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What is 'Holocaust Denial'?
By Barbara Kulaszka
In recent years, considerable attention has been devoted to the
supposed danger of "Holocaust denial." Politicians, newspapers and
television warn about the growing influence of those who reject the
Holocaust story that some six million European Jews were
systematically exterminated during the Second World War, most of them
in gas chambers.
In several countries, including Israel, France, Germany and Austria,
"Holocaust denial" is against the law, and "deniers" have been
punished with stiff fines and prison sentences. Some Jewish community
leaders have called for similar measures in North America. In Canada,
David Matas, Senior Counsel for the "League for Human Rights" of the
Zionist B'nai B'rith organization, says: [1]
"The Holocaust was the murder of six million Jews, including two
million children. Holocaust denial is a second murder of those same
six million. First their lives were extinguished; then their deaths. A
person who denies the Holocaust becomes part of the crime of the
Holocaust itself."
Often overlooked in this controversy is the crucial question: Just
what constitutes "Holocaust denial"?
Six Million?
Should someone be considered a "Holocaust denier" because he does not
believe - as Matas and many others insist - that six million Jews were
killed during World War II? This figure was cited by the International
Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-1946. It found that "the policy
pursued [by the German government] resulted in the killing of six
million Jews, of which four million were killed in the extermination
institutions." [2]
Yet if that is so, then several of the most prominent Holocaust
historians could be regarded as "deniers." Professor Raul Hilberg,
author of the standard reference work, The Destruction of the European
Jews, does not accept that six million Jews died. He puts the total of
deaths (from all causes) at 5.1 million. Gerald Reitlinger, author of
The Final Solution, likewise did not accept the six million figure. He
estimated the figure of Jewish wartime dead might be as high as 4.6
million, but admitted that this was conjectural due to a lack of
reliable information.
Human Soap?
Is someone a "Holocaust denier" if he says that the Nazis did not make
soap from the corpses of murdered Jews? After considering the evidence
- including an actual bar of soap supplied by the Soviets - the
Nuremberg Tribunal declared in its Judgment that "in some instances
attempts were made to utilize the fat from the bodies of the victims
in the commercial manufacture of soap." [3]
In 1990, though, Israel's official Yad Vashem Holocaust center
"rewrote history" by admitting that the soap story was not true.
"Historians have concluded that soap was not made from human fat. When
so many people deny the Holocaust ever happened, why give them
something to use against the truth?," said Yad Vashem official Shmuel
Krakowski. [4]
Wannsee Conference?
Is someone a "Holocaust denier" if he does not accept that the January
1942 "Wannsee conference" of German bureaucrats was held to set or
coordinate a program of systematic mass murder of Europe's Jews? If
so, Israeli Holocaust historian Yehuda Bauer must be wrong - and a
"Holocaust denier" - because he declared: "The public still repeats,
time after time, the silly story that at Wannsee the extermination of
the Jews was arrived at." In Bauer's opinion, Wannsee was a meeting
but "hardly a conference" and "little of what was said there was
executed in detail." [5]
Extermination Policy?
Is someone a "Holocaust denier" if he says that there was no order by
Hitler to exterminate Europe's Jews? There was a time when the answer
would have been yes. Holocaust historian Raul Hilberg, for example,
wrote in the 1961 edition of his study, The Destruction of the
European Jews, that there were two Hitler orders for the destruction
of Europe's Jews: the first given in the spring of 1941, and the
second shortly thereafter. But Hilberg removed mention of any such
order from the revised, three-volume edition of his book published in
1985. [6] As Holocaust historian Christopher Browning has noted: [7]
"In the new edition, all references in the text to a Hitler
decision or Hitler order for the `Final Solution' have been
systematically excised. Buried at the bottom of a single footnote
stands the solitary reference: `Chronology and circumstances point to
a Hitler decision before the summer ended.' In the new edition,
decisions were not made and orders were not given."
A lack of hard evidence for an extermination order by Hitler has
contributed to a controversy that divides Holocaust historians into
"intentionalists" and "functionalists." The former contend that there
was a premeditated extermination policy ordered by Hitler, while the
latter hold that Germany's wartime "final solution" Jewish policy
evolved at lower levels in response to circumstances. But the crucial
point here is this: notwithstanding the capture of literally tons of
German documents after the war, no one can point to documentary
evidence of a wartime extermination order, plan or program. This was
admitted by Professor Hilberg during his testimony in the 1985 trial
in Toronto of German-Canadian publisher Ernst Zündel. [8]
Auschwitz
So just what constitutes "Holocaust denial"? Surely a claim that most
Auschwitz inmates died from disease and not systematic extermination
in gas chambers would be "denial." But perhaps not. Jewish historian
Arno J. Mayer, a Princeton University professor, wrote in his 1988
study Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The 'Final Solution' in
History: "...From 1942 to 1945, certainly at Auschwitz , but probably
overall, more Jews were killed by so-called 'natural' causes than by
'unnatural' ones." [9]
Even estimates of the number of people who died at Auschwitz -
allegedly the main extermination center - are no longer clear cut. At
the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal, the Allies charged that the Germans
exterminated four million people at Auschwitz. [10] Until 1990, a
memorial plaque at Auschwitz read: "Four Million People Suffered and
Died Here at the Hands of the Nazi Murderers Between the Years 1940
and 1945." [11]
Is it "Holocaust denial" to dispute these four million deaths? Not
today. In July 1990, the Polish government's Auschwitz State Museum,
along with Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust center, conceded that the
four million figure was a gross exaggeration, and references to it
were accordingly removed from the Auschwitz monument. Israeli and
Polish officials announced a tentative revised toll of 1.1 million
Auschwitz dead. [12] In 1993, French Holocaust researcher Jean-Claude
Pressac, in a much-discussed book about Auschwitz, estimated that
altogether about 775,000 died there during the war years. [13]
Professor Mayer acknowledges that the question of how many really died
in Auschwitz remains open. In Why Did the Heavens Not Darken? he
wrote: [14}
"... Many questions remain open ... All in all, how many bodies were
cremated in Auschwitz? How many died there all told? What was the
national, religious, and ethnic breakdown in this commonwealth of
victims? How many of them were condemned to die a 'natural' death and
how many were deliberately slaughtered? And what was the proportion of
Jews among those murdered in cold blood among these gassed? We have
simply no answers to these questions at this time."
Gas Chambers
What about denying the existence of extermination "gas chambers"? Here
too, Mayer makes a startling statement: "Sources for the study of the
gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable." While Mayer believes
that such chambers did exist at Auschwitz, he points out that "most of
what is known is based on the depositions of Nazi officials and
executioners at postwar trials and on the memory of survivors and
bystanders. This testimony must be screened carefully, since it can be
influenced by subjective factors of great complexity." [15}
Höss Testimony
One example of this might be the testimony of Rudolf Höss, an SS
officer who served as commandant of Auschwitz. In its Judgment, the
Nuremberg International Military Tribunal quoted at length from his
testimony to support its findings of extermination. [16]
It is now well established that Höss' crucial testimony, as well as
his so-called "confession" - which was also cited by the Nuremberg
Tribunal - are not only false, but were obtained by beating the former
commandant nearly to death. [17] Höss' wife and children were also
threatened with death and deportation to Siberia. In his statement -
which would not be admissible today in any United States court of law
- Höss claimed the existence of an extermination camp called "Wolzek."
In fact, no such camp ever existed. He further claimed that during the
time that he was commandant of Auschwitz, two and a half million
people were exterminated there, and that a further half million died
of disease. [18] Today no reputable historian upholds these figures.
Höss was obviously willing to say anything, sign anything and do
anything to stop the torture, and to try to save himself and his
family.
Forensic Investigations
In his 1988 book, Professor Mayer calls for "excavations at the
killing sites and in their immediate environs" to determine more about
the gas chambers. In fact, such forensic studies have been made. The
first was conducted in 1988 by American execution equipment
consultant, Fred A. Leuchter, Jr. He carried out an on-site forensic
examination of the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau and
Majdanek to determine if they could have been used to kill people as
claimed. After a careful study of the alleged killing facilities,
Leuchter concluded that the sites were not used, and could not have
been used, as homicidal gas chambers. Furthermore, an analysis of
samples taken by Leuchter from the walls and floors of the alleged gas
chambers showed either no or minuscule traces of cyanide compound,
from the active ingredient of Zyklon B, the pesticide allegedly used
to murder Jews at Auschwitz. [19]
A confidential forensic examination (and subsequent report)
commissioned by the Auschwitz State Museum and conducted by Institute
of Forensic Research in Krakow has confirmed Leuchter's finding that
minimal or no traces of cyanide compound can be found in the sites
alleged to have been gas chambers. [20]
The significance of this is evident when the results of the forensic
examination of the alleged homicidal gas chambers are compared with
the results of the examination of the Auschwitz disinfestation
facilities, where Zyklon B was used to delouse mattresses and
clothing. Whereas no or only trace amounts of cyanide were found in
the alleged homicidal gas chambers, massive traces of cyanide were
found in the walls and floor in the camp's disinfestation delousing
chambers.
Another forensic study was carried out by German chemist Germar
Rudolf. On the basis of his on-site examination and analysis of
samples, the certified chemist and doctoral candidate concluded: "For
chemical-technical reasons, the claimed mass gassings with hydrocyanic
acid in the alleged 'gas chambers' in Auschwitz did not take place ...
The supposed facilities for mass killing in Auschwitz and Birkenau
were not suitable for this purpose..." [21]
There is also the study of Austrian engineer Walter Lüftl, a respected
expert witness in numerous court cases, and former president of
Austria's professional association of engineers. In a 1992 report he
called the alleged mass extermination of Jews in gas chambers
"technically impossible." [22]
Discredited Perspective
So just what constitutes "Holocaust denial"? Those who support
criminal persecution of "Holocaust deniers" seem to be still living in
the world of 1946 where the Allied officials of the Nuremberg Tribunal
have just pronounced their verdict. But the Tribunal's findings can no
longer be assumed to be valid. Because it relied so heavily on such
untrustworthy evidence as the Höss testimony, some of its most
critical findings are now discredited.
For purposes of their own, powerful special interest groups
desperately seek to keep substantive discussion of the Holocaust story
taboo. One of the ways they do this is by purposely mischaracterizing
revisionist scholars as "deniers." But the truth can't be suppressed
forever: There is a very real and growing controversy about what
actually happened to Europe's Jews during World War II.
Let this issue be settled as all great historical controversies are
resolved: through free inquiry and open debate in our journals,
newspapers and classrooms.
Notes
1. The Globe and Mail (Toronto), Jan. 22, 1992.
2. Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military
Tribunal (IMT "blue series"), Vol. 22, p. 496.
3. IMT "blue series," Vol. 22, p. 496.
4. The Globe and Mail (Toronto), April 25, 1990; See also: M. Weber,
"Jewish Soap," The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1991.
5. The Canadian Jewish News (Toronto), Jan. 30, 1992, p. 8.
6. See: Barbara Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die: Report of
the Evidence in the Canadian 'False News' Trial of Ernst Zündel
(Toronto: Samisdat, 1992), pp. 192, 300, 349.
7. C. Browning, "The Revised Hilberg," Simon Wiesenthal Annual, Vol.
3, 1986, p. 294; B. Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die (1992),
p. 117.
8. B. Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die (1992), pp. 24-25.
9. A. Mayer, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The 'Final Solution' in
History (Pantheon, 1988), p. 365.
