Oh - The big stages are so much fun....

[IUnknown]

Just thought I would contribute to the discussions rather than
lurking....

Played a local fair and music festival last week - some fans
contributed some footage. Thought I would share. Who knows, maybe i'll
get some a.g.a cred :)

<Puts on the flame resistant suit>
:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzbImV2cJ_E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEfpvGOW7JM

[Lord Valve]

IUnknown wrote:

> Just thought I would contribute to the discussions rather than
> lurking....
>
> Played a local fair and music festival last week - some fans
> contributed some footage. Thought I would share. Who knows, maybe i'll
> get some a.g.a cred :)
>
> <Puts on the flame resistant suit>
> :)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzbImV2cJ_E

Egad, lose the vocalist - major suckitude.

Either that or pass out complimentary packets of
Excedrin before the show - that dude is headache
material. Otherwise, standard rock-schlock...ho hum...

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEfpvGOW7JM

Tell me - how do you people tell one tune from another?

BTW, there are only 482,673 bands named "SNAFU."
(That's just in the US. No data for other English-speaking
countries, although Canada may not qualify as a "country.")

So - overall, I'll give you a 6 on the Suck Factor Scale,
with Zero indicating a performance bordering on
listenability and 10 being a horrid pile of ear-destroying
audio poo like Nuclear Warrior.

I must be in a generous mood today.


Lord Valve
Jazz Organist

[jtees4]

On 9/29/2011 10:13 AM, IUnknown wrote:
> Just thought I would contribute to the discussions rather than
> lurking....
>
> Played a local fair and music festival last week - some fans

> contributed some footage. Thought I would share.le, I wish Who knows, maybe i'll

> get some a.g.a cred :)
>
> <Puts on the flame resistant suit>
> :)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzbImV2cJ_E
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEfpvGOW7JM

I think it's pretty good. The mix was horrible (or the position of the
recorder was bad), I wish I could have heard a little bit of the lead
guitar....I think it was good but I couldn't hear it enough to really
say.I'd give you an A+ just for posting this....more than a lot of
others around here do. Good job!

[jimmy]

musta' gone viral...both my attempts timed out. Congratulations!

[IUnknown]

I was a shame that you didn't insult the guitar sound, too..... They
are your tubes :)

[IUnknown]

Yeah, I am guessing that both recordings were done on a cell phone....
The mix sounded much better in person.

[Bruce Morgen]

It was only a matter of
time before Lard Vulva
started insulting his
own customers -- after
all, without "standard
rock-schlock" players
falling for his "expert"
schtik, he'd be out of
business in a matter of
weeks. It's not like he
can make a living from
duly-qualified jazzers
-- there aren't nearly
enough of them for that,
so essentially his
livelihood depends on
people whose music he
publicly despises for
their "standard rock-
schlock."

[Lord Valve]

...

What could be heard of the guitar - which was precious little, as
it was *way* down in the mix - wasn't terrible in the tone department.
It was overcompressed, which may or may not have been an
artifact of the recording equipment, whatever it was. Truth be told,
I didn't concentrate on it, as the sucky vocal was too distracting.

Not to mention the fact that I hate about 95% of all the rock
music I've ever heard. Especially the guitarists. Sorry.


Lord Valve
Music Critic

[Nil]

On 29 Sep 2011, IUnknown <stevem...@gmail.com> wrote in
alt.guitar:

The whole band sounds great! I especially like The Rover. You did a
wise thing by picking up the tempo a little be compared to LZ's
original.

[IUnknown]

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>
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It is interesting that you feel that way about rock music - and
somewhat echos the sentiment in the 'mozart vs. 3 chord rock'
discussion in another thread.

While I certainly appreciate *most* forms of music ... classical, some
jazz, rock, some metal, country, etc..... one form of music that I
have little or no patience for is 'blues / southern / country rock'.
But I dont go so far as dismissing "95%" of the genre as 'crap' simply
because it is not my taste.

Take for instance Derek Trucks (whom you seem to happily suckle at the
teat of) ..... I wouldn't go so far as to say he is a traditional
blues guitarist. He has many talents - and is a good fit for the
allmans (which sort of has a pseudo blues/country/southern rock feel).

Personally, I find his playing to be utterly boring and uninspired. He
is certainly talented, and would smoke my ass on stage. However, it
isn't my cup of tea.

I *loathe* Eric Clapton's playing. Some people think he is one of the
greatest bluesmen of our era. I respect SRV, but find the majority of
his material to be lacking in dynamics and creativity. Some people
think that he was the reincarnation of hendrix.

However, you wont find me on this newsgroup saying any of them
'suck'.

Much like my singer .... who has a vocal timbre and style similar to
Bon Scott (AC/DC), he isn't your cup of tea. Perhaps if you were a fan
of traditional hard rock - your opinion might differ.

