

"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Sure it does
It's like a dog that bites
After you put it down, it will not bite anyone again.
The pat that idiots forget is that it's not meant to stop any other dog from
biting

[Attila.Iskander]

"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message

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They system now has so many checks and balances, that the odds of getting it
wrong these days are pretty low.

[Attila.Iskander]

"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message

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So why have other countries even higher murder rates than the USA ??
Here's a BIG FAT CLUE for the USA.
If you do not count young black and hispanic males in the crime stats, the
USA is on par if not safer than Canada, and most definitely the UK.

Maybe you should actually attempt to THINK before you spout superficial and
ignorant cant.

[Attila.Iskander]

"HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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> harry wrote:
>>
>> So why is the USA the murder our times ours?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
>>
>
> The propensity to commit murder and mayhem is genetic. You killed off all
> your carriers - or shipped them to penal colonies - generations ago.
>
> What's left are wimps.
>

Well, considering that their numbers are on the rise in the UK, it appears
that they have been importing some replacements, who are happily killing off
the wimps.

>
>> Either it's no deterrent or you're getting the wrong people.
>> Or your cops are shit.
>
> Frankly, our cops arrest the squints every chance they get, it's the
> juries and the judges we elect that turn them loose. Plus, I shudder to
> think what the murder rate would be without what deterrence there is.

What superficial ignorati like harry do is jump to conclusions based on the
wrong premise.
Since the premise is wrong, so are their conclusions

[Attila.Iskander]

"Oren" <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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I think that fasting for the last 24 hours would be even better...
Make that final bowel movement as small as possible,

[Oren]

On Mon, 21 May 2012 08:17:47 -0500, "Attila.Iskander"
<Attila....@Live.com> wrote:

>> The propensity to commit murder and mayhem is genetic. You killed off all
>> your carriers - or shipped them to penal colonies - generations ago.
>>
>> What's left are wimps.
>>
>
>
>Well, considering that their numbers are on the rise in the UK, it appears
>that they have been importing some replacements, who are happily killing off
>the wimps.

... London is now the sixth largest city in France

[Oren]

I've only know of one incident of a "lost bowel". Florida State
Prison -- he shit on the electric chair. Normally the deceased is
cleaned up by the local medical examiner. FSP did consider packing his
tail pipe with cotton balls -- preventing future incidents.

Florida did stop using a synthetic sponge in the skull cap on the
electric chair. It set a man's hair on fire. Research proved they had
to return to using natural sea sponges.

[HeyBub]

Attila.Iskander wrote:
>>
>> The propensity to commit murder and mayhem is genetic. You killed
>> off all your carriers - or shipped them to penal colonies -
>> generations ago. What's left are wimps.
>>
>
>
> Well, considering that their numbers are on the rise in the UK, it
> appears that they have been importing some replacements, who are
> happily killing off the wimps.
>
>

Some great worthy once said "The penis is mightier than the sword," by which
I think he meant they can breed faster than you can kill them (or ship them
to a penal colony).

[HeyBub]

Attila.Iskander wrote:
>
> Sure it does
> It's like a dog that bites
> After you put it down, it will not bite anyone again.
> The pat that idiots forget is that it's not meant to stop any other
> dog from biting

Execution certainly does discourage the rational thinker from killing
spontaneously or wantonly. The rational person plans a murder with precision
and most of the time gets away with it.

The murderer that is NOT deterred is the one with the brain power of the dog
you mentioned.

[harry]

So that means you are wasting your time then.
Exactly my point.

[Attila.Iskander]

"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message

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Another stupid generalization based on a false premise.
It is a false premise that capital punishment is PRIMARILY meant as
"deterrence"
It is NOT !
NO LAW is effective as deterrence
Laws that punish are PRIMARILY intended to punish and separate the criminal
from the general population.

[Oren]

On Tue, 22 May 2012 08:31:43 -0500, "Attila.Iskander"
<Attila....@Live.com> wrote:

>>
>> So that means you are wasting your time then.
>> Exactly my point.
>
>Another stupid generalization based on a false premise.
>It is a false premise that capital punishment is PRIMARILY meant as
>"deterrence"

Slight adjustment. CP is a final deterrence. When applied properly
under the rule of law it does deter.

> It is NOT !
>NO LAW is effective as deterrence

Right. Crooks never say to themselves: Self! If I rape, murder, rob
and pillage the weaker, the state will kill me. They seek immediate
gratification. Nothing about consequences.

>Laws that punish are PRIMARILY intended to punish and separate the criminal
>from the general population.

Punishment is when they go to the pokey. That is the punishment, so we
don't punish them once the crooks arrive off the bus.

[harry]

On May 22, 7:02 pm, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 08:31:43 -0500, "Attila.Iskander"
>

As you lock up more people than any other nation, does this indicate
you are an evil bunch?

[Oren]

On Tue, 22 May 2012 11:52:01 -0700 (PDT), harry <harol...@aol.com>
wrote:

>As you lock up more people than any other nation, does this indicate
>you are an evil bunch?

Got a link, for "more"?

No. We are compassionate people.

America is releasing prisoners by thousands. I never expect for you to
understand how things work, over here.

~ ya muppet

[HeyBub]

No, it deters the rational thinker. Sometimes even one capable of forming
profound rational concepts cannot conceive of a proper plan.

Some things are just no doable.

[HeyBub]

Attila.Iskander wrote:
>
> Another stupid generalization based on a false premise.
> It is a false premise that capital punishment is PRIMARILY meant as
> "deterrence"
> It is NOT !
> NO LAW is effective as deterrence
> Laws that punish are PRIMARILY intended to punish and separate the
> criminal from the general population.

Um, if you mean by "punishment," the concept of retribution, well, even
though NO penal code in the U.S. mentions that as a justification, I'll
agree that retribution is often the reason. In my state, and probably many
others, the Code of Criminal Procedure lists three justifications and goals
for the criminal justice system:

1. To protect society from further depredations of the accused,
2. To rehabilitate the offender, and
3. To deter those similarily inclined from the same acts.