10. Nuremberg document 008-USSR, in IMT "blue series," Vol. 39, pp.
241, 261.
11. B. Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die (1992), p. 441.
12. Y. Bauer, "Fighting the Distortions," The Jerusalem Post (Israel),
Sept. 22, 1989; "Auschwitz Deaths Reduced to a Million," The Daily
Telegraph (London), July 17, 1990; " Poland Reduces Auschwitz Death
Toll Estimate to 1 Million," The Washington Times, July 17, 1990.
13. J.-C. Pressac, Les Crémetoires d'Auschwitz: La machinerie du
meurtre de masse (Paris: CNRS, 1993), p. 148. See also: R. Faurisson,
"Jean-Claude Pressac's New Auschwitz Book," The Journal of Historical
Review, Jan.-Feb. 1994, p. 24.
14. A. Mayer, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken? (1988), p. 366.
15. A. Mayer, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken? (1988), pp. 362-363.
16. IMT "blue series," Vol. 1, pp. 251-252; Nuremberg document 3868-
PS, in IMT "blue series," Vol. 33, pp. 275-279.
17. Rupert Butler, Legions of Death (England: 1983), pp. 235-237.
18. See: R. Faurisson, "How the British Obtained the Confession of
Rudolf Höss," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87, pp.
389-403.
19. See, for example: B. Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die
(1992), pp. 469-502. See also: M. Weber, "Fred Leuchter: Courageous
Defender of Historical Truth," The Journal of Historical Review,
Winter 1992-93, pp. 421-428
( http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p421_Weber.html )
20. "An Official Polish Report on the Auschwitz 'Gas Chambers'," The
Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1991, pp. 207-216.
21. G. Rudolf, Gutachten ueber die Bildung und Nachweisbarkeit von
Cyanidverbindungen in den 'Gaskammern' von Auschwitz (London: 1993)
( http://www.vho.org/D/rga/ ); The Rudolf Report (in English) (
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/ )
22. "The 'Lüftl Report'," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter
1992-93.
This essay is adapted from a text first published in 1992 by the
Canadian Free Speech League.
About the Author
Barbara Kulaszka is a Canadian lawyer who practices law in Brighton,
Ontario. She is best known for her work in free speech cases. During
the 1988 "Holocaust trial" in Toronto, she served a co-counsel (with
Doug Christie) for defendant Ernst Zundel. In 1999 she was awarded the
"George Orwell Award" by the Canadian Free Speech League.
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Wexford
<zzzxtyryyetytr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> See for yourself: Judea Declares War on Germany - The Real Holocaust
>
> What is 'Holocaust Denial'?
Drivel like this article. Crawl back under your rock. The holocaust is
the most documented atrocity in human history. I's call you a moron,
but that would insult morons. You're a liar and Nazi wannabe. There's
more honor in a turd.
Kurt Knoll
scare anyone that tares to ask questions. Anyone who dares to ask questions
is considered a holocaust denier. Whoever does asks questions is only doing
so because he wants to deny the holocaust . Likewise we could say they have
something to hide. What other reason would there be for them victimizing
whole nations and force the to only believe what they are saying. A society
like this that harasses and intimidate other can simply not be trusted.
Kurt Knoll.
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RJ11
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
Mass graves found at Nazi camp
Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
death camp in north-eastern Poland.
The research team, which began its government-sponsored investigation
in the summer, said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
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RJ.
Kurt Knoll
Kurt Knoll.
"RJ11" <rj...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:foecmc$ibh$1...@pcls6.std.com...
Kurt Knoll
When people who are asking questions about it being taken to court I do get
suspicious. For you it is a one way street and hallelujah fanatics act the
same way. We liven in a modern society where someone or call it anyone
should have the right to ask questions.
Just remember in the middle ages humans were killed for not believing in the
holly ghost.
Kurt Knoll.
"Wexford" <wry...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Wolfgang Kieckbusch
the Village Idiot of Kitimat, Canada
Werner Knoll,
the Village Idiot of Vancouver, Canada
Wolfgang Kieckbusch, Germany
These statements from Mr. Knoll illustrate the high intellectual
standards observed by Holocaust deniers:
"Go and read what Professor Faurisson has to say about dissecting the
Holocaust. Could it be this was the reason why he was Assassinated
twice." <3c962...@binaries.vphos.net, Mar. 18, 2002>
"Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail Bu you people
did hang him after that."
"No, I myself am not anti-Semitic, I just don't like Jews!"
"No wonder years after the war was over he found some more diaries of
Ann Frank and she did not know about it."
"By refinishion you i mean you on their side definetly you opinons
are."
"People want to know all the facts whatever they are true or not."
"We all know it but they will have us believe they have absolutely no
influence on governments. Not believing it would be anti emetic."
"Rumours also has it the letter was written on an unknown typewriter
in about 1950 but the letter was send to the state department about in
1940."
"Listen guy. Your holocuast industries is clear. For another trik and
I'll hold my scrotum in my mouth for as long as it taks."
"If the holocaust critics are stupid it is because Jews are at times
outright corrupt. What is it really you do want them to believe."
"Well the con you documents a single that I originated. Give me the
date of the posting and the title." Nov. 7, 2007
"Since all you knowledge is coming out of your holocaust Fairydale
book I will not your naivety holding against you."
"I am not stressed out since I can analyze your holohoax in my
urine."
"When I wend and stuck my penis in my ear, I know that I am right!"
"How do you do fact finding if you do not want to know anything." Nov.
10, 2007
"Looking who things proceed today is no longer what is right or wrong
but one side are you on."
"Perhaps if you could tell the truth others would not as all the
questions." Nov. 12, 2007
"Hey Tony will there ever be a time when you can reply in blain
English." , Nov. 12, 2007
"No, the holocaust is not about history it is about a Ukrainian
Sausage!"
"What's now as a cut and con artist you can not supply a honest
posting showing the time and day including the heating of the posting
so I can check it out a Google. ,
"Studying the area is alright me questing therefore is studied by
whom." Nov. 17, 2007
"You are calling other that ask questions about the holocaust
despicable. I suggest you take a very good look at yourself. What you
have is false bride and nothing else." , Nov. 25, 2007
"No Tony the procedure used by you holohoaxers has always be the same.
And this is search and destruct anyone that is in your hollow way." ,
Nov. 26, 2007
"Makes on wonder how much basic education and coming sense they have.
Or is their brain attached to a chewing gum." , Dec. 1, 2007
"Nanalize the Word all He facts. A brain will tell you what it
means." , Dec. 2007
"Oh boy what kind of primitive mentality does he really have. I
sincerely hope his mom and Dad are not proud if it. What the produced
ended up as a vegetable." Dec. 9, 2007
"The coal mine did converted to a brewery. Guess what I was their best
customer making sure now was left half full," <0RZ6j.11399$iU.
8119@pd7urf2no>,, Dec. 9, 2007
In a comment about water, Mr. Knoll said, " am glad you know what HO2
Means. Dec. 16, 2007. HO2?. He decided to clarify by adding, "To begin
with the H stands for hydrogen."
"What is it exactly you are drying to say." <2TA9j.
7866$hQ3.5337@pd7urf3no>, December 17, 2007
"Get eady of your worms first It wildefinetly affect you brain you
stibid fucker. Her is waht i did bouild with my on hans and every
litlle tools..." i<17gbj.5063$DP1.3176@pd7urf2no> Dec. 22, 2007
"Kenneth McVay is a paid shenanigan for the holocaust industry. And
will sing their song as long as he can. There is an old saying and
this is 'Whose bread I eat his song I will sing' And it rally applies
to him." (Dec. 27, 2007)
"Henry the world is opening their eyes and brain. Asking questions.
How is it the Jews want to dictate to the whole world what pole in
other countries shave to think. Honest you never were and never will
be. You are creating your very own mistrust against all of you." Jan.
3, 2008
"Patton did not have any flaws he did call a spate a spate. The only
thing you hate about him is his open mind and he did not dance to your
Jewish Fidel." , Jan. 14, 2008
TurkeyBoy
<zzzxtyryyetytr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> See for yourself: Judea Declares War on Germany - The Real Holocaust
>
> What is 'Holocaust Denial'?
> By Barbara Kulaszka
>
> In recent years, considerable attention has been devoted to the
> supposed danger of "Holocaust denial." Politicians, newspapers and
> television warn about the growing influence of those who reject the
> Holocaust story that some six million European Jews were
> systematically exterminated during the Second World War, most of them
> in gas chambers.
>
> In several countries, including Israel, France, Germany and Austria,
> "Holocaust denial" is against the law, and "deniers" have been
> punished with stiff fines and prison sentences. Some Jewish community
> leaders have called for similar measures in North America. In Canada,
> David Matas, Senior Counsel for the "League for Human Rights" of the
> Zionist B'nai B'rith organization, says: [1]
>
> "The Holocaust was the murder of six million Jews, including two
> million children. Holocaust denial is a second murder of those same
> six million. First their lives were extinguished; then their deaths. A
> person who denies the Holocaust becomes part of the crime of the
> Holocaust itself."
>
> Often overlooked in this controversy is the crucial question: Just
> what constitutes "Holocaust denial"?
>
> Six Million?
I have no clue and doubt if anyone else knows for sure but you pose a
valid question: Just what constitutes "Holocaust denial"?
The holo legend has been getting better and better with each telling
and if you accept each and every cock and bull story today, you may
still become a "Holocaust denial" if you question stories that they
sure to come up with tomorrow and after tomorrow.
Condemning the barbaric crimes of Nazi Israel against the Palestinians
and its Arab neighbors could also be "Holocaust denial".
Condemning the Jewish instigated Iraq war and resisting Jewish
pressure to start a war against Iran could also be "Holocaust denial".
Just about anything and everything, the Zionazis do not like could
also be "Holocaust denial".
It is a lot like: 'Antisemite' used to mean someone who hates Jews.
Now it means someone whom the Jews hate. --LA Rollins
Where do you stop?
The irony of it is that Jews are probably the worst Holocaust deniers
because they cynically support Turkey in their efforts to deny the
Armenian Genocide. One needs to ask the question Jews value Jews lives
so much more than other lives that it is acceptable to deny the
Armenian Genocide but not the Jewish Genocide:
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http://www.forward.com/articles/11847/
Turkish Jews Decry Armenian Genocide Bill
By Marc Perelman
Wed. Oct 17, 2007
In its bare-knuckled lobbying to defeat a congressional resolution
recognizing the Armenian genocide, Turkey has gained a valuable ally:
its own Jews.
Last week an advertisement from the "Jewish community of Turkey" was
published in the conservative Washington Times and was quickly passed
around the capital by Turkey's lobbyists. The ad warned that the
overwhelming majority of Turks view Congress's intervention as
"inappropriate, unjust, and gratuitously anti-Turkish."
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If Jews mean what they say when they say that "person who denies the
Holocaust becomes part of the crime of the Holocaust itself" then they
are part of the crime of Armenian Genocide itself.
Is there a double standard here?
Have a nice vegetarian day!
RJ11
Istvan Lippai, posting as "TurkeyBoy <atat...@hotmail.com>", wrote:
(snip)
"The Nazis offered a solution and I find it difficult to
blame them" -- Istvan Lippai justifies the mass murder of men,
women, and children by the Nazis. Source:
Message-ID: <1182396900....@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
RJ.
