Re: Believe in Jesus - He is real

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 17:10:10 -0400, Brother Love
<BrotherLo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 18 May 2013 10:01:01 -0700 (PDT), satur...@yahoo.com wrote:
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>>Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins.
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>Amen, Brother Saturn. The Gospel can never be stated to often,
>especially in groups like these.

That would be 'too' often, not 'to'.

Idiot.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[rep...@workshop.com]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 20:06:21 -0700, kni...@baawa.com wrote:

>Warlord Steve
>BAAWA

Do you really have to feed the trolls and spammers on this group?

[Stormin Mormon]

Yep, fits the def'n of spam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroup_spam

"What's an irony meter?"
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Learn more about The Real Jesus
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[Syd M.]

On May 18, 5:10 pm, Brother Love <BrotherLove4TheL...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2013 10:01:01 -0700 (PDT), saturn_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins. God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life in paradise after death. I can assure that He is real because of my experience and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.

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> Amen, Brother Saturn. The Gospel can never be stated to often,
> especially in groups like these.
>

> Always remember: Jesus love's you and so do I!
> Yes! Each and every one of you!

Empty assertion.
Prove this 'god' of yours exists, first.

PDW

[Gordon]

Prove that gravitons exist. Prove that Strings Super Strings and
Membranes exist. Why are some qualified scientists willing to invest a
lot of their time and resources in studying things like this but so
unwilling to do similar studies as to the existence of God. Gordon

[Father Haskell]

Superstrings are the Noodly Appendages which hold
the Universe together. Mock at your own peril.

[Gordon]

I'm not mocking Super Strings or any other such theories. I do think
they may have merits and should be studied a lot more. I feel the same
way about the idea that God exists. No objective proof but lots of
intuitive effects and the whole idea that God exists seems to fit in
with the things we know, scientifically.

In the beginning God initiated the Big Bang and thereby created the
Heavens (other dimensions) and the earth (our spacetime)....

Gordon

[Syd M.]

On May 19, 1:24 pm, Gordon <gordo...@swbell.net> wrote:

Because evidence for your 'god' doesn't exist.

PDW

[Syd M.]

On May 19, 4:19 pm, Brother Love <BrotherLove4TheL...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, 19 May 2013 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
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> The proof is all around you, dear Syd, if you would only open your
> eyes and your heart.
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Nope. No evidence exists.

PDW

[Free Lunch]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 13:30:43 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
<pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.talk.creationism:

Remember that ignorance-worshippers like Brother Love invent special,
fraudulent definitions for words like _evidence_. He knows he is lying.
He named himself after a con man in a song.

[Gordon]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 13:30:43 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."

An abundance of evidence supporting the idea that God exists is
available to anyone who volitionally chooses to explore and review
this evidence. But if one chooses to go the other way, God WILL NOT
overwhelm anyone into believing He exists. It is a fully volitional
choice for each and every human that has ever existed or ever will
exist. Gordon

[Free Lunch]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 15:42:17 -0500, Gordon <gord...@swbell.net> wrote
in alt.talk.creationism:

>On Sun, 19 May 2013 13:30:43 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
><pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>On May 19, 4:19 pm, Brother Love <BrotherLove4TheL...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>> On Sun, 19 May 2013 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
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>>> <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >On May 18, 5:10 pm, Brother Love <BrotherLove4TheL...@yahoo.com>
>>> >wrote:
>>> >> On Sat, 18 May 2013 10:01:01 -0700 (PDT), saturn_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> >> >Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins. God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life in paradise after death. I can assure that He is real because of my experience and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.
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>>> >> Amen, Brother Saturn. The Gospel can never be stated to often,
>>> >> especially in groups like these.
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>>> >> Always remember: Jesus love's you and so do I!
>>> >> Yes! Each and every one of you!
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>>> >Empty assertion.
>>> >Prove this 'god' of yours exists, first.
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>>> >PDW
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>>> The proof is all around you, dear Syd, if you would only open your
>>> eyes and your heart.
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>>Nope. No evidence exists.
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>>PDW
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>An abundance of evidence supporting the idea that God exists is
>available to anyone who volitionally chooses to explore and review
>this evidence.

I am completely open to all evidence that supports the claim that a god
exists. No one has ever presented any to me. You certainly know that you
have refused to even try. All you do is claim that it exists and then
run away when asked to direct us to it.

