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Hisler

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May 9, 2012, 2:18:53 PM5/9/12
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When defending yourself is outlawed, only outlaws will defend themselves.

http://www.infowars.com/congressional-democrats-introduce-amendment-to-outlaw-self-defense/

The Congressional Progressive Caucus has announced it will introduce
legislation designed to strip Americans of the right to defend
themselves. Called “Stop Shoot First Laws,” the amendment to the
Commerce, Justice, Science Appropriations bill under consideration in
the House would deny states federal funding allocated under section 505
of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 if they
continue to allow citizens to defend themselves.
Democrats Raul Grijalva asnd Keith Ellison.

“Shoot first laws have already cost too many lives,” said Progressive
Caucus co-chairs Keith Ellison and Raul Grijalva upon introducing their
amendment. “In Florida alone, deaths due to self-defense have tripled
since the law was enacted. Federal money shouldn’t be spent supporting
states with laws that endanger their own people. This is no different
than withholding transportation funds from states that don’t enforce
seatbelt laws.”

“The message here is if you have this kind of law that your federal
funding is going to take a hit because they make states less safe,” Adam
Sarvana, communications director for Grijalva, told Politico.

In other words, the Democrats will force states to choose between
putting their citizens at the mercy of violent criminals or taking
federal largess.

Because the House does not have an open amendment process, the amendment
will likely not see a vote on the floor. Ellison and Grijalva introduced
the amendment in and effort to further politicize the Trayvon Martin
case and increase pressure on the Second Amendment.

Democrats are using “Shoot First” instead of “Stand Your Ground” in an
effort to portray self defense as homicide.

“Stand Your Ground” is a legal extension of the Castle doctrine stating
that a person has a right to defend himself against an intruder. “Stand
Your Ground” laws state that one can use deadly force in any location
one is legally allowed to be and removes the requirement that the threat
must occur on one’s own property.

The Congressional Progressive Caucus is the largest caucus within the
Democratic caucus in Congress. It is supported by the Institute for
Policy Studies, MoveOn.org, the NAACP, National Council of La Raza, Hip
Hop Caucus, and other liberal and so-called “progressive” organizations.


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Snag

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May 10, 2012, 8:40:26 AM5/10/12
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G. Morgan wrote:
> Hisler wrote:
>
>> The Congressional Progressive Caucus is the largest caucus within the
>> Democratic caucus in Congress.
>
> I'm not so sure those caucuses are even legal. Case in point,
> "The Black Congressional Congress" reeks of racism. Imagine if
> you replace the word 'black' with 'white', there would be an
> outrage!

In Memphis Tn. we have a "Black BUsinessmen's Club" . When they tried to
start a "White Businessmen's Club" it was called racial discrimination . So
much for equality under the law .
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Stormin Mormon

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May 10, 2012, 9:22:17 AM5/10/12
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I'm looking forward to the United White College fund.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

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Stormin Mormon

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May 10, 2012, 10:25:04 AM5/10/12
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When I wrote that, a few minutes ago, I was talking about the United White
College Fund. No reference to "other than whites" was written.

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Stormin Mormon wrote:

>A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

On a n*gger?



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Jeff M

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May 10, 2012, 10:41:00 AM5/10/12
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On 5/10/2012 4:19 AM, G. Morgan wrote:
> Hisler wrote:
>
>> The Congressional Progressive Caucus is the largest caucus within the
>> Democratic caucus in Congress.
>
> I'm not so sure those caucuses are even legal. Case in point,
> "The Black Congressional Congress" reeks of racism. Imagine if
> you replace the word 'black' with 'white', there would be an
> outrage!

"White Congressional Caucus"? Isn't that just another name for the
Republican Congressional delegation? ;-)

SaPeIsMa

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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "G. Morgan" <seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in message
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> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
>>A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
>
> On a n*gger?
>
# When I wrote that, a few minutes ago, I was talking about the United White
# College Fund. No reference to "other than whites" was written.
#

Amazing how some are quick to jump to presume a racist connotation at the
drop of a hat.
Shows that they have been well programmed in school


Redcat

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May 10, 2012, 11:05:38 AM5/10/12
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> In Memphis Tn. we have a "Black BUsinessmen's Club" . When they tried
> to
> start a "White Businessmen's Club" it was called racial discrimination .
> So much for equality under the law .