Corey
If the Holocaust didnt happen, then I don't have fingers to type
with....
On Feb 6, 10:02 pm, "nowarforisrael.com"
<zzzxtyryyetytr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
parsi...@gmail.com
Fuck off, nazi piece of shit.
Kenneth McVay OBC
The Intellectual Leader of Holocaust Revisionism,
Kurt Knoll, the reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat,
Really, Leading Revisionist Scholar Knoll?
Bhuddists have to believe it?
Mormons have to believe it?
Moslems have to believe it?
>When people who are asking questions about it being taken to court I do get
>suspicious. For you it is a one way street and hallelujah fanatics act the
>same way. We liven in a modern society where someone or call it anyone
>should have the right to ask questions.
>
>Just remember in the middle ages humans were killed for not believing in the
>holly ghost.
What is this "holly ghost" you keep babbling about, Leading Revisionist Scholar
Knoll? Is it the ghost of a long-dead Christman wreath?
38 Statements Qualifying Kurt Knoll as the Intellectual Giant
of Holocaust Denial:
(See http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/k/knoll-kurt/ for the first 36)
37. "You are absolutely right this characterless pricks are acting like
twisted snakes. I don't think anyone can get an honest answerer
from them. Using pseudo names is telling us what kind of
character they have." <%Xgpj.38459$4w.4183@pd7urf2no>, Jan. 3, 2008
38. "He is the most dishonest two face character I have ever seen in
my life. Everytime he replies to someone's and he sees or reads
something he does not like he's reply will be like always
but you lie but you lie. What we are looking at is a characterless
brick how can we advise what a brain sick idiot lives right next
to them. Nobody can shame a character like this."
<q5mpj.40051$4w.36236@pd7urf2no>, Jan. 3, 2008
--
"No, I myself am not anti-Semitic, I just don't like Jews!"
(Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org/
Wexford
> Is it really. So is the bible history and everyone has to believe in it.
> When people who are asking questions about it being taken to court I do get
> suspicious. For you it is a one way street and hallelujah fanatics act the
> same way. We liven in a modern society where someone or call it anyone
> should have the right to ask questions.
I've met people who were involved with liberating the camps. I've also
seen the films, read several books on it, and talked with survivors.
The holocaust deniers are liars of the worst sort, racists and Nazi
wannabes. They disgust any human being with the least sense of justice
or honor.
A.M.J.Pfuendl
"Wexford" <wry...@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:7d2b337e-e363-4b93...@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
yes indeed, and Kurt Knoll is a ultimate bastard
TurkeyBoy
Here are some holocaust deniers who are liars of the worst sort,
racists and ZioNazi wannabes. They disgust any human being with the
least sense of justice or honor:
Kurt Knoll
mermelstine is an eye witness but was not on the location. Benjamin
Wilkormiski wrote a best seller of his experience in a concentration Camp. A
friend of mine was captured by the British in northwest Germany and ended up
us a prisoner of war in a prison camp. He seen a whole bunch of pictures
from this camp hanging on the walls. An ex prisoner who was still in the
camp dolt him the Americans did bring these pictures into the camp when they
did arrive. We also see pictures of prisoners from Dachau where the heading
say the were gassed to death. But Today we know there was never any gassings
done in Dachau. A war is a two sided story and I like to compare what
explanation the other site has. And you people make sure we never get an
explanation from the other site.
Kurt Knoll.
"Wexford" <wry...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Kurt Knoll
"A.M.J.Pfuendl" <a.pf...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Thank you very much . I know I am in your holocaust way.. But I exercise my
right of asking questions whatever you like it or not. And yes I never did
threaten anyone for their believes you people do.
Kurt Knool
>
Kenneth McVay OBC
The Intellectual Leader of Holocaust Revisionism,
Kurt Knoll, the reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat,
<kkn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Elie Wiesel admits he is only repeating what he did hear from others. Mel
He does? Where, Leading Revisionist Scholar Knoll?
>mermelstine is an eye witness but was not on the location. Benjamin
What location, Leading Revisionist Scholar Knoll?
>Wilkormiski wrote a best seller of his experience in a concentration Camp. A
He was, as anyone who can walk and chew gum at the same time knows, a liar,
exposed long ago as such on "60 Minutes" and elsewhere.
>friend of mine was captured by the British in northwest Germany and ended up
>us a prisoner of war in a prison camp. He seen a whole bunch of pictures
>from this camp hanging on the walls. An ex prisoner who was still in the
>camp dolt him the Americans did bring these pictures into the camp when they
>did arrive.
Document the existence of this "friend" who was "dolt," Leading Revisionist Scholar
Knoll.
>We also see pictures of prisoners from Dachau where the heading
>say the were gassed to death. But Today we know there was never any gassings
>done in Dachau. A war is a two sided story and I like to compare what
Where are these pictures of Dachau dead with the heading saying they were
all gassed, Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll?
>explanation the other site has. And you people make sure we never get an
>explanation from the other site.
You are lying about the gas chamber at Dachau, Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll.
You know full well it was used on an experimental basis, a fact long ago confimed by
Germany's leading experts. You refuse to contact the IFZ, of course, even though you
requested - and received - full contact information. You know full well that they can
support their assertion with documents, and you know full well you are lying.
You seem to do that a lot, Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll. Why is that?
Here, once again, is what the Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe (Institute
for Contemporary History) in Munich has to say about Dachau:
"Dachau (Upper Bavaria, northeast of Munich): During the establishment of
a new house of cremation in 1942 also a gas chamber was established in it
in which in connection with the medical experiments of the chief company
commander of SS Dr. Rascher also a few experimental gassings were undertaken,
as more recent research has confirmed. (On that see Gunther Kimmel:
The Concentration Camp Dachau. A study of the Nazi crimes of violence in
Bavaria in the NS-time II, edited by Martin Broszat and Elke Froehlich,
Munich, R. Oldenburg Press, 1979, P. 391.) Larger gassing operations
have not taken place in Dachau.
"The above mentioned numbers of the people killed in the gas chambers of
the individual camps are only approximations. They also only refer to the
people killed in gassing operations. The number of the Jews killed in
Europe due to the effects of the Nazi tyranny amounts, according to the
newest research to at least 5.29 million. Possibly, however, also more
than six million."
38 Statements Qualifying Kurt Knoll as the Intellectual Giant
of Holocaust Denial:
(See http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/k/knoll-kurt/ for the first 36)
37. "You are absolutely right this characterless pricks are acting like
twisted snakes. I don't think anyone can get an honest answerer
from them. Using pseudo names is telling us what kind of
character they have." <%Xgpj.38459$4w.4183@pd7urf2no>, Jan. 3, 2008
38. "He is the most dishonest two face character I have ever seen in
my life. Everytime he replies to someone's and he sees or reads
something he does not like he's reply will be like always
but you lie but you lie. What we are looking at is a characterless
brick how can we advise what a brain sick idiot lives right next
to them. Nobody can shame a character like this."
<q5mpj.40051$4w.36236@pd7urf2no>, Jan. 3, 2008
--
"A better idea: Russian, Chinese, Indian, Korean, French, and Pali
nukes melting Israel into the sea." ("Chester Field," Leading
Revisionist Scholar who appears to have forgotten his name.)
tur...@shaw.ca
A.M.J.Pfuendl
"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Kurt Knool
Cohngratulation, you have a new Name!
Kurt Knool, the village idiot round the world
Wexford
> Elie Wiesel admits he is only repeating what he did hear from others.
Elie Wiesel was a prisoner in Buchenwald, you idiot.
>Mel
> mermelstine is an eye witness but was not on the location. Benjamin
> Wilkormiski wrote a best seller of his experience in a concentration Camp. A
> friend of mine was captured by the British in northwest Germany and ended up
> us a prisoner of war in a prison camp. He seen a whole bunch of pictures
> from this camp hanging on the walls. An ex prisoner who was still in the
> camp dolt him the Americans did bring these pictures into the camp when they
> did arrive. We also see pictures of prisoners from Dachau where the heading
> say the were gassed to death. But Today we know there was never any gassings
> done in Dachau. A war is a two sided story and I like to compare what
> explanation the other site has. And you people make sure we never get an
> explanation from the other site.
> Kurt Knoll.
What other side, moron? The Germans admit what they did. THEY ADMIT
IT. There is no other side.
Kurt Knoll
Who did you torture into submission to say anything you want. Was there ever
a time where the Germans were allowed to verify what you eye witnesses sad
or was anyone ever allowed to gross examine them. How much torture did the
allied use to get confessions. Did the remaining camp guards receive a gag
order after the trial were over and ordered not to talk to anyone.
Kurt Knoll.
cactus
was produced by everyone whose people had atrocities committed against
them in the death camps, in villages, in towns. You must be illiterate
not to be able to read them. The German people, who must be ashamed to
have you as a member did much of the prosecutions themselves. There's
plenty of documentation for those able to read. Why don't you go and
sleep with David Irving - you are about as credible as he is.
Fucking ignoramus.
Kurt Knoll
Kurt Knoll.
"A.M.J.Pfuendl" <a.pf...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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A.M.J.Pfuendl
> Nothing wrong here I can definitely see you have a very limited mentality.
> Kurt Knoll.
the best example are you:
These statements from Mr. Knoll illustrate the high intellectual standards
observed by Holocaust deniers (knoenglish/knollisch):
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/k/knoll-kurt/
supplemented of A.M.J.Pfuendl
1.. "Go and read what Professor Faurisson has to say about dissecting the
Holocaust. Could it be this was the reason why he was Assassinated twice."
<3c962...@binaries.vphos.net, Mar. 18, 2002>
2.. "Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail Bu you people
did hang him after that."
3.. "No, I myself am not anti-Semitic, I just don't like Jews!"
4.. "No wonder years after the war was over he found some more diaries of
Ann Frank and she did not know about it."
5.. "By refinishion you i mean you on their side definetly you opinons
are."
6.. "People want to know all the facts whatever they are true or not."
7.. "We all know it but they will have us believe they have absolutely no
influence on governments. Not believing it would be anti emetic."
8.. "Rumours also has it the letter was written on an unknown typewriter
in about 1950 but the letter was send to the state department about in
1940."
9.. "Listen guy. Your holocuast industries is clear. For another trik and
I'll hold my scrotum in my mouth for as long as it taks."
10.. "If the holocaust critics are stupid it is because Jews are at times
outright corrupt. What is it really you do want them to believe."
11.. "Well the con you documents a single that I originated. Give me the
date of the posting and the title." Nov. 7, 2007
12.. "Since all you knowledge is coming out of your holocaust Fairydale
book I will not your naivety holding against you."
13.. "I am not stressed out since I can analyze your holohoax in my
urine."
14.. "When I wend and stuck my penis in my ear, I know that I am right!"
15.. "How do you do fact finding if you do not want to know anything."
Nov. 10, 2007
16.. "Looking who things proceed today is no longer what is right or wrong
but one side are you on."
17.. "Perhaps if you could tell the truth others would not as all the
questions." Nov. 12, 2007
18.. "Hey Tony will there ever be a time when you can reply in blain
English." , Nov. 12, 2007
19.. "No, the holocaust is not about history it is about a Ukrainian
Sausage!"
