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 More options Oct 6 2001, 10:16 pm
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From: Alan Smaill <sma...@dai.ed.ac.uk>
Date: 07 Oct 2001 03:15:41 +0100
Local: Sat, Oct 6 2001 10:15 pm
Subject: Re: When you face fascists, weasel words won't do

I do read the Guardian, and often Libération.

OK too ??

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From: hmhawk...@yahoo.co.uk (So this is Christmas?)
Date: 7 Oct 2001 09:34:50 -0700
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2001 12:34 pm
Subject: Re: There have been 250 REAL bombings of Irish Catholics *this* year. (was) Re: When you face fascists, weasel words won't do

Stu <skinn...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote in message <news:hlhtrt0v0ujsvfr0dehu2tc9lckojv6lji@4ax.com>...
> On 5 Oct 2001 13:05:22 -0700, Hmhawk...@yahoo.co.uk (So this is
> Christmas?) wrote:

> >their atrocities, Northern Irish catholics ARE subject to night race
> >hate attacks.

> They are not a different race - so why bring race into it.

> AND we are all agree that both sides are as bad as each other - so
> what is the fecking point in your mindless little post?

> Stu

.....They are not a different race - so why bring race into it.....

Tell that to the British Army, RUC, UDA, UVF, LVF, Red hand commandoes
who are carrying out these attacks. The reason why race was brought
into it was to support the argument that these race hate attacks ARE
happening. Please read the posts before posturing.

.....AND we are all agree that both sides are as bad as each
other.....

Where did you get THIS piece of intellegentsia from?

.....what is the fecking point in your mindless little post......

So that mindless little posters like you might be better educated as
to what goes on here. Go stew....stu.


 
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 More options Oct 7 2001, 12:52 pm
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From: Stu <skinn...@nospam.ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 17:51:19 +0100
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2001 12:51 pm
Subject: Re: There have been 250 REAL bombings of Irish Catholics *this* year. (was) Re: When you face fascists, weasel words won't do
On 7 Oct 2001 09:34:50 -0700, hmhawk...@yahoo.co.uk (So this is

Christmas?) wrote:

>.....They are not a different race - so why bring race into it.....

>Tell that to the British Army, RUC, UDA, UVF, LVF, Red hand commandoes
>who are carrying out these attacks.

The British Army and the RUC are attacking who?

>The reason why race was brought
>into it was to support the argument that these race hate attacks ARE
>happening. Please read the posts before posturing.

These attacks are based on religion not RACE.

>.....AND we are all agree that both sides are as bad as each
>other.....

>Where did you get THIS piece of intellegentsia from?

Having lived in Britain all my life (34yrs so far) you do not need to
be Einstein to work out that they are as bad as each other - or are
the IRA just protecting the poor downtrodden catholics when they set
off bombs on the Mainland.

>.....what is the fecking point in your mindless little post......

>So that mindless little posters like you might be better educated as
>to what goes on here. Go stew....stu.

No the point is pathetic little bigots like you get to spew out their
hatred.  Your so thick you think Catholics and Protestants are a
different race, who needs the educating.

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Discussion subject changed to "These attacks are based on religion not RACE. (was) Re: There have been 250 REAL bombings of Irish Catholics *this* year. (was) Re: When you face fascists, weasel words won't do" by gregory.humanitas@ntlworl d.com
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 More options Oct 7 2001, 1:40 pm
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From: "gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com" <gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 18:41:28 +0100
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2001 1:41 pm
Subject: These attacks are based on religion not RACE. (was) Re: There have been 250 REAL bombings of Irish Catholics *this* year. (was) Re: When you face fascists, weasel words won't do

The Serbo-Croat scenario is rather similar. They are the same ethnic
grouping but were having an inter-ethnic war. That is racism as well
even though it is the same race. The UDA in ULster are a race hate
organization (they are proper Nazis) and they subscribe to routine
neo-Nazi orthodoxy. They hate Blacks, Jews and Catholics. They dislike
the Chinese.

Burning Catholics children alive is no big deal, in their eyes the
children are not real human beings. How did you think that the extremist
Protestants in Ulster could do such things?  They are not 'real'
sociopaths, it is sociopathic mimicry.  They have no conscience because
they don't think the Catholic children are worth more than lice.

"Meanwhile, Catholic girls as young as four attending Holy Cross school
in the Ardoyne area continue to be intimidated by a loyalist gauntlet of
hate twice a day. As the daily standoff at Holy Cross Primary School
entered its second month, parish priest Fr Aidan Troy urged political
leaders to step up their efforts to end the situation and warned of
lasting damage to the children.  After pipe bomb attacks during early
violent clashes, loyalist have hurled a range of missiles at the
children and their parents, including fireworks, bricks and dog
excrement. This morning, the loyalists sound a barrage of abuse,
whistles and foghorns as the parents passed, while the children have
taken to singing songs to drown out the
abuse."

RM Distribution 10/12/01

The UDA adopted a pseudo-Ulster race theory to coincide with the
neo-Nazi ideology they were inclined to pursue. However internal racism
and ethnicity which might be factored in by religion are two key
components in xenophobia or similar hatreds.  The only external
political allies the UDA have are other neo-Nazis and racist allies,
such as the old apartheid South African government who helped arm them.

A Lord Mayor (Ulster Unionist Party) of Belfast was once in the New
Ulster Political Research Group (the research wing of the UDA). He then
published his lunatic race ideas in the UDA's magazine "Ulster", under
the alias "Sam Sloan". They went like this:

"You are the children of the Cruithin, the sons and daughters of the
picts. This is OUR land, YOUR culture, YOUR heritage - You are indeed
the people" (his capitals).

Death Squad murals in Belfast reflect that same (bogus) racial theory.
The UDA are very like the Aryan Brotherhood, the latter hate many other
legitimate Indo-Aryan types, as did the Nazis themselves of course.
When one is dealing with degenerate Ulster bigots it doesn't have to
make any more scientific sense than the original Nazis made.  They are
disgusting monsters, if they were decent people they would not be in the
UDA.

They are depraved bigots precisely like the Nazis they admire so much
were also degenerated bigots, and the UDA make their bogus race ideology
up as they go along.  The Nazis did the exact same thing, bogus race
ideologies are fairly standard fare for that sort of disgusting and
violent political hate culture.

Fascist and neo-Nazi politics blend and flourish with the Ulster
landscape because the supremacists tend to have a great deal of sympathy
with other like minded bigots. Apartheid South Africa, Rhodesia,
Northern Cyprus and even Israel (of all places) and so on and so forth.
There are numerous external neo-Nazi connections to the UDA death
squads. C-18 also helped supply them with weapons, as did the British.

> No the point is pathetic little bigots like you get to spew out their
> hatred.  Your so thick you think Catholics and Protestants are a
> different race, who needs the educating.

> Stu

Actually that is an Ulster ideology, I don't think the *real* British
people buy into that neo-Nazi drivel, just the fruitcake Unionists and
the UDA death squads in Ulster and their external Nazi allies.  Sane
minded people don't agree with it. It is the white trash in Ulster who
have signed up for it. That is the entire problem.

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 More options Oct 7 2001, 2:01 pm
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From: Stu <skinn...@nospam.ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 18:59:44 +0100
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2001 1:59 pm
Subject: Re: These attacks are based on religion not RACE. (was) Re: There have been 250 REAL bombings of Irish Catholics *this* year. (was) Re: When you face fascists, weasel words won't do
On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 18:41:28 +0100, "gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com"

<gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>The Serbo-Croat scenario is rather similar. They are the same ethnic
>grouping but were having an inter-ethnic war. That is racism as well
>even though it is the same race. The UDA in ULster are a race hate
>organization (they are proper Nazis) and they subscribe to routine
>neo-Nazi orthodoxy. They hate Blacks, Jews and Catholics. They dislike
>the Chinese.

