How long until the EXPERTS admit the Alluvial Fan that should be found at the Mouth of the River Murray in South Australia is missing
kangarooistan
at the Mouth of the River Murray in South Australia is missing
click here for article with pics and links and more detail
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
Tin dressing by Aborigines at Moolyella,1927. (Battye 003542d)
http://www.migrationheritage.nsw.gov.au/exhibitions/winghinglong/images/tin-mining.jpg
http://www.migrationheritage.nsw.gov.au/exhibitions/winghinglong/images/tin-mining.jpg
Tingha, NSW
click to enlarge
click here for article with pics and links and more detail
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
Wing Hing Long c.1900. Tingha had the appearance of a ramshackle
frontier town. UNE Heritage Centre.
See what the store looks like today »
click here for article with pics and links and more detail
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
Tingha is typical of most rural townships in NSW. It was founded on
Aboriginal land in the 19th century by Europeans pursuing economic
opportunities. In the early 19th century the area was used for sheep
grazing by colonial squatters.
Tin ore was discovered at Tingha in 1870 and a thriving mining
industry developed soon after. Like most mining booms it attracted
people of all nationalities from all over the world seeking their
fortune.
At the peak of the tin boom in the early 1880s Tingha was the largest
tin-producing region in NSW and the area attracted a population of
4000 – 5000 of whom approximately 900 were Chinese. The township of
Tingha started as a mining camp created to accommodate and service the
population of miners.
http://standeyo.com/NEWS/09_Food_Water/09_Food_Water_pics/090217.murray-darling-basin.jpg
http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0012/11352/mineral_sands_fig_1.gif
http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0012/11352/mineral_sands_fig_1.gif
http://www.minerals.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0013/11353/mineral_sands_fig_2.gif
http://www.minerals.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0013/11353/mineral_sands_fig_2.gif
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0004/94981/hotspot_2006_4.jpg
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0004/94981/hotspot_2006_4.jpg
Somebody removed it 3000 years ago
http://www.nrm.gov.au/business-plan/images/coastcare-coorong.gif
Alluvial fan
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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A vast alluvial fan blossoms across the desolate landscape between the
Kunlun and Altun mountain ranges that form the southern border of the
Taklamakan Desert in Xinjiang. The left side is the active part of the
fan, and appears blue from water flowing in the many small streams
Credit: NASA/GSFC/METI/ERSDAC/JAROS/ASTER
Alluvial fan in Death Valley
Alluvial fan in the French Pyrenees
An alluvial fan is a fan-shaped deposit formed where a fast flowing
stream flattens, slows, and spreads typically at the exit of a canyon
onto a flatter plain. A convergence of neighboring alluvial fans into
a single apron of deposits against a slope is called a bajada, or
compound alluvial fan.[1]
click here for article with pics and links and more detail
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
[edit] Formation
Owing to the flow as stream gradient decreases, coarse-grained solid
material carried by the water is dropped. As this reduces the capacity
of the channel, the channel will change direction over time, gradually
building up a slightly mounded or shallow conical fan shape. The
deposits are usually poorly-sorted.[1] [2] This fan shape can also be
explained with a thermodynamic justification: the system of sediment
introduced at the apex of the fan will tend to a state which minimizes
the sum of the transport energy involved in moving the sediment and
the gravitational potential of material in the cone. There will be iso-
transport energy lines forming concentric arcs about the discharge
point at the apex of the fan. Thus the material will tend to be
deposited equally about these lines, forming the characteristic cone
shape.
[edit] In arid climates
Alluvial fans are often found in desert areas subject to periodic
flash floods from nearby thunderstorms in local hills. They are common
around the margins of the sedimentary basins of the Basin and Range
province of southwestern North America. The typical watercourse in an
arid climate has a large, funnel-shaped basin at the top, leading to a
narrow defile, which opens out into an alluvial fan at the bottom.
Multiple braided streams are usually present and active during water
flows.
MORE
click here for article with pics and links and more detail
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
click here IF you want to know who took the Alluvial fan when and why
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dcgk9t7p_57cb6s8pgk&hl=en
LloydB
> How long until the EXPERTS admit the Alluvial Fan that should be found
> at the Mouth of the River Murray in South Australia is missing
>
The EXPERTS you refer to are extremely
unlikely to be archaeologists. Or, for that
matter, historians.
Please stop cross-posting to sci.archaeology.
(We have enough hobbyhorse pilots here
without adding to the stable.)
kangarooistan
> On Jul 21, 5:00 pm, kangarooistan <kangarooist...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > How long until the EXPERTS admit the Alluvial Fan that should be found
> > at the Mouth of the River Murray in South Australia is missing
>
> The EXPERTS you refer to are extremely
> unlikely to be archaeologists. Or, for that
> matter, historians.
>
> Please stop cross-posting to sci.archaeology.
>
> (We have enough hobbyhorse pilots here
> without adding to the stable.)
Very interesting observation LoydB
I see , is it only YOUR hobby horses that are permitted oxygen ??
Or do you think the history of mans manipulation of the biggest river
in Australia has nothing to offer Archaeology or history ???
People who think like you mate are exactly WHY Archaeologists and
historians STILL dont know who was mining " tin " at the mouth of the
river Murray 3000 years ago , mate
People who think like you mate , are the reason Historians and
Archaeologists STILL dont know what caused the Bronze age collapse
WHEN they discover who removed the fan from the mouth of the river
Murray 3000 years ago , they will KNOW why the ancient world
COLLAPSED about 3000 years ago when the " sea People / Phoenicians "
were over run , and the trade links to the largest supplies of easy
won " tin / black sand " was LOST
People like YOU Lloyd , IMHO , are the problem with Historians and
Archaeologists mate
One day in years to come , when the REAL Archaeologists and REAL
historians eventually work out WHO took the " tin / black sand "from
the mouth of the River Murray 3000 odd years ago future students will
be totally AMAZED at how long it actually took to " educate ' the so
called expwerts who refuse to even " see " there is a link
EXACTLY like you yourself just did Lloyd
I know history and archaeology are not everybody " cup of tea " and
Australian ancient history even less " interesting " compared to other
ancient cultures mate
I can understand you apparent position , but I do EXPECT any REAL
historian/ Archaeologist to at least permit people to examine the
matter on all the groups I cross post to
Its certainly NOT every bodies " must read " , not one in a million
will be interested , but once the topic is up on lone for review in
due time those google searching in FUTURE will be able to see my
observations and POV , and perhaps ADD to it in years to come ,mate
Please ignore the topics if you are not interested
wait until the REAL experts eventually " discover " the ancient' sea
peoples / Phoenicians " mined the area over several thousand years ,
for " tin / black sand " over 3000years ago , and supplied about 90%
of the bronze age "tin / back sands " , from the fan at the mouth of
the River Murray in South Australia
And future generations can see how hard it was to deal with the so
called experts in 2009 , pretty much like the experts in all
disciplines , it seems , in all history
EXPERTS are often the slowest to accept the newest facts , its the
younger amateurs who can " see / think " outside the sq that find the
hidden stuff , often right under the experts noses
In time it IS actually possible to educate even EXPERTS mate
be patient though , it can take decades
kanga
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Eric Stevens
<kangaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>How long until the EXPERTS admit the Alluvial Fan that should be found
>at the Mouth of the River Murray in South Australia is missing
>
>click here for article with pics and links and more detail
>http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
>
>Tin dressing by Aborigines at Moolyella,1927. (Battye 003542d)
Google Earth says Moolyella is in NW Australia, some very considerable
distance from the Coorong.
>
>http://www.migrationheritage.nsw.gov.au/exhibitions/winghinglong/images/tin-mining.jpg
>http://www.migrationheritage.nsw.gov.au/exhibitions/winghinglong/images/tin-mining.jpg
>Tingha, NSW
Tinga, NSW is hundreds of miles from the Coorong.
>
>click to enlarge
>click here for article with pics and links and more detail
>http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
>
>Wing Hing Long c.1900. Tingha had the appearance of a ramshackle
>frontier town. UNE Heritage Centre.
>
>See what the store looks like today �
>click here for article with pics and links and more detail
>http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
--- snip more irrelevancies ----
Eric Stevens
kangarooistan
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:00:46 -0700 (PDT), kangarooistan
>
> >How long until the EXPERTS admit the Alluvial Fan that should be found
> >at the Mouth of the River Murray in South Australia is missing
>
> >click here for article with pics and links and more detail
> >http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
>
> >Tin dressing by Aborigines at Moolyella,1927. (Battye 003542d)
>
> Google Earth says Moolyella is in NW Australia, some very considerable
> distance from the Coorong.
>
>
>
> >http://www.migrationheritage.nsw.gov.au/exhibitions/winghinglong/imag...
> >Tingha, NSW
>
> Tinga, NSW is hundreds of miles from the Coorong.
>
>
>
> >click to enlarge
> >click here for article with pics and links and more detail
> >http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
>
> >Wing Hing Long c.1900. Tingha had the appearance of a ramshackle
> >frontier town. UNE Heritage Centre.
>
> >See what the store looks like today »
> >click here for article with pics and links and more detail
> >http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
>
> --- snip more irrelevancies ----
>
here some nice pics you may enjoy
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dcgk9t7p_66g2npndcb&hl=en
Clearly you have lots of time and limited IQ , though you may enjoy a
few nice snaps , mate
Leave the hard bits of the grown ups , mate
kanga
=======
Eric Stevens
Try this one.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3444/3745020371_3722945cc9_b.jpg Its
just up the road from Oodnadata. I took it myself.
You see, I do know what you are talking about, and I also know you are
talking rubbish.
>Leave the hard bits of the grown ups , mate
>
>kanga
>=======
Eric Stevens
kangarooistan
> Try this one.http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3444/3745020371_3722945cc9_b.jpgIts
> just up the road from Oodnadata. I took it myself.
>
That PROVES you own and can use a camera , and I am very impressed
mate
And you know how beautiful South Australian camels are
WHY not stick to photography and leave the research to REAL EXPERTS
mate ??
>
.
> You see, I do know what you are talking about, and I also know you are
> talking rubbish.
See mate , there you go AGAIN
You offer NO proof except your own poorly informed opinion as EVIDENCE
I am wrong
DESPITE mountains of HARD evidence you remain locked into a state of
denial mate
Tom McDonald
> at the Mouth of the River Murray in South Australia is missing
>
>
> Tin dressing by Aborigines at Moolyella,1927. (Battye 003542d)
>
> Tingha, NSW
>
> click to enlarge
>
> Wing Hing Long c.1900. Tingha had the appearance of a ramshackle
> frontier town. UNE Heritage Centre.