20.. "What's now as a cut and con artist you can not supply a honest
posting showing the time and day including the heating of the posting so I
can check it out a Google. ,
21.. "Studying the area is alright me questing therefore is studied by
whom." Nov. 17, 2007
22.. "You are calling other that ask questions about the holocaust
despicable. I suggest you take a very good look at yourself. What you have
is false bride and nothing else." , Nov. 25, 2007
23.. "No Tony the procedure used by you holohoaxers has always be the
same. And this is search and destruct anyone that is in your hollow way." ,
Nov. 26, 2007
24.. "Makes on wonder how much basic education and coming sense they have.
Or is their brain attached to a chewing gum." , Dec. 1, 2007
25.. "Nanalize the Word all He facts. A brain will tell you what it
means." , Dec. 2007
26.. "Oh boy what kind of primitive mentality does he really have. I
sincerely hope his mom and Dad are not proud if it. What the produced ended
up as a vegetable." Dec. 9, 2007
27.. "The coal mine did converted to a brewery. Guess what I was their
best customer making sure now was left half full,"
<0RZ6j.11399$iU.8119@pd7urf2no>,, Dec. 9, 2007
28.. In a comment about water, Mr. Knoll said, " am glad you know what HO2
Means. Dec. 16, 2007. HO2?. He decided to clarify by adding, "To begin with
the H stands for hydrogen."
29.. "What is it exactly you are drying to say."
<2TA9j.7866$hQ3.5337@pd7urf3no>, December 17, 2007
30.. "Get eady of your worms first It wildefinetly affect you brain you
stibid fucker. Her is waht i did bouild with my on hans and every litlle
tools..." i<17gbj.5063$DP1.3176@pd7urf2no> Dec. 22, 2007
31.. "Kenneth McVay is a paid shenanigan for the holocaust industry. And
will sing their song as long as he can. There is an old saying and this is
'Whose bread I eat his song I will sing' And it rally applies to him." (Dec.
27, 2007)
32.. "Henry the world is opening their eyes and brain. Asking questions.
How is it the Jews want to dictate to the whole world what pole in other
countries shave to think. Honest you never were and never will be. You are
creating your very own mistrust against all of you." Jan. 3, 2008
33.. "Patton did not have any flaws he did call a spate a spate. The only
thing you hate about him is his open mind and he did not dance to your
Jewish Fidel." , Jan. 14, 2008
34.. Yes i know it is the size of a banana and always very stiff
35.. Somehow I have the feeling it just did get transferred from your
ashole into your brain.
36.. Ach was ist das für ein Leben wenn sie ihre Ärsche heben
37.. Passe auf das ich dich nicht mit meinen Arsch vergase es könte ja
eine Explosion geben
38.. Darum wollen ja die amerikner understützung anderer nationen für das
prject
starr war. Der hauptgrund für starwar is es andere staeliten oder raketen
abzuschiesen. Ein solche sytem ist ja sehr kostlich und sie woll
internationalees geld. Sebstverständlich wen es ferting ist werden sie es
seine welche darüber kontrolle haben
39.. Jerusalem gehört den Leuten die schon immer und ewig dort wohnten und
diese
sind bestimmt nicht die Juden.
40.. Amerika ist ein Riesen großes Land im Vergleich zu Israel. Warum
wollen denn
die Amerikaner ihre Israelischen freunde im eigenen Land habe. Haben sie
denn angst das sie dann auch ausgeschmiert werden.
cactus
Michael Ceglar
> "A.M.J.Pfuendl" <a.pfue...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fofd45$94d$01$1...@news.t-online.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Wexford" <wrya...@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> >news:7d2b337e-e363-4b93...@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 7, 3:12 am, "Kurt Knoll" <kkno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> Is it really. So is the bible history and everyone has to believe in it.
> >>> When people who are asking questions about it being taken to court I do
> >>> get
> >>> suspicious. For you it is a one way street and hallelujah fanatics act
> >>> the
> >>> same way. We liven in a modern society where someone or call it anyone
> >>> should have the right to ask questions.
>
> >> I've met people who were involved with liberating the camps. I've also
> >> seen the films, read several books on it, and talked with survivors.
> >> The holocaust deniers are liars of the worst sort, racists and Nazi
> >> wannabes. They disgust any human being with the least sense of justice
> >> or honor.
>
> > yes indeed, and Kurt Knoll is a ultimate bastard
>
> Thank you very much . I know I am in your holocaust way.. But I exercise my
> right of asking questions whatever you like it or not.
The problem is that you are not able to stand the answers.
You know why.
Kenneth McVay OBC
The Intellectual Leader of Holocaust Revisionism,
Kurt Knoll, the reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat,
<kkn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Nothing wrong here I can definitely see you have a very limited mentality.
38 Statements Qualifying Kurt Knoll as the Intellectual Limited Mentality
of Holocaust Denial:
(See http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/k/knoll-kurt/ for the first 36)
37. "You are absolutely right this characterless pricks are acting like
twisted snakes. I don't think anyone can get an honest answerer
from them. Using pseudo names is telling us what kind of
character they have." <%Xgpj.38459$4w.4183@pd7urf2no>, Jan. 3, 2008
38. "He is the most dishonest two face character I have ever seen in
my life. Everytime he replies to someone's and he sees or reads
something he does not like he's reply will be like always
but you lie but you lie. What we are looking at is a characterless
brick how can we advise what a brain sick idiot lives right next
to them. Nobody can shame a character like this."
<q5mpj.40051$4w.36236@pd7urf2no>, Jan. 3, 2008
--
"Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
people did hang him after that"
(Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
Kurt Knoll
"cactus" <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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claiming or could this be against the laws in Germany.
Kurt Knoll.
Kurt Knoll
is certainly not me.
Kurt Knoll.
"Michael Ceglar" <mce...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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Kenneth McVay OBC
Kurt Knoll, the reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat,
<kkn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
>What choice did they have. Is anyone allowed to dissect what you are
>claiming or could this be against the laws in Germany.
Yes, anyone is allowed to dissect what he has claimed - doing so is not
against the law in Germany.
YOU have not contacted European universities to determine whether or not
materials you claim are "banned" are available.
YOU have not contacted the IFZ to ask them to document their claim about
Dachau.
YOU cannot produce a shred of documentation proving that a plaque exists
outside the Dachau camp which states that no one was ever gassed there.
YOU have not documented a single law that banned publication of newspapers
printed between 1918 and 1939.
YOU have not documented a single law which bans "discussion of the
Holocaust," or "asking questions about the Holocaust."
YOU have not documented or identified a single law which forbids
"dissection" of Holocaust historiography.
In short, Herr Knoll, you are a habitual liar.
Stupid, too.
38 Statements Qualifying Kurt Knoll as the Intellectual Giant
of Holocaust Denial:
(See http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/k/knoll-kurt/ for the first 36)
37. "You are absolutely right this characterless pricks are acting like
twisted snakes. I don't think anyone can get an honest answerer
from them. Using pseudo names is telling us what kind of
character they have." <%Xgpj.38459$4w.4183@pd7urf2no>, Jan. 3, 2008
38. "He is the most dishonest two face character I have ever seen in
my life. Everytime he replies to someone's and he sees or reads
something he does not like he's reply will be like always
but you lie but you lie. What we are looking at is a characterless
brick how can we advise what a brain sick idiot lives right next
to them. Nobody can shame a character like this."
<q5mpj.40051$4w.36236@pd7urf2no>, Jan. 3, 2008
--
IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany
and America's Most Powerful Corporation, by Edwin Black
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0609607995/thenizkorproject/
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
TurkeyBoy
In a free society, you would be entitled to your opinion about the
Armenian and Jewish genocides (deny or affirm as you please) just as
others are entitled to their opinions. You can find numerous reports,
videos and whatnot to support claims that the Armenian and Jewish
genocides happened and conversely you can find numerous reports,
videos and whatnot to support claims that the Armenian and Jewish
genocides did not happen.
What you want to believe is up to you and to anyone else. There are a
few countries where it is a crime to deny the Jewish Genocide and
people are in prison today for publishing works that dispute the
Jewish Genocide. In France, one can land in prison for denying the
Armenian or Jewish genocides while in Turkey someone can land in
prison for affirming the Armenian Genocide.
It would be best if every one could openly state their beliefs and
freely publish whatever they have to support their beliefs without
fear of punishment. Any story, no matter how personal it may be to
some, is of questionable value if it requires punishment to uphold its
validity.
Irving served time while Zundel is still in prison for "holocaust
denial". Those who value freedom and especially freedom of speech
condemn the persecution of these people even if they disagree with
their positions. If allowed to freely express their ideas, they could
be ridiculed by society but once imprisoned they became prisoners of
conscience.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zundel
Do you know if there are any Turkish historians currently in prison
for affirming the Armenian Genocide?
Tall Henry
In article <9d08c016-d577-43d0...@f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
TurkeyBoy <atat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It would be best if every one could openly state their beliefs and
> freely publish whatever they have to support their beliefs
If that's so, Mr. Lippai, who don't you
protest the following, posted by your nazi pal Cramer?
"How many times do we have to tell you that wikipedia
is NOT an unbiased source. It is a pro-yid site which should be
shut down." --posted by "Ben Cramer", Message-ID:
<YKqdnTaOYdW7R-zb...@giganews.com>.
tur...@shaw.ca
<atat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Do you know if there are any Turkish historians currently in prison
>for affirming the Armenian Genocide?
facts do not need affirmation, but theories need to be proven in order
to be recognized as facts
this "armenian genocide" can not be proven by the tools available
using the historical method
indeed, unfortunately many people perished due to various factors,
--nobody denies that, but an intent couldn't be proven to commit an
organized genocide
as professor lewis pointed out it would be a mistake to draw a
parallel between the armenian incident and the holocaust, and he even
explained why so
if you believe it is a false dichotomy that he has said,
you're free to refute his points
***************************************
" ... neither this Government nor previous British Governments have
judged that the evidence is sufficiently unequivocal to persuade us
that these events should be categorised as genocide as defined by the
1948 UN Convention on Genocide, a convention which is, in any event,
not retrospective in application."
TurkeyBoy
> >Do you know if there are any Turkish historians currently in prison
> >for affirming the Armenian Genocide?
>
> facts do not need affirmation, but theories need to be proven in order
> to be recognized as facts
>
> this "armenian genocide" can not be proven by the tools available
> using the historical method
>
> indeed, unfortunately many people perished due to various factors,
> --nobody denies that, but an intent couldn't be proven to commit an
> organized genocide
>
> as professor lewis pointed out it would be a mistake to draw a
> parallel between the armenian incident and the holocaust, and he even
> explained why so
The Armenian Genocide is not the topic of alt.revisionism but numerous
posters and numerous historians made the arguments you made above.
There is nothing wrong with people having differing opinions and while
you prefer to refer to the Armenian Genocide as the "armenian
incident", others have the same opinion about the jewish incident.
Some claim that there were less than 250,000 Jewish victims during ww2
while others have claimed well over 6 million. Without an unhindered
debate by historians representing all the sides, those who have an
interest in the "incident" will always question it.
>
> if you believe it is a false dichotomy that he has said,
> you're free to refute his points
I am sure that others far more qualified than we are have argued all
sides of armenian and jewish incidents. You can find a number of
entries supporting and disputing your position if you spend some time
searching the Internet. You do not need my help for that :)
Have fun searching and have a nice vegetarian day!
Kurt Knoll
not democratic it is scaring the rest of society not to dispute the
holocaust and a gag order.
Kurt Knoll.