No the ETHNIC scenario was based around their hatred for Muslims -
they falsely argued that the majority of Muslems were blood desendants
of the Turks.  This was not the case an minority of them had Turkish
blood.

>>They are depraved bigots precisely like the Nazis they admire so much
>were also degenerated bigots, and the UDA make their bogus race ideology
>up as they go along.  The Nazis did the exact same thing, bogus race
>ideologies are fairly standard fare for that sort of disgusting and
>violent political hate culture.

Wait a minute - the The Irish Republican were quite fond of the Nazi's
- were they not inviting them into their country - "my enemies enemies
are my friend" and all that BS.

>Actually that is an Ulster ideology, I don't think the *real* British
>people buy into that neo-Nazi drivel, just the fruitcake Unionists and
>the UDA death squads in Ulster and their external Nazi allies.  Sane
>minded people don't agree with it. It is the white trash in Ulster who
>have signed up for it. That is the entire problem.

WHITE trash - sounds a bit racist to me.

Stu


 
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 More options Oct 7 2001, 2:18 pm
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From: "gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com" <gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 19:19:16 +0100
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2001 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: These attacks are based on religion not RACE. (was) Re: There have been 250 REAL bombings of Irish Catholics *this* year. (was) Re: When you face fascists, weasel words won't do

Nobody said it was, however it is still racism in the eyes of the UN and
other advocates.  It has the same effect and the same type of cause. The
'sub-humans' (according to the Nazis) could still be real aryans (in
actuality).  A race hate ideology doesn't have to make sense to sane
people.  

The UDA falsely argue that they are a distinct race from the Catholics,
that is why they are violent neo-Nazi fruitcakes. The UDA have Nazi
allies because they are real Nazis, they hate Jews, Blacks, and
Catholics.

Their bogus race-hate ideology is quite hitlerian. They march in and
down the streets in their brown uniforms by the thousand in this part of
the UK and they often blaze away with automatic weapons in the process
of those exhibitions.

> >>They are depraved bigots precisely like the Nazis they admire so much
> >were also degenerated bigots, and the UDA make their bogus race ideology
> >up as they go along.  The Nazis did the exact same thing, bogus race
> >ideologies are fairly standard fare for that sort of disgusting and
> >violent political hate culture.

> Wait a minute - the The Irish Republican were quite fond of the Nazi's
> - were they not inviting them into their country - "my enemies enemies
> are my friend" and all that BS.

The IRA fought the Nazis in Spain.  The Nazis disliked the IRA and vice
versa. Stick to the actual topic.  The UDA are a neo-Nazi organization
with a pseudo-racial theory.

> >Actually that is an Ulster ideology, I don't think the *real* British
> >people buy into that neo-Nazi drivel, just the fruitcake Unionists and
> >the UDA death squads in Ulster and their external Nazi allies.  Sane
> >minded people don't agree with it. It is the white trash in Ulster who
> >have signed up for it. That is the entire problem.

> WHITE trash - sounds a bit racist to me.

> Stu

The UDA are what passes for degenerate white trash in this part of the
world. Are you trying to suggest that the UDA and the Aryan Brotherhood
are not white trash? Lots of people call the people who support the UDA
white trash.  That is what they are.

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 More options Oct 7 2001, 2:50 pm
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From: Stu <skinn...@nospam.ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 19:48:40 +0100
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2001 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: These attacks are based on religion not RACE. (was) Re: There have been 250 REAL bombings of Irish Catholics *this* year. (was) Re: When you face fascists, weasel words won't do
On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 19:19:16 +0100, "gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com"

<gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>Nobody said it was, however it is still racism in the eyes of the UN and
>other advocates.  It has the same effect and the same type of cause. The
>'sub-humans' (according to the Nazis) could still be real aryans (in
>actuality).  A race hate ideology doesn't have to make sense to sane
>people.  

Correct and neither does bigotry and that is why I cant make sense of
your BS.

>The UDA falsely argue that they are a distinct race from the Catholics,

Bollox!!

>The UDA are what passes for degenerate white trash in this part of the
>world. Are you trying to suggest that the UDA and the Aryan Brotherhood
>are not white trash? Lots of people call the people who support the UDA
>white trash.  That is what they are.

Lots of people call them that - that makes it correct then?  Its just
another inflammatory comment from you.

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From: "gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com" <gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 19:59:36 +0100
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2001 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: These attacks are based on religion not RACE. (was) Re: There have been 250 REAL bombings of Irish Catholics *this* year. (was) Re: When you face fascists, weasel words won't do

Stu wrote:

> >The UDA falsely argue that they are a distinct race from the Catholics,

> Bollox!!

The details are in the public domain, do a google groups search or a WWW
search. Is bad language the only thing you are capable of?  

The UDA are a neo-Nazi organization with lots of neo-Nazi supporters
within the UK, thousands of them march up and down in their brown
uniforms and at the end of their parades they fire South African assault
rifles in the air (or wherever).

They do this in the UK. They have a bogus race hate ideology.  They are
the biggest neo-Nazi terror grouping Western Europe has seen since the
real thing was on our doorstep.  There are about 9,000 or so UDA thugs
in the United Kingdom. At one time there were 40,000.

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From: "Rufio" <davecawd...@home.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 20:01:32 GMT
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2001 4:01 pm
Subject: Re: When you face fascists, weasel words won't do

"Alan Smaill" <sma...@dai.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message

news:fwehetcxkj6.fsf@puffin.dai.ed.ac.uk...

I do read the Guardian, and often Libération.

OK too ??

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Well....The Grauniad do sometimes get it wrong, but far less so that the
Daily Excess, or the Scum.
Wish I could find a quality daily broadsheet, here in the USA, that had the
same quality!

P.S. Message to Usama bin Laden - Duck you mother-f**ker. Put your head
between your knees
and kiss your ass goodbye. I'm a 39YO ex-pat Brit, I'm too old & not yet a
US citizen, but I'd
volunteer to serve, if I could.


 
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Discussion subject changed to "These attacks are based on religion not RACE. (was) Re: There have been 250 REAL bombings of Irish Catholics *this* year. (was) Re: When you face fascists, weasel words won't do" by Stu
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From: Stu <skinn...@nospam.ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 21:00:32 +0100
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2001 4:00 pm
Subject: Re: These attacks are based on religion not RACE. (was) Re: There have been 250 REAL bombings of Irish Catholics *this* year. (was) Re: When you face fascists, weasel words won't do
On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 19:59:36 +0100, "gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com"

<gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> >The UDA falsely argue that they are a distinct race from the Catholics,

>> Bollox!!

>The details are in the public domain, do a google groups search or a WWW
>search. Is bad language the only thing you are capable of?  

Look you prat - I am sure I could dig up some right wing website that
said Jews are desended from cockroaches - doesn't make it right does -
oops I forgot you are in PR so you are used to believing the BS you
write.

>They do this in the UK. They have a bogus race hate ideology.  They are
>the biggest neo-Nazi terror grouping Western Europe has seen since the
>real thing was on our doorstep.  

As in the real thing that were supported by your SF hero's?  You are
such a twat are you seriously suggesting that Germany, Austria or
France have smaller groups of right wing extremists than NI.