>
> See what the store looks like today »
>
> Tingha is typical of most rural townships in NSW. It was founded on
> Aboriginal land in the 19th century by Europeans pursuing economic
> opportunities. In the early 19th century the area was used for sheep
> grazing by colonial squatters.
>
> Tin ore was discovered at Tingha in 1870 and a thriving mining
> industry developed soon after. Like most mining booms it attracted
> people of all nationalities from all over the world seeking their
> fortune.
>
> At the peak of the tin boom in the early 1880s Tingha was the largest
> tin-producing region in NSW and the area attracted a population of
> 4000 – 5000 of whom approximately 900 were Chinese. The township of
> Tingha started as a mining camp created to accommodate and service the
> population of miners.
>
>
> http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0012/11352/mineral_sands...
>
> http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0012/11352/mineral_sands...http://www.minerals.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0013/11353/mine...http://www.minerals.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0013/11353/mine...
>
> http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0004/94981/hotspot_2006...http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0004/94981/hotspot_2006...
>
> Somebody removed it 3000 years agohttp://www.nrm.gov.au/business-plan/images/coastcare-coorong.gif
> Alluvial fan
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> Jump to: navigation, search
> A vast alluvial fan blossoms across the desolate landscape between the
> Kunlun and Altun mountain ranges that form the southern border of the
> Taklamakan Desert in Xinjiang. The left side is the active part of the
> fan, and appears blue from water flowing in the many small streams
> Credit: NASA/GSFC/METI/ERSDAC/JAROS/ASTER
> Alluvial fan in Death Valley
> Alluvial fan in the French Pyrenees
>
> An alluvial fan is a fan-shaped deposit formed where a fast flowing
> stream flattens, slows, and spreads typically at the exit of a canyon
> onto a flatter plain. A convergence of neighboring alluvial fans into
> a single apron of deposits against a slope is called a bajada, or
> compound alluvial fan.[1]
>
>
> [edit] Formation
>
> Owing to the flow as stream gradient decreases, coarse-grained solid
> material carried by the water is dropped. As this reduces the capacity
> of the channel, the channel will change direction over time, gradually
> building up a slightly mounded or shallow conical fan shape. The
> deposits are usually poorly-sorted.[1] [2] This fan shape can also be
> explained with a thermodynamic justification: the system of sediment
> introduced at the apex of the fan will tend to a state which minimizes
> the sum of the transport energy involved in moving the sediment and
> the gravitational potential of material in the cone. There will be iso-
> transport energy lines forming concentric arcs about the discharge
> point at the apex of the fan. Thus the material will tend to be
> deposited equally about these lines, forming the characteristic cone
> shape.
>
> [edit] In arid climates
>
> Alluvial fans are often found in desert areas subject to periodic
> flash floods from nearby thunderstorms in local hills. They are common
> around the margins of the sedimentary basins of the Basin and Range
> province of southwestern North America. The typical watercourse in an
> arid climate has a large, funnel-shaped basin at the top, leading to a
> narrow defile, which opens out into an alluvial fan at the bottom.
> Multiple braided streams are usually present and active during water
> flows.
>
> MORE
>
> click here IF you want to know who took the Alluvial fan when and whyhttp://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dcgk9t7p_57cb6s8pgk&hl=en
I'm curious as to why you would expect an alluvial fan at the mouth of
the Murray, instead of the dune-like barrier island(s) of the
Coorong?
Look at a river with a similar average flow rate, the Perdido River
that forms the western border between the American states of Alabama
and Florida. (On Google Maps, I found many similar situations with
other rivers; but the Perdido, as I mentioned, carries a roughly
equivalent amount of water to the Murray.)
The mouth of the Perdido looks a lot like the mouth of the Murray,
with a bay behind long, dune-like islands. I wonder what mechanism,
other than mining, you think explains the situation at the mouth of
the Perdido? Or do you think that most/all of these landforms are due
to mining?
As for your references to alluvial fans, they refer to the outflow of
rivers onto plains, not into the sea. Seas often have currents that
run across the mouths of rivers, carrying sand, etc, along the coast,
rather than straight out to sea. This results in what we see at the
mouth of the Perdido, and at the mouth of the Murray.
LloydB
> On Jul 21, 5:00 pm, kangarooistan <kangarooist...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm curious as to why you would expect an alluvial fan at the mouth of
> the Murray, instead of the dune-like barrier island(s) of the
> Coorong?
>
> Look at a river with a similar average flow rate, the Perdido River
> that forms the western border between the American states of Alabama
> and Florida. (On Google Maps, I found many similar situations with
> other rivers; but the Perdido, as I mentioned, carries a roughly
> equivalent amount of water to the Murray.)
>
> The mouth of the Perdido looks a lot like the mouth of the Murray,
> with a bay behind long, dune-like islands. I wonder what mechanism,
> other than mining, you think explains the situation at the mouth of
> the Perdido? Or do you think that most/all of these landforms are due
> to mining?
>
> As for your references to alluvial fans, they refer to the outflow of
> rivers onto plains, not into the sea. Seas often have currents that
> run across the mouths of rivers, carrying sand, etc, along the coast,
> rather than straight out to sea. This results in what we see at the
> mouth of the Perdido, and at the mouth of the Murray.
I'm not at all ashamed to admit that I was wrong.
The folks is sci.archeology *do* know more about the subject than the
OP.
glavallin
Tom McDonald <kil...@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed - generally known as Longshore Drift.
> This results in what we see at the
> mouth of the Perdido, and at the mouth of the Murray.
>
--
Geoff
kangarooistan
> On Jul 21, 5:00 pm, kangarooistan <kangarooist...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > How long until the EXPERTS admit the Alluvial Fan that should be found
> > at the Mouth of the River Murray in South Australia is missing
>
> > click here for article with pics and links and more detailhttp://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
>
> > Tin dressing by Aborigines at Moolyella,1927. (Battye 003542d)
>
> > Tingha, NSW
>
> > click to enlarge
> > click here for article with pics and links and more detailhttp://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
>
> > Wing Hing Long c.1900. Tingha had the appearance of a ramshackle
> > frontier town. UNE Heritage Centre.
>
> > See what the store looks like today »
> > click here for article with pics and links and more detailhttp://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
>
> > Tingha is typical of most rural townships in NSW. It was founded on
> > Aboriginal land in the 19th century by Europeans pursuing economic
> > opportunities. In the early 19th century the area was used for sheep
> > grazing by colonial squatters.
>
> > Tin ore was discovered at Tingha in 1870 and a thriving mining
> > industry developed soon after. Like most mining booms it attracted
> > people of all nationalities from all over the world seeking their
> > fortune.
>
> > At the peak of the tin boom in the early 1880s Tingha was the largest
> > tin-producing region in NSW and the area attracted a population of
> > 4000 – 5000 of whom approximately 900 were Chinese. The township of
> > Tingha started as a mining camp created to accommodate and service the
> > population of miners.
>
> >http://standeyo.com/NEWS/09_Food_Water/09_Food_Water_pics/090217.murr...
>
> >http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0012/11352/mineral_sands...
>
>
> >http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0004/94981/hotspot_2006......
This is an EXCELLENT find mate
> As for your references to alluvial fans, they refer to the outflow of
> rivers onto plains, not into the sea. Seas often have currents that
> run across the mouths of rivers, carrying sand, etc, along the coast,
> rather than straight out to sea. This results in what we see at the
> mouth of the Perdido, and at the mouth of the Murray.
I will examine this site with great pleasure INDEED
It looks almost exactly like the Mouth Of The Murray / Lower Lakes
INDEED
Now I can compare the 2 sites to see IF there is even MORE evidence
that 3000 years ago a million tons of HMS / black sand was removed
from the site in South Australia
At FIRST casual glance I admit they LOOK similar
My research has considered the volume of material eroded over several
MILLION sq km to a depth of 3000 over the last 500 million years that
has run down the 3375km Murray Darling SLUICE
I note the river you mention was only 100 km long , but to be fair I
will need to calculate how many millions of cubic km of material has
run down the said river to establish IF they are really as comparable
as you say
SIZE is important TOM
I know of local " streams " that do indeed look exactly like the
rivers you describe
BUT fail the the test when SIZE / AGE / and volume are compared , a
million years and 500 million years , and 100 km and a 3375 km river
with a million sq km erorion to depth of 3000 meters or 30 meters
will look quite similar on maps and in pics , but quite different in
reality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Perdidorivermap.png
http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0012/11352/mineral_sands_fig_1.gif
I will INDEED with great pleasure mate use you kind assistance to
further TEST my site
It will take time , I will do the maths mate
I will use ages / areas / sediment/ erosion comparisons and adjust
them to see if we can drawn any further evidence from you keen
observation
ITS EXACTLY what I hoped for
REAL meat ,
not POV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Perdidorivermap.png
Thanks HEAPS mate
I remain convinced the site in South Australia will INDEED hold out as
an ancient mine site as their really is a truly VAST VAST body of
evidence available for those interested enough to invest their time ,
sadly an ancient mine is south Australia wont ever excite many people
as we all know it not real hot topic for most people
Tom McDonald
But that 500 million years figure is not necessarily useful for this
purpose. One would have to take into account plate tectonics, uplift
(as well as erosion), and sea levels.
My first thought was that the numerous ice ages since the Cambrian
have lowered sea levels from today's 'normal' level, which would
result in long-lived rivers having taken much of the previously-
deposited material far out to sea. The sea has only been at its
current general level for a few thousand years -- in the Holocene.
Therefore, the features we see at the mouth of the Murray have little
to do with the deep time you mention.
> I note the river you mention was only 100 km long , but to be fair I
> will need to calculate how many millions of cubic km of material has
> run down the said river to establish IF they are really as comparable
> as you say
> SIZE is important TOM
>
> I know of local " streams " that do indeed look exactly like the
> rivers you describe
>
> BUT fail the the test when SIZE / AGE / and volume are compared , a
> million years and 500 million years , and 100 km and a 3375 km river
> with a million sq km erorion to depth of 3000 meters or 30 meters
> will look quite similar on maps and in pics , but quite different in
> realityhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Perdidorivermap.pnghttp://www.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0012/11352/mineral_sands...
See above. I don't think the age is relevant. The size may be
relevant, but I did choose the Perdido for its general similarity in
the matter of the size of its flow.