When my son was in high school his school had a Black Students Union and
a MECHA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chican@ de Aztlán; "Chicano Student
Movement of Aztlán") so he decided they needed a European Students Union.
He got approval from the school administration but couldn't find a
faculty sponsor. This was back in 2000. And of course the minority
students on campus were screaming "Racism!", and didn't understand when
he started laughing at them for doing so.

Yes, I am and have always been quite proud of the lad.

Stormin Mormon

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May 10, 2012, 11:32:09 AM5/10/12
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Did the Black Student Union stage a bunch of protests?

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Stormin Mormon

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May 10, 2012, 11:31:05 AM5/10/12
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And, the schools are a reflection of the policies of Our Nation's Leaders.
Is it possible? Our first post racial president, might be doing a bit of
class envy? Divide and conquer?

Christopher A. Young
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Hisler

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May 10, 2012, 11:39:24 AM5/10/12
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On 5/10/2012 3:19 AM, G. Morgan wrote:
> Hisler wrote:
>
>> The Congressional Progressive Caucus is the largest caucus within the
>> Democratic caucus in Congress.
>
> I'm not so sure those caucuses are even legal. Case in point,
> "The Black Congressional Congress" reeks of racism. Imagine if
> you replace the word 'black' with 'white', there would be an
> outrage!
>
>

Not everyone would be outraged if there were a White Congressional
Caucus, and those who were outraged could be sent to reeducation camps
to get over their rage, LOL.

Stormin Mormon

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May 10, 2012, 11:46:14 AM5/10/12
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I think that our post racial president would be one of the offended.

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Stormin Mormon

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May 10, 2012, 4:47:23 PM5/10/12
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I also like racist jokes. I find to be funny many jokes about various races,
creed, religion, etc. Doesn't change that I try to view groups accurately
based on thier own behaviour. Not my own preconceptions. And, that I try to
treat people kindly, in all cases.

I had a list of jokes to offend just about everyone, some where on my drive.

What's the Cuban national anthem? Row, row, row your boat.
Why was Moses wandering in the desert for 40 years? Typical man, refused to
stop and ask for directions.

And, the list went on.

Christopher A. Young
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I posted it as a racist joke. I'm not a racist, but racist jokes
are funny. Duh.

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addicted to sitting in a semi-circle. -Mitch Hedberg



Stormin Mormon

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May 10, 2012, 4:50:36 PM5/10/12
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Did they have a nice catchy slogan like "Remember Trayvon"? All good
protests needs a slogan, and even a song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IlShKGgfjM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yygMhtNQJ9M&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLBA2BC22BDD54CEC7

Both links to Tom Lehrer: Folk Song Army.

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Stormin Mormon wrote:

>Did the Black Student Union stage a bunch of protests?

Nah, they shot a couple of honkys. Now everything is *all good*.



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Padraigh ProAmerica

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May 10, 2012, 9:16:23 PM5/10/12
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Back in the 1970's Joey Bishop wrote a book of ethnic humor jokes, with
the ethnic left out; "You provide he ethnic, I provide the humor" was
how he put it.

Sample: "Did you hear about the _________ who was so dumb it put him in
the hospital? He threw his cigarette down an open manhole- and stepped
on it." [ my choice was Frenchman].

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"A good march should make a man with a wooden leg want to step out."--

John Phillip Sousa

Dustin

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May 11, 2012, 11:06:01 PM5/11/12
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G. Morgan <seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in
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> Hisler wrote:
>
>>The Congressional Progressive Caucus is the largest caucus within the
>>Democratic caucus in Congress.
>
> I'm not so sure those caucuses are even legal. Case in point,
> "The Black Congressional Congress" reeks of racism. Imagine if
> you replace the word 'black' with 'white', there would be an
> outrage!


We have BET (Black entertainment television)...
Anyone want to take bets how much trouble I'd be in if I even dared to
start a local WET (White entertainment television) broadcast network?
People would scream racism.. Or something to do with the porn industry.



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many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and
the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

Dustin

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May 11, 2012, 11:06:28 PM5/11/12
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"Snag" <snag...@comcast.net> wrote in
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Well that pretty much settles my idea of WET network then. I live in the
same state.

Dustin

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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> I'm looking forward to the United White College fund.
> A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Seems to me that if you're actually white AND American and you live here,
you aren't getting help with anything. Be anything else, we'll give you a
business, a house, a car, food.. hell, even a college education.

Be white and American, you aren't getting a good job easily. :) Be black,
we'll make you a manager even if you aren't qualified.

I'm not racist in any way for the record. I've just observed a bit of a
skew in so far as equality seems to go.