>But if one chooses to go the other way, God WILL NOT
>overwhelm anyone into believing He exists. It is a fully volitional
>choice for each and every human that has ever existed or ever will
>exist. Gordon

You have chosen to lie to us. Does your god really need liars to get the
"word" out? As far as I can tell, you are showing us that your god
cannot possibly exist.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 15:42:17 -0500, Gordon <gord...@swbell.net>

wrote:

>An abundance of evidence supporting the idea that God exists is
>available

So you liars claim but never, ever provide.

> to anyone who volitionally chooses to explore and review
>this evidence.

The only reason they look for it is because they have already decided
there must be some because they have an unjustified certainty that the
object of their god-belief is objectively real.

And because they're desperate for something, they interpret all sorts
of things as "proof" which are anything but.

> But if one chooses to go the other way,

Nothing to choose, liar.

> God

Which begs the very same demand for proof/evidence/etc that you have
once again copped out of providing.

> WILL NOT
>overwhelm anyone into believing He exists. It is a fully volitional
>choice for each and every human that has ever existed or ever will
>exist. Gordon

Liar.

It is a brainwashed belief, and remains just that until you
narcissists and sociopaths demonstrate otherwise - which repeatedly
lying about those with no reason to believe because they aren't
brainwashed, won't do: all that does is confirm you have nothing and
are lying about it.

That's why Gordon is a moron...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTKORcr1jhY#t=01m31s

[Attila Iskander]

"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:ireip85jub3mpvemo...@4ax.com...

What makes you imagine yourself so special that someone needs to present it
to you ?
Aren't you adult enough to educate yourself ?
Apparently not (Which explains a great deal about your type)

[Father Haskell]

On May 19, 2:21 pm, Gordon <gordo...@swbell.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 May 2013 10:32:38 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
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> >On May 19, 1:24 pm, Gordon <gordo...@swbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 19 May 2013 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
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> >> <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 18, 5:10 pm, Brother Love <BrotherLove4TheL...@yahoo.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 18 May 2013 10:01:01 -0700 (PDT), saturn_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> >Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins. God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life in paradise after death. I can assure that He is real because of my experience and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.
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> >> >> Amen, Brother Saturn. The Gospel can never be stated to often,
> >> >> especially in groups like these.
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> >> >> Always remember: Jesus love's you and so do I!
> >> >> Yes! Each and every one of you!
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> >> >Empty assertion.
> >> >Prove this 'god' of yours exists, first.
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> >> >PDW
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> >> Prove that gravitons exist. Prove that Strings Super Strings and
> >> Membranes exist. Why are some qualified scientists willing to invest a
> >> lot of their time and resources in studying things like this but so
> >> unwilling to do similar studies as to the existence of God. Gordon
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> >Superstrings are the Noodly Appendages which hold
> >the Universe together.  Mock at your own peril.
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> I'm not mocking Super Strings or any other such theories.

The FSM is NOT a "theory." It's COMPLETELY
true bullshit.

[Free Lunch]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 17:06:04 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
<Attila....@live.com> wrote in alt.talk.creationism:

I merely noted that there is no supporting evidence for the claim that
any gods exist. If I am mistaken, I am open to correction. As long as
religious liars spew lies and nonsense rather than look for and present
evidence, I have no reason to trust any of them.

>Aren't you adult enough to educate yourself ?
> Apparently not (Which explains a great deal about your type)

I am educated. I see no evidence to support any gods. Do you?

[Wisely Non-Theist]

In article <3scip8h5jm6opkems...@4ax.com>,
Brother Love <BrotherLo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Indeed. It can never be stated too often. Thank you for your
> corroboration, Brother Bawaa.

Even once is too often, at least until such claims can be substantiated,
which they have not yet been!!

[Wisely Non-Theist]

In article <btcip8doeuticfvbo...@4ax.com>,

Brother Love <BrotherLo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The proof is all around you, dear Syd, if you would only open your
> eyes and your heart.

Remarkable then that the world's top scientists, who are also the
world's best judges of what constitutes proof, are so nearly all
non-theist.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <t3eip8tdvt4o987oc...@4ax.com>,

Then you should have absolutely no problem presenting some of it right
here:

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JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <hkgip8lphgpnk3uir...@4ax.com>,

Brother Love <BrotherLo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 May 2013 13:30:43 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
> <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I pity you then, Syd, and I will pray for you. Have you never seen a
> beautiful sunset? Have you never picked flowers for your wife? Have
> you never revealed in the marvel of a new born baby?

