marine 440 ws automotive 440
Robert Blanchard
Is this a different block than a car 440?
Are the mounts and transmission
bolt pattern the same?
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Steve
Robert Blanchard wrote:
> I have a chance to get a '69 marine 440 block.
> Is this a different block than a car 440?
> Are the mounts and transmission
> bolt pattern the same?
I've only seen a couple of marine 440 engines, but as far as I could
tell the differences were limited to the heads (plumbed for wet
exhaust), intake/exhaust, oil pan/pickup, and internals (in the case of
reverse-rotation engines). The blocks I've seen had the standard
automotive mounting ears and bolt pattern.
That doesn't mean they ALL did though. Best way to know for sure is to
check it over before buying.
R.S.McArthur
general the marine engines have higher compression,bigger heads,angled
intake to keep carb level,and a different cam for the marine use(mid-to
upper rpm`s).It also should have a windage tray to keep the oil pump working
when accelerating(most boats lift in the front).May even have a HD
crank,etc.Only problem you could have is if it were a salt water
engine(ever).Not worth anything then.
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RedNeck TookOver Hell
> the marine engines have higher compression,bigger heads,
Sorry, no "bigger" heads on 440's, if there were, they'd be the ones to use
instead of automotive ones. >,angled intake to keep
carb level,
Sorry, same intake, just an angled "wedge" spacer is used. You can buy them to
keep carbs level on a drag car with a lot of front end movement.
>.It also should have a windage tray to >keep the oil pump working
>when accelerating(m
Sorry, windage tray doesn't do anything to "keep the oil pump working when
accelerating" The baffles in the oil pan do that. The windage tray keeps oil
off the crank and reduces horsepower loss when accelerating.
God, Guns, Mopars, Sex & Rock & Roll!!!
R.S.McArthur
cars use plates,boats have angled intakes,or should..Also angled on my 460
King Cobra,and 350 Mercruiser.....I have owned Marine Power engines without
angled intakes.....Marine engines also have distinctly different cams.Read
the whole post.It says in general.Most Mercruiser`s have bigger valve heads
than the standard car version.....I`m not talking about a car motor someone
put in a boat.I`m talking about a pure marine engine......Sorry,should have
done your homework.But then,that`s why you find people putting car engines
in boats.There the same,right????Just a different color.
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RedNeck TookOver Hell
>the whole post.It says in general.
I did, you should read my reply, I didn't say anything about the cam, did I ?
You ever seen anyone hunting for 440 "marine" heads?
>..I`m not talking about a car motor someone put in a boat.
Why do you think I am?
Because your post is in error and I pointed them out????
Maybe you need to know the mechanical side of "your" marine engines
R.S.McArthur
marine engines),but you did mention boats use race car carb plates,and
didn`t have angles intakes.I have several boats,and all but one has angled
intake.I`ve never seen a boat with a factory installed angled spacer
plate,and I sell boats for a living.Also,you failed to re-read.I said in
general(both posts).In general does not mean one engine,it means ...never
mind.Then I mentioned Mercruiser,and others.You`re still stuck on one
engine.I`m not trying to prove you wrong.I could care less.I was answering
someone else`s post.I gave an "in general" answer....Better yet,you`re
right.Marine engines are the same as cars,except for the color.No
difference.All have spacer plates,and car heads are the same as the boat
heads in all applications.There.Feel better?
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RedNeck TookOver Hell
>didn`t have angles intakes.I have several boats,and all but one has angled
>intake.
At some tracks, there used to be rules against using an aluminum intake
manifold. It had to be a cast iron factory manifold. The favorite was a dual
plane Chevy "marine" small block intake. It wasn't "angled"
The angled carb plates first came from "marine" engines.
Maybe they don't need to angle the carbs
Your "general" terms were in error, I pointed them out, you are still in error,
This ie a MOPAR newsgroup, or didn't you know that????
Oh, and BTW- I've helped guys with their 302 Ford "marine" engines" and they
didn't have any of the things you claim to ge "in general" either.
So now, I've talked about Chevy and Ford "marine" engines and I haven't seen
any of the things you claim are "in general"
Sounds like you should stick to selling them instead of trying to talk
mechanical parts
R.S.McArthur
one Chevy marine intake.Marine Power has a different intake than Chris
Craft(yes-CC had their own line of engines before switching to
Mercruiser,and OMC).So I don`t know which "marine"intake you saw.I also
stated I had a marine intake that isn`t angled(check you`re response
below-it includes some of what I said).But then you like to take things out
of text.I never said I was a mechanic.But I hope you`re not either....If you
tore a 302 Marine engine down,and it was the same as a car engine,then you
didn`t have a marine engine,or more than likely you didn`t know what you
were looking at.Marine engines are different.Try swapping parts from a 2.5
Chevy into a Marine 2.5.Nearly nothing swaps.Better yet,tell
Mercruiser,Marine Power,OMC,Volvo,etc.They think the motors are somewhat
different(check out the parts list).I guess they haven`t talked to you
yet.But,you`ll straighten them out.Hell,you know everything,and if you don`t
you can just make it up!
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tb
using a "v-drive" transmission, or even a stern drive (inboard/ outboard)
set up. The front of the engine is higher in order to match the prop shaft
angle in the boat, therefore the need for an angled intake, or angled
spacer. It is done both ways, depending on whose marinization it is/was,
i.e. chris craft, pleasure craft, mercruiser, etc.
And for what it is worth, the 1969 440 right hand motor that i have stashed
away has a regular intake with a spacer, LOWER than a car( dished pistons--
440 marine engines were only 300 to 330 hp, so no high compression was
needed. Torque is where its at in boats, not HP), and the same 906 heads
as everything else back then. The only difference is that boat heads had
exhaust valve rotators, to keep from burning valves under the intense
loading of the engine at all times. Have you ever wondered how much shit you
would have to tow behind your 1975 power wagon to make it get less than one
mile to the gallon? think about it!
The oil pan was cast aluminum, and had baffles to prevent extreme sloshing
in high seas, as well as a hinged oil pimp pick-up that "floats" on top of
the oil.
Just my two cents.
Tim Ball
svc tech, offshore marine inc.
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RedNeck TookOver Hell
>Every group has one,and you are it.I
You probably don't want to hear my opinion of you then?
>I hate to tell you but there is more than
>one Chevy marine intake.
And your point would be???
>So I don`t know which "marine"intake you saw.
> I had a marine intake that isn`t angled(check you`re response
>below-it includes some of what I said).But then you like to take things out
>of text.
It's CONTEXT, learn to use the english language, ok?
>I never said I was a mechanic.But I hope you`re not either..
No, what you really mean is you hope you never have to have me fix anything for
you
Just so you don't have any illusions, your post was the June DF of the Month
winner
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!
Enjoy!!!!
NOTHING in it was accurate, no matter how much you have tried to "back away"
from what you said initially.
Oh, and how about the post from the guy who REALLY know what he is talking
about???
Blows your shit right out of the water
R.S.McArthur
p/u,etc.English?I`ve read some of your other posts,and I wouldn`t correct
anyone if I were you.You also complained to me this is a Mopar newsgroup.So
why did you post something about a big screen TV?Because you are full of
your own hot air.Do you ever post anything original?No ,you just cruise
around trying to prove someone wrong.You must have a real interesting
life!And the Redneck handle.I really live in the south,and I don`t know any
rednecks as ignorant,or rude as you.I think the cast from deliverance are
insulted.Here is some advice before I filter out your sorry ass:BITE ME
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