Good Irish History Website?
Mark Nyhan
British rule there. Thanks.
Mark
Renia
> In article <p1di3t8fggajl49p2...@4ax.com>, Mark says...
> >
> > Does anyone know a good Irish history website covering the period of
> >British rule there. Thanks.
> > Mark
>
> They are still there and Catholics are still being bombed and murdered because
> of their religion. We are treated like a disease. We are lesser men and are
> without value. What else do you need to know? Persecuting us is the only
> respectable bigotry left.
>
> Staub von Träumen
The British rule only in Northern Ireland, as you know. Part of the problem is
that the Protestant majority in Northern Ireland want to remain under the United
Kingdom, while the Catholic minority does not. This is partly because that
Protestant majority is predominantly of Calvinist Scots extraction. I suppose that
if Scotland becomes an Independent state, Northern Ireland will want to joint up
with them instead of with Westminster.
As to the bombings and murders, aren't you a little out of date?
Incidentally, that's a wonderful Irish name you've got! (I suppose, like me, you
have Irish Catholic ancestry, but a non-Irish father.)
Renia
Mark Nyhan
As far as I know a large portion of the Unionist majority in the
north are of Scottish descent through plantations in the 1600's mostly
but it is to the British monarchy and all things British that they are
loyal to. If Scotland became independant then it would weaken the
cause for Northern Ireland to stay in a Union but they would still
cling to it. An open secret that England has wanted to let go of the
province for a few decades now but must do so in a controlled manner
over maybe 30 years or so. Apart from this the Nationalist minority
will simply overtake the Unionist in voting numbers demographically
due to higher birth rates in another generation. But who knows at that
stage the EU superstate may have wiped an importance attached to this
issue to be irrelevant at that stage, IMHO anyway.
Mark.
Ian Chapman
Staub von Träumen <Staub_...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:91fcs...@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article <oadl3tgf675ondj9s...@4ax.com>, Mark says...
>
> >
> > As far as I know a large portion of the Unionist majority in the
> >north are of Scottish descent through plantations in the 1600's mostly
> >but it is to the British monarchy and all things British that they are
> >loyal to. If Scotland became independant then it would weaken the
> >cause for Northern Ireland to stay in a Union but they would still
> >cling to it.
>
place
> for a while and a variety of Protestants from various places were put in
place
> as well. Their loyalty to the British crown is conditional. A Catholic
monarch
> is no good to them.
>
> Ulster Unionism has at it's core a bitter hatred of Catholics. The
periodic
> pogroms are proof of that. Catholics were treated like a disease
infecting a
> Protestant purgatory.
>
> The 'Scots' (as in the first of that name) were of course from Ireland.
The
> title 'Queen of Scots' is not accidental, it preceded the notion of
'Scotland'.
> They were rulers of people rather than arbitrary geography. It was enough
to be
> buried (on Iona) as a 'King of Scots' the reigning title might have been
> something else.
>
So there it is, the manipulating hand of lies shows itself.
You obviously have a deeply laid ulterior motive to deny the essentially
Scottish (as in Scotland, not the Roman-era Hibernian Scotti)ancestral
identity of the Ulster Protestants, particularly outside urban Belfast. You
know, I think, that the mass Plantations were from Scotland in the 1600s,
with some English skilled workers, such as the Derry apprentices.
The Angles were from Denmark, the province of Angeln, which still exists,
but the present day English are not Danes, or even of majority Danish
descent.
And why should an advanced, industrial Protestant people have accepted, or
accept, being put back centuries into a ruralised, peasantised
priest-ridden quasi-medievalist Eire?
Of course you miss out of your many calculations the massive Irish presence
in Britain, coming here in thousands for better medical, educational,
employment and even sexual opportunities than at home, even into the 1980s.
Irish community organisations claim it's 4million.
Hi-de-hi,
Ian.
Ian Chapman
Renia <PSim...@cwcom.net> wrote in message
news:3A3A6CB6...@cwcom.net...
It's not a personal name, Renia.
It means something: *the cleanser of dreams*. Quite an interesting name. But
remember Lawrence of Arabia's quoted comment about dreamers. And Lawrence is
up in the National Gallery of Ireland, because his father, not called
Lawrence, was Anglo-Irish, from Meath, I think.
Regards,
Ian.
Renia
I did wonder. I recognised Traumen as dreams. I don't know the quote, but the
translation must something along the lines of Dust From Dreams, or as you
suggest, the "cleanser of dreams".
Renia
Renia
> In article <3A3C092A...@cwcom.net>, Renia says...
>
> >
> >I did wonder. I recognised Traumen as dreams. I don't know the quote, but the
> >translation must something along the lines of Dust From Dreams, or as you
> >suggest, the "cleanser of dreams".
> >
> >Renia
> >
> >
>
> La Poussière des Rêves is about the heroin drug culture that was once common
> amongst rich people and social rejectionists. It elevates the use of heroin to
> an art form. It is a song. The dust of dreams. It was written initially to
> provide a sound track for a Japanese film director in 1975. The person who
> wrote it was influenced by Lou Reed and the 13th Floor Elevators. He made about
> 70 records. He has posted to this news group.
>
> Staub von Träumen
Or, as you say in your next post, under your other aliasis:
> It is a musical reference to a sound track I wrote a long time ago.
>
> La Poussière des Rêves
>
One cannot help but wonder whether you still see the use of heroin as "an art
form".
Renia
Kareem
Rabid Bee
> The first settler Scots were Catholic, everybody knows that and they were there
> first. I am not talking about Scotti either.
Possibly you're using the term "settler" anachronistically, and this has
caused confusion? Are you in fact referring to the close kinship of the
Gaelic Irish and Scots? The GAelic Scots and Irish crossed back and
forth across the small band of sea regularly, because the clan network
extended over the water (Macdonnells of Ireland were the same clan as
the MacDonalds of Scotland). However, I wouldn't say that this was
really settlement, because it didn't really involve a process of
plantation or colonisation, unlike the emigration of the Lowland Scots
and English into Ulster.
Cheers, Alex