You were asked for evidence. So why did you, instead, provide this list
of wonderful things?

[Virgil]

In article <hkgip8lphgpnk3uir...@4ax.com>,
Brother Love <BrotherLo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >Nope. No evidence exists.
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> >PDW
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> Have you never seen a
> beautiful sunset? Have you never picked flowers for your wife? Have
> you never revealed in the marvel of a new born baby?

I have never seen any evidence that what we find beautiful is not
governed by evolution.
--

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <3g2ip8dte40gd4loq...@4ax.com>,

Nobody claims that any of those things are real.

You have been told this multiple times so why do you keep lying about it?

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-D90D4C...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/

[Free Lunch]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 16:37:45 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

It's a silly website by someone who clearly failed his critical
thinking/logic class.

[Gordon]

My question was and still is, why does anyone spend time and resources
studying things like graviton theory SS-M Theory, etc., but refuse to
study things like a cosmic consciousness...God? Gordon

[Tom McDonald]

Funny site. Did you have a point?

[Gordon]

Bible and science congruencies.

Cambrian Life Explosion.

An overwhelming compulsion in the minds of all humans to identify and
align with some form of spiritual intelligence.

And MANY other such leads.

[Mitchell Holman]

Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in

news:c1pip8h5krfuei4ku...@4ax.com:

Remember when Jason was quoting ICR all the time?

Maybe even he has given up on their silliness........





"All things in the universe were created and made
by God in the six literal days of the Creation Week
described in Genesis 1:1-2:3, and confirmed in Exodus
20:8-11. The creation record is factual, historical,
and perspicuous; thus all theories of origins or
development that involve evolution in any form are
false."
http://www.icr.org/tenets/

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <keqip81paq4hvaeuf...@4ax.com>,

Because there's evidence that those things might exist and can be
investigated.

Who's stopping you from starting your own research group and finding the
funding to do your own research into the existence or non-existence of
your god?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-19051...@67-150-123-165.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Oh dear. Yet another A Jason.

You really would stop making yourself looking so foolish all the time if
you would only go to a site before posting the URL.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <hlqip8h4okm00s3n9...@4ax.com>,

Cute list. But, of course, there's no evidence in it.

Care to try again?

[Dakota]

I clicked the Exit button and ended up at a disney.com.

[k...@attt.bizz]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 19:12:23 -0500, Gordon <gord...@swbell.net>

Because the (results of) these "theories" can be scientifically
tested. The "cosmic consciousness of God", whatever that is, cannot.
That you have to ask such a silly question proves that you don't
understand the difference between religion and science any better than
do atheists.

[k...@attt.bizz]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 17:23:32 -0600, Wisely Non-Theist <a...@bbb.ccc>
wrote:

Typical appeal to authority fallacy, along with a lack of evidence of
the claim. Typical.

[nestork]

I think the greatest evidence I've ever come across that God exists, or
at least that miracles happen, is the preponderance of spirituality
amongst nurses working in hospitals. That could be because a lot of the
hospitals in Canada were originally established by religious orders, or
that both religion and nursing share some common principles, such as the
notion of helping other people. However, I think the reason so many
nurses are deeply spiritual people is because they've seen "miracles"
happen in people's lives that can't otherwise be explained.

I think the greatest evidence that God doesn't exist is that if he does,
then his managing this planet and universe in a way which is entirely
indistinguishable from his not existing, or not managing it at all,
seems to be foolish. How would it be if the President of the USA
suddenly decided to do a Howard Hughes and become so reclusive that
people didn't know if he was alive or dead? The result would be a lot
of speculation and confusion that would serve no purpose whatsoever.
People would wonder what the President was doing and why? If God
exists, why is he making such a secret of him/herself?

How do you explain the senseless killings like the shootings in NewTown,
Conneticut or the genocide in Rwanda if there's a loving caring God at
the helm.

Also, the "walking into the light" near death experience that people
that have been clinically dead but come back to life relate has happened
to athiests, agnostics and people of non-Judeo Christian religions, so
it appears that the belief in a Christian God is not a prerequisite to
being accepted into Heaven (if that's what the light is).

One thing is for sure. If there is a God, this game of "Hide & Seek" he
seems to be playing with us warrants an explanation.