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From: "gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com" <gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:09:14 +0100
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2001 5:09 pm
Subject: Nazi Death Squads on parade in the United Kingdom

The UDA race hate ideology is in the public domain. They had a race
research bureau (just like the first Nazis). Hitler said that the Jews
were a disease infecting Germany and that became a fundamental part of
his race hate ideology.

The UDA have a similar approach to Catholics in Northern Ireland.  They
also have a race hate ideology based on 'research' which is every bit as
bogus as the hateful drivel that Hitler sold his people.  You really do
have the most appalling manners by the way.

"Military-style parade as masked men take to streets - DEFIANT UDA men
staged a mass show of strength in Belfast yesterday - as the row over
the paramilitary group's "ceasefire" continued to rage. Around 50 masked
men wearing Army-style combat dress formed a colour party, to lead
several thousand UDA members and supporters through the streets of a
notorious north Belfast interface."

http://146.101.2.112/content.asp?issue=§ion=news&id=21483

They are the biggest neo-Nazi terror grouping in Western Europe and they
use more bombs than all the other terror groupings added together.  They
like killing Catholics, they bomb little Catholic kids on their way to
school, they use automatic weapons on Catholic kindergartens and they
are very evil and very dangerous.

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From: Stu <skinn...@nospam.ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:12:36 +0100
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2001 5:12 pm
Subject: Re: Nazi Death Squads on parade in the United Kingdom
On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:09:14 +0100, "gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com"

<gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Military-style parade as masked men take to streets - DEFIANT IRA men
staged a mass show of strength in Belfast.

Now I am sure I have seen some backward IRA member with his stupid
Balaclava on that his mammy made for him.  Let me think.......yup at
those funerals when another terrorist ended his miserable life.  I
always raise a glass everytime a terrorist (on both sides) throws a
seven.

Stuart


 
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From: "gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com" <gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:40:47 +0100
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2001 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: Nazi Death Squads on parade in the United Kingdom

Stu wrote:
> Now I am sure I have seen some backward IRA member with his stupid
> Balaclava on that his mammy made for him.  Let me think.......yup at
> those funerals when another terrorist ended his miserable life.  I
> always raise a glass everytime a terrorist (on both sides) throws a
> seven.

> Stuart

Only two loyalists were killed by the security forces in the last
quarter of a century. The IRA were not so lucky and the IRA were an
awful lot smaller than the UDA.

The UDA are the most prolific terrorist bombers in Western Europe and
they lead a charmed life within the United Kingdom.

They hold mass festivals of hate courtesy of the British. They made two
thousand folks homeless after their last 'festival' in West Belfast last
year.
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From: "gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com" <gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:49:37 +0100
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2001 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: There have been 250 REAL bombings of Irish Catholics *this* year. (was) Re: When you face fascists, weasel words won't do

So this is Christmas? wrote:

Stu is not really a rocket scientist. I've no idea why he posts to a
history forum.

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Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 23:10:10 +0100
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:49:37 +0100, "gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com"

<gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>Stu is not really a rocket scientist. I've no idea why he posts to a
>history forum.

But Greg - you only went to a College!! - Some of us went to
University!!

 
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Racists Religions

1.Church is "two bodies, one Black Christian, one white
Christian-separate and divided.

2.Sudras (Untouchables Hindus)

Hindu Church is "two bodies, one Brahmin Hindu , one Untouchable Hindu
separate and divided.

The holocaust was sponsored by "Christians".
American slavery was "justified" by "Christians".

Please visit:
Sudras (Untouchables Hindus) Holocaust Museum
http://www.dalitstan.org/holocaust/

Fight White Power
Fight Brahmin Hindu Power
Fight Imperialism

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>The first one was fairly one sided, but not as bad as I've seen, very
>good by BBC standards, however who on earth would expect tiny children
>to wade through twelve inches of mud and to climb fences simply to enter
>their school by the back door (frequently under attack the entire time)?

Greg! Greg old chap! Are you feeling all right? Should you go and lay
down for a while then come back here? You've said something was 'very
good by BBC standards'! Surely you didn't mean it? Tell us you didn't
mean it, please. Please?

Mike

PS We're still waiting for your list of 'hundreds of Catholic churches
burned out'. I just thought I'd remind you.
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An Phoblacht/Republican News · Thursday 10 June 1999

Out of Order

The Orange Order and loyalist violence

By Laura Friel

Loyalist victim Elizabeth O'Neill

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It's grotesque. Speaking after attending a service at Drumcree Church,
leading Portadown Orangeman David Jones repeats the now well honed
denials of the Loyal Orders. ``As far as we are concerned there is no
link,'' his homily concludes. It is just a few short hours before the
funeral of Elizabeth O'Neill is due to take place in Portadown, but if
David Jones feels any kind of remorse he doesn't show it, all we get
is the ritual washing of Orange hands. ``We totally condemn any attack
of that nature and if anyone misguidedly thinks that they are in some
way helping the protest at Drumcree, then they aren't,'' says Jones.

A resident in the predominantly loyalist Corcrain district, Elizabeth
O'Neill lived little more than a stone's throw from the nationalist
estate around the Garvaghy Road. The Corcrain Road runs parallel with
Obins Street and forms part of the main route for Orange marches to
Drumcree Church. For over a year now Catholics living near the
Corcrain Road have endured almost nightly intimidation from Orange
supporters engaging in illegal protests around the interface of the
Garvaghy Road area. Since last July 18 families have been forced to
flee following loyalist intimidation, including petrol and pipe bomb
attacks on their homes.

In Craigwell Avenue, a minor slip road between Obins Street and
Corcrain Road, 12 out of 32 families have been intimidated out by
loyalists. In September 1998, RUC officer Frankie O'Reilly died after
he was struck by a blast bomb thrown by Orange supporters intent on
attacking Catholic homes along Craigwell Avenue. Tragically, other
fatalities come as no surprise. Given the level of sectarian
intimidation meted out against the Catholic community which has
accompanied the Orange Order's insistence of their right to march down
Garvaghy Road, the only surprise lies in the fact that more people
haven't been killed.

At the height of the Drumcree standoff last year, within a 48-hour
period, 73 Catholic homes and 71 Catholic-owned businesses were
attacked by protesting Orange supporters. The attacks culminated in
the deaths of the Quinn children, three little boys who screamed as
they died trapped in their petrol-bombed home. In the last year, over
150 Catholic families living in predominantly loyalist estates have
had their homes fire bombed. According to official government
statistics, over 1,350 families have been forced to flee their homes
because of intimidation. And still David Jones stands in front of the
cameras to deny any link.

Elizabeth O'Neill is the latest of ten people whose deaths have been
directly linked to the Orange Order's protest at Drumcree - a
59-year-old Protestant mother and grandmother who had lived with her
family in the predominantly loyalist Corcrain estate for over 36
years. The fact that her husband Joseph was a Catholic was sufficient
for the O'Neill family to be targeted. Fatalities arising out of the
Drumcree protest include Michael McGoldrick, a Catholic taxi driver
shot dead in at the height of the Drumcree standoff of July 1996. A
random sectarian murder, his death was ordered by loyalist killer and
prominent Drumcree protester Billy Wright.

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 Grand Master Robert Saulters insists that Portadown Orangemen have an
``absolute right'' to parade along the contentious route... Mr Watson
[County Grand Master of Armagh] also confirmed that the Grand Lodge
was backing calls for a public inquiry into the death of LVF leader
Billy Wright
- Derry Journal, 4 June 1999.

