They're not really DTV converters !
anon...@anonymous.com
supposedly DTV converters are not really DTV converters !
Yes, they do convert a digital tv signal to analog, but at what price.
The price is actually your privacy. What they don't tell you is that
these "converters" are actually spy devices, developed so the
government can tune in on any household at any time and watch your
activities, as well as monitoring your spending habits, television
show preferences, and other personal details which will allow them to
sell these lists to marketers to promote their goods to matched
markets. That is why when you sign up for your DTV coupon(s) you
provide your name and address, they then give you a card with a one of
a kind number, and when you purchase your approved converter, the
store must register the serial number of that converter to match your
government coupon. Thus, that serial number becomes your personal
code with which the government can track you.
But it does not stop there. These devices do actually allow the
government to obtain your financial data, and even watch you in your
own home, and hear you speaking. When they said "big brother is
watching" years ago, no one fathomed what was to come. Big brother
has arrived, and lives right on top of your television. The
government can hone in on anyone at any time. They could be watching
YOU right now, if you have your DTV converter. This box may have only
cost you ten dollars more than the value of the coupon, but you'll pay
dearly wiht your privacy and freedoms for the rest of your life.
The only way to prevent this infringement of our privacy is to refuse
to purchase these converters, If you already ordered your coupons,
send them back when you receive them, marked "return to sender, person
unknown".
Please pass this message on to others .....
Big brother is watching you !!!!
David Nebenzahl
> These boxes that the government is giving us $40 coupons for
> supposedly DTV converters are not really DTV converters !
>
> Yes, they do convert a digital tv signal to analog, but at what price.
> The price is actually your privacy. What they don't tell you is that
> these "converters" are actually spy devices, developed so the
> government can tune in on any household at any time and watch your
> activities, [...]
Are you saying that these boxes have built-in video cameras to be used
to spy on us?
--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute
conversation with the average voter.
- Attributed to Winston Churchill
Kurt Ullman
David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
> On 5/15/2008 4:10 PM anon...@anonymous.com spake thus:
>
> > These boxes that the government is giving us $40 coupons for
> > supposedly DTV converters are not really DTV converters !
> >
> > Yes, they do convert a digital tv signal to analog, but at what price.
> > The price is actually your privacy. What they don't tell you is that
> > these "converters" are actually spy devices, developed so the
> > government can tune in on any household at any time and watch your
> > activities, [...]
>
> Are you saying that these boxes have built-in video cameras to be used
> to spy on us?
Why do I have the feeling that the OP probably has his own personal
black helicopter following him around?
gnu/linux
> In article <482cc819$0$11138$82264...@news.adtechcomputers.com>,
> David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>
> > On 5/15/2008 4:10 PM anonym...@anonymous.com spake thus:
>
> > > These boxes that the government is giving us $40 coupons for
> > > supposedly DTV converters are not really DTV converters !
>
> > > Yes, they do convert a digital tv signal to analog, but at what price.
> > > The price is actually your privacy. What they don't tell you is that
> > > these "converters" are actually spy devices, developed so the
> > > government can tune in on any household at any time and watch your
> > > activities, [...]
>
> > Are you saying that these boxes have built-in video cameras to be used
> > to spy on us?
>
> Why do I have the feeling that the OP probably has his own personal
> black helicopter following him around?
YMMV ?
Al
"David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:482cc819$0$11138$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com...
> On 5/15/2008 4:10 PM anon...@anonymous.com spake thus:
>
>> These boxes that the government is giving us $40 coupons for
>> supposedly DTV converters are not really DTV converters !
>>
>> Yes, they do convert a digital tv signal to analog, but at what price.
>> The price is actually your privacy. What they don't tell you is that
>> these "converters" are actually spy devices, developed so the
>> government can tune in on any household at any time and watch your
>> activities, [...]
>
> Are you saying that these boxes have built-in video cameras to be used to
> spy on us?
>
ship........
Dave Bugg
I found his picture: http://www.tfhp.org/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg
--
Dave www.davebbq.com
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan
ds...@webtv.net
sound from you if the tv was designed for it. lucas
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AZ Nomad
>These boxes that the government is giving us $40 coupons for
>supposedly DTV converters are not really DTV converters !
>Yes, they do convert a digital tv signal to analog, but at what price.
>The price is actually your privacy. What they don't tell you is that
>these "converters" are actually spy devices, developed so the
>government can tune in on any household at any time and watch your
lame troll
Dave Bugg
> ive wondered before if this digital could be a way to get a pic
> and sound from you if the tv was designed for it. lucas
Uh......ok.
Edwin Pawlowski
"David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
>
> spy on us?
>
Of course they don't. Only a paranoid conspiracy theory nut would think
that.