Stormin Mormon

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May 12, 2012, 7:42:43 AM5/12/12
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To me, racist is assuming someone is this or that, based on race. Assigning
characteristics, that might not be there.

To observe that races are treated differently is realistic, and observant. I
don't see anything racist about observing reality, and commenting on it.

Christopher A. Young
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Gunner Asch

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On Wed, 09 May 2012 12:18:53 -0600, Hisler <his...@cocks.net> wrote:

>“Shoot first laws have already cost too many lives,” said Progressive
>Caucus co-chairs Keith Ellison and Raul Grijalva upon introducing their
>amendment. “In Florida alone, deaths due to self-defense have tripled
>since the law was enacted.

Sounds like a very good thing, doesnt it?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/article/223504/4/Crime-Rate-Falls-in-Florida-during-2011

ALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Crime in Florida is down through the first six
months of the year, according to a report released by the Florida
Department of Law Enforcement on Friday.

The report shows overall crime is down two percent. Violent offenses,
such as murder, robbery and aggravated assault, dropped 3.2 percent.
However, forcible sex offenses rose one percent.

FDLE Commissioner Gerald Bailey says the report shows overall crime has
continued to drop from last year when the state recorded its lowest
crime rate in 40 years.



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SaPeIsMa

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"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 09 May 2012 12:18:53 -0600, Hisler <his...@cocks.net> wrote:
>
>>"Shoot first laws have already cost too many lives," said Progressive
>>Caucus co-chairs Keith Ellison and Raul Grijalva upon introducing their
>>amendment. "In Florida alone, deaths due to self-defense have tripled
>>since the law was enacted.
>
> Sounds like a very good thing, doesnt it?
>
> http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/article/223504/4/Crime-Rate-Falls-in-Florida-during-2011
>
> ALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Crime in Florida is down through the first six
> months of the year, according to a report released by the Florida
> Department of Law Enforcement on Friday.
>
> The report shows overall crime is down two percent. Violent offenses,
> such as murder, robbery and aggravated assault, dropped 3.2 percent.
> However, forcible sex offenses rose one percent.
>
> FDLE Commissioner Gerald Bailey says the report shows overall crime has
> continued to drop from last year when the state recorded its lowest
> crime rate in 40 years.
>

One has to wonder how "deaths due to self-defense have tripled" while total
homicides have dropped. and overall crime have dropped
That would implicit that since the criminals are being shot in self-defense
by the law-abiding, those criminals are not able to go out and commit other
crimes
I would call that an EXCELLENT result.


pyotr filipivich

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"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> on Sat, 12 May 2012 09:34:58 -0500
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
But, but, but - progressives just love the down trodden, the poor
struggling pro-revolutionary class (as an abstraction and "way over
there.). Killing them in self defense cuts into their support base.
>
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have us Real Geezers in those days! Now, they'll let anybody
with a little gray hair be an old fart!

Gunner Asch

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On Sat, 12 May 2012 09:34:58 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com>
wrote:
Indeed!!

Gunner
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Stormin Mormon

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Blind, or Democrat.

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>Seems to me that if you're actually white AND American and you live here,
>you aren't getting help with anything. Be anything else, we'll give you a
>business, a house, a car, food.. hell, even a college education.
>
>Be white and American, you aren't getting a good job easily. :) Be black,
>we'll make you a manager even if you aren't qualified.
>
>I'm not racist in any way for the record. I've just observed a bit of a
>skew in so far as equality seems to go.

You would be blind if you didn't see it.

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my whole life, and a dog has never looked at me as though he
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Dustin

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"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote in
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> One has to wonder how "deaths due to self-defense have tripled" while
> total homicides have dropped. and overall crime have dropped
> That would implicit that since the criminals are being shot in
> self-defense by the law-abiding, those criminals are not able to go
> out and commit other crimes
> I would call that an EXCELLENT result.

That and good shooting. :)

JerryD(upstateNY)

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"SaPeIsMa" wrote One has to wonder how "deaths due
to self-defense have tripled" while
total homicides have dropped. and overall crime have dropped
That would implicit that since the criminals are being shot in
self-defense by the law-abiding, those criminals are not able to go
out and commit other crimes
I would call that an EXCELLENT result.<<<<<<<

One also has to wonder what goes on in someone's mind
to think that criminals being shot is a bad thing.
Or maybe NOTHING is going on in their mind.

--
JerryD(upstateNY)


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