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As tensions rose in Portadown during the run up to the Orange marching
season, Robert Hamill was kicked to death by a loyalist mob in the
town centre in April 1997 and Bernadette Martin was shot dead at her
Protestant boyfriend's home in July 1997. By this time Billy Wright,
expelled from the UVF, had organised his own loyalist terror group.
Based initially in Portadown, the LVF was later used as a cover for
other loyalist groupings to carry out a series of sectarian murders
throughout the Six Counties. A year later, Adrian Lamph, a Catholic
council worker from the Garvaghy Road estate, was shot dead in April
1998 as it became clear that the Parades Commission would reroute the
Orange Order's 5 July parade away from the nationalist Garvaghy Road.

The three Quinn children died in a petrol bomb attack on their Carnany
estate home, Ballymoney in July 1998. The children had attended an
Eleventh night bonfire on the predominantly loyalist estate where they
lived just hours before the fatal attack on their home. News of the
triple murder and public acknowledgement by Orange Chaplain Reverend
Bingham that their deaths were a direct consequence of the Drumcree
protest curtailed plans for a mass convergence of Orangemen at
Drumcree on the Twelfth last year. Bingham was later heckled by Spirit
of Drumcree leader Joel Patten and was thrown into a ditch by
Orangemen enraged by his questioning of the Drumcree standoff after
the Quinn children's deaths.

Elizabeth O'Neill's coffin passes loyalist graffitti in Portadown, the
currently the cockpit of the nationalist nightmare in the Six Counties
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During Orange protests, which have continued almost nightly around the
Garvaghy Road since July of last year, RUC officer Frankie O'Reilly
died after being struck on the head by a blast bomb thrown by an
Orange supporter in October 1998. In March of this year, Rosemary
Nelson, a Lurgan solicitor, died in a loyalist car bomb attack. It is
widely believed that she was targeted because of her high profile
support of Garvaghy Road residents. The latest victim, Elizabeth
O'Neill, died in a pipe bomb attack ``aimed at destroying the talks to
resolve Drumcree'', as Methodist Church leader David Kerr
acknowledged.

But the use of sectarian violence is by no means a recent departure
for the Orange Order. Indeed, its very foundation was rooted in the
blood of its Catholic victims. In 1795, a minor dispute escalated into
what became known by Orangemen as The battle of the Diamond, in which
40 Catholics were killed. From this incident, the Orange Order was
spawned. Speaking about the activities of the Order in 1795, the
Governor of Armagh told magistrates: ``It is no secret that a
persecution is now raging in this country... the only crime is... the
profession of the Roman Catholic faith. A lawless band have
constituted themselves judges..'' Throughout the 19th century, annual
Orange marches were accompanied by sectarian pogroms against Catholic
communities.

By the 20th century, partition consolidated the Orange Order as one of
the most significant power blocs in the Six Counties. Between the
imposition of partition in 1921 to the introduction of direct rule in
1972 all six Stormont Prime Ministers were Orangemen and out of 95
Stormont MPs, 87 belonged to the Orange Order. Throughout this period
anti-Catholic pogroms continued to be associated with Orange parades.
During one particular Twelfth parade in July 1932, a returning Orange
parade invaded a Catholic enclave off Lancaster Street in Belfast. In
the violence which ensued, nine people were killed and 2,241 Catholics
were driven from their homes.

In Portadown, the Orange citadel, links between Orangemen and loyalist
paramilitaries have remained particularly close. In a disputed march
in 1972, masked loyalist paramilitaries lined Obins street as an
Orange Parade was pushed through. But the most recent expression of
this was the close association of Portadown UVF, later LVF, leader
Billy Wright. Known as ``King Rat'', Billy Wright was a serial
sectarian killer, known to be responsible for at least 42 Catholic
deaths since 1989.

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 If we're not down [Garvaghy Road] by the fourth of July, then we're
into a very dangerous situation. Because then we are on a slippery
slope towards something possibly as serious as civil war....[and] the
problem won't be at Drumcree, it will be throughout the country
- Portadown Orange Order spokesperson David Jones speaking to the
Boston Herald, May 1999.

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Stu <skinn...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote in message <news:hlhtrt0v0ujsvfr0dehu2tc9lckojv6lji@4ax.com>...
> On 5 Oct 2001 13:05:22 -0700, Hmhawk...@yahoo.co.uk (So this is
> Christmas?) wrote:

> >their atrocities, Northern Irish catholics ARE subject to night race
> >hate attacks.

> They are not a different race - so why bring race into it.

> AND we are all agree that both sides are as bad as each other - so
> what is the fecking point in your mindless little post?

> Stu

Not so  fast Stu,

Sectarian Attacks
8-14 July 2000

Introduction:
In our document on Rosemary Nelson, we included an appendix that
listed all known loyalist attacks from 1 January 1999 through 30 April
1999. Given the nature of the document the list focused on loyalist
attacks. Since that time, we have continued to document attacks across
the North, expanding our remit to include all attacks that might be
considered sectarian (sometimes, however, the motives aren’t
always clear.)

The following list of sectarian and race attacks is from 8 through 14
July 2000. Should any incidents have inadvertently been left off the
list please contact us. The issue of inclusion/exclusion is very
problematic. For instance this document does not include punishment
beatings ‘within’ a community, attacks by the security
forces on civilians or by civilians on the security forces or murders
where the perpetrators are believed to be from the same community and
the motive is not thought to have been sectarian. We have also not
included violent incidents connected to feuding within loyalism. We
will update this list each month.

Due to the upsurge in sectarian attacks during July 2000 we plan to
release an updated version of this list on a weekly basis for the
duration of the month.

The RUC said there had been 280 attacks on security forces by
loyalists, including 13 shooting incidents, in the first 10 days of
July, and that 57 RUC officers and five soldiers had been injured.
There had been 288 petrol bombings, some involving dozens of devices,
and the police had recovered 941 petrol bombs. Seventy-seven homes, 55
commercial premises and 358 vehicles had been damaged, and 88 vehicles
hijacked. There had been 146 arrests with 72 people charged. In
response four plastic bullets were fired. (As always great care needs
to be taken with RUC statistics.) On BBC television the Chief
Constable insisted there would be "many more retrospective
prosecutions" once the situation had eased.

8 July

2.30am. Loyalists playing flutes and bagpipes on Carlisle Road in
Derry attempted to block a taxi driver’s path as he went to pick
up a fare. One went to throw a bottle at the car but was stopped by
one of the others.

It was claimed that two carloads of loyalists attempted to gain entry
to a nationalist home on the Cavan Road in Castlederg, Co Tyrone. They
were frightened off because the adjacent road was too busy.

8/9 July

Two Catholic primary schools and an integrated college were targeted
by arsonists overnight. The attacks in Glengormley and Carrickfergus
are believed to have been sectarian.

Two Catholic men escaped with their lives in Ardoyne when loyalists
attempted to open fire on them. A car slowed down alongside the two
men and a back-seat passenger wearing a balaclava pulled a gun and
tried to fire but it jammed. One man dived to the ground while the
other jumped over a wall. The car then reversed back up and the gunman
tried to fire again twice. The gun jammed both times.

Loyalists attacked the house of a Protestant woman in Newbuildings in
Derry after a Drumcree-related protest nearby. The woman works for the
Community Police Liaison Forum.

9 July

According to press reports the RUC warned that the UFF/UDA, together
with the LVF, have threatened to "kill a Catholic a day" until the
Orange Order is allowed down the Garvaghy Road.

A petrol bomb was thrown into a garden at Lurgan hospital. The device,
which failed to ignite, landed just yards from a hospital ward where
stroke victims and respite patients are cared for. The RUC linked the
attack to disturbances on the nearby loyalist Mourneview estate.