"TurkeyBoy" <atat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Kenneth McVay OBC
The Intellectual Leader of Holocaust Revisionism,
Kurt Knoll, the reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat,
<kkn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>People are taken to court to make an example for the rest of society this is
>not democratic it is scaring the rest of society not to dispute the
>holocaust and a gag order.
Please identify the surveys cited with respect to what the "rest of society"
feels, and document the fear you claim they are experiencing.
YOU have not documented this "gag order" you often refer to.
YOU have not contacted European universities to determine whether or not
materials you claim are "banned" are available.
YOU have not contacted the IFZ to ask them to document their claim about
Dachau.
YOU cannot produce a shred of documentation proving that a plaque exists
outside the Dachau camp which states that no one was ever gassed there.
YOU have not documented a single law that banned publication of newspapers
printed between 1918 and 1939.
YOU have not documented a single law which bans "discussion of the
Holocaust," or "asking questions about the Holocaust."
THAT is why your claim that you are here to "find out the truth" is so
easily revealed as a blatant lie.
YOU have not documented or identified a single law which forbids
"dissection" of Holocaust historiography.
--
"The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a faith;
at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons."
(Sarte. Antisemite and Jew, p. 19)
Kurt Knoll
will do. As I can see anyone that does not agree with you is either a Nazi
or anti Semitism.
Kurt Knoll.
"Tall Henry" <n...@home.org> wrote in message
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cactus
> People are taken to court to make an example for the rest of society this is
> not democratic it is scaring the rest of society not to dispute the
> holocaust and a gag order.
> Kurt Knoll.
<snip>
Kurt, top posting is bad form. This is just a minor manifestation of
your worship of a discredited group that was indecently responsible for
the deaths of 50 Million people.
No one in the USA has been taken to court. David Irving tried to sue
for slander when the validity of his historical writings were
questioned. He lost, big time. Part of Germany's effort to destroy the
social cancers that caused its nazi past is to make its propaganda
illegal. This is a good thing. Remember, one has to take the entire
course of antibiotics even if feeling better after a day or two. Kill
it dead, kill its memory, and make it nothing but a blot on Germany's
reputation that will recede into historical infamy.
Kurt Knoll
events can be discussed freely in many nation except the holocaust. What is
it why you people have to victimize everyone the critics or does not believe
in your holocaust. The more you victimise others the less credibility you
will have. For the last 60 years I have only experienced falsehood from
you're site.
Kurt Knoll.
"cactus" <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Kenneth McVay OBC
The Intellectual Leader of Holocaust Revisionism,
Kurt Knoll, the reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat,
<kkn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I do not think you are living on the same planet as the rest of us. Historic
Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll, being a Revisionist First Class,
does not think at all.
38 Statements Qualifying Kurt Knoll as the Intellectual Giant
of Holocaust Denial:
(See http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/k/knoll-kurt/ for the first 36)
37. "You are absolutely right this characterless pricks are acting like
twisted snakes. I don't think anyone can get an honest answerer
from them. Using pseudo names is telling us what kind of
character they have." <%Xgpj.38459$4w.4183@pd7urf2no>, Jan. 3, 2008
38. "He is the most dishonest two face character I have ever seen in
my life. Everytime he replies to someone's and he sees or reads
something he does not like he's reply will be like always
but you lie but you lie. What we are looking at is a characterless
brick how can we advise what a brain sick idiot lives right next
to them. Nobody can shame a character like this."
<q5mpj.40051$4w.36236@pd7urf2no>, Jan. 3, 2008
--
"Grow up you ignorant kike vermin." (Scott Bradbury,
Bellville, Texas' Leading Revisionist Scholar)
The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Elie Wiesel admits he is only repeating what he did hear from others. Mel
> Wilkormiski wrote a best seller of his experience in a concentration Camp.
> A friend of mine was captured by the British in northwest Germany and
> ended up us a prisoner of war in a prison camp. He seen a whole bunch of
> pictures from this camp hanging on the walls. An ex prisoner who was still
> in the camp dolt him the Americans did bring these pictures into the camp
> when they did arrive. We also see pictures of prisoners from Dachau where
> the heading say the were gassed to death. But Today we know there was
> never any gassings done in Dachau. A war is a two sided story and I like
> to compare what explanation the other site has. And you people make sure
> we never get an explanation from the other site.
> Kurt Knoll.
It seems that you are quite the active poster. These are two gems
attributed to you:
>"Listen guy. Your holocuast industries is clear. For another trik and I'll
>hold my scrotum in my mouth for as long as it taks." "When I wend and stuck
>my penis in my ear, I know that I am right!"
I'll have to admit that you are quite talented, or at the very least quite
flexible, to be able to hold your scrotum in your mouth and stick your penis
in your ear. Take those two talents and add shoving your head up your ass
and you have pulled off quite a hat trick.
Kurt Knoll
Kurt Knoll.
"The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in
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raven1
wrote:
In one eleven-word sentence you managed to squeeze in a spelling error
("you" for "your"), two punctuation mistakes (there needed to be a "?"
after "name" and "incognito"), and a factual error (the OP's nym is
below yours, not above it). Brilliant!
raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:01:54 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>In one eleven-word sentence you managed to squeeze in a spelling error
>("you" for "your")
Make that *two* spelling errors ("incognitio" for "incognito",
accidentally missed it the first time through).
B'in'amin Cram'er
"raven1" <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:01:54 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> In one eleven-word sentence you managed to squeeze in a spelling error
> ("you" for "your"), two punctuation mistakes (there needed to be a "?"
> after "name" and "incognito"), and a factual error (the OP's nym is
> below yours, not above it). Brilliant!
You appear to get off on spelling and grammar errors.
Try this clown for size.
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> so you admit that you ddge[sic] giving an answer because you
> don't like the fact that our president is involved w/the[sic]
> oiligrachy[sic].
>
> Susan
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> This is illogical, because peole[sic], even if they "act unthinkingly"
> really do have *some* thought before they act.
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> As Ithought[sic] I said before, I know it doesn't happen because
> the PLO, et al, have used the absence of rape to try to pretend
> the IDF is full of homosexuals.
>
> Susan
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> The latter is truem[sic], the former is not.
> Susan
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Ye,s[sic] it's called "Torah."
> Susan
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> so you admit that you ddge[sic] giving an answer because you
> don't like the fact that our president is involved w/the oiligrachy[sic].
>
> Susan
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> The Jewish business owners I knew always out[sic] up generic
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Absolutely no problem whatoever[sic]
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Exceptr[sic] that they had warnings - and if the didn;t[sic] feel they
> were wanrings[sic],
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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& mn[sic] can;t[sic]
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Harsdly[sic] a rescue,
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> That's a compliment I nay[sic] have to decline
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> & it might bebetter[sic] to learn tha[sic] "positive" does not mean
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:flf76d$jvt$1...@falcon.steinthal.us...
> This is illogical, because peole[sic], even if they "act unthinkingly"
> really do have *some* thought before they act.
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> As I thought[sic] I said before, I know it doesn't happen because
> the PLO, et al, have used the absence of rape to try to pretend
> the IDF is full of homosexuals.
> Susan
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:flhtk2$7bh$1...@falcon.steinthal.us...
> The latter is truem]sic], the former is not.
> Susan
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Ye,s[sic] it's called "Torah."
> Susan
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:cVggj.831$sH.664@trnddc04...
> Yes & no.
> Itwould[sic] be understandable, because it's *instinctual*
> to save your own children first - or shold[sic] be.
> Of course they would hate you, but then, ask them if
> they would have saved their own child if theycould[sic]?
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:Aeigj.5923$Xo1.1199@trnddc06...
> You are such a STUPID little liar!
> I could even tell you where/how you tripped up, but
> it's much more[sic] fun to watch you flounder more!
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:qoigj.5930$Xo1.3583@trnddc06...
> Keep your misisonizing[sic] to yourself, bigot, & you won't
> need to see anything that upsets you.
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> The State of Colorado should of hanged you *years* ago.
>
> Susan
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Shut the fuck up, Warren, you stupid goy a"hole.
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:LP6hj.3718$Z61.1345@trnddc07...
> Tilly, he knows all abot[sic] his suck puppet master - but
> you also know how fairly insane he is in his denial.
>
>> We were subjected to his views on people
>> who'love'animals[sic] and animals who 'love' people including how animals
>> can
>> consent to having sex with humans.
> Susan
On Jan 10, 4:18 am, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> By decree, however, Charles is Mountbatten, if not Andrew[sic].
> She had made theoriginal[sic] announcement about "Windsor"
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:PW6hj.3724$Z61.2599@trnddc07...
> Thenlying[sic] about it must actually *be* terrorism, because no one said
> anything about murder.
> It was clearly spelled out as execution for crimes that had been
> *ascertained*[sic].
>
> Only if you're grasoing[sic] at straws because you;ve[sic] got *nothing*.
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:6_6hj.3726$Z61.374@trnddc07...
Notice his pretense that if he ignores
> what I wrote & insists it's something[sic] else that this will
> change the facts?
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:F1vhj.11550$qV.3731@trnddc03...
> (Okay, & KKKramer also has to such[sic] on whatever the
> phony rev is sticking out, but that's as[sic] given, too)
>
> Susan
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:nFvhj.7333$sH.6375@trnddc04...
> The "Old Testament" is purely[sic] Xian[sic].
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> When I sued OE, it didn't foul things up at all.
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Ah, thanks explains a lot - thanks.
>
> Susan
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> But he does seem to be somewhat reactionary[sic].
>
> Susan
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:5i9kj.66$k15.31@trnddc06...
> He's amde[sic] specific enough remarks, this posrt[sic] included - to
> expose himself, yet again, as a liar.
> Susan
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> To get the record strat[sic], anyone who calls a Nazi exactly what he is
> gets
> called the opposite gender.
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Yeah, boy, just keep laughing, all the way to that cardboard
> box on the street where your iganorance[sic] will take you (&
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:BXxlj.4714$hk4.2828@trnddc03...
>I always wondered exactly[sic] *what* lies Robert Fisk told -
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:o5cnj.1456$ZO5.124@trnddc03...
> That exist loser certainly does.[sic]
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:bQbnj.1448$ZO5.1135@trnddc03...
> I deny emphatically the false charge[sic] against Israel,
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:rCbnj.1443$ZO5.1238@trnddc03...
> And yet when Israel wants to evict thm[sic], the bigots whine a
> bout[sic] that, too.
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:yVdpj.45669$K%.23283@trnddc04...
> William[sic], the phopny[sic] rev isnot[sic] voting for Hillary.
Kurt Knoll
character.
Kurt Knoll.
"raven1" <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
> Is the above you real name why are you posting incognito.
> Kurt Knoll.
I've been around Usenet since April, 2001. I used to live in Colleyville,
Tx and posted with the moniker Colleyville Alan. I moved to Austin less
than 2 years ago and changed my moniker in a way that would reflect my new
location and yet give those who knew me the cue that it was still me
posting.
My last name is Charbonneau. The first name you should be able to guess
using the powers of your superior intellect.
Kurt Knoll
Kurt Knoll.
"The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in
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The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
> Looks like you are just talking to yourself.
> Kurt Knoll.
I replied to you. If replying to you is talking to myself, then so be it.
Thanks for letting us know that you are as responsive as a brick wall,
albeit with less intelligence.
Kurt Knoll
kk
"The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in
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Kenneth McVay OBC
Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll, the Intellectual Giant of Holocuast
Denial, appears to believe that your first name is "incognito."
