Can I get free TV with my own dish?

[mik...@my-deja.com]

Hi,
I know little about satellite dishes. Is it possible (and legal) to
make (or buy) a dish and reciever and get satellite TV without paying
any kind of monthly fees? Can't I just buy a dish and receiver (or
make my own from a kit) and watch satellite TV with no other costs?
Those signals are constantly beaming into my house and yard, and I
didn't ask for them to do so. If signals are beaming into my property
can't I legally view them?

Thanks,
Mike

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Before you buy.

[Xavier Hanin]

You can just watch free to air television, that's all.

[Will]

<mik...@my-deja.com> wrote:

> If signals are beaming into my property
> can't I legally view them?

No. "Property" is not an absolute, it is a concept that has evolved.
You can't use your supposed right to your own property to violate the
rights of others (e.g. copyright owners and their licensees). So your
right to your own home and property has been modified over the years by
legislation and regulations. What you are discussing is now illegal.

Related, but really independent of this: the signals you are talking
about are not normally accessible by the type of equipment readily
available to receive communication signals. In addition to the normal
processing of addio and/or video information for the purposes of
transmission, the information is "encrypted" to prevent normal
receiving equipment from recreating the viewable/listenable
information. "Encryption" itself has achieved a legal protection
through legislation that supersedes your property rights.

Finally, the ability to de-encrypt such signals is frequently only
possible through the use of copyrighted computer code, patented
processes, the unauthorized use of protected trade secrets, etc. Your
employment of such methods (possibly even by reverse engineering,
though this is complicated) to view/hear the information would be
illegal, whether done on your property or not; just like murder does
not become legal simply because you do it in the privacy of your own
home.

So there are three totally independent areas of law you would be
violating.

Now contrary to all this goes centuries of common and written law that
supports (though not unconditionally) your basic premise that anything
dumped uninvited on your property becomes yours to use as you see fit.
The problem is that it would take huge amounts of money to assert and
attempt to achieve recognition of this view's applicability to
satellite TV, through litigation in test cases, and unless you've got a
spare billion or three to commit to the process you're out of luck.

[Xavier Hanin]

[ma...@maybe.com]

Actually the satellite signals are not beamed to your property at all.
You would have a very directional satellite dish that is precisely
aimed at the satelite to retrieve the signal from it.

If it were beaming the signal all around (like an FM radio station)
you would not need such a presice directional antenae to receive it.

On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:37:47 GMT, mik...@my-deja.com wrote:

>Hi,
>I know little about satellite dishes. Is it possible (and legal) to
>make (or buy) a dish and reciever and get satellite TV without paying
>any kind of monthly fees? Can't I just buy a dish and receiver (or
>make my own from a kit) and watch satellite TV with no other costs?
>Those signals are constantly beaming into my house and yard, and I

>didn't ask for them to do so. If signals are beaming into my property

>can't I legally view them?
>

[Steve Smith]

You can't get satellite for free but you can get HiDef TV over the air with
a yagi antenna and a set top box. (Assuming you nearest TV station is
broadcasting in HDTV).

I am waiting on the converter box to see how well it works.

Steve

<mik...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8rd5hb$3jt$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...

[mik...@my-deja.com]

ma...@maybe.com wrote:
> Actually the satellite signals are not beamed to your property at all.
> You would have a very directional satellite dish that is precisely
> aimed at the satelite to retrieve the signal from it.
>
> If it were beaming the signal all around (like an FM radio station)
> you would not need such a presice directional antenae to receive it.

It's still beaming down on my property and even if it's from a pin-
point location. If the source was closer, then it would beam all-
around and I wouldn't need a directional antena. Just because it's
very far away, and beams to me from a pin-point location, doesn't
change the fact that a signal is coming TO me, on my property, without
my approval, desire, or asking.

Ok, I admit I do live in a republic where 'representatives' on 'my
behave' have made property laws 'for' me without my explicit consent.
That's true. So does anyone know of another planet I can move to that
has a government that gives it's citizens true protection, freedom, and
real property rights? The reason I ask is because I don't think any
government on this planet is going to provide these things.

[zeppelin]

Yes.... if you buy or make a C-Band dish, there are some unscrambled
channels, but not many anymore. There are lots of raw feeds also. (I'm not
lawyer, but I'll give it a shot...) Case law has shown that anything that is
broadcast that has not taken any reasonable steps for privacy is fair game.
The exception to that is cell phones. There is now a law specifically
banning cell phone call monitoring. Check it out if you don't believe me,
it is perfectly legal to intercept your nieghbors 49Mhz cordless phone
conversations. It even says so in the fine print when you buy a phone or
baby monitor.

-zepp

<mik...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8rd5hb$3jt$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hi,
> I know little about satellite dishes. Is it possible (and legal) to
> make (or buy) a dish and reciever and get satellite TV without paying
> any kind of monthly fees? Can't I just buy a dish and receiver (or
> make my own from a kit) and watch satellite TV with no other costs?
> Those signals are constantly beaming into my house and yard, and I
> didn't ask for them to do so. If signals are beaming into my property
> can't I legally view them?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>

[Jim Johnson]

yes,if you get a c-band dish [big dish]

[David Kuhajda]

Yes, you can use your own Dish and TRY and build your own
receiver/descrambler to TRY and receive the signal. You would have MUCH
more cost than several years worth of programming.

There are a lot of C-band/KU-band Free to Air signals that can be received
with standard analog c-band receiver and a DVB-MPEG receiver, like the
Pansat 300. Right now with a lot of people dumping the c-band dishes and
equipment as they move to the small dish, you would simply have to find
someone unloading what they have and install it at your site assuming local
codes allow it.

David

mik...@my-deja.com wrote:

[Dan Brown]

Geeze, it sounds like you already found the alternate planet.

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[JohnP]

He could have voted for the other guy!!! 8-)

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> in article 8rdq8p$m5d$1...@nnrp1.deja.com, mik...@my-deja.com at
> mik...@my-deja.com wrote on 4/10/00 9:31 AM:

>
> > Ok, I admit I do live in a republic where 'representatives' on 'my
> > behave' have made property laws 'for' me without my explicit consent.
>

> They in fact HAVE your explicit consent. They were elected.
>
> You're one wacky dude though.
>
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