> I will INDEED with great pleasure mate use you kind assistance to
> further TEST my site
>
> It will take time , I will do the maths mate
>
> I will use ages / areas / sediment/ erosion comparisons and adjust
> them to see if we can drawn any further evidence from you keen
> observation
>
> ITS EXACTLY what I hoped for
>
> REAL meat ,
> not POVhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Perdidorivermap.png
>
> Thanks HEAPS mate
>
> I remain convinced the site in South Australia will INDEED hold out as
> an ancient mine site as their really is a truly VAST VAST body of
> evidence available for those interested enough to invest their time ,
> sadly an ancient mine is south Australia wont ever excite many people
> as we all know it not real hot topic for most people
I would be very surprised if the Coorong turns out to be anything
other than a dune-like barrier island created by the sand, etc, in the
Murray combined with the long-shore drift glavallin mentioned.
But I have been very surprised before.
Jack Linthicum
>
> See above. I don't think the age is relevant. The size may be
> relevant, but I did choose the Perdido for its general similarity in
> the matter of the size of its flow.
>
>
>
> > I will INDEED with great pleasure mate use you kind assistance to
> > further TEST my site
>
> > It will take time , I will do the maths mate
>
> > I will use ages / areas / sediment/ erosion comparisons and adjust
> > them to see if we can drawn any further evidence from you keen
> > observation
>
> > ITS EXACTLY what I hoped for
>
> > REAL meat ,
> > not POVhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Perdidorivermap.png
>
> > Thanks HEAPS mate
>
> > I remain convinced the site in South Australia will INDEED hold out as
> > an ancient mine site as their really is a truly VAST VAST body of
> > evidence available for those interested enough to invest their time ,
> > sadly an ancient mine is south Australia wont ever excite many people
> > as we all know it not real hot topic for most people
>
> I would be very surprised if the Coorong turns out to be anything
> other than a dune-like barrier island created by the sand, etc, in the
> Murray combined with the long-shore drift glavallin mentioned.
>
> But I have been very surprised before.
I remember asking people I knew in Adelaide about the offshore
islands, which resemble those along the Gulf of Mexico and Eastern
United States. Mainly as their future for resorts. Their answer :
sharks.
Eric Stevens
>> Try this one. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3444/3745020371_3722945cc9_b.jpgIts
>> just up the road from Oodnadata. I took it myself.
>>
>Thats a GREAT snap Eric
>
>That PROVES you own and can use a camera , and I am very impressed
>mate
>
>And you know how beautiful South Australian camels are
>
>WHY not stick to photography and leave the research to REAL EXPERTS
>mate ??
>
>
>>
>.
>> You see, I do know what you are talking about, and I also know you are
>> talking rubbish.
>
>See mate , there you go AGAIN
>
>You offer NO proof except your own poorly informed opinion as EVIDENCE
>I am wrong
>
>DESPITE mountains of HARD evidence you remain locked into a state of
>denial mate
>>
>Leave the hard bits of the grown ups , �mate
>
The problem is that the 'hard evidence' you keep going on about has,
so far, had nothing to do with Casseritite in South Australia. You
have been able to produce nothing to suggest that the Coorong was once
full of tin.
Instead you rely on the bizarre argument that, seeing there is none
there, it has all been taken away! You have completely ignored my
counter-argument that it is not casseritite that has been mined, but
coal. You don't believe me? Of course the coal has been mined. There
is none there.
Eric Stevens
George
> On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:20:29 -0700 (PDT), kangarooistan
>
>
>
And the diamonds
pyotr filipivich
kangarooistan <kangaro...@gmail.com> wrote on Tue, 21 Jul 2009
15:00:46 -0700 (PDT) in soc.history.what-if :
>How long until the EXPERTS admit the Alluvial Fan that should be found
>at the Mouth of the River Murray in South Australia is missing
Two questions: 1) Why would that be significant?
B) What's it to me?
tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr Filipivich
"Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and
lock phasers on the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter
room three. Christopher Robin, you have the bridge."
pyotr filipivich
<gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote on Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:46:24 -0700 (PDT) in
soc.history.what-if :
>
>> >> You see, I do know what you are talking about, and I also know you are
>> >> talking rubbish.
>>
>> >See mate , there you go AGAIN
>>
>> >You offer NO proof except your own poorly informed opinion as EVIDENCE
>> >I am wrong
>>
>> >DESPITE mountains of HARD evidence you remain locked into a state of
>> >denial mate
>>
>> >Leave the hard bits of the grown ups , �mate
>>
>> The problem is that the 'hard evidence' you keep going on about has,
>> so far, had nothing to do with Casseritite in South Australia. You
>> have been able to produce nothing to suggest that the Coorong was once
>> full of tin.
>>
>> Instead you rely on the bizarre argument that, seeing there is none
>> there, it has all been taken away! You have completely ignored my
>> counter-argument that it is not casseritite that has been mined, but
>> coal. You don't believe me? Of course the coal has been mined. There
>> is none there.
>>
>> Eric Stevens
>
>And the diamonds
Damnation, they got the diamonds, already?
Dag-nabbed claim jumping varmints! I'll bet it was that long ear
galoot of a rabbit. Ha! 'took a wrong turn at Albuquerque' my Aunt
Minny!
I'll bet he got the gold too!
Phil McGregor
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>[Default] I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that George
><gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote on Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:46:24 -0700 (PDT) in
>soc.history.what-if :
>>
>>> >> You see, I do know what you are talking about, and I also know you are
>>> >> talking rubbish.
>>>
>>> >See mate , there you go AGAIN
>>>
>>> >You offer NO proof except your own poorly informed opinion as EVIDENCE
>>> >I am wrong
>>>
>>> >DESPITE mountains of HARD evidence you remain locked into a state of
>>> >denial mate
>>>
>>> >Leave the hard bits of the grown ups , ÔøΩmate
>>>
>>> The problem is that the 'hard evidence' you keep going on about has,
>>> so far, had nothing to do with Casseritite in South Australia. You
>>> have been able to produce nothing to suggest that the Coorong was once
>>> full of tin.
>>>
>>> Instead you rely on the bizarre argument that, seeing there is none
>>> there, it has all been taken away! You have completely ignored my
>>> counter-argument that it is not casseritite that has been mined, but
>>> coal. You don't believe me? Of course the coal has been mined. There
>>> is none there.
>>>
>>> Eric Stevens
>>
>>And the diamonds
>
> Damnation, they got the diamonds, already?
>
> Dag-nabbed claim jumping varmints! I'll bet it was that long ear
>galoot of a rabbit. Ha! 'took a wrong turn at Albuquerque' my Aunt
>Minny!
> I'll bet he got the gold too!
Nah, that was those damned Portuguese chappies on board the Black
Ships ;-)
Assisted by the Alien Space Bats, probably.
Phil
kangarooistan
> On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:20:29 -0700 (PDT), kangarooistan
>
>
>
still noting to offer mate ??
i was SURE I ask you to go play your games else where , MATE
Be a good boy and leave the big issues for big people , mate
clearly its WAY over your head mate
there is simply no way you could digest such raw facts , please wait
until a nice coffee table editions gets produced that is more in
keeping with your skill set mate
No offense meant mate
I BET you are real good at lots of stuff
INSIGHT seems not one of your strong points mate
We ALL have our strong and our weak spots
Perhaps I may NEED your skills to produce the COFFEE TABLE version
once the REAL WORKS is done mate
the "average joe" will NEVER EVER understand what on earth I refer
to , without a NICE COFFEE TABLE version
I actually suspect Im incapable of , or bothering producing "coffee
table" glossy presentations , those who KNOW will catch on IF THEY
WISH to investigate my evidence , you mate certainly are not one of
them
FAR FAR TOO much stuff need sand attracts my time mate to play
childish word games with your type
Heres a bit more you need to IGNORE mate, its all RAW unexamined stuff
to start a comparison with the EXCELLENT contribution suggested by TOM
mac
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_69g3tgc7g7
Its unsorted snippets so far
I myself need to examine the detail
, but it will , like all other evidence , prove very valuable , all
evidence examined so far its like a GLOVE , and so will this in due
time
the LARGEST MINE IN ALL HISTORY IS INDEED IN SOUTH AUSTRALIA AT THE
MOUTH OF THE RIVER MURRAY
It is over 2000 years old
a MILLION tons of black sand was removed from the site
The VOLUME of evidence is OVER WHELMING
It will only take a FEW decades for the EXPERTS to die off , and the
NEW scholar to admit I AM INDEED RIGHT
We all know how the system works mate
Ive come across your type many times mate , control FREAK X ??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_freak
i hear there is a cure mate
kanga
======
kanga
=====
kangarooistan
wrote:
.
> I remember asking people I knew in Adelaide about the offshore
> islands, which resemble those along the Gulf of Mexico and Eastern
> United States. Mainly as their future for resorts. Their answer :
> sharks.
YEP not only the biggest mine in ALL history jack
we also got the
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m3/mar2008/4/9/A860630B-0530-6C72-0204BC32582E5F06.jpg
friendliest sharks TOO , there are many pictures showing them being "
patted '
But Im a Landlubber meself mate
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVpOXG2fYkS8ZGNnazl0N3BfNjZnMm5wbmRjYg&hl=en
kanga
====
kangarooistan
>
> See above. I don't think the age is relevant. The size may be
> relevant, but I did choose the Perdido for its general similarity in
> the matter of the size of its flow.
>
>
>
> > I will INDEED with great pleasure mate use you kind assistance to
> > further TEST my site
>
> > It will take time , I will do the maths mate
>
> > I will use ages / areas / sediment/ erosion comparisons and adjust
> > them to see if we can drawn any further evidence from you keen
> > observation
>
> > ITS EXACTLY what I hoped for
>
> > REAL meat ,
> > not POVhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Perdidorivermap.png
>
> > Thanks HEAPS mate
>
> > I remain convinced the site in South Australia will INDEED hold out as
> > an ancient mine site as their really is a truly VAST VAST body of
> > evidence available for those interested enough to invest their time ,
> > sadly an ancient mine is south Australia wont ever excite many people
> > as we all know it not real hot topic for most people
>
> I would be very surprised if the Coorong turns out to be anything
> other than a dune-like barrier island created by the sand, etc, in the
> Murray combined with the long-shore drift glavallin mentioned.
>
.
> But I have been very surprised before.