Oh BTW, you really should not be using the computer in your underwear but if
you must, the red boxers are much sharper than the ones you are wearing
tonight. .
Harry L
<nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>On 5/15/2008 4:10 PM anon...@anonymous.com spake thus:
>
>> These boxes that the government is giving us $40 coupons for
>> supposedly DTV converters are not really DTV converters !
>>
>> Yes, they do convert a digital tv signal to analog, but at what price.
>> The price is actually your privacy. What they don't tell you is that
>> these "converters" are actually spy devices, developed so the
>> government can tune in on any household at any time and watch your
>> activities, [...]
>
>Are you saying that these boxes have built-in video cameras to be used
>to spy on us?
They don't actually. It's wireless nanotechnology. When the converter
box is first activated (which must be done physically, not by remote)
the box downloads little nanometer-scale robots into your nervous
system in order to monitor your activities. The nanobots use the
converter remote to return information from you. At the same time,
nanomachines are sent into the powerline to find a suitable path for
sending this information to the government. Some government agency now
has complete information on your sexual and dope preferences.
Returning the coupons without using them leads to a visit (usually at
3AM) from an undisclosed secret agency to implant the nanospies.
BTW, common side effects of nanobot infestation include serious rectal
itch and loss of the ability to appreciate beer.
hal...@aol.com
nothing would shock me:(
Kurt Ullman
"Dave Bugg" <dave...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Why do I have the feeling that the OP probably has his own personal
> > black helicopter following him around?
>
>
> I found his picture: http://www.tfhp.org/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg
Some guys at MIT with a little too much time on their hands actually
did the math and announced that tin foil is likely to amplify the radio
waves in the UHF frequencies most often populated by governments.
Don't know if they have looked at the 800 MHZ trunking systems
that have proliferated more recently.
BRUCE
To say the government is spying on us through HD converters is moronic.
Jim Yanik
3136.bay.webtv.net:
> What a freakin idiot.
>
> To say the government is spying on us through HD converters is moronic.
>
>
yeah,I'm sure the gov't wants to be looking in on a bunch of dumpy old
couchpotatoes in their underwear....there's SO much to see.
(yeeccchhh!)
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
Joseph Meehan
news:4o4Xj.5298$xr1.3469@trndny04...
> Kurt Ullman wrote:
>
> I found his picture: http://www.tfhp.org/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg
>
> --
> Dave www.davebbq.com
>
This guy also needs tinfoil underwear.
--
Joseph Meehan
Dia 's Muire duit
mkir...@rochester.rr.com
> What a freakin idiot.
>
> To say the government is spying on us through HD converters is moronic.
I'd love to hear his explanation of how a few hundred people can keep
tabs on, let alone control, over THREE HUNDRED MILLION. Where are the
teams of shock troops dragging my neighbors out of their homes in the
middle of the night? Why did they let those meth labs operate in my
neighborhood for over a decade? Where is my black helicopter? I want a
BLACK HELICOPTER!!!
Jeff Wisnia
> Kurt Ullman wrote:
>
>>In article <482cc819$0$11138$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com>,
>>David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 5/15/2008 4:10 PM anon...@anonymous.com spake thus:
>>>
>>>
>>>>These boxes that the government is giving us $40 coupons for
>>>>supposedly DTV converters are not really DTV converters !
>>>>
>>>>Yes, they do convert a digital tv signal to analog, but at what
>>>>price. The price is actually your privacy. What they don't tell
>>>>you is that these "converters" are actually spy devices, developed
>>>>so the government can tune in on any household at any time and
>>>>watch your activities, [...]
>>>
>>>Are you saying that these boxes have built-in video cameras to be
>>>used to spy on us?
>>
>> Why do I have the feeling that the OP probably has his own personal
>>black helicopter following him around?
>
>
>
> I found his picture: http://www.tfhp.org/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg
>
Tinfoil isn't to easy to find these days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinfoil
Aluminum foil seems to be the material of choice now:
Jeff
--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.
J O E
Joe
terry
> Big brother is watching you.
.
Somebody needs to tell this paranoiac OP as follows;
"Just because someone has an irrational fear that someone is out get
them doesn't meant that someone ISN'T out to get them"! :-)
Dave Bugg
>> What the hell you doin' in here, Bruce !
>>
>> Don't ya know that anyone from WebTV is an idiot .......... ?
Especially when they throw in a buncha html crap.
Gawd, why hasn't Webtv died yet?
larry moe 'n curly
anonym...@anonymous.com wrote:
> These boxes that the government is giving us $40 coupons for
> supposedly DTV converters are not really DTV converters !
>
> Yes, they do convert a digital tv signal to analog, but at what price.