10 July

Most areas of the north were affected by protests and roadblocks,
which began at 4.00pm and blocked many arterial roads and major
junctions. The protests were supposed to finish at 8.00pm, but in some
cases the protests and obstructions remained, while in others riots
soon developed. In all 125 roads were blocked.

The RUC pushed 300 protesters back up the Albert Bridge Road when they
tried to enter the nationalist Short Strand area of Belfast.

In Limavady a man was knocked to the ground and beaten by a group of
loyalists when he got out of his car and attempted to remove a
seemingly unattended roadblock. The man and his family were on their
way to the wake of a close relative.

In Ballynure, Co Antrim, the RUC deployed a water cannon to clear
protesters but didn’t use it.

In Rathgael, near Bangor, Co Down, a young woman driver was left badly
shaken when a mob surrounded her car. One man jumped on the bonnet.

The RUC found component parts for blast bombs in Greenisland, Co
Antrim.

Cars were hijacked and set on fire in many areas including
Newtownards, Lurgan, Dunmurry, Derry, Craigavon, Belfast and Antrim.
In the centre of Lurgan a crowd of about 200 loyalists gathered at the
war memorial in the nationalist end of the town and confrontation
threatened as nationalists gathered in the William Street area. The
RUC pushed the loyalists back towards High Street.

Even in areas not directly affected by the protests shops and
businesses closed early to ensure that workers got home safely. Rush
hour began before 3.00pm and by 4.00pm the roads were already
deserted.

In Belfast the Chamber of Trade advised its members to close by
3.00pm. Mr Frank Caddy, Chief Executive of the chamber, said: "We
don’t need to lose this sort of turnover which must amount to
several hundred thousand pounds in the loss of two or three hours of
trade."

With the exception of nationalist west Belfast almost every main road
in the city had at least one obstruction. At Carlisle Circus, on the
main route into north Belfast, loyalist leader Johnny Adair was
present.

Other major junctions, such as Shaftesbury Square, Broadway roundabout
and the Albert Bridge Road, were blocked.

Antrim town, Newtownabbey, Carrickfergus, Ballyclare, Ahoghill and
Ballymena were affected by protests. A car driven by SDLP councillor
Oran Keenan was hijacked and overturned in Antrim.

In counties Down and Armagh, roads in Lurgan, Portadown, Tandragee,
Castlewellan and Markethill were blocked. The M1 motorway was blocked
at Sprucefield, Donaghmore and Dungannon. Roads in Ballynahinch,
Newtownards, Annalong, Comber, Downpatrick, Carryduff, Killyleagh,
Moira and Newry were also affected. The A1 road to Dublin was blocked
at Dromore.

Many roads in the Waterside area of Derry were blocked. There were
protests on Milltown Crescent, Ardmore Road and Limavady Road and, for
a very short period, on the upper deck of the Craigavon Bridge.
Magherafelt was also affected. The Ballygawley roundabout on the main
road from Belfast to the West was blocked, as were roads in Moygashel,
Omagh and Aughnacloy.

The nationalist Lower Ormeau Road was hemmed in for several hours and
on the peace-line between the Falls and Shankill Roads there were a
number of incidents in the Northumberland St area.

A car was hijacked and abandoned on a motorway bridge at Fortwilliam,
north Belfast, forcing the closure of the M2, M3 and M5.

Independent Unionist Councillor Andrew Davidson was forced to drive
through a red light after his car was attacked by loyalists at the
Woodburn crossroads in the Waterside area of Derry. A crowd of about
15-20 youths, some wearing scarves over their faces, had blocked the
road, and a number of the protesters jumped on to the
councillor’s car as he attempted to pass.

Bomb disposal officers were called to deal with suspected pipe bombs
in Newtownabbey. The RUC recovered 32 petrol bombs in Thorburn Road in
the same area.

Orangemen from Portadown and from the Ballynafeigh Lodge in south
Belfast picketed the Parades Commission office in Belfast. Some of
those who had participated in the demonstration disrupted traffic on
the M1 afterwards, moving slowly along in a convoy of 20 vehicles.
Earlier there had been a hoax bomb alert outside the home of a member
of the Parade’s Commission.

Loyalist gunmen attacked a Catholic-owned taxi in Glenmachan Street in
Belfast. Those in the car escaped serious injury when the driver and
passengers ducked and the driver swerved to avoid the gunmen who had
been trying to stop it by holding up their hands and pointing a gun at
the car. The passenger in the rear of the car suffered minor injuries
when a brick was thrown through the back window as the car sped away.

Two Catholic churches, one in Castlederg and one in Newtownabbey, were
set on fire. The home of a Catholic priest in Brunswick Road, Bangor
was attacked by approximately 150 loyalist protesters. His church, St
Comgall’s, was also attacked and two windows in the building
were broken. The same protesters also stoned businesses in what is a
mixed area of the predominantly Protestant town.

Car show rooms in Coleraine and Banbridge were set on fire. Cars were
hijacked and set on fire in Derry’s Waterside. One driver had
their rear window put through as they sped away from would-be
hijackers.

Two Danish tourists described the situation here as "more like Bosnia"
after they were stopped at a loyalist roadblock on the Killyleagh to
Armagh road. They complained that the RUC had refused to help them.

Sam McAllister, convicted murderer and member of the notorious UVF
Shankill Butchers gang, was hospitalised after being badly beaten by
suspected members of the UDA/UFF in Lisburn. The attack is seen as
being part of the escalating feud within loyalism.

Five men appeared before Craigavon Magistrates' ...

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Sectarian incidents and attacks
June 2001

Introduction:
The following list of sectarian incidents and attacks is from 01
through 30 June 2001. We rely on a number of sources for our
information, but this is by no means comprehensive. If you find
incidents that have been left off the list please contact us. A full
dossier of sectarian attacks from January 1999 until May 2001 is also
available.

North Belfast: Because of the intensity of incidents in the Ardoyne
Road/Glenbryn interface we are dedicating a separate section to
incidents in north Belfast at the end of our usual day by day log.

Sectarian incidents and attacks June 2001

June 2, Saturday
The Andersonstown News reported an accusation by Sinn Fein that
election workers in the Lagan Valley constituency were intimidated,
and that Sinn Fein election posters were removed. The paper also
reported that nationalist residents of Dunmurry had accused the RUC of
turning a blind eye to the activities of loyalists. One local, who was
using his camcorder to record a group of loyalists, captured on film
two RUC landrovers driving past cudgel wielding loyalists without
taking any action. The RUC claimed they had only two officers in an
unmarked car in the area at the time. Residents have said they will
hand the video in question over to the Police Ombudsman. (AN)

June 3, Sunday
A woman and her two young children escaped injury in a pipe bomb
attack on their home in Loughanill Park in Coleraine. They were
upstairs in the house when the device exploded downstairs at 11.00pm.
In another incident, a number of shots were fired through the window
of a house at Newbridge Park in the town. One shot was fired through a
bedroom window, and then a number through a downstairs window while
attempts were made to force open the front door. The man in the house
suffered cuts from flying glass, and both he and his wife were treated
for shock. (RUC)

June 4, Monday
A loyalist gang attacked cars belonging to a Catholic family in west
Belfast, causing Ł2000 worth of damage. The householder said that his
home is attacked by loyalists from the Village area every year:
quot;Every summer as the marching season approaches we live in fear of
our home being attacked. The attacks are usually centred around the
month of July, but this year they seem to have started early. We have
had the windows of the house broken countless times and every car we
have ever owned has been smashed up by these thugs. In this attack
both my wife’s and my son’s car were parked in the
driveway and both were smashed up with baseball bats. The men who
carried out this attack were backed up by a crowd of masked and armed
men who were waiting at the other side of the road. I believe that
they were trying to lure people out of their homes and then stage an
attack on local residents." The man was scathing of the security force
response to the attacks. Referring to sophisticated army surveillance
equipment in the area he said: "I would like to ask them why they seem
unable to use this equipment to catch loyalists who are attacking our
homes on a regular basis." (AN)