--
nestork

[SkyEyes]

On May 19, 5:16 pm, Gordon <gordo...@swbell.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 May 2013 16:26:51 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
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> >In article <t3eip8tdvt4o987oct2685sg3hajdjq...@4ax.com>,

An "explosion" that took +/- 20 million years and resulted in the
first critters with hard body parts that would fossilize.

And you think this proves...what, exactly?

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> An overwhelming compulsion in the minds of all humans to identify and
> align with some form of spiritual intelligence.

No such thing. I'm widely traveled and I grew up with native peoples
and lemme clue you in on something: this notion is bogus. Plenty of
people in the world have *absolutely* no "compulsion" to "align" with
any kind of "spiritual" intelligence. That's just propaganda that
they made up so that they could provide an answer to a ready-made
question.

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*Do* go on. Don't stop now, you're on such a roll.

-
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
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[k...@attt.bizz]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 07:36:17 +0200, nestork
<nestork...@diybanter.com> wrote:

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>I think the greatest evidence I've ever come across that God exists, or
>at least that miracles happen, is the preponderance of spirituality
>amongst nurses working in hospitals. That could be because a lot of the
>hospitals in Canada were originally established by religious orders, or
>that both religion and nursing share some common principles, such as the
>notion of helping other people. However, I think the reason so many
>nurses are deeply spiritual people is because they've seen "miracles"
>happen in people's lives that can't otherwise be explained.

If that does it for you, so be it.

>I think the greatest evidence that God doesn't exist is that if he does,
>then his managing this planet and universe in a way which is entirely
>indistinguishable from his not existing, or not managing it at all,
>seems to be foolish. How would it be if the President of the USA
>suddenly decided to do a Howard Hughes and become so reclusive that
>people didn't know if he was alive or dead? The result would be a lot
>of speculation and confusion that would serve no purpose whatsoever.
>People would wonder what the President was doing and why? If God
>exists, why is he making such a secret of him/herself?

You're pretty arrogant about human knowledge and even intelligence.
Why would you assume that you could tell the difference?

>How do you explain the senseless killings like the shootings in NewTown,
>Conneticut or the genocide in Rwanda if there's a loving caring God at
>the helm.

Free will.

>Also, the "walking into the light" near death experience that people
>that have been clinically dead but come back to life relate has happened
>to athiests, agnostics and people of non-Judeo Christian religions, so
>it appears that the belief in a Christian God is not a prerequisite to
>being accepted into Heaven (if that's what the light is).

Hypoxia.

>One thing is for sure. If there is a God, this game of "Hide & Seek" he
>seems to be playing with us warrants an explanation.

Again, you're pretty arrogant to believe that you're owed an
explanation.

[Attila Iskander]

"Wisely Non-Theist" <a...@bbb.ccc> wrote in message
news:aaa-40D3B9.1...@BIGNEWS.USENETMONSTER.COM...

And naturally you have some list so that we can verify that claim...

[Attila Iskander]

"nestork" <nestork...@diybanter.com> wrote in message
news:nestork...@diybanter.com...

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> I think the greatest evidence I've ever come across that God exists, or
> at least that miracles happen, is the preponderance of spirituality
> amongst nurses working in hospitals. That could be because a lot of the
> hospitals in Canada were originally established by religious orders, or
> that both religion and nursing share some common principles, such as the
> notion of helping other people. However, I think the reason so many
> nurses are deeply spiritual people is because they've seen "miracles"
> happen in people's lives that can't otherwise be explained.
>
> I think the greatest evidence that God doesn't exist is that if he does,
> then his managing this planet and universe in a way which is entirely
> indistinguishable from his not existing, or not managing it at all,
> seems to be foolish. How would it be if the President of the USA
> suddenly decided to do a Howard Hughes and become so reclusive that
> people didn't know if he was alive or dead? The result would be a lot
> of speculation and confusion that would serve no purpose whatsoever.
> People would wonder what the President was doing and why? If God
> exists, why is he making such a secret of him/herself?
>

What makes anyone believe that "God is managing the planet" ?
What makes people imagine that God has a need or even duty to "manage the
planet" ?

The very notion that God is one one side and not the other of some human
disagreement is total nonsense that humans invented to justify their bad
behavior.
"Since God is on my side, what I do is justified..".
is total self-justification that has nothing to do with God


Maybe it's not that God has a need to make of secret of himself
Maybe it's God has not need to show himself, whenever people find it
convenient for him to appear.

