10th Hussars and rifles
William Black
across a book about British military long-arms and discovered that the
10th Hussars (10th (Prince of Wales's Own) Regiment of (Light) Dragoons
(Hussars) ) were issued with Baker rifled carbines in 1805, just prior
to their deployment to the Peninsula.
They fought right through that campaign and also at Waterloo.
Does anyone know anything about how they were deployed and if they
developed any tactics for the use of their long range fire-power?
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.
Singanas@Texasgulfcoast
> So, wandering through the deeper reaches of my bookshelves I happened
> across a book about British military long-arms and discovered that the
> 10th Hussars (10th (Prince of Wales's Own) Regiment of (Light) Dragoons
> (Hussars) ) were issued with Baker rifled carbines in 1805, just prior
> to their deployment to the Peninsula.
>
> They fought right through that campaign and also at Waterloo.
>
> Does anyone know anything about how they were deployed and if they
> developed any tactics for the use of their long range fire-power?
>
> --
> William Black
>
"10th Hussars (10th (Prince of Wales's Own) Regiment of (Light)
Dragoons (Hussars) ) were issued with Baker rifled carbines in 1805,
just prior to their deployment to the Peninsula."
I thought Wellington started the peninsula campaign in Aug 1808.
That's the month and year my Brit ancestor (Jeremiah Baker)
sailed from Manchester docks....
David H
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William Black
I didn't check, I just lifted the paragraph from the book I was reading.
I'm much more interested in the deployment of a regiment of rifle armed
cavalry. It just doesn't fit my preconception of British cavalry of the
time.
The very idea of rifle armed light cavalry must have been revolutionary,
but it just hasn't entered the 'legend' of the period in the way the
rifle armed infantry have.
Paul J Gans
Is it possible that they were just horsing around?
<runs for cover>
--
--- Paul J. Gans
Slobodan Milosevic
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OMG another PMFJI by Gans. Rifle armed cavalry is the topic
you freak. Now tell us goofball, what was the standard CAVALRY weapon
before the arrival of the Baker rifle ?
Dan aka Slobodan Milosevic
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Surreyman
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Nay
Surreyman
William Black
Which does rather miss the point.
The rifle was issued to one, and one only, regiment of light cavalry.
All the rest kept smooth-bores...
Andrew Chaplin
news:94e27fe7-c71b-41b3...@o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
> On 28 Nov, 18:38, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>> William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> >Singanas@Texasgulfcoast wrote:
>> >> On Nov 25, 5:34 am, William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> So, �wandering through the deeper reaches of my bookshelves I
>> >>> happe
> ned
>> >>> across a book about British military long-arms and discovered
>> >>> that th
> e
>> >>> 10th Hussars (10th (Prince of Wales's Own) Regiment of (Light)
>> >>> Dragoo
> ns
>> >>> (Hussars) �) were issued with Baker rifled carbines in 1805, �jus
> t prior
>> >>> to their deployment to the Peninsula.
>>
>> >>> They fought right through that campaign and also at Waterloo.
>>
>> >>> Does anyone know anything about how they were deployed and if
>> >>> they developed any tactics for the use of their long range
>> >>> fire-power?
>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> "10th Hussars (10th (Prince of Wales's Own) Regiment of (Light)
>> >> Dragoons (Hussars) �) were issued with Baker rifled carbines in
>> >> 1805, just prior to their deployment to the Peninsula."
>> >>
>> >> I thought Wellington started the peninsula campaign in �Aug 1808.
>> >> That's the month and year my Brit ancestor (Jeremiah Baker)
>> >> sailed from Manchester docks....
>> >
>> >I didn't check, �I just lifted the paragraph from the book I was
>> >reading.
>> >I'm much more interested in the deployment of a regiment of rifle
>> >armed cavalry. �It just doesn't fit my preconception of British
>> >cavalry of the time.
>> >The very idea of rifle armed light cavalry must have been
>> >revolutionary,
>> >but it just hasn't entered the 'legend' of the period in the way
>> >the rifle armed infantry have.
>>
>> Is it possible that they were just horsing around?
>>
>> <runs for cover>
>
> Nay
This is about the Napoleonic Wars; that should be "Ney."
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
Paul J Gans
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Aren't you wanted for war crimes?