AND I have been wrong before toomate
BUT onthis occassion Im quite sure the amount of evidence is simply
over whelming
Most of it I have not mentioned as intimate knowledge of the area and
Aboriginal languages and ' myths ' and location of various features
only make sense on site in real time
Unless you " see " it and let it all SLOWLY sink in it really does not
make anysense
I KNOW Im right
Proving to EXPERTS will take time
Im very happy to wait until they eventually examine the FACTS mate
It ALWAYS takes time , ALWAYS , to make such a big leap , and its only
been 50 years since I first noticed there WAS vast mining activity pre
European settlement
Some mines dug in 1850s are DUG THROUGH ancient mine tailing heaps ,
hence my earlier discovery of an ancient iron tool in ancient mine
waste
I am very very happy you found a site that can serve as a " control
" , the similarities are great
Their difference MAY hold even MORE proof once examined
I have STARTED to gather the details mate
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_69g3tgc7g7
It will take some time to examine the 2 sites for evidence , once both
sites are examined , I can THEN compare the similarities , and
differences , as you note there are NOT IDENTICAL , but nature is ,
and always has obeyed the same LAWS
Im simply " gathering " stuff so far , we can pull it apart in due
time
, Ill post it up , IF you care to follow or assist I would be grateful
mate
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_69g3tgc7g7
kanga
=====
Jack Linthicum
> > I remember asking people I knew in Adelaide about the offshore
> > islands, which resemble those along the Gulf of Mexico and Eastern
> > United States. Mainly as their future for resorts. Their answer :
> > sharks.
>
> YEP not only the biggest mine in ALL history jack
>
> we also got the
> http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m3/mar2008/4/9/A860630B-0530-6C72-0204...
>
> friendliest sharks TOO , there are many pictures showing them being "
> patted '
>
> But Im a Landlubber meself matehttp://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVpOXG2fYkS8ZGNnazl0N3BfNjZnMm5wbmR...
>
> kanga
> ====
Sure you did
http://www.oceanfootage.com/stockfootage/Great_White_Shark_Teeth
kangarooistan
wrote:
> On Jul 22, 6:27 pm, kangarooistan <kangarooist...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > I remember asking people I knew in Adelaide about the offshore
> > > islands, which resemble those along the Gulf of Mexico and Eastern
> > > United States. Mainly as their future for resorts. Their answer :
> > > sharks.
>
> > YEP not only the biggest mine in ALL history jack
>
> > we also got the
> > http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m3/mar2008/4/9/A860630B-0530-6C72-0204...
>
> > friendliest sharks TOO , there are many pictures showing them being "
> > patted '
>
> > But Im a Landlubber meself matehttp://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVpOXG2fYkS8ZGNnazl0N3BfNjZnMm5wbmR...
>
> > kanga
> > ====
>
.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/18/article-1036255-01FC7CBE00000578-779_468x515.jpg
kangarooistan
> In message <1413e7bf-c341-436d-88db-2315adff2...@m11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
> Tom McDonald <kilt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > As for your references to alluvial fans, they refer to the outflow of
> > rivers onto plains, not into the sea. Seas often have currents that
> > run across the mouths of rivers, carrying sand, etc, along the coast,
> > rather than straight out to sea.
>
> Agreed - generally known as Longshore Drift.
>
> > This results in what we see at the
> > mouth of the Perdido, and at the mouth of the Murray.
A very well understood and VISIBLE occurrence seen in HUNDREDS of
"Stranded Beach lines " very well documented and understood
thats WHY I posted these links in my OP
http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0012/11352/mineral_sands_fig_1.gif
http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0012/11352/mineral_sands_fig_1.gif
http://www.minerals.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0013/11353/mineral_sands_fig_2.gif
http://www.minerals.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0013/11353/mineral_sands_fig_2.gif
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0004/94981/hotspot_2006_4.jpg
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0004/94981/hotspot_2006_4.jpg
>
> --
>
> Geoff
kangarooistan
> I'm curious as to why you would expect an alluvial fan at the mouth of
> the Murray, instead of the dune-like barrier island(s) of the
> Coorong?
YEP the LOOK identical
>
> Look at a river with a similar average flow rate, the Perdido River
> that forms the western border between the American states of Alabama
> and Florida. (On Google Maps, I found many similar situations with
> other rivers; but the Perdido, as I mentioned, carries a roughly
> equivalent amount of water to the Murray.)
>
YEP they have similar flow
> The mouth of the Perdido looks a lot like the mouth of the Murray,
> with a bay behind long, dune-like islands. I wonder what mechanism,
> other than mining, you think explains the situation at the mouth of
> the Perdido? Or do you think that most/all of these landforms are due
> to mining?
the FACT that your river / lakes are only 10% as big hence in the
lakes the mouth would be much more likely to remain OPEN , due to
increased effective flow IMHO
>
> As for your references to alluvial fans, they refer to the outflow of
> rivers onto plains, not into the sea. Seas often have currents that
> run across the mouths of rivers, carrying sand, etc, along the coast,
> rather than straight out to sea. This results in what we see at the
> mouth of the Perdido, and at the mouth of the Murray.
STILL crunching number but I suspect THIS will account for the main
difference between the 2 sites , a SLOWER flow = more sedimentaion
there should be very little in the way of a LAKE or a COORONG in
South australia looking at the ancient older beaches seen further
INLAND
This document is published on the web.
document is publicly viewable at: with links and pics
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_69g3tgc7g7
Perdido River
Perdido River
Length 60 miles (100 km)
Perdido Pass, the mouth of the Perdido River and Perdido Bay at Orange
Beach, Alabama. Alabama State Route 182 crosses the inlet.
Perdido Bay makes up the border between Florida and Alabama. Perdido
Bay encompasses an area of about 50 square miles = 139 sq km
10% of the size of lower Murray Lakes and Coorong which is 500 Sq
miles
The Perdido River is a river in the U.S. states of Alabama and
Florida, approximately 60 miles (100 km) long.
Nice satelite pic of area at mouth of mobile bay includes Perdido Bay
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/MobileBay.jpg
The comparison between this area and lake Alexandrina / lake Albert
and Coorong is being tested / compared
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Alexandrina_(South_Australia)
Lake Alexandrina is a lake in South Australia, Australia, adjacent to
the coast of the Southern Ocean, about 100 kilometres south-east of
Adelaide.
Lake Alexandrina is located north of Encounter Bay and east of
Fleurieu Peninsula.
The Murray River is the major river to flow into Lake Alexandrina.
Others include the Bremer, Angas, and Finniss Rivers, all from the
eastern side of the southern Mount Lofty Ranges.
The lake is shallow and contains a number of islands near the
southern end. The lake empties into the sea near Goolwa (the channel
is known as the Murray Mouth), but when the river flow is low the
entrance is often blocked by a sand-bar. Originally subjected to tidal
and storm inflows of seawater the lake is now maintained as fresh
water by a series of barrages across the islands near the Murray
Mouth.
Lake Albert ( [show location on an interactive map] 35°37′S
139°18′E / 35.617°S 139.3°E / -35.617; 139.3) is a notionally fresh
water lake near the mouth of the Murray River. It is filled by water
flowing in from Lake Alexandrina at its mouth near Narrung. It is
separated on the south by the Narrung Peninsula from the salt-water
Coorong. The only major town on the lake is Meningie.
Lower Lakes, Coorong and Murray Mouth
An aerial view of the Murray Mouth and Coorong
An aerial view of the Murray Mouth and Coorong
Photo: Michael Bell
A unique and significant estuary
The Lower Lakes, Coorong and Murray Mouth extend over approximately
140,000 hectares, /1,400 sq km /aprox 500 sq miles
Li Wan
> I'm curious as to why you would expect an alluvial fan at the mouth of
> the Murray, instead of the dune-like barrier island(s) of the
> Coorong?
>
> Look at a river with a similar average flow rate, the Perdido River
> that forms the western border between the American states of Alabama
> and Florida. (On Google Maps, I found many similar situations with
> other rivers; but the Perdido, as I mentioned, carries a roughly
> equivalent amount of water to the Murray.)
>
> The mouth of the Perdido looks a lot like the mouth of the Murray,
> with a bay behind long, dune-like islands. I wonder what mechanism,
> other than mining, you think explains the situation at the mouth of
> the Perdido? Or do you think that most/all of these landforms are due
> to mining?
The Murray river is unlike the Perido in that the Murry river has an
undersea canyon twice as deep as the Grand Canyon. This indicates
something very special happened here. We cannot discount large scale
aboriginal sand mining operations being the cause of this.
See the canyon for yourself:
http://www.ga.gov.au/servlet/BigObjFileManager?bigobjid=GA8767
> As for your references to alluvial fans, they refer to the outflow of
> rivers onto plains, not into the sea. Seas often have currents that
> run across the mouths of rivers, carrying sand, etc, along the coast,
> rather than straight out to sea. This results in what we see at the
> mouth of the Perdido, and at the mouth of the Murray.
The sand barriers in the Coorong are very definitely man made. They are
the basal remnants of a very large accreted sand dam structure. It
probably broke circa 5000 BP creating a huge scouring outflow which
carved the canyons into the sea floor.
The massive outflow at the time the dam broke even removed the heavy
mineral sands which the aboriginal people had been mining. Since the
mineral sands had gone, the dam was not longer maintained and it
quickly weathered to its current state.
Today, all around the Coorong there is evidence of the aboriginals
processing seashells to create lime. There are large piles of
unprocessed shells abounding in the region.
One can only postulate on the nature of the catastrophe. Perhaps it was
a tsunami originating in the Southern Ocean, or a perhaps it was a mega
La Nina event.
HTH
--
Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times
> Perdido River
>
> Perdido River
> Length 60 miles (100 km)
>
> Perdido Pass, the mouth of the Perdido River and Perdido Bay at Orange
> Beach, Alabama. Alabama State Route 182 crosses the inlet.
>
> Perdido Bay makes up the border between Florida and Alabama. Perdido
> Bay encompasses an area of about 50 square miles = 139 sq km
>
> 10% of the size of lower Murray Lakes and Coorong which is 500 Sq
> miles
>
> The Perdido River is a river in the U.S. states of Alabama and
> Florida, approximately 60 miles (100 km) long.
>
>
> The comparison between this area and lake Alexandrina / lake Albert
Dear Mr Kanga,
Thank you first for the beautiful mapping of the South Australia Tin
deposits
http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0012/11352/mineral_sands_fig_1.gif
and the parallel Murray strandlines
This indicate a massive invasion from the sea & consecutive deposits
of previously concentrated subsea deposits of sands & tins.
I note as well that link to alluvial fans and I have found that
Taklamakan Desert in Uighur country ( now Xinjiang) between the
Altair & Kunlun mountains range a most beautiful sight to behold
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
Thank you indeed since I am particularly interested in all the Desert
of the world though one of the theories of the True Geology developed
thanks to observation made in the Saharas, Great Sandy Desert etc
This is the Cyclonic Granulometric Pattern of Quaternary Deposits
whereby from a center point determined by Cyclopean rocks erratics,,
one can observed a radial decline of unconsolidated granulometry right
up the Loess as one progress along any radius ... this extending over
thousand of miles like in the Saharas. Indeed the Loess of the Tana
lake Plateaux in Ethiopia being related to the erractics Chaos of
Casamance in Senegal.