> How do you explain the senseless killings like the shootings in NewTown,
> Conneticut or the genocide in Rwanda if there's a loving caring God at
> the helm.
>

Why do you suppose that "God is at the helm" ?
That God has a need to be at the helm

Does this planet need to be micro-managed ?
Or has it being doing pretty good with the simple laws that God put in place
to make it work on it's own ?

It's always intereting that the concept of "God as a micro-manager" is
usually voiced by 2 groups
1) THose who claim there is no God
2) Those who claim to be anointed by God
Frankly when you take a close look at either group they are really just
opposite side of the same coin, who really are all about using God for their
own agendas and ideologies.

> Also, the "walking into the light" near death experience that people
> that have been clinically dead but come back to life relate has happened
> to athiests, agnostics and people of non-Judeo Christian religions, so
> it appears that the belief in a Christian God is not a prerequisite to
> being accepted into Heaven (if that's what the light is).
>
> One thing is for sure. If there is a God, this game of "Hide & Seek" he
> seems to be playing with us warrants an explanation.
>

Maybe there is no 'game of "Hide & Seek" '
Maybe that's just some silliness invented by humans for one reason or
another that God really doesn't give a flying rip about..

[Attila Iskander]

"Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:hlwdjsd2-D90D4C...@news.giganews.com...

Why don't you start with this
"The Science of God" by Gerald Schroeder
It's already been suggested to you
But I'm quite sure that you just stayed as ignorant as the last time,
sitting on your fat ass.

[Attila Iskander]

"Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

news:hlwdjsd2-7C745E...@news.giganews.com...

Really ?

> You have been told this multiple times so why do you keep lying about it?
>

Just because you claim something does NOT make it true
Particularly since YOU have been caught lying in the past.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <knehjk$dqf$1...@dont-email.me>,

Why don't you tell us what evidence is in that book that would make it
worth reading.

[Yap]

On May 19, 5:10 am, Brother Love <BrotherLove4TheL...@yahoo.com>

wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2013 10:01:01 -0700 (PDT), saturn_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins. God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life in paradise after death. I can assure that He is real because of my experience and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.
>
> Amen, Brother Saturn. The Gospel can never be stated to often,
> especially in groups like these.

His nym is satan, not saturn....

[Yap]

On May 20, 1:24 am, Gordon <gordo...@swbell.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 May 2013 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
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> >On May 18, 5:10 pm, Brother Love <BrotherLove4TheL...@yahoo.com>

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> >> On Sat, 18 May 2013 10:01:01 -0700 (PDT), saturn_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins. God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life in paradise after death. I can assure that He is real because of my experience and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.
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> >> Amen, Brother Saturn. The Gospel can never be stated to often,
> >> especially in groups like these.
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> >> Always remember: Jesus love's you and so do I!
> >> Yes! Each and every one of you!
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> >Empty assertion.
> >Prove this 'god' of yours exists, first.
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> >PDW
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> Prove that gravitons exist. Prove that Strings Super Strings and
> Membranes exist. Why are some qualified scientists willing to invest a
> lot of their time and resources in studying things like this but so
> unwilling to do similar studies as to the existence of God.   Gordon

Oh, brainless speaking here....

Assuming that your pixie existed, why did the twin tower collapsed?
It did not care about his believers, especially in a land of loony?

[Yap]

On May 20, 4:19 am, Brother Love <BrotherLove4TheL...@yahoo.com>

wrote:
> On Sun, 19 May 2013 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
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> >On May 18, 5:10 pm, Brother Love <BrotherLove4TheL...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> On Sat, 18 May 2013 10:01:01 -0700 (PDT), saturn_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins. God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life in paradise after death. I can assure that He is real because of my experience and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.
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> >> Amen, Brother Saturn. The Gospel can never be stated to often,
> >> especially in groups like these.
>
> >> Always remember: Jesus love's you and so do I!
> >> Yes! Each and every one of you!
>
> >Empty assertion.
> >Prove this 'god' of yours exists, first.
>
> >PDW
>

> The proof is all around you, dear Syd, if you would only open your
> eyes and your heart.
>

> Always remember: Jesus love's you and so do I!
> Yes! Each and every one of you!

All you want is money from us, nothing else.........