Bizarre, to be sure, but consider the source:
39 Statements Qualifying Kurt Knoll as the Intellectual Giant
of Holocaust Denial:
(See http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/k/knoll-kurt/ for the first 37)
38. "He is the most dishonest two face character I have ever seen in
my life. Everytime he replies to someone's and he sees or reads
something he does not like he's reply will be like always
but you lie but you lie. What we are looking at is a characterless
brick how can we advise what a brain sick idiot lives right next
to them. Nobody can shame a character like this."
<q5mpj.40051$4w.36236@pd7urf2no>, Jan. 3, 2008
39. "Afraid I am of nothing but I would certainly question you character.
dry your dirty trick on someone else" <3Dirj.8810$Ly.8219@pd7urf1no>
February 9, 2008
--
"Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
people did hang him after that"
(Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
Kenneth McVay OBC
The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan <nos...@nospam.net> wrote:
>"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:Oikrj.9662$FA.1103@pd7urf2no...
>> Looks like you are just talking to yourself.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>I replied to you. If replying to you is talking to myself, then so be it.
>Thanks for letting us know that you are as responsive as a brick wall,
>albeit with less intelligence.
That is quite unfair to brick walls, Alan. You can prove this by addressing
any brick wall within shouting distance, and asking a question - ANY question.
You will then be forced to agree that brick walls, when asked about something
of which they know absolutely nothing, will remain silent.
Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll, however, the Village Idiot of
Kitimat, when asked about something of which *he* knows absolutely nothing
(which includes German history) will spout off the most specious
crap imaginable.
You owe brick walls everywhere an apology, Sir.
RJ11
B'in'amin Cram'er <yehood...@themoment.yes> wrote:
> You appear to get off on spelling and grammar errors.
In that case, he'll really enjoy your articles.
The uneducated, arrogant, stupid nazi "Ben Cramer" is most
amusing when he boasts of his "language skills", and makes
glaring mistakes in the process. Here are two classics:
"Don't even attempt to lecture a speaker of proper English
on it's use, please." -- "Ben Cramer", in
^^^^
Message-ID: <dntjng$2op2$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>.
"You're spelling's gone to the shitter again, cohen." --
^^^^^^
"Ben Cramer", in Message-ID: <edgr6r$dth$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>.
RJ.
cactus
> I do not think you are living on the same planet as the rest of us. Historic
> events can be discussed freely in many nation except the holocaust.
Bloody damn lie from a bloody damn liar. It can be discussed freely in
any country, except those that have made it illegal to do so, generally
with good reasons. Your problem is that if you want to lie when you
discuss it, you get what you deserve.
What is
> it why you people have to victimize everyone the critics or does not believe
> in your holocaust.
You have every right not to believe that it happened. The problem for
you is that there is overwhelming evidence in the form of written
documents kept by the nazis themselves, numerous accounts from witnesses
of a number of different faiths, trial testimony from death camp guards
and Ensatzgruppensoldaten, photographs, and confessions by such
criminals as Rudolf Hoess, the commandant of the Auschwitz death camp.
Denying that in the face of all the evidence is like claiming that the
Earth is flat and supported by giant turtles. You are going to get
ridiculed.
The more you victimise others the less credibility you
> will have. For the last 60 years I have only experienced falsehood from
> you're site.
Maybe you should wise up and face the truth. But since you have dug
yourself such a pit, the effort might kill you. So persist in your
delusions, for your health's sake. But just keep your bigoted lies out
of decent society.
> Kurt Knoll.
>
Kurt, top posting is bad form. This is just a minor manifestation of
your unwillingness to follow standard etiquette, let alone netequette,
and your depraved worship of a discredited group that was indecently
cactus
> On Feb 7, 5:49 pm, Wexford <wrya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 7, 3:12 am, "Kurt Knoll" <kkno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is it really. So is the bible history and everyone has to believe in it.
>>> When people who are asking questions about it being taken to court I do get
>>> suspicious. For you it is a one way street and hallelujah fanatics act the
>>> same way. We liven in a modern society where someone or call it anyone
>>> should have the right to ask questions.
>> I've met people who were involved with liberating the camps. I've also
>> seen the films, read several books on it, and talked with survivors.
>> The holocaust deniers are liars of the worst sort, racists and Nazi
>> wannabes. They disgust any human being with the least sense of justice
>> or honor.
>
> Here are some holocaust deniers who are liars of the worst sort,
> racists and ZioNazi wannabes. They disgust any human being with the
> least sense of justice or honor:
>
> ----------------------------------------
> http://www.forward.com/articles/11847/
Maybe you noticed Turkey, that it was Turkish Jews?? Jews are Jews in
whatever country we live in. I am an American Jew, and a proud one.
These Jews are Turkish Jews and equally proud of their Turkish heritage.
I happen not to agree with them, but it is their right to say what
they do.
You will find that most American and European Jews will disagree with
our Turkish co-religionists. That's life.
>
> Turkish Jews Decry Armenian Genocide Bill
>
> By Marc Perelman
> Wed. Oct 17, 2007
>
> In its bare-knuckled lobbying to defeat a congressional resolution
> recognizing the Armenian genocide, Turkey has gained a valuable ally:
> its own Jews.
>
> Last week an advertisement from the "Jewish community of Turkey" was
> published in the conservative Washington Times and was quickly passed
> around the capital by Turkey's lobbyists. The ad warned that the
> overwhelming majority of Turks view Congress's intervention as
> "inappropriate, unjust, and gratuitously anti-Turkish."
> ----------------------------------------
>
> If Jews mean what they say when they say that "person who denies the
> Holocaust becomes part of the crime of the Holocaust itself" then they
> are part of the crime of Armenian Genocide itself.
>
> Is there a double standard here?
>
tur...@shaw.ca
>
>You will find that most American and European Jews will disagree with
>our Turkish co-religionists.
how will one find that?
B'in'amin Cram'er
Yids don't get on with anyone, cactuskunt. And that includes themselves.
You only need to hang out in the moderated yid group to see evidence. of
that.
B'in'amin Cram'er
> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>> I do not think you are living on the same planet as the rest of us.
>> Historic events can be discussed freely in many nation except the
>> holocaust.
>
> Bloody damn lie from a bloody damn liar. It can be discussed freely in
> any country, except those that have made it illegal to do so,
Ergo, it cannot be discussed freely in many nations.
Why do you hebes need legislation to protect your Holocaust(tm) cactuskunt?
cactus
limiting speech on the subject. I don't need to worry about it because
decent society has put drug-crazed lying bigots like you on the lunatic
fringe. Maybe if you tried to make something of yourself you wouldn't
have to be the failure that you are.
cactus
>
One thing that all Jews will agree is that you are a purerile pest, and
a petzele.
You are such a failure that you don't know how to get along with
anybody. So STFU, you drug infested ignorant bigot.
B'iny'amin C'r'amer
You make that sound like a bad thing, cactuskunt.
>
> You are such a failure that you don't know how to get along with anybody.
> So STFU, you drug infested ignorant bigot.
Such a short paragraph - so many lies.
You've outdone yourself cactuskunt.
B'iny'amin C'r'amer
> B'in'amin Cram'er wrote:
>>
>> "cactus" <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote in message
>> news:bqsrj.9415$J41...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>>> I do not think you are living on the same planet as the rest of us.
>>>> Historic events can be discussed freely in many nation except the
>>>> holocaust.
>>>
>>> Bloody damn lie from a bloody damn liar. It can be discussed freely in
>>> any country, except those that have made it illegal to do so,
>>
>> Ergo, it cannot be discussed freely in many nations.
>>
>> Why do you hebes need legislation to protect your Holocaust(tm)
>> cactuskunt?
>>
>>
>>
>>
> We don't.
Yeah, you do.
>Germany and Austria have decided to squash the disease by limiting speech
>on the subject.
Rather cute way of putting it. "Limiting free speech?" What bollocks.
Hold a varying view, and go to gaol. Some "limiting free speech" cactuskunt.
There are 11 other European countries who have "limited free speech"
relative to the Holocaust(tm) dickwad.
>I don't need to worry about it because decent society has put drug-crazed
>lying bigots like you on the lunatic fringe. Maybe if you tried to make
>something of yourself you wouldn't have to be the failure that you are.
Dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Another short paragraph, and so many lies.
RJ11
B'in'amin Cram'er <yehood...@themoment.yes> wrote:
(snip)
Why do you support censorship, nazi vermin?
"How many times do we have to tell you that wikipedia is NOT
an unbiased source. It is a pro-yid site which should be shut down." --
posted by "Ben Cramer", Message-ID:
<YKqdnTaOYdW7R-zb...@giganews.com>.
RJ.
RJ11
B'iny'amin C'r'amer <hebe...@atalltymes.com> wrote:
(silly drivel given the old el-snippo)
This is how "Cramer" asserts to support "freedom of
speech", folks:
cactus
Look around. Check postings.
cactus
It is. You are too stupid to understand.
<snip>
cactus
>
> "cactus" <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote in message
> news:Qntrj.8423$Rg1....@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> B'in'amin Cram'er wrote:
>>>
>>> "cactus" <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:bqsrj.9415$J41...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>>>> I do not think you are living on the same planet as the rest of us.
>>>>> Historic events can be discussed freely in many nation except the
>>>>> holocaust.
>>>>
>>>> Bloody damn lie from a bloody damn liar. It can be discussed freely in
>>>> any country, except those that have made it illegal to do so,
>>>
>>> Ergo, it cannot be discussed freely in many nations.
>>>
>>> Why do you hebes need legislation to protect your Holocaust(tm)
>>> cactuskunt?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> We don't.
>
> Yeah, you do.
>
>> Germany and Austria have decided to squash the disease by limiting
>> speech on the subject.
>
> Rather cute way of putting it. "Limiting free speech?" What bollocks.
> Hold a varying view, and go to gaol. Some "limiting free speech"
> cactuskunt.
In case you hadn't noticed, you can hold whatever depraved views you
want. It's just when you try to infect their society with certain ones
that you get in trouble. I can understand why you don't like it - it
makes it difficult for you to spread your putrescent corruption.
>
> There are 11 other European countries who have "limited free speech"
> relative to the Holocaust(tm) dickwad.
It's a good thing, because of bigots like you. Once you and your kine
die out (hopefully without reproducing), there will be less need for
those laws.
<snip>
tur...@shaw.ca
B'iny'amin C'r'amer
The second statement shoots the former down in flames, doesn't it,
cactuskunt?
>I can understand why you don't like it - it makes it difficult for you to
>spread your putrescent corruption.
No corruption this end, cactuskunt. I'm not a jew.
>
>>
>> There are 11 other European countries who have "limited free speech"
>> relative to the Holocaust(tm) dickwad.
>
> It's a good thing, because of bigots like you.
No bigot this end, cactuskunt. I'm not a jew.
>Once you and your kine die out (hopefully without reproducing), there will
>be less need for those laws.
The yids will always need similar laws, laddie, because they're such lying
cunts.
Truth needs no such protection.
Off you go now. You've gone all purple in the kisser.
>
> <snip>
B'iny'amin C'r'amer
Is it? How so?
cactus
>
<snip>
>>>
>>>> Germany and Austria have decided to squash the disease by limiting
>>>> speech on the subject.
>>>
>>> Rather cute way of putting it. "Limiting free speech?" What bollocks.
>>> Hold a varying view, and go to gaol. Some "limiting free speech"
>>> cactuskunt.