Now I have to stress that the secondary deposits leading to your
correctly assumed Murray- Darling- Murrumbidgee fans of heavy sands
were resulting in the over 5000 Km complex rivers basin, draining the
equivalent of France & Germany to probable flows equivalent to the
Nile ! Indeed this was over 3 500 years ago and a careful observation
of the banks of the Snowy Mountains rivers, which I have carried out
indeed, indicate height of flows over 10 m above the dry bed bottoms
of now; Again, it is difficult to replace oneself into the context of
the time when Australia was a quite Mediterrannean type of temperate
country covered by thriving forests in which the Phoenicians would
have found themselves quite at home indeed.
I am wondering as well is the famed land of Ophir was not after all
Australia, since by placing it in South America it would have implied
an immense added distance which could have been beyond the estimate of
the 3 years round trip. In my opinion NOW it could well be !
I wish at this point in time extend to you my full gratitude, and
fully recognize you exceptional contribution towards the resolution of
a mystery which has been nagging Archeology & Ancient History of 3 500
years : the origin of the Roman Empire Purple and the origin of the
Ancient World inexhaustible supply of Tin. I hope your country
Australia, in despite of the jealousy which you discoveries generate,
will in due time pay tribute to you merits & not as it common of the
fact attribute your findings to devious SA Universities parasites who
might at the present time already scheming as to put you aside & grab
all the honour + all credit for your painstaking work carried out on
your money & time.
For me in any case, you will remain a Great Archeological Pioneer on
the same footing as Bouchet de Perthes & Heinrich Schliemann, since
you have like those great men succeeded in elucidating a most
extraordinary mystery ! I will not fail to pay credit to you anyway
in the coming book on the True Geology which I writing at the present
time !
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Eric Stevens
<kangaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 22, 10:30�pm, Tom McDonald <kilt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm curious as to why you would expect an alluvial fan at the mouth of
>> the Murray, instead of the dune-like barrier island(s) of the
>> Coorong?
>YEP the LOOK identical
>>
>> Look at a river with a similar average flow rate, the Perdido River
>> that forms the western border between the American states of Alabama
>> and Florida. (On Google Maps, I found many similar situations with
>> other rivers; but the Perdido, as I mentioned, carries a roughly
>> equivalent amount of water to the Murray.)
>>
>YEP they have similar flow
I doubt it. As has can be shown in the various maps you have
published, the Murray River has an enormous catchment, comparable with
that of the Mississipi. It is only in the last 50 years that it has
ceased being susceptible to enormous floods.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2528/3747715463_bdc9dcc49a_b.jpg is a
photograph of the wharf at Morgan. The last big flood had this more
than 20' under water. The riverboats (paddle wheel) used to rely on
the floods to make heavy deliveries to destinations some distance from
the main river channel. There is an incident on record where someone
cut it just a fraction too fine and was stranded 72 miles from the
river. It was 18 months before the next big flood came to their
rescue.
I don't think the flow of the Perdido can be properly compared with
the Murray.
>
>> The mouth of the Perdido looks a lot like the mouth of the Murray,
>> with a bay behind long, dune-like islands. I wonder what mechanism,
>> other than mining, you think explains the situation at the mouth of
>> the Perdido? Or do you think that most/all of these landforms are due
>> to mining?
>
>the FACT that your river / lakes are only 10% as big hence in the
>lakes the mouth would be much more likely to remain OPEN , due to
>increased effective flow IMHO
I don't think the Murray was ever closed until all those living up
river robbed it of its water.
>>
>> As for your references to alluvial fans, they refer to the outflow of
>> rivers onto plains, not into the sea. Seas often have currents that
>> run across the mouths of rivers, carrying sand, etc, along the coast,
>> rather than straight out to sea. This results in what we see at the
>> mouth of the Perdido, and at the mouth of the Murray.
>
>STILL crunching number but I suspect THIS will account for the main
>difference between the 2 sites , a SLOWER flow = more sedimentaion
A slower flow = less sediment. Only the fines will be suspended.
>Lake Albert ( [show location on an interactive map] 35�37?S
>139�18?E? / ?35.617�S 139.3�E? / -35.617; 139.3) is a notionally fresh
>water lake near the mouth of the Murray River. It is filled by water
>flowing in from Lake Alexandrina at its mouth near Narrung. It is
>separated on the south by the Narrung Peninsula from the salt-water
>Coorong. The only major town on the lake is Meningie.
>Lower Lakes, Coorong and Murray Mouth
>
>An aerial view of the Murray Mouth and Coorong
>
>An aerial view of the Murray Mouth and Coorong
>Photo: Michael Bell
>A unique and significant estuary
>The Lower Lakes, Coorong and Murray Mouth extend over approximately
>140,000 hectares, /1,400 sq km /aprox 500 sq miles
Eric Stevens
kangarooistan
Thanks for your thought mate , are you familiar with the site ??
> The sand barriers in the Coorong are very definitely man made. They are
> the basal remnants of a very large accreted sand dam structure. It
> probably broke circa 5000 BP creating a huge scouring outflow which
> carved the canyons into the sea floor.
The area has definitely been mined by Aboriginal peoples on a VAST
scale , that judging by the deposition rates seen in the thousands of
Middens adjacent the vast site , was very much increased about the
same time as the Bronze age ,
almost EXACTLY , beginning and slowing in perfect harmony with the so
called BRONZE age , hence my assumption the missing HMS / black sand
was indeed used to make bronze , probably worked by local Aboriginal
peoples , probably some connection to traders serving the bronze age
market / demand for HMS / black sand
> The massive outflow at the time the dam broke even removed the heavy
> mineral sands which the aboriginal people had been mining. Since the
> mineral sands had gone, the dam was not longer maintained and it
> quickly weathered to its current state.
The ancient river has used the same basic channel for millions of
years and was 20,000 years ago , hundreds of km further out and as
you point out the ancient river channel cutting through the so called
Continental shelf , which is the sediment washed off the continent
over many BILLIONS of years leaving behind in the ancient river
channels the HEAVY minerals they are mining today
Alluvial HMS would have been simply shovel led out of the river Murray
in early days and easy pickings to mine the coastal sand dunes around
the river mouth
Sea levels rose to ABOUT todays level by about 10,000 years ago and
probably rose a little since then
The AREA at the lower Lakes IS A NATURAL landscape , BASICALLY
BUT somebody has Been through and REMOVED a million tons of " black
Sand " over several thousands of years, ending about 2000 years ago ,
and washed the beach sand in the Murray river on a " sluices " , set
up between Mundoo Island and Hindmash Island , washing the white sand
out he mouth to form todays coastal dune system
WHILE leaving a VAST hole where they should be no hole , that we today
see as Lakes and Coorong
Once you place ancient traders into the history of the area ,
buying / trading with Local Aboriginals the COMPLETE history reveals
itself
LIKE A FINGER PRINT IN EVERY MINUTE DETAIL
The Local LANGUAGES MYTHS TOOLS
> Today, all around the Coorong there is evidence of the aboriginals
> processing seashells to create lime. There are large piles of
> unprocessed shells abounding in the region.
Like everything about the site , most people FAIL to comprehend the
VAST size of everything , a few tiny piles of sea shells seen in other
countries are so TINY its laughable when compared to the thousands /
MILLIONS of TONS of untouched middens seen around the Coorong and
Lower Lakes
Thousands of years of intense mining activity on the LARGEST MINE IN
ALL HISTORY STILL , 500sq Km over 3 meters deep DUG but hand , using
thousands of ""bitumen boats" imported from PUNT to transport the
sand to the " sluice " between Mundoo and Hindmarsh Islands for the
natural river flow to gravity sort , then simply load up onto ships
headed to the ancient world , returning with probably consumables no
available locally
> One can only postulate on the nature of the catastrophe. Perhaps it was
> a tsunami originating in the Southern Ocean, or a perhaps it was a mega
> La Nina event.
> HTH
> --
There have over millions of years been many major earth changing
events
FEW in the last ten thousand years when human activity is able to be
detected , until about 10,000 years ago its clear humans were indeed
not in very large numbers ANY WHERE , Tasmania was cut off completely
10,000 years ago as was Karta / Kangaroo Island
Sea levels meant the coast was a very long way out , and any human
activity is yet to be investigated under the sea
The Lower Lakes and Coorong ARE natural features made by nature
I claim HUMANS removed about 3 meters of sand from the entire 500sq
mile site , using flat bottom bitumen boats called PUNTS brought in
from the middles east by the thousands to transport sand to the "
sluice"
the so called Coorongite /bitumen seen in the area and once thought to
be local bitumen is actually imported left overs from the ancient "
punts " used during mining ,that were simply to load and simple to
empty by simply over turning the " punt " when in the " sluice "
between Mundoo and hindmash Islands
This document is published on the web.
document is publicly viewable at:with hot links to originals
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_70grv6c2dm
Report of Oldest Boat Hints at Early Trade Routes
draft of Very raw data being gathered on this topic
The development of the Australian oil industry:
The first drilling carried out for the purpose of discovering oil was
in the Coorong area of South Australia in 1892. Unfortunately, the
shallow hole was dry.No oil has ever been pumped from south Australia
even though it was the very FIRST chosen because if the tar / "
bitumen " found on the beach and in the Cooirong after storms
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1300&dat=19611120&id=iL8UAAAAIB...
Coorongite / coastal bitumen / finally exposed as artifact remnants of
ancient mining punts used to mine HMS from Lower Murray Lakes during
the Bronze age in South Australia
Page 1
COASTAL BITUMEN IN SOUTHERN AUSTRALIA, WITH SPECIAL
REFERENCE TO OBSERVATIONS AT GELTWOOD BEACH,
SOUTH-EAST SOUTH AUSTRALIA
BY
R. C. S
PRIGG AND
J. B. W
OOLLEY
Summary
"Coastal bitumen" is stranded annually at a number of well-known
centres along the southern
Australian coast. This mostly accompanies and follows winter storm
activity, but lesser standing
may continue at intervals throughout the year.
These natural bitumens mostly originate in shallow
ocean coastal waters within reach of storm wave turbulence and/or near
shore rip-current activity.
The weathered crudes which constitute coastal bitumen, upon stranding
appear to include both
naphthene and paraffin-based oils of low A.P.I. gravity and moderately
high sulphur. They are
inspissated and varyingly weathered. They include ozokerites.
Associated light chocolate-brown
coloured and highly oxidised crudes also come ashore from time to time
in these localities. It is
thought to be eroding from flat-lying sea floor fossil seepage
deposits that way have been
subaerially exposed during the low sea-level periods of the
Pleistocene. Care must be exercised to
separate these crudes from tanker spillage which is a more recent
complication. The crudes of
interest are locally derived. Evidence is cited to demonstrate that
the oils, which strand during
storms, are not far-travelled, nor are they the products of ocean-
going tankers.