[Yap]

On May 20, 5:51 am, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 May 2013 15:42:17 -0500, Gordon <gordo...@swbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >An abundance of evidence supporting the idea that God exists is

> >available
>
> So you liars claim but never, ever provide.
>
> >                to anyone who volitionally chooses to explore and review
> >this evidence.
>
> The only reason they look for it is because they have already decided
> there must be some because they have an unjustified certainty that the
> object of their god-belief is objectively real.
>
> And because they're desperate for something, they interpret all sorts
> of things as "proof" which are anything but.
>
> >                     But if one chooses to go the other way,
>
> Nothing to choose, liar.
>
> >                                                                                 God
>
> Which begs the very same demand for proof/evidence/etc that you have
> once again copped out of providing.
>
> >                                                                                       WILL NOT
> >overwhelm anyone into believing He exists. It is a fully volitional
> >choice for each and every human that has ever existed or ever will
> >exist.   Gordon
>
> Liar.
>
> It is a brainwashed  belief, and remains just that until you
> narcissists and sociopaths demonstrate otherwise - which repeatedly
> lying about those with no reason to believe because they aren't
> brainwashed, won't do: all that does is confirm you have nothing and
> are lying about it.
>
> That's why Gordon is a moron...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTKORcr1jhY#t=01m31s

Ya, evidence that Gordon is a real moron.

[Yap]

On May 20, 6:06 am, "Attila Iskander" <Attila.Iskan...@live.com>
wrote:
> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>
> news:ireip85jub3mpvemo...@4ax.com...

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 19 May 2013 15:42:17 -0500, Gordon <gordo...@swbell.net> wrote

> > in alt.talk.creationism:

>
> >>On Sun, 19 May 2013 13:30:43 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
> >><pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On May 19, 4:19 pm, Brother Love <BrotherLove4TheL...@yahoo.com>

> >>>wrote:

> >>>> On Sun, 19 May 2013 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
>
> >>>> <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> >On May 18, 5:10 pm, Brother Love <BrotherLove4TheL...@yahoo.com>
> >>>> >wrote:
> >>>> >> On Sat, 18 May 2013 10:01:01 -0700 (PDT), saturn_...@yahoo.com
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >> >Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our
> >>>> >> >sins. God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would
> >>>> >> >have eternal life in paradise after death. I can assure that He is
> >>>> >> >real because of my experience and if you believe in Him, you will
> >>>> >> >feel better.
>
> >>>> >> Amen, Brother Saturn. The Gospel can never be stated to often,
> >>>> >> especially in groups like these.
>
> >>>> >> Always remember: Jesus love's you and so do I!
> >>>> >> Yes! Each and every one of you!
>
> >>>> >Empty assertion.
> >>>> >Prove this 'god' of yours exists, first.
>
> >>>> >PDW
>
> >>>> The proof is all around you, dear Syd, if you would only open your
> >>>> eyes and your heart.
>

> >>>Nope. No evidence exists.
>
> >>>PDW
>

> >>An abundance of evidence supporting the idea that God exists is

> >>available to anyone who volitionally chooses to explore and review
> >>this evidence.
>
> > I am completely open to all evidence that supports the claim that a god
> > exists. No one has ever presented any to me. You certainly know that you
> > have refused to even try. All you do is claim that it exists and then
> > run away when asked to direct us to it.
>
> What makes you imagine yourself so special that someone needs to present it
> to you ?

We are all special enough for you to present, otherwise please fuck
off, sucker.

> Aren't you adult enough to educate yourself ?
>     Apparently not (Which explains a great deal about your type)

[Yap]

On May 20, 7:37 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <hlwdjsd2-D90D4C.16265119052...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <t3eip8tdvt4o987oct2685sg3hajdjq...@4ax.com>,

> > Then you should have absolutely no problem presenting some of it right
> > here:
>

> http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/

It is as good as you said so, too.

