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kolw...@astromail.com
Apr 4, 2012, 2:12:33 PM4/4/12
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On Apr 3, 1:49 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Muhammad is not the founder of Islam!
>
> A common misconception held by many non-Muslims is that Prophet
> Muhammad (PBUH) is the founder of Islam. Even my Theology Professor
> who has a PhD has uttered this statement during lecture.
>
> This is false.
>
> Many people believe that because Muhammad was born in the year 570,
> Islam was founded in the sixth century. Wrong!
>
> In fact, Islam has been around since the beginning of time. If one
> studies the meaning of the word “Islam,” it is understood that Islam
> comes from the Arabic word slm, which means submission, and it also
> stems from the Arabic word, salam, which means peace. So, as explained
> by Dr. Zakir Niak, Islam means, peace attained by submitting one’s
> will to God.
>
> Therefore, a Muslim, by definition is one who submits his will to God.
>
> Here is a list of some of the men who Muslims believe to be great
> prophets of God: Adam, Noah (Nuh), Abraham (Ibrahim), Ismail
> (Ishmael), Moses (Musa), and Jesus (Esa).
>
> All these men by definition were Muslims because they submitted their
> will to God. Yes, Adam was tempted to eat the apple, but he repented
> and was taught the pilgrimage in order to live an obedient life. Noah
> was inspired by God to build the ark and remind people to repent and
> be forgiven. Therefore, he submitted his will to God. Abraham offered
> to sacrifice his son as a promise to God, and as a result, submitted
> his will as well. Moses freed the Israelites from the Pharaoh, as his
> own act of submission to God. Jesus was sent to preach the Gospel and
> given miracles to do so, and also submitted his will to God.
>
> Despite the differences in the perception of these men by the other
> Abrahamic religions, it is clear that these men were Muslims, and had
> practiced Islam all along. Prophet Muhammad is known as the final
> prophet of Islam and not the founder.
>
> ..
>
> Continue reading on Examiner.com Muhammad is not the founder of Islam!
> - Milwaukee Islamic | Examiner.comhttp://www.examiner.com/islamic-in-milwaukee/muhammad-is-not-the-foun...
Who is the founder of Islam?
Good luck If you get a straight answer. Good question though.
Your professor of theology was brainwashed by the pope who through
hsitory positioned himself as the head of the universal church that
Jesus built. Anything that doesn't fit
in his man made structure was labeled as heresy. For them even the
members
of the Church of Jerusalem were heretics, the Ebionites were heretics,
the Nazenes were heretics
the Jew Christians of the first century also. If so then, they
concluded, Mohammad
too must be a heretic. This is nothing but western arrogance.
The question is: How did the Messiah who was supposed to be a PROPHET
in the likeness
of Moses according to Deuteronomy 18:15 and Peter turned into the SON
OF GOD.
Of course they would NOT give an honest interpretation of the term Son
of God, because
If they do, they would loose their job. So they developped a mariology
to distract people and hide
its correct meaning. Even the brainies and historians follow them in
their search for truth.
> Muhammad is not the founder of Islam!
>
> A common misconception held by many non-Muslims is that Prophet
> Muhammad (PBUH) is the founder of Islam. Even my Theology Professor
> who has a PhD has uttered this statement during lecture.
>
> This is false.
>
> Many people believe that because Muhammad was born in the year 570,
> Islam was founded in the sixth century. Wrong!
>
> In fact, Islam has been around since the beginning of time. If one
> studies the meaning of the word “Islam,” it is understood that Islam
> comes from the Arabic word slm, which means submission, and it also
> stems from the Arabic word, salam, which means peace. So, as explained
> by Dr. Zakir Niak, Islam means, peace attained by submitting one’s
> will to God.
>
> Therefore, a Muslim, by definition is one who submits his will to God.
>
> Here is a list of some of the men who Muslims believe to be great
> prophets of God: Adam, Noah (Nuh), Abraham (Ibrahim), Ismail
> (Ishmael), Moses (Musa), and Jesus (Esa).