>>
>> In case you hadn't noticed, you can hold whatever depraved views you
>> want. It's just when you try to infect their society with certain ones
>> that you get in trouble.
>
> The second statement shoots the former down in flames, doesn't it,
> cactuskunt?
No. You are just too stupid to comprehend. But what else is new?
>> <snip>
>
cactus
One day, maybe you will recover from your drug-induced impairments and
start to understand.
B'in'amin Cram'er
Why should I be concerned with what a few stinky yids think of me,
cactuskunt?
B'in'amin Cram'er
> B'iny'amin C'r'amer wrote:
>>
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
>>>>
>>>>> Germany and Austria have decided to squash the disease by limiting
>>>>> speech on the subject.
>>>>
>>>> Rather cute way of putting it. "Limiting free speech?" What bollocks.
>>>> Hold a varying view, and go to gaol. Some "limiting free speech"
>>>> cactuskunt.
>>>
>>> In case you hadn't noticed, you can hold whatever depraved views you
>>> want. It's just when you try to infect their society with certain ones
>>> that you get in trouble.
>>
>> The second statement shoots the former down in flames, doesn't it,
>> cactuskunt?
>
> No.
Oh, but it does, oh stupid one.
Are you and Doodoo related?
Here's another piece from the talmud for you, jew cunt.
Where a Jew Should Do Evil
Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where
he is not known and do the evil there.
Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be
punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be
killed.
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him
for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there
is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an
Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it
does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin
76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or
takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no
death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God
has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
RJ11
B'iny'amin C'r'amer <hebe...@atalltymes.com> wrote:
> Truth needs no such protection.
In that case, nazi vermin, why do you want to silence
those who disagree with you?
RJ11
B'in'amin Cram'er <yehood...@themoment.yes> wrote:
> Here's another piece from the talmud for you,
In order to judge the veracity of these "quotes",
consider the following.
For conclusive proof that "Cramer" is a forger, look
at Message-ID: <b4adnSx2NqPH8u7b...@giganews.com>,
in which he asserts to post the content of the article
"Cold Reminder" NY Times, Dec. 3 1994.
Unfortunately for "Cramer", the NYT archives are now
free. As everyone can easily check by visiting
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE0DB1F30F930A35751C1A962958260,
the article "Cramer" posted has nothing to do with the
actual article.
RJ.
cactus
life. You can only change for the better if you want to.
cactus
>
> news:FVyrj.9454$J41....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>> B'iny'amin C'r'amer wrote:
>>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Germany and Austria have decided to squash the disease by limiting
>>>>>> speech on the subject.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rather cute way of putting it. "Limiting free speech?" What bollocks.
>>>>> Hold a varying view, and go to gaol. Some "limiting free speech"
>>>>> cactuskunt.
>>>>
>>>> In case you hadn't noticed, you can hold whatever depraved views you
>>>> want. It's just when you try to infect their society with certain
>>>> ones that you get in trouble.
>>>
>>> The second statement shoots the former down in flames, doesn't it,
>>> cactuskunt?
You are too dense and stupid to understand this. Think what you want,
no one can stop you. But when you go public with your deranged hatred
you may run into legal and other problems. Got it now?
<snip puerile lies and forgeries>
cactus
the "Horst Wessel" song with a band, and was proud of embarrassing everyone?
RJ11
cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
> RJ11 wrote:
>> In article <fLednTqGCpadIjPa...@giganews.com>,
>> B'in'amin Cram'er <yehood...@themoment.yes> wrote:
>>> Here's another piece from the talmud for you,
>> In order to judge the veracity of these "quotes",
>> consider the following.
>>
>> For conclusive proof that "Cramer" is a forger, look
>> at Message-ID: <b4adnSx2NqPH8u7b...@giganews.com>,
>> in which he asserts to post the content of the article
>> "Cold Reminder" NY Times, Dec. 3 1994.
>>
>> Unfortunately for "Cramer", the NYT archives are now
>> free. As everyone can easily check by visiting
>> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE0DB1F30F930A35751C1A962958260,
>> the article "Cramer" posted has nothing to do with the
>> actual article.
> Nice job. Can you find the complete post where he claims
> to have played the "Horst Wessel" song with a band, and was
> proud of embarrassing everyone?
But of course:
Message-ID: <e8nsmm$me9$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>.
RJ.
Kurt Knoll
Kurt Knoll.
"Michael" <news...@orneveien.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.02.12....@orneveien.org...
> On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:11:32 +0000, Kurt Knoll wrote:
>
>> Nothing wrong here I can definitely see you have a very limited
>> mentality.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>
> EVERYONE has a limited mentality. This is not an informative comment.
>
Denial denier
so I will avoid those in my response.
The fact of the matter is the "science" referenced does not hold.
Leuchter as a primary reference is your first mistake. First of all,
Leuchter was never, and I repeat, never an engineer although he adamately
claimed to be. In fact, Mr. Leuchter graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in
History and never furthered his schooling. Consequently, his lack of
credentials brought put him on the docket for practicing as an engineer.
You see in the United States it is considered a criminal offense for the
public safety hazard someone with no formal undertstanding of structural
dynamics offering 'professional' advice. He was duly convicted
(http://www.adl.org/issue_holocaust/leuchter-1993.asp, 1993) So, one must
take his deterinations on the structural neccesities of an execution
chamber with a grain of salt, as there is the potential for a systematic
flaw throughout know as incompetence.
Following the logic of incompetence, according to you and Leuchter himself,
the core of his argument is the lack of chemical residule left in the
chambers or lack thereof. I have read Leuchter's mess and I am a
preservation scientist, and I will say with a strong heart that not a
stitch of his collected data, and hence his conclusions, is worth anything.
His methodology was fundamentally flawed and the data cannot be used from
such a disaster.
His samples were not collected from a controlled environment, in fact, in
his own words he had to break in to various facilities to collect the
samples without any writ of lawful presence. Furthermore, he does not speak
of where he specifically collected them and the ambient conditions possibly
acting upon the sample. Second, had he accounted for this, he would have
seen his conclusion does not follow from his results. In fact, Leuchter's
own data says, quite clearly to someone with the background, that there
were high concentrations of cyanide gas in the chambers, equal or greater
to those of the bed control sample.
Lets take an example to really embed this point. In the science of
archaeology, the collection of a C14 test sample is done in a very
particular way to yield the best results. The way to best results is to
collect the sample with the least exposure to ambient conditions and one
that has not been contaminated by modern processes. As a result, synthetic
gloves are worn, masks, tyvek suits if neccesary, and the inner core of
whatever organic matter is exploited. This way we have the purest sample
possible that is the best representation of its archaeological environment.
The point to take from this is that the sample is taken from somewhere to
yield the best results, and a number of samples are taken from elsewhere to
provide a statiscal varient. This is important because C14 is a chemical,
as is HCN (what he claims as the active ingredient in Zyklon B) and it is
by design, reactionary to its ambient environment. Without getting into
too much technical detail chemicals are affected by atomic charges and
energies, and all chemicals are composites of atomic charges and energies
that affect other chemical. Thus anything with atoms and energy will effect
a chemical compound in some way, often changing its current appearance.
Simple example is rust, Iron bonds with an oxide which converts the
chemical to Iron Oxide and the compound is no longer Iron, it is rust. If
you haven't picked up on my point yet it is this, the hydrogen cyanide
originally used may have changed over time, to where it is not as visible
as it would have been originally. No one can know exactly how the compound
was affected unless the samples were recorded in a particular way that is
clearly ilustrated in his paper, which it isn't. He woudl have to tell of
ambient conditions and the collecton methods. Did he use a metal tool or a
plastic one? Did he use his bare hands? Did he store it in a plastic bag,
cloth, wooden box? Did he store it by itself or with other samples? These
things are very important in getting good results, but I am sure he would
have known that if he ever went to school for science.
But I digress, he does not account for things particular to buildings of
this age that can seriously undermine the qaulity of his results. Specific
to this case, the active compound in Zyklon B is Hydrogen cyanide and this
is the residual he is testing for. This is his primary error. The reason I
say he "claims" is because he is entirely wrong. I assume he did do some
level of research for this gig, but he misunderstood some pretty important
stuff, namely, that Hydrogen Cyanide (HCN) is the gas that kills in Zyklon
B, but it is not an ingredient of Zyklon B. HCN is a gas that results from
a chemical reaction that occurs when Potassium Ferrocyanide (PFC) is
combined with an acid. Simply put, PFC is the ingredient of Zyklon B, not
HCN. I will return to this point. Referring back to the paragraph before,
the concentration of this chemical, as with all chemicals, will degrade
over time as components are shifted into different chemical states due to a
reaction with its ambient environment.
There are only two chemicals which are truly inert and cannot be affected,
and cyanide is not one of them. He does not account in his analysis that he
is dealing with buildings that have not had a continual human occupation
for decades. In this situation, all the materials degrade due to base
chmical changes. Bricks loose plasticity, steel turns to rust, mortar
crumbles, windows fall out, more sun gets in, animals move in, etc...
releasiing chemicals as they do. The things that can, and likely did
change the compound would have been exposure to sunlight, exposure to
oxygen, exposure to sulfides and salts in the concrete mortar, exposure to
Iron Oxides in the bricks as they degrade, and the desire for chemical
homeostasis inhernet in any gaseous form the list goes on. Making this
abundantly clear are his own conclusions.
He states that the chambers had higher concentrations of ferrocyanide that
hydrogen cyanide. He concludes that this means there is not Zyklon B in
adequate concentrations. Hold on, that makes me laugh every time. His own
results, not his conclusions, tell me that he does have a high
concentration of what was once HCN gas.
First of all he relates that he collected the samples from areas of "blue
staining". Referring back to the previous discussion, he would have always
got high levels of ferrocyanide at areas of blue staining, so this biases
his sample, however, against his conclusions. The blue staining is the
result of Potassium Ferrocyanide combining with salts that leech out of the
masonry walls as a natural process of degradation. This process is often
synthesized to produce the blue pigment "Prussian Blue" for painting.
Secondly, the HCN is the result of a volatile reaction, and volatile
reactions destabilize the compound. The natural behavior of any chemical
is to achieve stability, so if made unstable it will try to return to its
stable state. The stable state of HCN is PFC. Thus the blue staining tells
us that there was a sufficient concentration of HCN in the ambient air at
some point in time that it stabilized into PFC and adhered to the brick
surface, and as the brick degarded it released ferrous salts the cyano-
compound converted into Prussian Blue pigment, likely aided by ambient
moisture in the air. Once in this state it was stable and not likley to
change significant over time.
In a way, Leuchter itirates this by saying "Additionally, the areas of blue
staining show a high iron content, indicating ferric-ferro-cyanide, no
longer hydrogen cyanide."
Secondly, his control sample of the deloused beds is not a good one,
because wood and/or horsehair beds do not leech ferric salts, and the
chemical reaction would not have occured. This means that his results are
severely biased. Becuase of the lack of ferrous salts in the beds and the
presence of the same in the brick the same original chemical, the Zyklon B
chemical, will manifest as two different forms in the current sample, PFC
on the brick and the concentrated HCN particulates in the beds.
I will not even go into the lack of labratory baseline testing, etc...
My first conclusion, Leuchter is an idiot, and incompetent without the
credentials or knowledge to make his claims. The data he collected in fact
certified a concentrated presence of Zyklon B in the gas chambers, not the
opposite as he claims.