[Yap]

On May 20, 8:12 am, Gordon <gordo...@swbell.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 May 2013 16:29:32 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >In article <3g2ip8dte40gd4loq4n5nq1g9qokkse...@4ax.com>,

> > Gordon <gordo...@swbell.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Sun, 19 May 2013 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
> >> <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >On May 18, 5:10 pm, Brother Love <BrotherLove4TheL...@yahoo.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 18 May 2013 10:01:01 -0700 (PDT), saturn_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> >Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins. God
> >> >> >wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life
> >> >> >in paradise after death. I can assure that He is real because of my
> >> >> >experience and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.
>
> >> >> Amen, Brother Saturn. The Gospel can never be stated to often,
> >> >> especially in groups like these.
>
> >> >> Always remember: Jesus love's you and so do I!
> >> >> Yes! Each and every one of you!
>
> >> >Empty assertion.
> >> >Prove this 'god' of yours exists, first.
>
> >> >PDW
>

> >> Prove that gravitons exist. Prove that Strings Super Strings and
> >> Membranes exist. Why are some qualified scientists willing to invest a
> >> lot of their time and resources in studying things like this but so
> >> unwilling to do similar studies as to the existence of God.   Gordon
>

> >Nobody claims that any of those things are real.
>

> >You have been told this multiple times so why do you keep lying about it?
>

> My question was and still is, why does anyone spend time and resources
> studying things like graviton theory SS-M Theory, etc., but refuse to
> study things like a cosmic consciousness...God?   Gordon

You are mixing science and delusion together.
Science is beneficial to human while your religion is toxic.

[%]

amen brother saturn

[%]

it brought thousands of people closer together

[%]

so you're safe then because you have no money

[%]

yes you are

[%]

i can type

[%]

yes it is

[%]

science has caused more deaths

[Stormin Mormon]

"nestork" <nestork...@diybanter.com> wrote in message news:nestork...@diybanter.com...

I think the greatest evidence I've ever come across that God exists, or
at least that miracles happen, is the preponderance of spirituality
amongst nurses working in hospitals. That could be because a lot of the
hospitals in Canada were originally established by religious orders, or
that both religion and nursing share some common principles, such as the
notion of helping other people. However, I think the reason so many
nurses are deeply spiritual people is because they've seen "miracles"
happen in people's lives that can't otherwise be explained.

CY: I like this. I hope it's as true as you write.

I think the greatest evidence that God doesn't exist is that if he does,
then his managing this planet and universe in a way which is entirely
indistinguishable from his not existing, or not managing it at all,
seems to be foolish.

CY: I see God in a lot of moments. So, I guess it's where you look.

How would it be if the President of the USA
suddenly decided to do a Howard Hughes and become so reclusive that
people didn't know if he was alive or dead?

CY: If that happened, then four people would be killed at the embasssy in Benghazi.

The result would be a lot
of speculation and confusion that would serve no purpose whatsoever.
People would wonder what the President was doing and why? If God
exists, why is he making such a secret of him/herself?

CY: I'm in contact with God. And He provides me personal revelation.

How do you explain the senseless killings like the shootings in NewTown,
Conneticut or the genocide in Rwanda if there's a loving caring God at
the helm.

CY: God is still there. But, the schools have this phony concept of "separation of church and state" and God is not welcome in schools.

Also, the "walking into the light" near death experience that people
that have been clinically dead but come back to life relate has happened
to athiests, agnostics and people of non-Judeo Christian religions, so
it appears that the belief in a Christian God is not a prerequisite to
being accepted into Heaven (if that's what the light is).

CY: There may be more steps such as judgement.

One thing is for sure. If there is a God, this game of "Hide & Seek" he
seems to be playing with us warrants an explanation.

CY: Try talking to the Mormon missionaries, and try attending LDS church. You may be surprised.


--
nestork

[Stormin Mormon]

WWJP: Who would Jesus plonk?

Hey, Brother Love. You and your husband are turning down some wonderful teaching moments. These people are so eager to be taught the gospel, and taught to except Christ. Do you always plonk the people you love?
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
.
"Brother Love" <clove...@mesotouri.edu> wrote in message news:v26kp89lsumbuf91m...@4ax.com...

>
>Empty assertion.
>Prove this 'god' of yours exists, first.
>
>PDW

<PLONK>

Always remember:
Jesus love's you and so do I!

Every single one of you!

[Stormin Mormon]

All those crowds of cheering Muslims?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
.

"%" <per...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:YrSdnXHjAd2jfAfM...@giganews.com...

[Stormin Mormon]

I also am concerned that people say the US President is "running the country". He's an elected representative. We (used to) run our own lives. Before EPA, DHS, IRS, and the other TLA.

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
.

"Attila Iskander" <Attila....@live.com> wrote in message news:knehc0$ccl$1...@dont-email.me...