>
> All these men by definition were Muslims because they submitted their
> will to God. Yes, Adam was tempted to eat the apple, but he repented
> and was taught the pilgrimage in order to live an obedient life. Noah
> was inspired by God to build the ark and remind people to repent and
> be forgiven. Therefore, he submitted his will to God. Abraham offered
> to sacrifice his son as a promise to God, and as a result, submitted
> his will as well. Moses freed the Israelites from the Pharaoh, as his
> own act of submission to God. Jesus was sent to preach the Gospel and
> given miracles to do so, and also submitted his will to God.
>
> Despite the differences in the perception of these men by the other
> Abrahamic religions, it is clear that these men were Muslims, and had
> practiced Islam all along. Prophet Muhammad is known as the final
> prophet of Islam and not the founder.
>
> ..
>
> Continue reading on Examiner.com Muhammad is not the founder of Islam!
> - Milwaukee Islamic | Examiner.comhttp://www.examiner.com/islamic-in-milwaukee/muhammad-is-not-the-foun...
Who is the founder of Islam?
Good luck If you get a straight answer. Good question though.
Your professor of theology was brainwashed by the pope who through
hsitory positioned himself as the head of the universal church that
Jesus built. Anything that doesn't fit
in his man made structure was labeled as heresy. For them even the
members
of the Church of Jerusalem were heretics, the Ebionites were heretics,
the Nazenes were heretics
the Jew Christians of the first century also. If so then, they
concluded, Mohammad
too must be a heretic. This is nothing but western arrogance.
The question is: How did the Messiah who was supposed to be a PROPHET
in the likeness
of Moses according to Deuteronomy 18:15 and Peter turned into the SON
OF GOD.
Of course they would NOT give an honest interpretation of the term Son
of God, because
If they do, they would loose their job. So they developped a mariology
to distract people and hide
its correct meaning. Even the brainies and historians follow them in
their search for truth.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Apr 4, 2012, 5:56:57 PM4/4/12
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Did Muhammad Exist?:
An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins [Hardcover]
Robert Spencer (Author)
Book Description
Publication Date: April 23, 2012
Are jihadists dying for a fiction? Everything you thought you knew
about Islam is about to change.
Did Muhammad exist?
It is a question that few have thought—or dared—to ask. Virtually
everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, takes for granted that the
prophet of Islam lived and led in seventh-century Arabia.
But this widely accepted story begins to crumble on close examination,
as Robert Spencer shows in his eye-opening new book.
In his blockbuster bestseller The Truth about Muhammad, Spencer
revealed the shocking contents of the earliest Islamic biographical
material about the prophet of Islam. Now, in Did Muhammad Exist?, he
uncovers that material’s surprisingly shaky historical foundations.
Spencer meticulously examines historical records, archaeological
findings, and pioneering new scholarship to reconstruct what we can
know about Muhammad, the Qur’an, and the early days of Islam. The
evidence he presents challenges the most fundamental assumptions about
Islam’s origins.
Did Muhammad Exist? reveals:
How the earliest biographical material about Muhammad dates from at
least 125 years after his reported death
How six decades passed before the Arabian conquerors—or the people
they conquered—even mentioned Muhammad, the Qur’an, or Islam
The startling evidence that the Qur’an was constructed from existing
materials—including pre-Islamic Christian texts
How even Muslim scholars acknowledge that countless reports of
Muhammad’s deeds were fabricated
Why a famous mosque inscription may refer not to Muhammad but,
astonishingly, to Jesus
How the oldest records referring to a man named Muhammad bear little
resemblance to the now-standard Islamic account of the life of the
prophet
The many indications that Arabian leaders fashioned Islam for
political reasons
Far from an anti-Islamic polemic, Did Muhammad Exist? is a sober but
unflinching look at the origins of one of the world’s major religions.
While Judaism and Christianity have been subjected to searching
historical criticism for more than two centuries, Islam has never
received the same treatment on any significant scale.