Then again, maybe not. :)

[jtees4]

>
> Yeah, I am guessing that both recordings were done on a cell phone....
> The mix sounded much better in person.

In fairness to you...I didn't realize there were two...so all my
comments were based only on the first one!

[dugjustdug]

> Then again, maybe not. :)- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Dude - You gotta stop lurking and start posting more often! :-)

dugjustlikesmeasuredresponseshimselfdug

[gemjack]

Agree. And a damn near spot-on AC/DC cover. Almost made me finally
like the song ;-)

-gj

[Lord Valve]

Hey, I don't have any problem at all with you liking third-rate shit.

Be my guest. And as far as suckling teats goes, well...
you *are* in a cover band - right? <shrug>


Lord Valve
Jazz Organist

[Grip]

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>
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I found it to be what I expected for being recorded off a camera. The
main point is if you and the bandmates were having fun.....you were
doing as well as anyone ever has:-) BTW, I opened this thread cuz of
the big stage reference.....that stage was small by fair standards,
but again, it's about having fun! And as far as AGA.....shhhhh
hopefully all that crap will stay on that side.

[dvaoa]

That was really good. I preferred your version of The Rover, mostly
because I'm sick of Dirty Deeds (gigged with that one way too many
times when I was younger). Sound quality was tinny, but you knew
that, and considering the source...anyway, the mix sounded good:
Punchy drums, good, crunchy guitars. Besides Bon Scott, vocalist
reminded me a bit of Dave Meniketti (from Y&T).

-d

[IUnknown]

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I can't believe that I am actually in a pissing contest with Lord
Valve. I am honored.

Here is the key dude ...... Everyone has different tastes. It is OK
to not like something, but to plainly dismiss someone as 'sucking' on
the basis that you dont like the genre is immature at best. But
usually, it is just the hallmark of a shallow, bitter musician who
chooses to belittle what he doesn't understand, despite the decades of
training it took to develop their skills.

To be fair though - with regard to sucking at anyone's teat - I
wouldn't think being in a cover band is a defining characteristic.

In that case, if you want to be a purist, Derek has been sucking at
the teats of the allman family sow for years now..... he has been
playing the same classic standards that were written a decade before
he oozed out of his daddy's schvantz.

[Lord Valve]

You're a creep.

That's why you're working county fairs with a bunch
of other no-blowers for fucking beer money.

I reckon that's all I need to say. By all means,
have the last word.

[IUnknown]

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Winner by technical knockout in the 3rd round: IUNKNOWN

[Bruce Morgen]

Based on his excellent
performances alongside
Clapton and Bramhall
(both of whom he cut to
ribbons), I downloaded
his latest effort. It
was technically
proficient and very well
recorded, but remarkably
uninspiring -- Susan
Tedeschi (Mrs. Trucks)
has fine pipes, but she
comes off like Bonnie
Raitt without the soul or
the vibrant personality,
and the whole band sounds
like they're pretty much
phoning it in (albeit
with first-rate
professional chops).

>
>I *loathe* Eric Clapton's playing.

He's the most overrated
guitarist ever, with the
possible exception of
Jimmy Page -- and in
recent years he's become
a six-string snoozefest.
Even back in the day,
guys like Peter Greene,
Mike Bloomfield, and
Danny Kalb were better
at what Clapton was
doing (essentially B.B.
and Albert played
louder, faster, and
slicker).

That said, I really liked
the Blind Faith LP -- I
think Winwood brought out
the best in him.

NNB

[Bruce Morgen]

No doubt about it -- and
Lard Vulva calling
anyone else "a creep" is
pretty danged hilarious.

[Les Cargill]

1) I'd watch tempos. But I always say that. Where you're at on those
two tunes, there's not a lot of room to breathe. Slowing down so it
can swing a little will improve things. Yes, AC/DC swings
hard. Zep swings harder. Sublimate the urge to go faster into
intensity, not tempo.

The way it is, it sounds like you're running to keep up with yourself.

2) The guitar tone is a bit preamp-distortioney, and a lot the same
from song to song ( for two whole songs! :) Listen to what the
top half of the PA does to that. I can also only hear
one guitar. Doing that kind of music, you really want a very
nearly clean tone.

3) Your vocalist spends a lot of time in the "transition region"
of pitch. Makes him sound shakey. I know you don't have time to do
anything about it, but there's training ( exercises ) to manage
that. It's also manageable by working on phrasing. Again,
leave space.

4) Dynamics? I realize song choice affects that, but think
about it. I may be a victim of the AGC in the camera.


--
Les Cargill

[moonpie]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:58:14 -0400, Bruce Morgen <edi...@juno.com>
wrote:

>>I *loathe* Eric Clapton's playing.
>
>He's the most overrated
>guitarist ever, with the
>possible exception of
>Jimmy Page -

oh good grief.

even on their worst days, both of them could play rings around you.

both of those guys wrote half the book that the rest of us have been
trying to decipher with our guitars for the last 30-40 years.