[Attila Iskander]

"Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

news:hlwdjsd2-549840...@news.giganews.com...

Why don't you just demonstrate some intellectual curiosity instead of
demonstrating your have a mind as open as a paranoid clam in a field of
starfish ?

[Attila Iskander]

"Yap" <hhya...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0ae44666-2fdc-4f9b...@z10g2000pbn.googlegroups.com...
#
# You are mixing science and delusion together.
# Science is beneficial to human while your religion is toxic.

That's a common delusion of such as you who only look at one side of the
coin.
Science like religion are just tools that humanity uses to address different
things
Claiming that one is good while the other is not is just delusion
It's quite easy to show examples of where science has been used as an excuse
and a tool do to evil. It is also easy to show where religion has been used
as an excuse and a tool to do good.

But hey, don't let that limit your "thinking"
<snicker>

[harry k]

On May 21, 4:01 am, "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**NOJUN...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> WWJP: Who would Jesus plonk?
>
> Hey, Brother Love. You and your husband are turning down some wonderful teaching moments. These people are so eager to be taught the gospel, and taught to except Christ. Do  you always plonk the people you love?
> .
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
>    www.lds.org
> .
> .
>

> "Brother Love" <clovedoc...@mesotouri.edu> wrote in messagenews:v26kp89lsumbuf91m...@4ax.com...

>
> >Empty assertion.
> >Prove this 'god' of yours exists, first.
>
> >PDW
>
> <PLONK>
>
> Always remember:
> Jesus love's you and so do I!
> Every single one of you!

His "plonks" are empty words. He plonked me yesterday and then almost
instantly responded to another of my posts. It is to laugh at
him...as if we didn't already.

Harry K

[harry k]

On May 21, 8:03 am, "Attila Iskander" <Attila.Iskan...@live.com>
wrote:
> "Jeanne Douglas" <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hlwdjsd2-549840...@news.giganews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <knehjk$dq...@dont-email.me>,
> > "Attila Iskander" <Attila.Iskan...@live.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Jeanne Douglas" <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:hlwdjsd2-D90D4C...@news.giganews.com...
> >> > In article <t3eip8tdvt4o987oct2685sg3hajdjq...@4ax.com>,

I was fed that book as a kid and did read it. When I got old enough
to actually _think_, I found nothing of any intellectual worth in it.

Harry K

[k...@attt.bizz]

I want to see this evidence.

[Stormin Mormon]

Considering his grasp of the American language,
it's not a big surprise that he uses words wrong.

Plonk? Maybe that means he's printing out your
messages and saving them?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
.

"harry k" <tur...@q.com> wrote in message news:1e24417b-a288-4ba1...@li6g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

[Free Lunch]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:56:09 -0700, "%" <per...@gmail.com> wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

I'm sure your mommy is very proud of you.

Let us know when you learn to think.

[Free Lunch]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 20:13:27 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
<Attila....@live.com> wrote in alt.talk.creationism:

>"Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>news:hlwdjsd2-D90D4C...@news.giganews.com...
>> In article <t3eip8tdvt4o987oc...@4ax.com>,

>> Then you should have absolutely no problem presenting some of it right
>> here:
>>
>
>Why don't you start with this
> "The Science of God" by Gerald Schroeder

At least you didn't recommend "Evidence that Demands a Verdict".
Schroeder's book essentially assumes the existence of his god and then
tries to show that the discoveries of science don't show that his
religion cannot be true. It doesn't actually provide any evidence that
any gods exist.

>It's already been suggested to you
>But I'm quite sure that you just stayed as ignorant as the last time,
>sitting on your fat ass.

Try another one please.

[Free Lunch]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 08:15:04 -0700 (PDT), harry k <tur...@q.com> wrote
in alt.talk.creationism:

Of course that book was not written by someone who believed in Jesus
(see title of thread), either.

[Attila Iskander]

"Yap" <hhya...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:5aef47ee-484e-4424...@d8g2000pbe.googlegroups.com...

> Aren't you adult enough to educate yourself ?
> Apparently not (Which explains a great deal about your type)

#

#
# We are all special enough for you to present,

Clearly so "special" that you're not smart enough to do so


# otherwise please fuckoff, sucker.

Why don't you show us how someone as 'special" as you would do it.
Always willing to learn something new from someone as "special" as you..
<snicker>

I'm also forwarding you to a group where "specials" like you abound