The real story of Muhammad and early Islam has long remained in the
shadows. Robert Spencer brings it into the light at long last.
http://www.amazon.com/Did-Muhammad-Exist-Inquiry-Obscure/dp/161017061X
An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins [Hardcover]
Robert Spencer (Author)
Book Description
Publication Date: April 23, 2012
Are jihadists dying for a fiction? Everything you thought you knew
about Islam is about to change.
Did Muhammad exist?
It is a question that few have thought—or dared—to ask. Virtually
everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, takes for granted that the
prophet of Islam lived and led in seventh-century Arabia.
But this widely accepted story begins to crumble on close examination,
as Robert Spencer shows in his eye-opening new book.
In his blockbuster bestseller The Truth about Muhammad, Spencer
revealed the shocking contents of the earliest Islamic biographical
material about the prophet of Islam. Now, in Did Muhammad Exist?, he
uncovers that material’s surprisingly shaky historical foundations.
Spencer meticulously examines historical records, archaeological
findings, and pioneering new scholarship to reconstruct what we can
know about Muhammad, the Qur’an, and the early days of Islam. The
evidence he presents challenges the most fundamental assumptions about
Islam’s origins.
Did Muhammad Exist? reveals:
How the earliest biographical material about Muhammad dates from at
least 125 years after his reported death
How six decades passed before the Arabian conquerors—or the people
they conquered—even mentioned Muhammad, the Qur’an, or Islam
The startling evidence that the Qur’an was constructed from existing
materials—including pre-Islamic Christian texts
How even Muslim scholars acknowledge that countless reports of
Muhammad’s deeds were fabricated
Why a famous mosque inscription may refer not to Muhammad but,
astonishingly, to Jesus
How the oldest records referring to a man named Muhammad bear little
resemblance to the now-standard Islamic account of the life of the
prophet
The many indications that Arabian leaders fashioned Islam for
political reasons
Far from an anti-Islamic polemic, Did Muhammad Exist? is a sober but
unflinching look at the origins of one of the world’s major religions.
While Judaism and Christianity have been subjected to searching
historical criticism for more than two centuries, Islam has never
received the same treatment on any significant scale.
The real story of Muhammad and early Islam has long remained in the
shadows. Robert Spencer brings it into the light at long last.
http://www.amazon.com/Did-Muhammad-Exist-Inquiry-Obscure/dp/161017061X
trueman
Apr 5, 2012, 7:21:40 AM4/5/12
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FACE
Apr 5, 2012, 5:28:54 PM4/5/12
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On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:56:57 -0700 (PDT), in alt.religion.islam,
"jwshe...@satx.rr.com" <jwshe...@satx.rr.com>, wrote
I wondered when Spencer was going to get around to publishing that book.
He has been talking about it for some time and originally said the summer
of 2011 would be the publication..........
"jwshe...@satx.rr.com" <jwshe...@satx.rr.com>, wrote
He has been talking about it for some time and originally said the summer
of 2011 would be the publication..........
kolw...@astromail.com
Apr 6, 2012, 12:02:05 PM4/6/12
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On Apr 4, 5:56 pm, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com" <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com>
wrote:
prophet.
The real question should have been: Is Mohammad a birth name
or a REGNAL name?
Of course there was at dawn of Islam someone who took a regnal of
Mohammad
and confronted the theological monopoly of the roman power over Jesus.
To deny that that person never existed is nothing but a demonstration
of a reading comprehension problem of the Qur'an, because according
to the Torah that the Qur'an is meant to defend against Paul, the
Roman,
there will be two Messiahs, the PRIESTLY ONE AND THE KINGLY WARLORD.
This is what is meant by Messiah is a prophet like Moses Deut 18:15
If Mohammad = Messiah and Jesus according to some Hadiths and the
Qur'an, Jesus
is that Messiah, then the name Mohammad is applied to two people Jesus
and Arabian Ruler.
TROMPE L'OEIL by design. This is beyond what evolution can comprehend
wrote:
> Did Muhammad Exist?:
> An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins [Hardcover]
> Robert Spencer (Author)
>
> Book Description
> Publication Date: April 23, 2012
> Are jihadists dying for a fiction? Everything you thought you knew
> about Islam is about to change.
>
> Did Muhammad exist?