Paul J Gans
>Surreyman <alandavi...@googlemail.com> wrote in
>news:94e27fe7-c71b-41b3...@o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>> On 28 Nov, 18:38, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>>> William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >Singanas@Texasgulfcoast wrote:
>>> >> On Nov 25, 5:34 am, William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>> So, ?wandering through the deeper reaches of my bookshelves I
>>> >>> happe
>> ned
>>> >>> across a book about British military long-arms and discovered
>>> >>> that th
>> e
>>> >>> 10th Hussars (10th (Prince of Wales's Own) Regiment of (Light)
>>> >>> Dragoo
>> ns
>>> >>> (Hussars) ?) were issued with Baker rifled carbines in 1805, ?jus
>> t prior
>>> >>> to their deployment to the Peninsula.
>>>
>>> >>> They fought right through that campaign and also at Waterloo.
>>>
>>> >>> Does anyone know anything about how they were deployed and if
>>> >>> they developed any tactics for the use of their long range
>>> >>> fire-power?
>>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >> "10th Hussars (10th (Prince of Wales's Own) Regiment of (Light)
>>> >> Dragoons (Hussars) ?) were issued with Baker rifled carbines in
>>> >> 1805, just prior to their deployment to the Peninsula."
>>> >>
>>> >> I thought Wellington started the peninsula campaign in ?Aug 1808.
>>> >> That's the month and year my Brit ancestor (Jeremiah Baker)
>>> >> sailed from Manchester docks....
>>> >
>>> >I didn't check, ?I just lifted the paragraph from the book I was
>>> >reading.
>>> >I'm much more interested in the deployment of a regiment of rifle
>>> >armed cavalry. ?It just doesn't fit my preconception of British
>>> >cavalry of the time.
>>> >The very idea of rifle armed light cavalry must have been
>>> >revolutionary,
>>> >but it just hasn't entered the 'legend' of the period in the way
>>> >the rifle armed infantry have.
>>>
>>> Is it possible that they were just horsing around?
>>>
>>> <runs for cover>
>>
>> Nay
>This is about the Napoleonic Wars; that should be "Ney."
In general, yes. But in this particular case the neighs would
outweigh the yeahs.
John Dean
I think this is the man who rhymed Kirsty with thirsty so he's wanted for
Wark rhymes.
--
John Dean
Oxford
Surreyman
wrote:
>
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LOL!
We'll need to get shot of that then.
Surreyman
Ray O'Hara
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hetn5b$tet$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
like the rest they probably kept their firearms in their holder and just
acted as shock cavalry.
the English don't seem to have had much need for horse as skirmishers but
seeing how little they had they did need it for shock attacks.
William Black
They're hussars Ray, light cavalry.
So, first of all you're going to have to show that the British used
light cavalry as a shock weapon repeatedly and as a matter of course,
and second you're going to have to show that these expensive and
complicated weapons with a high training overhead were ignored when the
rifles issued to the skirmisher regiments were used so effectively.
Ray O'Hara
They still had sabers and knew how to use them.
William Black
So no evidence or examples at all, just the usual Ray-bollocks...
Singanas@Texasgulfcoast
> >news:hf2s6h$pl1$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> Ray O'Hara wrote:
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Well, horse sense tells me that a muzzle
loader with a rifled bore cannot be reloaded
on horseback without dropping something.
Maybe that's why the Brit cavalry did not
"get off" to the 1805 Baker. Black never said whether it was breech
or muzzle loaded.
David H
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William Black
It's a 'Baker carbine', like a cut down Baker rifle.
Muzzle loaded, flintlock, patch-box, the ramrod is retained by a
swivel bracket to stop the horseman dropping it when loading while
mounted on the horse.
It shoots a patched ball, the ball comes patched and already fitted
into a standard military cartridge of the day.
When they were told to replace it with the 1833 (Manton) Carbine they
refused (one assumes there's a letter somewhere on file from the
commanding officer) and insisted on retaining the rifled weapon.
There's no doubt they used the thing, there's no doubt that it could be
loaded while the soldier was mounted, there's no doubt the regiment
issued with them found them preferable to the more advanced smooth-bores
they were offered at a later date.
I want to know how they were used tactically.
(All technical details are from 'British Military Longarms 1715-1865' by
De Witt Bailey)