US conservatism a century from now
Dan Goodman
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Erol K. Bayburt
>What will the "eternal" principles of conservatism be in 2108?
An Ashcroftian level of support for the 1st, 4th, and 5th Ammendments.
Conservatives of 2108 will quote John Ashcroft and Robert Bork in
support of freedom of speech, freedom from arbitrary searches, freedom
from compelled self-incrimination, etc. (within proper limits, of
course, they're not loony liberaterians) against a mainstream view
that such "rights" are archaic and dangerous, have no place in
civilized modern society, and ought to be intrepreted out of the
Constitution.
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Brian M. Scott
<Ero...@comcast.net> wrote in
<news:ckv6g4ttl3td0arfa...@4ax.com> in
rec.arts.sf.misc,alt.history.future:
> On 24 Oct 2008 23:10:56 GMT, "Dan Goodman"
> <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>>What will the "eternal" principles of conservatism be in 2108?
> An Ashcroftian level of support for the 1st, 4th, and 5th
> Ammendments.
Which is to say practically none.
> Conservatives of 2108 will quote John Ashcroft and Robert
> Bork in support of freedom of speech, freedom from
> arbitrary searches, freedom from compelled
> self-incrimination, etc. (within proper limits, of
> course, they're not loony liberaterians) against a
> mainstream view that such "rights" are archaic and
> dangerous, have no place in civilized modern society, and
> ought to be intrepreted out of the Constitution.
Can't say that I'd care to read a story set in such a
milieu, unless perhaps it were about the extra-planetary
escape of some sane but persecuted minority.
Brian
David Friedman
"Dan Goodman" <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> What will the "eternal" principles of conservatism be in 2108?
Sustainability. The Precautionary Principle.
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Bill Swears
> In article <49025600$0$60064$8046...@auth.newsreader.iphouse.com>,
> "Dan Goodman" <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>
>> What will the "eternal" principles of conservatism be in 2108?
>
> Sustainability. The Precautionary Principle.
>
or,
accepting the need for a disenfranchised population - that humanity
simply must have classes of haves and have-nots.
bill
David Friedman
Bill Swears <wsw...@mtaonline.net> wrote:
An odd way of putting it. "Disenfranchised" means that people can't
vote. Is it your assumption that the ability to vote is the essential
difference between haves and have nots--that a resident alien
multi-millionaire is a have-not, an impoverished native resident of the
inner city a have?
Bill Swears
>>
>> accepting the need for a disenfranchised population - that humanity
>> simply must have classes of haves and have-nots.
>
> An odd way of putting it. "Disenfranchised" means that people can't
> vote. Is it your assumption that the ability to vote is the essential
> difference between haves and have nots--that a resident alien
> multi-millionaire is a have-not, an impoverished native resident of the
> inner city a have?
>
Voting would be probably the primary one, but in this case, the loss
of the ability to receive fair representation in a culture with limited
resources would eventually put entire communities under the thumb. A
nation of haves and have nots, and some of the have nots would likely
control a great deal of wealth - because there is always an underground
economy.
Bill