That is intellectual laziness to question the historicity of the
> An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins [Hardcover]
> Robert Spencer (Author)
>
> Book Description
> Publication Date: April 23, 2012
> Are jihadists dying for a fiction? Everything you thought you knew
> about Islam is about to change.
>
> Did Muhammad exist?
prophet.
The real question should have been: Is Mohammad a birth name
or a REGNAL name?
Of course there was at dawn of Islam someone who took a regnal of
Mohammad
and confronted the theological monopoly of the roman power over Jesus.
To deny that that person never existed is nothing but a demonstration
of a reading comprehension problem of the Qur'an, because according
to the Torah that the Qur'an is meant to defend against Paul, the
Roman,
there will be two Messiahs, the PRIESTLY ONE AND THE KINGLY WARLORD.
This is what is meant by Messiah is a prophet like Moses Deut 18:15
If Mohammad = Messiah and Jesus according to some Hadiths and the
Qur'an, Jesus
is that Messiah, then the name Mohammad is applied to two people Jesus
and Arabian Ruler.
TROMPE L'OEIL by design. This is beyond what evolution can comprehend
kolw...@astromail.com
Apr 6, 2012, 12:05:59 PM4/6/12
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Mohammad
is the Messenger of God
has been the same from day one until now
PROVE OTHERWISE
kolw...@astromail.com
Apr 6, 2012, 12:15:14 PM4/6/12
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of Christianity into two Blocs -Circumcised, Islamic- and
Uncircumcised
Catholico Trinitarians.
By saying that Islam incorporated a Christian materials, Spencer must
be thinking
that the Jerusalem Church was trinitarian and pro-Romans which they
were NOT.
THIS IS NOTHING BUT WESTERN SCHOLARS ARROGANCE.
Paul from the beginning splitted Christianity into two groups. Read
Galates.
What happened in Mecca was a rise NOT of a new religion but a SUPER-
POWER
to counter the Roman power arrogance.
kolw...@astromail.com
Apr 6, 2012, 2:01:25 PM4/6/12
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On Apr 4, 5:56 pm, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com" <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com>
wrote:
> Did Muhammad Exist?:
What would you expect from a Jew whose nation has
wrote:
> Did Muhammad Exist?:
previously rejected Jesus as the Messiah, the Sole Ruler Of Mankind
while
praising Caesar?
"We have a Law and according to that Law Jesus must die
because he claims to be the Messiah...."
"We have no other king than Ceasar..." said his ancestor
> An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins [Hardcover]
> Robert Spencer (Author)
> Book Description
> Publication Date: April 23, 2012
> Are jihadists dying for a fiction? Everything you thought you knew
> about Islam is about to change.
>
> Did Muhammad exist?
Why a famous mosque inscription may refer not to Muhammad but,
astonishingly, to Jesus
We already know why. Karl-Heinz Ohlig already explained it in the
astonishingly, to Jesus
context
of religious politics. MOHAMMAD IS A REGNAL name and simply stands
for Messiah. That a ruler is in the likess of the Messiah is what is
implied
Religion can't be separated from God.
As the popes take name of the Apostles when taking power, so did Abu
Quasim
who thought, according to the theology in vogue with Jews Christians
at that time
that the Messiah was the last Messenger or Apostle of God.
Mohammad did NOT ruse with the faithfuls as do the popes.
May God strike Spencer
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John Baker
Apr 6, 2012, 3:47:08 PM4/6/12
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 11:01:25 -0700 (PDT), kolw...@astromail.com wrote:
>On Apr 4, 5:56 pm, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com" <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com>
>wrote:
>> Did Muhammad Exist?:
>
>What would you expect from a Jew whose nation has
>previously rejected Jesus as the Messiah, the Sole Ruler Of Mankind
>while
>praising Caesar?
Better than I expect from you.
>On Apr 4, 5:56 pm, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com" <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com>
>wrote:
>> Did Muhammad Exist?:
>
>What would you expect from a Jew whose nation has
>previously rejected Jesus as the Messiah, the Sole Ruler Of Mankind
>while
>praising Caesar?
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