Life after Obama -
jerry warner
Will the Limbites and Palinites and McCainites form a
recessionist collation ? (I always hoped Cape Gerardo
would pull out of the Union!)
Straha
Probably not. Odds are Obama will have an inept term then be succeeded
by a one termer republican.
Dan Goodman
I consider that unlikely.
My prediction: Obama will have two reasonably competent terms, and be
succeeded by another Democrat.
There will be much talk of a permanent Democratic majority.
Republicans will tailor their campaign platforms to appeal to centrist
Democrats -- who will be considered rather farther left than the center
is now considered to be.
And then, once again, "Republicans will never be in control again" will
join "This market will never go down" and "Transistors will never
replace vacuum tubes."
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jerry warner
Dan Goodman wrote:
> Straha wrote:
>
> > On Oct 21, 12:16 am, jerry warner <jwar...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> > > I mean the minute he is elected, then what?
> > >
> > > Will the Limbites and Palinites and McCainites form a
> > > recessionist collation ? (I always hoped Cape Gerardo
> > > would pull out of the Union!)
> >
> > Probably not. Odds are Obama will have an inept term then be succeeded
> > by a one termer republican.
>
> I consider that unlikely.
>
> My prediction: Obama will have two reasonably competent terms, and be
> succeeded by another Democrat.
>
> There will be much talk of a permanent Democratic majority.
> Republicans will tailor their campaign platforms to appeal to centrist
> Democrats -- who will be considered rather farther left than the center
> is now considered to be.
>
> And then, once again, "Republicans will never be in control again" will
> join "This market will never go down" and "Transistors will never
> replace vacuum tubes."
>
so you're saying hammers will be replaced by nail guns?
eatfastnoodle
won't matter much. Given the problems the nation face and the deep
deep anger toward the GOP and its policies, beside the white house,
Democrat might also win enough seat to form filibuster-proof majority,
then, it's really up to Obama to keep his party united so they could
implement whatever agenda they have. Republicans will whine and growl,
but what else can they do?
eatfastnoodle
A lot will depend how decisive the national mood shifts. After 04, for
a while, there was talks about how the Democrats should change to
appeal more to mega-church goers, only 2 years later, Democrats took
back the congress. If this election turned out to be like the one that
FDR won or the one that gave us Reagan, we may see a fundamental shift
to the left in national politics that like it or not, GOP would have
to follow to stay relevant.
Dan Goodman
>
>
> Dan Goodman wrote:
>
> > Straha wrote:
> >
> > > On Oct 21, 12:16 am, jerry warner <jwar...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> > > > I mean the minute he is elected, then what?
> > > >
> > > > Will the Limbites and Palinites and McCainites form a
> > > > recessionist collation ? (I always hoped Cape Gerardo
> > > > would pull out of the Union!)
> > >
> > > Probably not. Odds are Obama will have an inept term then be
> > > succeeded by a one termer republican.
> >
> > I consider that unlikely.
> >
> > My prediction: Obama will have two reasonably competent terms, and
> > be succeeded by another Democrat.
> >
> > There will be much talk of a permanent Democratic majority.
> > Republicans will tailor their campaign platforms to appeal to
> > centrist Democrats -- who will be considered rather farther left
> > than the center is now considered to be.
> >
> > And then, once again, "Republicans will never be in control again"
> > will join "This market will never go down" and "Transistors will
> > never replace vacuum tubes."
>
> so you're saying hammers will be replaced by nail guns?
Were they ever touted as being about to replace hammers in the near
future?
If so -- that's in another category of predictions which have failed
again and again. Along with "air cars will completely replace
groundcars within ten years," and videophones are about to completely
replace voice-only phones."
Dan Goodman
Provide intelligent opposition, listen to voters rather than telling
voters what to think....
Dan Goodman
> On Oct 21, 1:02 pm, "Dan Goodman" <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> > Straha wrote:
> > > On Oct 21, 12:16 am, jerry warner <jwar...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> > > > I mean the minute he is elected, then what?