The crudes have certainly not originated in the vicinity of
Antarctica or South America as has previously been
widely claimed. Association with localised storms which stir up the
immediate subcoastal shallow
sea-bottom, and alternatively, with recorded earthquakes epicentred in
the sea near Beachport, is
considered to demonstrate local origin quite conclusively.
Although superficially, the stranded crudes look almost identical,
spectrographic investigation of the minor element constitution of a
series of samples has indicated that the crudes from the Geltwood area
are distinctively different
from those from Sleaford Bay (Eyre Peninsula) or from Cape
Northumberland. More data, however,
is required.
Biological marker, isotopic and geological studies of lacustrine crude
oils in the western Otway Basin, South Australia
D. M. McKirdy* & R. E. Cox
Australian Mineral Development Laboratories, Frewville, South
Australia
J. G. G. Morton
South Australian Department of Mines and Energy, Parkside, South
Australia
Oil seeps, real and illusory, have played an important role in the
history of petroleum exploration in the Otway Basin. An alleged oil
seep at Alfred Flat near Salt Creek, SA led to the drilling of
Australia’s first oil exploration well in 1892. The dark green to
black rubbery material mistaken for weathered oil was in fact
coorongite. This enigmatic substance originated from blooms of the
freshwater green alga Botryococcus braunii which stranded around the
edges of small ephemeral lakes east of the Coorong Lagoon. These lakes
formed between Pleistocene beach ridges after periods of exceptional
rainfall.
Coorongite was first discovered in the type area in 1852, and last
reported there in the mid 1950s. By 1915, some explorers had turned
their attention to the bitumen and fresh waxy crude oil periodically
washed ashore on beaches near Kingston and at localities further
south. The existence of adjacent submarine oil seepage was correctly
inferred, and in 1916 wildcat wells were drilled close to the coast at
Kingston and Robe. Subsequent drilling onshore and offshore has failed
to locate commercial oil. Nevertheless, continued widespread
strandings of coastal bitumen and the existence of abundant reservoir
bitumen throughout the Pretty Hill Sandstone in Esso Crayfish-1,
constitute unequivocal proof that oil has been generated in the
subsurface of the western Otway Basin.
A suite of low gravity (5–27° API) coastal bitumens was recently
collected from 18 separate strandings sites between Kingston, SA and
Portland, Victoria. These bitumens range from paraffinic to aromatic-
intermediate in bulk composition
vBiological marker, isotopic and geological studies of lacustrine
crude oils in the western Otway Basin, South Australia
D. M. McKirdy* & R. E. Cox
Australian Mineral Development Laboratories, Frewville, South
Australia
J. G. G. Morton
South Australian Department of Mines and Energy, Parkside, South
Australia
http://sp.lyellcollection.org/cgi/content/abstract/40/1/327
Oil seeps, real and illusory, have played an important role in the
history of petroleum exploration in the Otway Basin. An alleged oil
seep at Alfred Flat near Salt Creek, SA led to the drilling of
Australia’s first oil exploration well in 1892.
The dark green to black rubbery material mistaken for weathered oil
was in fact coorongite. This enigmatic substance originated from
blooms of the freshwater green alga Botryococcus braunii which
stranded around the edges of small ephemeral lakes east of the Coorong
Lagoon. These lakes formed between Pleistocene beach ridges after
periods of exceptional rainfall.
Coorongite was first discovered in the type area in 1852, and last
reported there in the mid 1950s. By 1915, some explorers had turned
their attention to the bitumen and fresh waxy crude oil periodically
washed ashore on beaches near Kingston and at localities further
south. The existence of adjacent submarine oil seepage was correctly
inferred, and in 1916 wildcat wells were drilled close to the coast at
Kingston and Robe. Subsequent drilling onshore and offshore has failed
to locate commercial oil.
Nevertheless, continued widespread strandings of coastal bitumen and
the existence of abundant reservoir bitumen throughout the Pretty Hill
Sandstone in Esso Crayfish-1, constitute unequivocal proof that oil
has been generated in the subsurface of the western Otway Basin.
A suite of low gravity (5–27° API) coastal bitumens was recently
collected from 18 separate strandings sites between Kingston, SA and
Portland, Victoria. These bitumens range from paraffinic to aromatic-
intermediate in bulk composition
Geltwood Beach, approximately 20 miles south of Beachport, South
Australia, has long
been recognised by local residents as a favoured site for the
stranding of coastal bitumen.
Andrew Lawler
LONDON, June 2, 2002--A Kuwaiti site has yielded 7000-year-old bitumen
slabs thought to be from a seafaring vessel. If the interpretation of
the material is correct, the discovery pushes back physical evidence
of boats by more than 2000 years and sheds light on what later became
trading routes linking two ancient civilizations: those of the Indus
River valley and Mesopotamia. A second team is finishing a
controversial reconstruction of a younger ship found in Oman.
Science 7 June 2002:
Vol. 296. no. 5574, pp. 1791 - 1792
DOI: 10.1126/science.296.5574.1791
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/296/5574/1791
Dig Exposes Oldest Boat
When archaeologists unearthed chunks of a Stone Age boat at an inland
site in Kuwait, they also found this six-inch clay model encrusted
with salts from the sea.
Courtesy of Gwilym Williams/British Archaeological Expedition to
Kuwait.
Ships of interest to archaeologists tend to turn up on the seafloor,
but when Robert Carter of University College London dug out pieces of
an ancient boat, he was 2.5 miles inland, baking in the desert. The
archaeologist reported in June that he had found a boat beneath the
sands of Kuwait that may be 7,000 years old—perhaps the oldest
seagoing vessel ever discovered. The site, As-Sabiyah, lies on a
peninsula near the mouth of the Euphrates River, and Carter knew that
thousands of years ago it was situated smack on the coast. Middle
Eastern artifacts from that era suggest there had been trade along the
Persian Gulf coast and into Mesopotamia. Archaeologists have debated
whether the trade was conducted overland or by boat. Carter believes
it's safe to assume people navigated the oceans far back into
antiquity because Australia was colonized at least 15,000 years ago.
Carter and his team unearthed small slabs of bitumen, an
asphaltlike substance used for waterproofing. On one side of each slab
was an impression left by reeds, as if the bitumen had been slathered
over reed bundles lashed together to make a boat. The other sides of
the slabs were encrusted with barnacles. Carter also found a ceramic
disc painted with what appears to be a masted boat. "If this does
indeed depict such a thing," Carter says, "it would be the earliest
evidence of sailing."
— Jeffrey Winters http://discovermagazine.com/2003/jan/archaeology
The piece of ancient boat on the left bears parallel reed impressions,
and a row of small holes, perhaps from pegs. The slab on the right
sports barnacles, showing that the slabs had been immersed in sea
water for a number of months before they were put into storage.
By Jennifer Viegas, Discovery News
June 17, 2002 — The world's oldest known boat, built 7,000 years ago
out of tarry, bitumen-covered slabs, has been found in an unlikely
place: the Kuwaiti desert.
If the assessment of British and Kuwaiti archaeologists is correct,
the slabs, found covered on one side with barnacles and warehoused in
a stone building at a site called As-Sabiyah, would push back the date
for the oldest known boat by more than 2,000 years.
According to an upcoming paper in the Proceedings of the Seminar for
Arabian Studies and a paper published in the June 7 issue of the
journal Science, the current oldest boat record-holder is a vessel
found in an Egyptian tomb dating to 3,000 B.C. Evidence for log
canoes, thought to be more like rafts than boats, goes back much
further, to 8,000 B.C. The age of the entire As-Sabiyah site,
including the boat remains, has been carbon-14 dated to 5,511-5,324
B.C.
Robert Carter, an archaeologist at University College London and the
expedition's field director, believes that the slabs belonged to a
boat because they have reed impressions on one side and barnacles on
the other.
Carter said bitumen, which is still crushed with fish oil and coral
and used today by some Middle Eastern boat builders, likely formed a
waterproof seal around vessels constructed out of reed bundles tied
together with ropes and string.
He also believes that the bitumen-covered reed boats were used to
carry people and goods between Mesopotamia, As-Sabiyah (which he
thinks was then a peninsula within the Tigris-Euphrates River area),
and the Central Gulf region.
If the theory is correct, it could explain why ancient Mesopotamian
pottery often turns up many miles to the south on the Persian Gulf's
western shores, according to the Science report.
"We do not know the race of the people trading at As-Sabiyah," Carter
told Discovery News. "It is (safe) to say that people from the Arabian
Peninsula were involved, along with people from Mesopotamia."
Carter is more confident about what goods were traded, based on finds
at the site. These included pierced pearls likely used for jewelry,
pottery, shells, spindle whorls probably used to spin wool, bead
necklaces, mother of pearl buttons, and flint and obsidian stones. He
believes that livestock and fish also were traded.
Carl Lamberg-Karlovsky, professor of archaeology at Harvard
University, questions whether the As-Sabiyah boat was used for trade,
due to its apparently small size, and suggests that it was just a
fishing boat for locals. He also hints that remains of even older
vessels may be found in future due to evidence for ancient boating,
such as clay boat models.
Lamberg-Karlovsky said, "Although the Kuwaiti find might be the
earliest evidence for a boat, it is very important to point out that
people were seafaring far earlier than this."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/704398/posts
Boats
Boat remains are among the most exciting finds at H3. As well as
pieces of bitumen which appear to come from reed-bundle vessels, a
model boat was found which may indicate the shape of the sea-craft
used during this period.
It has been speculated that vessels made of reed-bundles, coated with
bitumen, were among the region's earliest boats. This was believed
because later vessels are known to have been made that way, and also
because reeds and bitumen are the commonest natural resources found in
Mesopotamia which are suitable for that purpose. Similar vessels were
used until recently in the marshes of Southern Mesopotamia. The
bitumen waterproofs the vessel, and also inhibits the growth of
aquatic plants and animals, which slow the vessel down.
The evidence from H3 shows that such vessels were indeed in use, and
that they were venturing beyond the river system, into the open sea.
For the first time, we have a clear indication of how goods and people
moved between the Arabian Gulf and Ubaid Mesopotamia at this very
early date.
Bitumen slabs
Our evidence comes in the form of small slabs of bitumen, which have
reed impressions on one side and barnacles on the other. Over 50 such
pieces have now been found at H3 (Carter and Crawford 2002).
The inside of the slabs bears parallel reed impressions, and in at
least one case, a row of small holes, perhaps from pegs. The
outside
has barnacles, showing that the slabs have been immersed in sea water
for a number of months.