June 5, Tuesday
The names of 115 alleged republicans were found stored on computer
disks in an east Belfast man’s home, Belfast Crown Court heard.
The information was revealed during a bail application by Geoffrey
Aiken, who is facing charges of possession of information useful to
terrorists. The words "good stuff" had been written on the disks.
Aiken was granted bail. (IN)

An Orange Order service may have prompted arsonists to target a
Presbyterian Church, it was claimed. New Mills Presbyterian Church,
near Portadown, was destroyed by fire just 24 hours after an Orange
parade and service was held at the church. At the same time, Drumcree
supporters were slammed for the "shameful desecration" of a Catholic
church and graveyard. St Patrick’s Church at Ballyargan, also
near Portadown, was attacked by vandals who painted sectarian slogans,
such as "Roll On Drumcree 2001" and "Power to the Prods", as well as
LVF and UFF slogans. It was the latest in a series of attacks on the
church, which was fire-bombed six years ago. (IN, RUC)

Two men were arrested in the greater Belfast area by detectives
investigating the murder of Rosemary Nelson. The two men, aged 41 and
43, were questioned in Gough Barracks, Armagh, about ‘serious
terrorist offences." (IN)

It was reported that Orangemen in Portadown had re-entered the
mediation process aimed at resolving the stand off. South African
mediator Brian Currin announced that documents were now being
exchanged between the two sides. "I have handed a document to the
Garvaghy Road Residents’ Coalition who have in turn undertaken
to respond in writing as soon as possible," he said. Residents’
spokesperson Breandan MacCionnaith said they would be studying the
document carefully but were disappointed that the range Order had made
no comment on the document they submitted in February. (IN)

The Orange Order claimed that ‘nightly assaults’ by
republicans on the Fountain Estate in Derry were aimed at forcing
Protestants from the city’s west bank. The claim was carried in
the Order’s newspaper, The Orange Standard. (DJ)

June 6, Wednesday
A bar at Frosses Road in Cloughmills was damaged by a petrol bomb in
the early hours of the morning. Less than an hour later a car was set
alight in the Fairway area of Larne. The RUC said they had not ruled
out a sectarian motive for either attack. (IN, RUC)

It was announced that Greater Belfast coroner John Lecky would
initiate a review of the inquest system in the light of the European
Court judgement. The judgement found, among other matters, serious
failings in the inquest system where shoot-to-kill or collusion
between security forces and loyalists was alleged. (IN)

Sinn Fein Education Minister Martin McGuinness and his wife were
warned that they were being targeted by loyalist paramilitaries. Other
party members, including Michelle Gildernew (elected MP for
Fermanagh/South Tyrone on the 9th of June), Mitchell McLaughlin and
Cathal Crumley also received warnings, which simply said that the
persons details were in the hands of loyalist paramilitaries and that
they should take precautions. McLaughlin said: "As follows the normal
pattern the RUC refused to disclose any other information despite
being asked as to where the information was discovered, the identity
and affiliation of the individual and whether any arrests had been
made." Another of those visited, Strabane IRSP spokesperson Willie
Gallagher, said he would seek a judicial review if the RUC failed to
elaborate on the information. "We can’t assess the risk without
proper clarification," he stated. (IN)

A number of weapons, including an assault rifle with a fully loaded
magazine, two revolvers, two pistols and a quantity of ammunition and
flares were discovered in the Tandragee Road area of Portadown during
an RUC search. A number of explosive devices were also found during a
search of a disused garage at Shore Road in Newtownabbey. The railway
line between Belfast and Larne was closed during the search operation.
An RUC Assistant Chief Constable said: "It’s too early in the
investigation to be certain, but from the design and make-up of the
bombs we are quite satisfied that these are loyalist devices. (RUC)

June 8, Friday
A number of shots were fired at two houses in Heron Way, in the
Waterside area of Derry. No one was injured in the incident. (RUC)

A pipe bomb exploded at the rear of a house in Coolessan Walk,
Limavady, at around 1.00am. The RUC said that they regarded the attack
as sectarian. (RUC)

June 11, Monday
St Bernard’s Chapel on the Antrim Road in Glengormley was
destroyed in an arson attack. See North Belfast incidents below. (RUC)

June 12, Tuesday
In an editorial the New York Times called for independent inquiries
into the murders of solicitors Pat Finucane and Rosemary Nelson. The
editorial provoked a response from the British Ambassador in
Washington, Christopher Meyer, who attempted to defend the previous
and ongoing investigations into the murders, which in turn provoked a
response from Pat Finucane’s law partner, Peter Madden, who
attacked Meyer’s claims. (IN)

Detectives investigating the murder of Rosemary Nelson arrested a man
in Plymouth. The man, originally from Portadown, was held for
questioning about "serious terrorist offences." Two other men were
arrested in Portadown on the 14th of June for questioning about the
murder. (IN)

June 13, Wednesday
A novena at Clonard monastery in west Belfast was abandoned and more
than 2000 people forced to leave after a suspect van was abandoned in
the monastery grounds. The van was backed up to the doors of the
Clonard youth club, and two men in their twenties got out and escaped
in a waiting car. Clonard Street was evacuated after a second suspect
device was found in a drain close to the monastery. A British army
bomb-disposal team carried out a controlled explosion on the second
device before it was declared a hoax, and the area declared safe. The
bomb alerts came just hours after a man needed hospital treatment
after being attacked by two car ...

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From: mauraf...@hotmail.com (Just Maura)
Date: 8 Oct 2001 20:18:10 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2001 11:18 pm
Subject: Re: Could this happen openly in Alabama?

Are you starting to get the drift?

Death Squad Attacks
for the period of April, 1998 - April, 1999

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April 27, 1997
Robert Hamill kicked to death in Portadown

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1998

March
Petrol bomb attack in Greynount in North Belfast
Arson attack on Star of the Sea Youth Club

April 2nd
Petrol bomb attack on Sunday morning on a Catholic family from
Greymount in North Belfast.
Four nationalists from Short Strand told by RUC they are on an
unspecified loyalist death list

April 4th
Catholic couple and three children were attacked by a sectarian gang
as they did their shopping in County Down village of Annalong

April 6th
12 year old nationalist child seriously ill after being attacked by a
loyalist mob on the Crumlin Road; has a fractured skull after being
struck on the head by a brick

April 19th
21 year old Finaghy man was beaten unconscious by a gang of loyalists

April 21st
30 year old Catholic man, Adrian Lamph, was shot dead by the LVF.
At preliminary hearing into murder of Robert Hamill, three loyalists
intimidated his sister Diane and followed the family from the court
back to Portadown.
Shots were fired into the homes of catholic residents living in
Antrim's Ballycraigy Estate.

April 25th
A catholic student, Ciaran Heffron was shot dead in a sectarian attack
in Crumlin village, just hours after a loyalist rally in Antrim town.
Loyalists responsible for a no warning bomb at Steptoe's bar and
restaurant outside Armagh city
A young catholic woman narrowly escaped abduction by loyalists in the
Whitewell Road area of Belfast
A number of nationalists were attacked following a loyalist march in
Castlederg in Tyrone. Two men were dragged from a cafe and beaten in
the street.