> The price is actually your privacy. What they don't tell you is that
> these "converters" are actually spy devices, developed so the
> government can tune in on any household at any time and watch your
> activities, as well as monitoring your spending habits, television
> show preferences, and other personal details which will allow them to
> sell these lists to marketers to promote their goods to matched
> markets. That is why when you sign up for your DTV coupon(s) you
> provide your name and address, they then give you a card with a one of
> a kind number, and when you purchase your approved converter, the
> store must register the serial number of that converter to match your
> government coupon. Thus, that serial number becomes your personal
> code with which the government can track you.
1. Are you saying we should instead buy a much more expensive HDTV to
protect our privacy?
2. Do you sell HDTVs?
3. Are you in constant contact with the Sputnik Forces, perhaps not
willingly?
David Nebenzahl
> J O E wrote:
>
>>> What the hell you doin' in here, Bruce !
>>>
>>> Don't ya know that anyone from WebTV is an idiot .......... ?
>
> Especially when they throw in a buncha html crap.
>
> Gawd, why hasn't Webtv died yet?
Well, whaddya know, looks like Micro$oft bought it: http://webtv.com/pc
I guess old Bill hasn't driven the wooden stake through the heart of the
monster yet ...
Dave Bugg
> On 5/16/2008 1:53 PM Dave Bugg spake thus:
>
>> J O E wrote:
>>
>>>> What the hell you doin' in here, Bruce !
>>>>
>>>> Don't ya know that anyone from WebTV is an idiot .......... ?
>>
>> Especially when they throw in a buncha html crap.
>>
>> Gawd, why hasn't Webtv died yet?
>
> Well, whaddya know, looks like Micro$oft bought it:
> http://webtv.com/pc
> I guess old Bill hasn't driven the wooden stake through the heart of
> the monster yet ...
...Sigh...
HeyBub
>
> I guess old Bill hasn't driven the wooden stake through the heart of
> the monster yet ...
This "wooden stake through the heart" business is pure Hollywood bullshit!
If you read Bram Stoker's book, "Dracula," you find the only way to dispose
of a vampire is to drive a BOWIE KNIFE through the creature's heart - not
some pissant tent-peg!
I'm in Texas. We have a lot of Bowie knives in this state and virtually no
vampire problem.
Sam E
wrote:
My friend kept a machete and never had a kangaroo problem in the front
yard...
Tom Horne
> These boxes that the government is giving us $40 coupons for
> supposedly DTV converters are not really DTV converters !
>
> Yes, they do convert a digital tv signal to analog, but at what price.
> The price is actually your privacy. What they don't tell you is that
> these "converters" are actually spy devices, developed so the
> government can tune in on any household at any time and watch your
> activities, as well as monitoring your spending habits, television
> show preferences, and other personal details which will allow them to
> sell these lists to marketers to promote their goods to matched
> markets. That is why when you sign up for your DTV coupon(s) you
> provide your name and address, they then give you a card with a one of
> a kind number, and when you purchase your approved converter, the
> store must register the serial number of that converter to match your
> government coupon. Thus, that serial number becomes your personal
> code with which the government can track you.
>
> government to obtain your financial data, and even watch you in your
> own home, and hear you speaking. When they said "big brother is
> watching" years ago, no one fathomed what was to come. Big brother
> has arrived, and lives right on top of your television. The
> government can hone in on anyone at any time. They could be watching
> YOU right now, if you have your DTV converter. This box may have only
> cost you ten dollars more than the value of the coupon, but you'll pay
> dearly wiht your privacy and freedoms for the rest of your life.
>
> The only way to prevent this infringement of our privacy is to refuse
> to purchase these converters, If you already ordered your coupons,
> send them back when you receive them, marked "return to sender, person
> unknown".
>
> Please pass this message on to others .....
>
> Big brother is watching you !!!!
>
Someone forgot to put on their tin foil hat today and the cosmic rays;
No wait it's the UN black helicopters or is it the aliens? I can't keep
track.
--
Tom Horne
"This alternating current stuff is just a fad. It is much too dangerous
for general use." Thomas Alva Edison
Tony Hwang
He forgot to know that he can mod. the box so he can watch what the
government is upto watching him, LOL! When I mod. mine they never
watched me again!
Dave Bugg
Bowies are good. I prefer a khukri myself..... good for lopping off heads or
sticking through hearts.
Oren
wrote:
>David Nebenzahl wrote:
Mr Bowie would be proud! The term "multitasking" was not yet coined.
HeyBub
Each area has its own legends, customs, and traditions.
For example, Massachusetts hasn't had a witch problem since 1692.