Most pieces were found discarded in the the chambers, but some were
deliberately stored. It is known from more recent sources that it was
customary to chip the bitumen off old vessels, to keep the material
for recycling. We believe that this practice explains the presence of
the slabs at H3.
Comparable bitumen slabs, from Bronze Age sea-going boats, are known
from Ra's al-Jinz, Oman (Cleuziou and Tosi 2000). The H3 examples are
around three thousand years older.
The bitumen is not pure, but has been deliberately mixed with lime and
chopped organic matter, among other ingredients.
A similar mixture is known from the Ras al-Jinz bitumen slabs. The
practice changes the density of the bitumen, as well as it adhesive
properties and flexibility.
Although the boat-building technology appears to be Mesopotamian in
origin, we do not know whether the vessels were built or crewed by
individuals from Arabia or Mesopotamia. One of the most interesting
facts emerging from our specialist studies is that the bitumen appears
to have come from a local source, at Burgan, in southern Kuwait.
The Boat Model
The model was found tucked against a wall near the entrance of Chamber
15.
It was a very exciting discovery.
Although it appears to have been made in the Arabian Gulf ceramic
ware, such models are so far only known from Ubaid sites in
Mesopotamia. We do not know its purpose, if any. Perhaps it had
protective significance for the Stone Age mariners of H3.
Some features of the vessel may help us understand the construction of
vessels at this time. The raised prow and stern may be indicative of
reed-bundle construction.
Parallel grooves along the sides, which are most visible at the prow
and stern, probably reflect the shape of the individual reed bundles
used in the real boat's construction.
An Ubaid 3 period model boat from Tell Mashnaqa (northeast Syria)
showed similar lines descending from the prow and stern, though these
were painted, not incised. The Mashnaqa model was also interpreted as
a reed-bundle boat, though it was a river-boat rather than a sea-going
vessel.
We do not know if the flat bottom of the H3 boat reflects the actual
shape. It may simply be so that the model can sit flat on the ground,
or perhaps it represents the appearance of the vessel in the water.
During the 2002 season another very interesting artefact was found. It
was made out of a sherd taken from a broken, painted pot. The design,
which was originally the edge of a radial pattern typical of Ubaid
pottery, has been deliberately scraped off in places to make a new
motif.
It now resembles a boat with two masts. In fact, if we accept that
this is a boat representation, it is probably a single mast, made of
two poles lashed together at the apex. This construction is known as a
bipod mast, and it was used in vessels which lacked a frame strong
enough to support the socket of a single mast (Vosmer 2000: 240).
There has been much debate over whether the art of sailing had been
developed by the Ubaid period (Strasser 1996; Bourriau and Oates
1997). This find suggests that it had been.
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/archaeology/kuwait/boats.htm
kangarooistan
<australia.mining-
.
> > A unique and significant estuary
> > The Lower Lakes, Coorong and Murray Mouth extend over approximately
> > 140,000 hectares, /1,400 sq km /aprox 500 sq miles
>
> Dear Mr Kanga,
>
> Thank you first for the beautiful mapping of the South Australia Tin
> and the parallel Murray strandlines
>
> This indicate a massive invasion from the sea & consecutive deposits
> of previously concentrated subsea deposits of sands & tins.
>
> I note as well that link to alluvial fans and I have found that
> Taklamakan Desert in Uighur country ( now Xinjiang) between the
> Altair & Kunlun mountains range a most beautiful sight to behold
I suspect you and I both find ALL rocks very beautiful Sir JPT ,
2 old Geophiles swapping pics of orgasims fantasies mate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Central_pyrenees.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alluvial_fan,_Taklimakan_Desert,_XinJiang_Province,_China,_NASA,_ASTER.jpg
ORGASMIC heaven hey mate ??
As you know Sir JPT, kanga lives near Mount Barker Summit and this pic
of my son at the very summit of Mount Barker shows the mouth of the
river Murray in the back ground , though you can not make it out in
the 3rd pic , standing on mount barker summit looking south towards
the lower lakes and kangaroo island on horizon about 20 odd km away
[ pic is from 2000 ft above sea level ]
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVpOXG2fYkS8ZGNnazl0N3BfNjZnMm5wbmRjYg&hl=en
Over Leonardos shoulder you can actually SEE " Baudin beach" , its a
small world SIR JPT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudin_Beach,_South_Australia
I have no money for satellite pics yet, i dont even own a camera
myself , , or glossy presentations , so i do what I can and am
extremely grateful for your kind assistance advise and encouragement
mate , and the online resources now available to share some of my own
research with other geophiles
Future generations of Geophiles will thank all who help uncover the
few traces left of REAL geology , for future generations to marvel at
how pathetic the experts in western counties have become
what ever happened o people like Capt Nicholas Baudin who himself once
stood where Leonardo is standing 206 years ago and " sea peoples "
once stood 4000 years earlier and Aboriginal peoples stood 10000plus
years ago , todays experts have destroyed the once magnificent gift
from GOD and turned it into a TOXIC sewer in less than 200 years THEN
attack you and I as idiots , future generations will dealt harshly
with todays EXPERTS mate , and rightly so , they have the world at
their finger tips , unlike you and I , we had to suffer to gain ever
tiny scrap of evidence we could find often on our hands and knees in
rags in the hot sun , they have air condition offices and satellites
and still do ALL IN THEIR POWER to destroy REAL EXPERTS , for fun
they will in due time receive their rewards mate , history will
crucify them , and REAL scientists will be given their rightful places
in history indue time mate
Out of sight does NOT mean forgotten mate
the most knowledgeable Charles-Pierre Claret de Flerieu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleurieu_Peninsula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudin_Beach,_South_Australia
Its great to be able tho help EXPOSE the fat lazy over paid taxpayer
funded so called EXPERTS and to have them expose themselves publicly
as being BLIND fools is icing on the cake for future generations to
see what we are FORCED to tolerate to expose their incompetency and
REVEAL the truth mate
>
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_68n74sfjfh
>
> Thank you indeed since I am particularly interested in all the Desert
> of the world though one of the theories of the True Geology developed
> thanks to observation made in the Saharas, Great Sandy Desert etc
Mee to Sir JPT , deserts are my favorite
> This is the Cyclonic Granulometric Pattern of Quaternary Deposits
> whereby from a center point determined by Cyclopean rocks erratics,,
Cyclopean masonry is a type of stonework found in Mycenaean
architecture, built with huge limestone boulders, roughly fitted
together with minimal clearance between adjacent stones and no use of
mortar. The boulders are typically unworked, but are sometimes roughly
worked with a hammer, and the gaps between boulders are often filled
in with smaller hunks of limestone.
The most famous examples of Cyclopean masonry are found in the walls
of Mycenae and Tiryns, and the style is characteristic of Mycenaean
fortifications.
Similar styles of stonework are found in other cultures.
> one can observed a radial decline of unconsolidated granulometry right
> up the Loess as one progress along any radius ... this extending over
> thousand of miles like in the Saharas. Indeed the Loess of the Tana
> lake Plateaux in Ethiopia being related to the erractics Chaos of
> Casamance in Senegal.
>
Mea-
suring size features has been performed by several
approaches at laboratorial and industrial levels,
being the mechanical sieving technique the most cur-
rently used.
This established technique, allows the
study of samples of large dimensions but requires
long operational time intervals until a nal result
is obtained.
Assessing morphometric properties of
sand particles , is mainly performed at laboratorial
level using manual techniques , but with quite insignif-
icant statistics essentially due to fastidious and time
consuming measurements.
Thus, this study presents the rst results of a prac-
tical sequence to study sand grains at the macro-
scopical scale using an image analysis based mathe-
matical morphology approach.
advantageously substitutes classical granulometric and
morphometric methods not only in scientic terms
, more robust and reproducible
results with higher statistical signi cance) but also
in operational terms (faster evaluation and higher
operator autonomy).
> Now I have to stress that the secondary deposits leading to your
> correctly assumed Murray- Darling- Murrumbidgee fans of heavy sands
> were resulting in the over 5000 Km complex rivers basin, draining the
> equivalent of France & Germany to probable flows equivalent to the
> Nile ! Indeed this was over 3 500 years ago and a careful observation
> of the banks of the Snowy Mountains rivers, which I have carried out
> indeed, indicate height of flows over 10 m above the dry bed bottoms
> of now; Again, it is difficult to replace oneself into the context of
> the time when Australia was a quite Mediterrannean type of temperate
> country covered by thriving forests in which the Phoenicians would
> have found themselves quite at home indeed.
i can trace the River back 500 million years but before that its hard
we are talking a ancient continent several times older that most
others seen , like the one in USA where rivers look very similar but
are only 150 million years old
Considering ULURU was once standing on its end and over 10,000 feet
high , made of SEDIMENTARY grains of sand , from an even OLDER
mountain , there has been about 10000 feet of erosion at LEAST twice
before in some parts , and billions of tons of it washed down the
river Murray as sand or dissolved minerals, exactly like a natural "
sluice " , leaving the HMS to be discovered and mined in VAST
quantities by those first to stumble on them , single nuggets as big
as a man settling into ancient crevices and consolidation into nuggets
if struck by lightning or buried deep enough
like Welcome stranger , largest nugget EVER found came from the murray
darling basin
Its gross weight was 3523.5 troy ounces, the trimmed weight was 2520
troy ounces, and net it weighed 2315.5 troy ounces or 72.02 kg. It is
the largest alluvial gold nugget found in the world, and the
calculated refined weight was 2,283 ozs 6dwts 9grs.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_Stranger
>
> I am wondering as well is the famed land of Ophir was not after all
> Australia, since by placing it in South America it would have implied
> an immense added distance which could have been beyond the estimate of
> the 3 years round trip. In my opinion NOW it could well be !