As far as you're concerned. You claim to be inquistive, that is why you
bring up this point, and ikely why you have crossposted to an atheism
group, but as with most arguments born of atheists the points of view
brought up are poorly developed and inadequately researched. If you want
the truth, you must look at all the possible variables, not just the ones
within the narrow sphere that represents your point of view, especially
with a subject such as this. The flaws in Leuchters, and consequently,
your analysis are elementary and clear to anyone with an analytical or
scientific mind. Points like this are commonplace, you are not
revolutionary, or thinking about the world any differently, you are doing
it wrong and that infuriates me more than your point of view. The world
has been and is full of people like you that think they are deep thinkers,
or hyper inquisitive, the type that carry a Nietzsche book everywhere,
making sure to turn the cover out so the foolish and misguided masses can
clearly see how deep and intelligent you are. But in reality you fear drift
ing outside of your prescribed "non-conformist" reading list you will be
forced to realize everything you were certain of, fed to you be websites
adnd people just like you, is crap, and there isn't any certainty and in a
lot of ways, the Judeao Christian philosophy was and is the most
revolutionary social concept yet conceived. Fact is neither you, nor I,
are smarter or better or more inquistive or more deep than anyone else and
we are all tiny little cogs, so pack away your pretention and hit the books
kid.
Kurt Knoll
whatever some is pro or against Israel. Honesty you have never known. You
should know and this is if you have enough brain to discredit anyone that is
in you holocaust way and we all know how smeary you will get.
Kurt Knoll.
"Denial denier" <e...@yourhat.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9BA5C08098F...@216.196.97.130...
Kenneth McVay OBC
Kurt Knoll <kno...@citywest.ca> wrote:
>The perfect person for you will never be found. You judgement is based on
>whatever some is pro or against Israel. Honesty you have never known. You
>should know and this is if you have enough brain to discredit anyone that is
>in you holocaust way and we all know how smeary you will get.
Do you think it is ok for someone to discredit YOU by publishing articles
which assert that you are a convicted pedophile with a long record of
pedophilia, Mr. Knoll?
Is such behaviour acceptable to you?
YES OR NO, MR KNOLL?
--
"The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a faith;
at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons."
(Sarte. Antisemite and Jew, p. 19)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
B. Cramer
> so I will avoid those in my response.
>
> The fact of the matter is the "science" referenced does not hold.
>
> Leuchter as a primary reference is your first mistake. First of all,
> Leuchter was never, and I repeat, never an engineer
Nor is or was van Pelt, yet the yid Holocaust(tm) industry hangs on his
every word and uses him as an "expert" witness in denial cases.
You really need to open your eyes, sunschein.
Kurt Knoll
explosion and implosion.
Kurt Knoll.
"B. Cramer" <bensa...@beltinghebes.com> wrote in message
news:J-mdnS5DU8WLPBvU...@giganews.com...
B. Cramer
"Kurt Knoll" <kno...@citywest.ca> wrote in message
news:A0yhl.9368$Db2.8433@edtnps83...
> There ja go. I am not so sure if vanPelt knows the difference between an
> explosion and implosion.
> Kurt Knoll.
Doesn't matter what he knows, Kurt. As long as he's prepared to provide
words that support the Holocaust(tm) nonsense, the yids will love him.
They have no need for truth.
Kurt Knoll
>
> "Kurt Knoll" <kno...@citywest.ca> wrote in message
> news:A0yhl.9368$Db2.8433@edtnps83...
>> There ja go. I am not so sure if vanPelt knows the difference between an
>> explosion and implosion.
>> Kurt Knoll.
>
> Doesn't matter what he knows, Kurt. As long as he's prepared to provide
> words that support the Holocaust(tm) nonsense, the yids will love him.
>
> They have no need for truth.
You are right the only need they have is the need for someone else's money.
Kurt Knoll.
Kenneth McVay OBC
Kurt Knoll <kno...@citywest.ca> wrote:
>There ja go. I am not so sure if vanPelt knows the difference between an
>explosion and implosion.
I'm not sure if Kurt Knoll knows the difference between "yes" and "no."
Do YOU think it is ok for someone to attempt to discredit YOU by
publishing articles which assert that YOU are a convicted pedophile
with a long record of child abuse, Mr. Knoll?
Denial denier
> The perfect person for you will never be found. You judgement is based
> on whatever some is pro or against Israel. Honesty you have never
> known. You should know and this is if you have enough brain to
> discredit anyone that is in you holocaust way and we all know how
> smeary you will get. Kurt Knoll.
>
It is not my place nor desire to get into a some ridiculous character
assaulting match with you about your personal political affectations. You
are entitled to your opinion, however ill-informed it may be. But I
would like to respond to your comments. Unfortunately I am having
diffcult understanding them.
1)"The perfect person for you will never be found"
A complete sentence, good job; but irrelevant. Beyond the
metaphysical fact that no one will find the perfect person, unless you
are a national socialist I guess, when you lower your standards to a
simple skin tone and the content of the father's testicles it gets easier
to find perfection. So kudos to your and your little gang o' pals, you
have achieved something fantastic. Returning to the point, ths really
had nothing to do with the holocaust or even the rest of your comments,
so there's that.
2)"You judgement is based on whatever some is pro or against Israel."
I had some difficulty with this guy. I may be an idiot, but there
is a subject missing somewhere and I think this is the wrong use of
"whatever". I have only been speaking English for 30 years or so, so
maybe thats why I am still unable to figure out what exactly you are
fucking talking about. I think you mean I made my judgement on whether
or not someone is pro Israel or not. Another irrelevant point, doesn't
really relate back to anything I said now does it. In fact I did not
mention Israel once, nation, people, or prophet. Read it again, fellow,
I said Leuchter was flawed and you should find better data before making
assertions, be more critical remember? I am not going to say whether or
not I am "for" the nation of Israel or not, because it has no bearing on
what we are talking about at all. Check your Middle Eastern history, the
Holocaust is not the only reason the Jewish people were alloted Israel,
try looking up British Zionism and WWI.
3) "Honesty you have never known."
Another complete, albeit arcane, sentence. The argument wasn't
based upon honesty, it was physical evidence and nothing more. Your
Leuchter, however, was an outright liar. A liar which lead to the
painful execution of a number of criminals in the United States through
his professional negligence. My honesty is not what is in question here.
4) "You should know and this is if you have enough brain to discredit
anyone that is in you holocaust way and we all know how smeary you will
get."
Another tough one, I am not sure what being in "my holocaust way"
means. I know what it means in English, but not what you meant. I think
you mean that I have enough intelligence to discredit anyone that agrees
with me? and that will somehow make me smeary? Nope, I am at a loss, you
wanna give that one another shot for me? Maybe, in your native tongue it
seems, "Sie sollten wissen und dieses ist, wenn Sie genügend Gehirn
haben, zum jedermann zu diskreditieren, das in Ihnen Holocaustweise ist
und alle wir können, "smeary" (I dont know this one) Sie erhalten." Did
I guess correctly? Maybe you should switch from Babelfish to something
more reliable
One wonders why you are in Canada, and why you rail about Germany kicking
out "holocauset deniers" as if they are criminals. Perhaps you said the
wrong thing to the wrong court, and now you are a little dejected. Sucks
being singled out as a group, scrutinized, than directly oppressed by the
government you though was there to protect you doesn't it. Remember, not
only Juden were in the camps, they had their fun with the local die
entarte, das andersdenkenden, und der Verrater also. They all had their
special place in das Todenlager. Just be lucky you were in Germany now
and not in 1937. All they did was throw you out.
Kurt Knoll
news paper from 1918 till 1939 to know what it is all about and wars are
starting. Unfortunally the Germans are not allowed to reprint this articles
in today's news papers and all of us are being kept in the dark.
As for the perfect person I mean that would be the once only agree with
everything what Kenneth wants them to be.
Kurt Knoll.
"Denial denier" <es...@deinerhut.de> wrote in message
news:Xns9BA6E77A285...@216.196.97.130...
Kenneth McVay OBC
Kurt Knoll <kno...@citywest.ca> wrote:
>You should have read all the rhetoric that was in the German and British
>news paper from 1918 till 1939 to know what it is all about and wars are
>starting. Unfortunally the Germans are not allowed to reprint this articles
>in today's news papers and all of us are being kept in the dark.
Yes, in fact, the Germans are allowed to reprint such articles, but there
is no need, since they are readily available in European university
libraries, as Herr Knoll knows full well.
>As for the perfect person I mean that would be the once only agree with
>everything what Kenneth wants them to be.
You needn't ever worry about attaining perfection, Frau Pikelhaube.
Cowardice, yes, you've managed that one, but never perfection.
Do you think it is ok for someone to attempt to discredit you by
publishing articles which assert that you are a convicted pedophile
with a long record of child abuse, Mr. Knoll?
For instance, how would you feel if someone wrote this about you:
"One must wonder, did faggot Knoll get fired from the military for
being a child molester?"
Or perhaps this, Mr. Knoll:
"Look at Knoll's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?"
Perhaps something like this, Mr. Knoll?
"As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
victim of the molester pervert Kurt Knoll, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS."
Is such behaviour acceptable to you?
YES OR NO, MR KNOLL?
--
"Hey Kenneth there are people dying now that never did dye before."
(Kurt Knoll, Kitimat's Leading Revisionist Scholar and Reigning
Village Idiot)
Denial denier
> You should have read all the rhetoric that was in the German and
> British news paper from 1918 till 1939 to know what it is all about
> and wars are starting. Unfortunally the Germans are not allowed to
> reprint this articles in today's news papers and all of us are being
> kept in the dark. As for the perfect person I mean that would be the
> once only agree with everything what Kenneth wants them to be.
> Kurt Knoll.
>
I have had a good deal of exposure to this rhetoric, one of my areas of
study in College was interwar European History (1918 - 1937). Very
interesting time period. This is, once again, not particularly relevant
with what I was talking about.
I reiterate, for the third time. I was talking about Leuchter's flawed
research not about the formation of Israel.
Ich besprechen die fehlerhaft forschungsarbeit auf Herr Leuchter. Kein
besprecht was hatte gescaffen das Israelstaat.
Sorry if my German is a little clumsy, it has been a few years.
In other words, I cannot effectively respond to you, nor can I possibly
appreciate any of your points of view, if there are some, as in a proper
debate unless I have some clear concept of what you are talking about,
you have to respond to what I am saying, not what you feel like saying
relevant or not, that won't get you anywhere and people will only think
you are a jackass unless you can argue effectively. I am trying to
understand your point of view.
As far as the Kenneth thing is concerned, he is as biased as you are
apparently and any research he brings up will likley be just as valid.
Meaning I take what he has to say with as much caution and skepticism.
Him saying you are a pedophile is as valid to the debate as anythig you
say about world Jewry. It only defames one's own character and makes
your point of view less strong.
In any case, I do know the holocaust happened, Hitler and the National
Socialists perpretated it, the Jews and everyone else in the camps did
not deserve it, and it was one of the worst crimes perpetrated in human
history. I have an Uncle that was physically at Buchenwald (and no,
neither him or I are Jewish), believe me, they existed and terrible
things occured there.
In fact, I think there is a psychology attached. I think many neo-nazis
want to believe the holocaust never happened so they as individuals can
believe that National Socialism is ok, and that it doesn't lead to such
madness. But the fact of the matter is it does.