> >
> > > > Will the Limbites and Palinites and McCainites form a
> > > > recessionist collation ? (I always hoped Cape Gerardo
> > > > would pull out of the Union!)
> >
> > > Probably not. Odds are Obama will have an inept term then be
> > > succeeded by a one termer republican.
> >
> > I consider that unlikely.
> >
> > My prediction: Obama will have two reasonably competent terms, and
> > be succeeded by another Democrat.
> >
> > There will be much talk of a permanent Democratic majority.
> > Republicans will tailor their campaign platforms to appeal to
> > centrist Democrats -- who will be considered rather farther left
> > than the center is now considered to be.
> >
> > And then, once again, "Republicans will never be in control again"
> > will join "This market will never go down" and "Transistors will
> > never replace vacuum tubes."
> >
> A lot will depend how decisive the national mood shifts. After 04, for
> a while, there was talks about how the Democrats should change to
> appeal more to mega-church goers, only 2 years later, Democrats took
> back the congress. If this election turned out to be like the one that
> FDR won or the one that gave us Reagan, we may see a fundamental shift
> to the left in national politics that like it or not, GOP would have
> to follow to stay relevant.
One big difference between FDR's first election and Reagan's -- FDR
changed drastically from the policies he campaigned on. The New Deal
policies weren't what he originally said he was going to do, and
weren't what he thought he would do. Reagan, on the other hand, acted
much more the way he'd promised.
That aside: I think there's already been a lot of change, and the
politicians (candidates, campaign runners, lobbyists, etc.) are trying
to catch up as they notice the changes.
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Dan Goodman
"I have always depended on the kindness of stranglers."
Tennessee Williams, A Streetcar Named Expire
jerry warner
eatfastnoodle wrote:
These are very salient points, in my opinion. By now there are several
generations withan entirely different value
system than that of the WII and post 30's Depression
generations. To me, these (new) people seem totally disconnected from reality.
Their reality is urban (suburban)
and now they are in true difficulty. Broke, few options,
educationally sub-standard ....... what are they to do?
Obama will have to face this problem squarely and somehow deal with these
people. I am not sure he (or
anyone) can. The post-Reagan Revolution generation is
the credit card generation, for real. In the past people
paid off their loans and had an economy (the means) to
do so. Not the current generation.
I am a disciple of the Galbraith and Thoreau era. Each predicted it would be
approx 30 years to a meltdown if
Trickle Down Voodooism were followed. It has eben as if the whole nation was
on drugs (or something) since 1980!
One helluva a wakeup call awaits and I honestly dont see
other nations being tolerant or willing to gamble any longer.
These are just a few of the issue Obama will inherit. He
probably knows this. I wonder why he even wants to be President!
Thanks,
Jerry
jerry warner
Dan Goodman wrote:
Correct. FDR was dragged almost kicking and screaming
into the realisation of what was about to happen. His
advisors brought him forward, some with fist pounding on his desk literally.
His secretary of Agriculture was primary among the people who insisted (very
forcefully) FDR had
to wake up. It brought him around -
Regan had no such advisors. In fact they were as much deceivers as Reagan
was stupid and a horses' ass. Reagan
economic advisor Stockman openly said afterwards, it
was all a hoax.
jerry warner
eatfastnoodle wrote:
Obama and a Democratic majority have to be elected first and Im not
convinced that will happen.
eatfastnoodle
If he could not find a solution, I personally very much doubt he or
anybody could, Democrat will be voted out of office, on the other
hand, continuing piling up debt by enacting massive tax cut is a dead
end. They can be dragged kicking and screaming into more government in
the economy or they can continue their periodic military adventure to
prop up the dollar and America's global finance, at the end of the
day, the whole thing will collapse like a deck of cards. The solution
is simple: drastic cut in spending and higher taxes, higher savings,
not just for the federal government, for state, local government and
each and every individual as well, the economy needs to return to a
new equilibrium, more supply-side economics simply won't cut it. Sure,
generation-Y won't willingly accept it, but reality will teach even
the most stubborn brats to behave given enough time.