Queen Hapsetsup of Egypt spoke often of the famous GREEN GOLD OF EMU
EMU still means big bird in Arabic and Australia , The various legends
of Ophir and king solomons mines ALL STEM from this same story , they
ALL refer to the lower lakes where " black sand and gold were
available to load up by the millions of tons from the worlds OLDEST
longest alluvial gold HMS sluices , first in best dressed , they
after they left the history VANISHED ,
EXACTLY like the modern brits knew nothing about the DRUIDS until very
recent researchers re discovered British history and modern Egyptians
200 years ago knew almost NOTHING about ancient Egypt r Tutankhamen ,
how hard would it be for Aboriginals o recall things from back then
but the HAVE if you actually listen AND know what REALLY did happen
and translate it all into ENGLISH " blind Freddy" could "see"there
are indeed vast unmistakable artifacts hidden in heir myths and
language once you actually get the " history " right the myths make
more sense
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=rXH&q=green+gold+hatshepsut&btnG=Search&meta=
#
Hatshepsut: the first woman pharaoh - Google Books Result
by Susanna Thomas - 2003 - Juvenile Nonfiction - 110 pages
... with ebony and pure ivory, with green gold of emu, with cinnamon
wood, ... to our imagination and the next scene shows Hatshepsut
greeting the returning ...
books.google.com.au/books?isbn=0823935949... -
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Hatshepsut: Egypt's First Female Pharaoh - Google Books Result
by Pamela Dell - 2008 - Juvenile Nonfiction - 112 pages
... goods for use in Hatshepsut's mortuary temple and as offerings to
Amen. ... with ebony and pure ivory, with green gold of Emu, with
cinnamon wood, ...
books.google.com.au/books?isbn=0756538351... -
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Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut
These scenes show the famous expedition to Punt during Hatshepsut's
reign. ... with ebony and pure ivory, with green gold of Amu, with
cinnamon-wood, ...
ib205.tripod.com/hatshepsut_temple.html - Cached - Similar -
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> I wish at this point in time extend to you my full gratitude, and
> fully recognize you exceptional contribution towards the resolution of
> a mystery which has been nagging Archeology & Ancient History of 3 500
> years : the origin of the Roman Empire Purple and the origin of the
> Ancient World inexhaustible supply of Tin. I hope your country
> Australia, in despite of the jealousy which you discoveries generate,
> will in due time pay tribute to you merits & not as it common of the
> fact attribute your findings to devious SA Universities parasites who
> might at the present time already scheming as to put you aside & grab
> all the honour + all credit for your painstaking work carried out on
> your money & time.
We al KNOW how it works mate , the ruling ELITES always grab the
spotlight mate
we get back into the deserts and leave them to their coffee table
version of history mate , we dont NEED their praise , they are FOOLS ,
when they start under standing us mate it means we are slowing down
too much there is nothing gained wandering along with the flock
mate , where would WE be if we waited for the sheep to catch up with
Baudain
>
> For me in any case, you will remain a Great Archeological Pioneer on
> the same footing as Bouchet de Perthes & Heinrich Schliemann, since
> you have like those great men succeeded in elucidating a most
> extraordinary mystery ! I will not fail to pay credit to you anyway
> in the coming book on the True Geology which I writing at the present
> time !
on the shoulders of GIANTS its easy mate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudin_Beach,_South_Australia
>
> Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
> Australia Mining Pioneer
Patience mate , the facts will come out in due time , the Lower Lakes
and Murray wont be going always any time soon mate
kanga
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Li Wan
> HI Li Wan
>
> Thanks for your thought mate , are you familiar with the site ??
I have done many expeditions with Google Earth and I have seen Storm
Boy.
> > The sand barriers in the Coorong are very definitely man made. They
> > are the basal remnants of a very large accreted sand dam structure.
> > It probably broke circa 5000 BP creating a huge scouring outflow
> > which carved the canyons into the sea floor.
>
> The area has definitely been mined by Aboriginal peoples on a VAST
> scale , that judging by the deposition rates seen in the thousands of
> Middens adjacent the vast site , was very much increased about the
> same time as the Bronze age ,
It does not make economic sense for the aboriginals to be shipping
unprocessed mineral sands. The aboriginals would have been doing
secondary processing (refining and smelting) before shippment.
The huge mountains of so called 'middens' are obviously input into
their smelting and refinging processes.
A substantial harbour infrastructure would have been needed to handle
the trade.
Have you identified the location of the harbour yet? Port CoorongAmun
would be a good name for it.
Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times
That link http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_71ct6mwfgf is
excellent is a milestone in regard to coming events, it needs to be
kept preciously to match the irremediable flooding by the sea of
previously fresh water Lower Lakes. Things are accelerating at an
exponential rate & what is to be noted is the propensity of the
Australian population at large to look at anything else but what is
stepping on its front door.
Further, as you well know, you have not found a single word of
support for your genial discoveries, except from me, bringing a re-
lecture of the official History of the world. I, by chance, saw a
German documentary related to the Pheonicians on Arte channel, and
there was not the slightest hint on the possibility that these people
had ties with the Southern Hemisphere part of the World. All was
centered on their conquest & pillages of the Mediterranean bordering
nations until their fatal meeting with an Egyptian army led by Ramses
III.
Likewise the fraudulent Geology, the real History of Mankind is
completely blurred by the JIC ( judeo-islamo-christian) sects to not
upset their views on the creation of the world & foremost not leading
to questioning in relation to previous directions of Earth spin & the
high civilizations which existed before such much recent & terrible
upheaval took place.... the Sphinx & the great 3 Pyramids being some
of what remains of thriving said civilizations & the start again of
all Humanity from few poles of survivals to reach the billions of
people here now ... all in a mere 12 000 years. Universities
brainwashed fools are mind programmed to avoid asking themselves the
right questions & Experts indeed in Over-information, Non-information
& Misleading-information. The Real or True knowledge which you are
bringing forth does not interest those specialists, since the greater
vision it opens bring them down to realize that their normal operating
system is at the mole level, and to raise up their tunnel vision would
certainly tear up the patiently & painful fabric of their illusory
approach of the reality.
In this line here for govern some of the dogmas underlying the
Fraudulent Geology :
1) Dogma of the creation or accretion of the Earth on present orbit...
the principle being of course applied to all planets & satellites
either again through the miracle a Magic Wand or the equally miracle
of a Big Bang
2) Dogma of attraction of banging masses on a 30 km/ h moving target
( this for Earth) while non rotative aerolithes have no magnetic field
& are then not dipole ...hence repelling each others as ALL non-
rotative masses do. .. and this what the Newton plagiarist failed to
see, to wit the distinguo to be made between rotative & non-rotative
Cosmic bodies.
3) Dogma ofStability of Earth & all planets on Ecliptics till
Judgment day
4) Dogma Column of Ages established from the degradation ( or
reduction) of fossils to formation of the immense Karst reliefs or in
clear of all carbonates sediementation of the world. Hutton & Lyell &
that imbecile retard of Darwin later founding all their conclusions
on the premises indeed that animals bones being carbonates (CO3) in
the first place cannot be degraded at the contact of air to return
the CO2 to its original gas state, but will compose by piling each
others by consecutive layers the immense strata of Limestone,
Dolomites as well as Gypsum (related) observed in billions of tons
through the whole world. The fact then that whole so-called Scientific
Community beuuulieves, in as a mob of sheep in a paddock, such
evident inept theories is a clear indication amongst many that the so
called Intellectual Elites have degenerated to a point of being unable
to think philosophically
5) Dogma of Ice ages & Glaciatons + the one of erosion of Intrusive &
Extrusive rocks by water. This is a physical impossibility indeed
considering the pressure & temperature of fusion of Ice ( 1 bar, 0°C)
as well as considering the process of weathering of Mountainous faces
attributed by tradesless Universities parasites to the mechanical
action of Ice upon material 7 grade higher on the Mohs scale ... his
is just like asking a fitter or lathe operator to machine hard steel
with a lump of soap ... Such evident incoherence of course is beyond
the reach of Oxford, ANU, MIT, Curtin etc Universities fatmouthed
Cretins
6) Dogma of the origin of water being in fact the Ouroboros ( snake
bitting its tail) & related to the Vitellius cycle 2000 years old
primitive observation, while NOT providing any explanation as to where
it comes from in the first place... The consequences of such ignorance
being the present & inescapable transition of Australia from a live
sustaining land to a Great Sandy Desert Island ... this resulting of
course by those incompetent & indeed again Universities brainwashed
Political Imbeciles in charge of affairs down under !
With best regards
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer Mine (Australia largest Copper &
Gold Mine)
Nifty (Cu) & Kintyre (U, Th) Mines, all in the Great Sandy Desert
Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant
Founder of the True Geology
~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One Never Forgiven ~
for background info.
http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/nac.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm
"True Geology" Foundation Document
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/69327
"Turcaud Bath" as a free gift to Suffering Humanity
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/107947
kangarooistan
<australia.mining-pion...@neuf.fr> wrote:
> Dear Mr Kanga,
> That linkhttp://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_71ct6mwfgfis
> "Turcaud Bath" as a free gift to Suffering Humanityhttp://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/107947
Hi sir JPT
Sure is a pity to see the lower lakes and coorong in such a shocking
state mate
BUT its a geat chance to grab a heap of Coorongite
AND map the ancient HMS mine site
There are thousands of small bitumen boats remains to be gathered and
mapped
It seems they used Bitumen from the middle east
Then mixed it with local whale and seal oil AND local Yakka gum and
recycled it many times to build flat bottomed boats to carry sand to
the " sluice " between Mundoo Island and Hindmash Islands at the Lower
lakes / Coorong ancient min
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVpOXG2fYkS8ZGNnazl0N3BfNzBncnY2YzJkbQ&hl=en
The murray mouth mine site is vast ,
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVpOXG2fYkS8ZGNnazl0N3BfNzBncnY2YzJkbQ&hl=en
Thank GOD Leo can help
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVpOXG2fYkS8ZGNnazl0N3BfNjZnMm5wbmRjYg&hl=en
theoldman
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The mine is OVER 250 km around the edges so I will be very tired for a
few days as I try and GRAB as many samples as possible BEFORE they
flood the site
Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times
> > "True Geology" Foundation Documenthttp://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/69327
> > "Turcaud Bath" as a free gift to Suffering Humanityhttp://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/107947
>
> Hi sir JPT
>
> Sure is a pity to see the lower lakes and coorong in such a shocking
> state mate
>
> BUT its a geat chance to grab a heap of Coorongite
>
> AND map the ancient HMS mine site
>
> There are thousands of small bitumen boats remains to be gathered and
> mapped
>
> It seems they used Bitumen from the middle east
>
> Then mixed it with local whale and seal oil AND local Yakka gum and
> recycled it many times to build flat bottomed boats to carry sand to
> the " sluice " between Mundoo Island and Hindmash Islands at the Lower
>
> The murray mouth mine site is vast ,http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVpOXG2fYkS8ZGNnazl0N3BfNzBncnY2YzJ...
>
> Thank GOD Leo can help
>
>
> theoldman
> ========
>
> The mine is OVER 250 km around the edges so I will be very tired for a
> few days as I try and GRAB as many samples as possible BEFORE they
> flood the site
Before they flood the site & this means that you have very little time
since this is going to happen before 14th of October : The 39th
anniversary date of all my Great Sandy Desert discoveries. The
anniversary as well of the Telfer Mine multi trillions Massive
Swindle & Collective Crimes indeed !
... I am all with you mate & don't overdo yourself !
Remember, you are a dinkum Australia Pioneer & some good people care
about you brother !
jpturcaud