May 1st
A nationalist couple were attacked in Newtownstewart

May 5th
Loyalist pipe bomb attack on home of Brendan Curran.
An armed loyalist gang attempt to assassinate a Poleglass man, Francis
McCourt
Peral Segar from the Womens coalition had to move home after she was
threatened by loyalists in East Belfast.

May 8th
A 15 year old Belfast boy, Kevin Tierney, was attacked and seriously
injured by a loyalist mob in the Ballycraigy estate in Antrim.

May 9th
A young catholic couple and their 6 month old child had their home
attacked by loyalists in Hawkin Street in Derry City centre.
Nightly attacks on residents in the Newington area of North Belfast
from loyalists in Tigers Bay

May 23rd
Loyalists call off picket of Catholic Church in Harryville after
almost two years.

May 25th
A young nationalist schoolboy was attacked by two men as he waited for
a bus on the Antrim Road.

May 28th
A number of nationalists in Whitewell area of North Belfast were told
by RUC that they were on a loyalist death squad list
Loyalist gangs are regularly harassing and attacking residents in
Whitewell including the burning out of two cars and smashing of
windows in recent nights.
A nationalist family from Stoneypath in Derry narrowly escaped serious
injury after an attack on their home by loyalists. This is the fourth
attack on the family in recent years.
Attacks on nationalist homes in Portadown

May 31st
Drunken loyalists attacked a number of people in Donegall Pass in
Belfast.
A mob of 50 loyalists attacked homes in the Whitewell area of North
Belfast (More than 50 nationalist families have been driven from their
homes in the last three years)

June 4th
Loyalists pull down a fence put up to protect the nationalist
residents of Obins Drive in Portadown. A number of residents have been
hospitalised and had their houses and cars damaged.

June 6th
Loyalists attack young people at junction of Donegal Pass and Ormeau
Road

June 9th
Attack on home in Rosevale street, North Belfast, by a gang of
loyalists.

June 25th
Loyalist mob attack Lurgan family. Three family members require
hospital treatment.

June 29th
Joel Patten announces that picketing of Catholic Church in Harryville
will resume

July 2nd
Ten catholic churches were attacked in Crumlin, Lisburn, Castlewellan,
Belfast, Tandragee, Banbridge, Portadown and Dungannon

July 3rd
St James Church in Crumlin was burned by loyalists connected with LVF

July 4th
Two petrol bombs were thrown at a catholic home in Antrim

July 7th
Two students were shot at by three gunmen fromthe loyalist Mourneview
Estate in Lurgan.
A loyalist mob attacked houses on Collingwood Avenue with petrol bombs
and blast bombs
Catholic owned guest house in Carrickfergus was petrol bombed
A hostel for the homeless in Castlereagh Street, east Belfast, was
attacked

July 9th
Within 48 hours of the Drumcree standoff 73 catholic homes and 71
businesses were attacked. 136 cars were hijacked and another 213 badly
damaged. Dozens of roads were blocked.
Catholic churches and schools in North Belfast were attacked.

July 10th
Attacks against catholic homes and businesses in Kilkeel
Two men and a youth were injured when a loyalist gunman fired six
shots in the Ligoniel area of North Belfast.

July 12th
Richard, Mark and Jason Quinn from Ballymoney were murdered by
loyalists
At least 144 homes in predominatly protestant housing estates have
suffered sectarian fire bomb attacks and 155 other catholic buildings
have been damaged
Fourteen catholic families in Carrickfergus had their homes petrol
bombed and have been forced to move - mainly homes in Glenfield and
Sunnylands.
Two families in Greenisland, just outside Carrickfergus, and five
families in Antrim town have been forced to leave their homes
following petrol bomb attacks by loyalist mobs.
Homes were attacked in Larne
In Whitehead, county Antrim ten petrol bombs were thrown at Ulidia
integrated school and attempts were made to burn down the local
catholic primary school.
A pub and two businesses were fire bombed in Kilkeel.
In Bushmills, County Antrim, a loyalist gunman fired on massgoers.
A protestant family were driven out of their home by a loyalist mob in
the protestant Eastvale Estate in Dungannon.

July 13th
Orange marches chant "3 - nil" following murder of Quinn brothers.

July 15th
Four masked men fired shots at Clonduff GAA Club in Hilltown

July 26thM
Loyalists (UDA) attempt to murder two brothers in the Waterside
Loyalists firing catapults at homes of nationalist residents of
Carrick Hill

July 29th
Loyalists attack a bus returning from Long Kesh

August 5th
Elderly man in Cliftondene Crescent had his windows smashed by
loyalists

August 8th/9th
Loyalist attacks on houses in Powerscourt Place, just off Lower Ormeau
Road
Two young children were attacked by ten loyalists at Oldpark

August 15th
The Star of the Sea Youth Club was attacked in North Belfast

August 29th
A 200 strong loyalist mob rampaged through Portadown town centre and
attacked a relative of Robert Hamill.
SF Councillor Paddy McGreevy told he is on a loyalist death list

September 3rd
Two Catholic owned shops were damaged in Arson attacks

September 5th
Prolonged attacks on nationalists in Portadown - two catholic
businesses were set on fire

September 9th
A New Lodge Road woman received a bullet in the post

September 17th- Aghadrumsee primary school outside Roslea in Fermanagh
is being picketed by unionists and loyalists to prevent two newly
appointed catholic cooks from taking up their positions.

September 18th
Loyalists poured petrol through a letterbox of a house in the
Whitewell area of North Belfast. Dozens of cars were also vandalised
and windows smashed.

September 22nd
Homes in Rosevale Street, North Belfast were attacked.

October 6th
Attacks and intimidation continue in Portadown
A West Belfastman working on the loyalist Old Warren Estate in Lisburn
was threatened by loyalists and forced out of the sub contracting job
he was doing.

October 12th
Homes in Serpentine Road and Whitewell Road in North Belfast were
attacked with petrol bombs

October 30th
Loyalists attack catholic owned bar on the outskirts of West Belfast;
Red Hand Defenders

October 31st
Attempted adbuction of Ardoyne man by loyalists
Brian Service, a community worker in North Belfast was murdered by
loyalists

November 1st
Loyalists abduct and attempt to murder a young nationalist in the
Oldpark area
A nationalist man from the Unity flats area of North Belfast was
attacked by loyalists and required 28 stitches to the face.

November 9th
Loyalists attacked homes in Hillman Street in the New Lodge area of
North Belfast; large ballbearings and missiles were fired in the
windows of four homes
Loyalists attacked eight homes in the Glengoland in West Belfast

November 10th
Loyalists smashed the windows of ten homes and vandalised a car on the
Broadway Road in West Belfast. They hurled sectarian abuse at
residents.
A loyalist gan attacked two men on the Falls Road.

November 26th
Nationalist workers in Lurgan have been subjected to sectarian
intimidation
Loyalists put up posters threatening to lay siege to nationalist
Ligoniel area in North Belfast

December 10th
Loyalists spotted taking photographs at the home of a well known
republican in West Belfast.
A teenager required eight stitches after being ...

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From: mauraf...@hotmail.com (Just Maura)
Date: 8 Oct 2001 20:23:22 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2001 11:23 pm
Subject: Re: Could this happen openly in Alabama?

Sectarian Attacks
November 2000

Introduction:
The following list of sectarian/race incidents and related issues is
from 01 through 30 November 2000. We rely on a number of sources for
our information, but this is by no means comprehensive. If you find
incidents that have been left off the list please contact us.