Oren
wrote:
Nobody in Miami, FL is allowed to tie an alligator to a fire hydrant
on Sunday. It is law from last century.
ds...@webtv.net
equipment could be used selectively to see and hear in the area of the
tv or converter. kind like th big brother can watch you if your
suspected of something or if some ass gives an anonomous tip to police.
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Dave Bugg
> my point was that these converters and maybe just plain ol digital
> equipment could be used selectively to see and hear in the area of the
> tv or converter. kind like th big brother can watch you if your
> suspected of something or if some ass gives an anonomous tip to
> police.
M'kay.
Ya gotta love them WebTVers. ROTFLOL!!!
Bill
> my point was that these converters and maybe just plain ol digital
> equipment could be used selectively to see and hear in the area of the
> tv or converter. kind like th big brother can watch you if your
> suspected of something or if some ass gives an anonomous tip to police.
>
Well just doing a quick search of these boxes, I found 14 different
manufacturers of these. That would be a *LOT* of different people involved
with manufacturing the boxes.
Now who are these people? Well they are just like you and I. Do you really
think that with so many people involved with manufacturing a product like
this that the government would be able to include a listening device and no
one would alert the media? That they could keep it a secret?
The government keeps secrets by not having very many people involved with a
project. Say only 2 manufacturers of something. And many times the secrets
leak out anyway.
I'll bet if you search around, you will be able to find schematic wiring
diagrams of some of these converter boxes on the internet. Everything in the
box electronics there for anyone to see.
Then you have people like me who like to take things apart to see what is
inside when I buy it. I know electronics. If I did this and noticed
something fishy, I would quickly post a message on the internet commenting
on what I found.
Then there are electronic technicians and service people who repair things
like this. Not a group of people to keep things secret!
Bottom line, too many people involved for any secret listening devices to be
included in this device.
Also each device would need to have a unique number so just that device
could be turned on to listen. And "they" would need to know which house had
a specific device so "they" could activate the device at that house (and not
activate the box at a neighbor's house). Well you can pay cash for one of
these boxes and not ever give your name or address. So how would they know
what box you had to activate it?
Vince
The government might not be the spying entity here (they don't have
the needed bandwidth), whereas if you replace "government converter
box" with "CABLETV digital converter box", those that have a magnetic
recording media card plugged in, well then there is something that is
suspect. The CABLETV company has the bandwidth via the fiberoptic
cable network and is also able to identify your installation and
control what goes in and what comes back out of their converter box at
each TV receiver. We should feel safer with the government sponsored
converter box compared with what is provided, at a monthly fee, by the
CABLETV industry. Only one government converter box is needed per
household; simply place it in line with your outdoor TV antenna and
feed all household TV receivers that are on the cable line.
RVer Don
Only one government converter box is needed per
> household; simply place it in line with your outdoor TV antenna and
> feed all household TV receivers that are on the cable line.
That will work just fine as long as all you want to watch is the same
channel on every TV.
Don
Vince
wrote:
As a matter of fact, two government vouchers per household are now or
in the future made available. At my end, there are two people and two
(analog tuner) TV receivers.
We are, reluctantly, on CableTV subscription service and recently lost
ten channels at one TV due to just one CableTV converter box being
provided to us at no cost (at this time) .
I spent some time reading and downloading articles about DTV, etc.
this morning. My argument is with the CableTelevision Industry,
rather than Big Brother.
I might need to put up a 50 foot tower and go SatTV soon after my main
(1986 era) TV receiver finally goes down. It has a problem with its
internal analog tuner as well as a HV problem now.
JimR
"Vince" <NoSPAM2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e9s7549tbt86hd94u...@4ax.com...
[snip]
>
> I might need to put up a 50 foot tower and go SatTV soon after my main
> (1986 era) TV receiver finally goes down.
>
A 50' decrease in the distance between you and a satellite is not going to
make a lot of difference :-). All you need is a clear shot towards the
satellite's equatorial location. All of mine satellites are between 118 and
120 degrees longitude, which means my satellite antennae, mounted on my
roof's facia, are pointed SSW and up about 30 degrees from horizontal --
---MIKE---
to remove snow and ice in the winter. A roof is closer but the
satellite is 23,000 miles up so a few feet doesn't matter. Some people
actually mount the dish on a post in the ground. Mine is on a wall of
the house.
---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580')
Cindy Hamilton
<snipped>
Well, that just tears it. The next time the husband asks for sex on
the sofa,
I'm just gonna have to say no.
Cindy Hamilton
saag
Cindy Hamilton
If you don't have a DTV converter, I suppose I could consider it. I'm
getting
a little old for sex on the sofa. However, sacrifices must
occasionally be
made, and if I've gotta have a backache, I've just got to deal with
it.
Cindy Hamilton