  Because of the extent of the ongoing loyalist feud, the PFC is
keeping a log of incidents relating to it and is compiling a digest
for readers (see previous updates on Loyalist Feud Incidents).

2 November, Thursday

Representatives of the Chinese community met with RUC chiefs in a bid
to end the increasing number of attacks on members of their community.
(IN)

4 November, Saturday

The Andersonstown News reported sectarian attacks on a Catholic taxi
driver and Catholic Church in Dunmurry, on the outskirts of Belfast.
(AN)

  The same paper also carried a report revealing that the wearing of
shamrocks on St Patrick's Day by BBC staff is still optional. At the
same time, a directive laid down by the corporation two years ago,
making it compulsory for all presenters to wear the British Legion
Poppy during the run up to 11 November (Remembrance Day) is still in
force. (AN)

  5 November, Monday

A Catholic man from Larne, who has been repeatedly targeted by
loyalists, was hospitalised suffering from severe depression. In the
most recent attack, in October, the man escaped uninjured in what is
believed to have been a UDA/UFF booby trap bomb attempt on his life,
while out collecting fish bait with a Protestant friend. His companion
was injured in the attack. Three years previously the man, his partner
and their child escaped without serious injury after a grenade
exploded under their van. The man's uncle was murdered by the UDA/UFF
seven years ago, also while collecting fish bait. (IN)

  6 November, Tuesday

A Catholic family living in Banbridge received a death threat
following an arson attempt on their house by loyalists. A caller,
claiming to be from the LVF, told the family they would not survive
the next attack. The same family were 'put out' of their home three
years previously. There are an increasing number of reports of
sectarian attacks on Catholics in Banbridge. (IN, PFC)

  10 November, Friday

A Catholic man was attacked as he drove through Dunmurry. The man, who
had stopped at a level crossing, was surrounded by 15 loyalist youths
wearing scarves over their faces who quizzed him about where he lived.
They called him a 'fenian' before spitting in his face and attacking
his car with bottles and glasses as he drove off. (IN)

  Community workers from the New Haven Trust, working on an
anti-graffiti project in Kilkeel, Co Down, were told by known
loyalists that they would be shot if they continued removing loyalist
graffiti. RUC officers told the Trust that, in light of the threats,
it would be safer for them not to continue. The far-right British
National Party (BNP) and the LVF are known to have been operating in
Kilkeel in recent months. A trust spokesperson said: quot;It is the
overtly sectarian and racist remarks that cause most concern." (IN)

  11 November, Saturday

Catholics in Dunmurry asked the Chief Electoral Officer to relocate
the area's polling station away from a local hall, where there are
loyalist flags flying, to a more neutral venue. (AN)

  In Dunmurry in the last number of weeks, loyalists have carried out
at least 37 attacks, including ones against Catholic schoolchildren,
Catholic taxi drivers, a Catholic Church, and a Catholic-owned
business. One man, who has been subjected to continued attacks when
driving to work and has had his windscreen smashed, said that even an
escort provided by the RUC did not prevent his car being attacked by
loyalists. Local sources say they believe there is a concerted effort
to force Catholics out of the area. (AN, IN, Daily Star, BBC)

  Garvaghy Road Residents spokesperson Breandán MacCionnaith was
injured, and a friend of his died from a heart attack, when the group
they were with was attacked by loyalists who recognised them while
staying at a hotel in Bray, County Wicklow, in the Republic of
Ireland. (IoS)

18 November, Saturday

Loyalists attacked an annual GAA dinner dance at the Tullyglass Hotel
in Ballymena. Windows were smashed but no one was injured. (IN, RUC)

  21 November, Tuesday

Stephen Irwin, the UDA/UFF gunman jailed for life for his part in the
infamous "trick or treat" massacre in Greysteel in October 1993, is
believed by security sources to have joined the British neo-nazi group
Combat 18. Irwin, who was befriended by British fascists while serving
time in Long Kesh, was released on licence under the terms of the Good
Friday Agreement. He was filmed by the Metropolitan Police giving a
Nazi salute at The Cenotaph in London on Remembrance Sunday (12 Nov).
Nationalists in Derry have called for his early-release licence to be
revoked. Loyalist sources deny he has neo-nazi links. (IN, Obs)

  In Portadown 150 Loyalists, some covering their faces with
balaclavas and scarves, marched from the town centre through the
Craigwell and Corcrain Bridge area - just yards from Catholic homes -
shouting as they passed. The Orangemen, who had gathered on Drumcree
hill, vowed to continue their protests. The move came ahead of the
publication of a report on the state of progress in negotiations
brokered between Orangemen and nationalist residents by South African
human rights lawyer Brian Currin. (IN)

  22 November, Wednesday

SDLP Councillor Danny O'Connor presented Irish Foreign Minister Brian
Cowen with a dossier detailing ongoing sectarian attacks by loyalists
on the Catholic minority in Larne, Co Antrim. Details of the 150 plus
attacks are not yet in the public domain because of fears that the
victims may be identifiable. The PFC knows of other areas in the north
of Ireland where nationalists do not want to draw attention to the
ongoing problem of attacks for fear of exacerbating the situation.
Four families forced to flee their Larne homes during the latest spate
of attacks told the Irish News that the RUC had failed to provide
adequate protection. (PFC, IN, CW, BBC)

24 November, Friday

Craigavon UUP councillor Fred Crowe said that he had received several
death threats from loyalists for having invited Tom McDermott, one of
the stars of Channel 4's TV show Big Brother, to switch on the
Christmas lights in Lurgan and Portadown. The threats referred to the
fact that McDermott, a Catholic, had worn a GAA shirt in the show.
(IN)

  The Department of Education released funding for 'high security'
measures at two Catholic Schools in the predominantly Unionist village
of Newbuildings, outside Derry, in the hope of foiling future
sectarian attacks. Both schools have come under attack in recent
months. (IN)

  25 November, Saturday

A pipe bomb was defused after it had been left at a side entrance to
the Catholic-owned Castle Bar in Coleraine. (IN)

  27 November, Monday

An Orange Hall in Ballyronan was damaged in an arson attack. Intruders
forced open a rear door some time after 7.30pm and started a fire in a
store. (RUC)

  28 November, Tuesday

Bogside Residents' Group spokesperson Donncha MacNiallais announced
that they (BRG) would not be opposing the Apprentice Boys annual
Lundy's Day parade through Derry City Centre on 2 December. The move
came after negotiations between residents and Apprentice Boys had
resulted in the march being brought forward again and assurances that
there would be no paramilitary bands and that shoppers would not be
assaulted. (IN)

   29 November, Wednesday

The Equality Commission for Northern Ireland has issued judicial
proceedings on behalf of Lurgan Celtic against the Unionist-dominated
Irish Football [soccer] Association. Lurgan Celtic has applied five
seasons in a row to gain senior status but has been turned down on
each occasion. Another Catholic team, Donegal Celtic, from Belfast,
has been turned down eleven times. (IN)

  Sources:

AN:  Andersonstown News.

BBC:  BBC radio and television news, BBC online, Radio Foyle.

CW:  Local community workers.

IN:  Irish News.

IOS:  Ireland on Sunday.

Obs  Observer

PFC:  Pat Finucane Centre.

RUC: RUC website.

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From: stuartkinn...@hotmail.com (Stu)
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mauraf...@hotmail.com (Just Maura) wrote in message <news:1d9b46a.0110081923.1f0df515@posting.google.com>...
>   Sources:

YAWN

> Just Maura

Thank god. Greg been sending you his tiresome bookmarks?

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Snip irrelevancies again.

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Snipped unread

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