And you're an idiot.

[RichL]

"IUnknown" <stevem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a4135324-0ede-49f2...@q13g2000vby.googlegroups.com...

oops....LV insults one of his own customers.

[IUnknown]

>
> oops....LV insults one of his own customers.
>

Doesn't really bother me that much.

He sells a good product, even if his opinions and views are slightly
left of sane.

[Jim]

>
> I was a shame that you didn't insult the guitar sound, too..... They
> are your tubes :)

Next time: tubedepot.com

[Twibil]

On Sep 29, 3:07 pm, IUnknown <stevement...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> He sells a good product, even if his opinions and views are slightly
> left of sane.

"Slightly"?

Yes. In the same sense that Hiroshima was slightly damaged during WW2.

[Burnham Treezdown]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:45:05 -0700 (PDT), IUnknown <stevem...@gmail.com>
wrote:


>
>

>Winner by technical knockout in the 3rd round: IUNKNOWN

GOOD JOB! He not only pooped himself in front of all of us, he ran home and
hasn't come back.

Now I'm sure he's alone in his room extracting jazz from his organ.


Hey, with Keith dead and Romeo with terminal syphilus, SOMEBODY has to take the
beatings in here...

[Burnham Treezdown]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:58:14 -0400, Bruce Morgen <edi...@juno.com> wrote:


>

>That said, I really liked
>the Blind Faith LP -- I
>think Winwood brought out
>the best in him.

Well, Stevie knows more than 4 chords.

Watching the last 4 Crossroads shows it's become too obvious that Clapton really
is tragically boring. Even with Stevie doing the Blind Faith stuff.

[Squier]

> IUnknown <stevem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just thought I would contribute to the discussions rather than
> lurking....
>
> Played a local fair and music festival last week - some fans
> contributed some footage. Thought I would share. Who knows, maybe i'll
> get some a.g.a cred :)
>
> <Puts on the flame resistant suit>
> :)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzbImV2cJ_E

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEfpvGOW7JM


That's cool of you to share your band gig videos.
Personally I like straight up rock. Gimme a few chords
and away I go. And so did you guys. sounded like a fun time.

I respect ANY band that gets out there and plays.
thanks for sharing.

just an aside question --
was that your PA system or supplied by the house/venue ?

[Lord Valve]

wardick wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:13:11 -0700 (PDT), IUnknown

> <stevem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Just thought I would contribute to the discussions rather than
> >lurking....
> >
> >Played a local fair and music festival last week - some fans
> >contributed some footage. Thought I would share. Who knows, maybe i'll
> >get some a.g.a cred :)
> >
> ><Puts on the flame resistant suit>
> >:)
> >
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzbImV2cJ_E
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEfpvGOW7JM
>

> Those were pretty good.

In the country of the tonedeaf, the one-eared man is king.


Lord Valve
(you figure it out)

[IUnknown]

On Sep 30, 12:14 am, Squier <squ...@strats.net> wrote:

The P.A. was provided by the house..... not that our P.A. is much
smaller :)

But yes, we are just a straight-ahead hard rock band.. Loud guitars,
80's era vocals, hard hitting drummer.... There is always someone
better than you in the audience, so I stopped obsessing about
technical mastery years ago :)

I found that if the band is having fun, and you sound good - they will
have fun, too.

[Bruce Morgen]

moonpie <mr_rc_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:58:14 -0400, Bruce Morgen <edi...@juno.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>I *loathe* Eric Clapton's playing.
>>
>>He's the most overrated
>>guitarist ever, with the
>>possible exception of
>>Jimmy Page -
>
>oh good grief.
>
>even on their worst days, both of them could play rings around you.

...could be, depends on
the kind of day I'm
having. :-)

>
>both of those guys wrote half the book that the rest of us have been
>trying to decipher with our guitars for the last 30-40 years.
>

I said they were
overrated, not that they
were incompetent -- that
said, there are dozens
of unsung players in
every major city who are
as good or better, those
two just happened to be
in the right place at the
right time during a brief
period when guitarists
could become superstars.

>And you're an idiot.

No, I'm a musician who's
neither had any trouble
"deciphering" what most
rock or blues players are
doing nor have I ever
wanted to sound like
anyone else. There are a
multitude of players
whose work impresses and
challenges me, but those
two aren't among them --
and I know I'm not all
that good.

[moonpie]

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:50:16 -0400, Bruce Morgen <edi...@juno.com>

exactly. I've heard you play. for you to slag Clapton and Page as
being over-rated, is as big of a joke as you are.

Fuck off.

Happy Friday!

[Bruce Morgen]

You're a liar.

>for you to slag Clapton and Page as
>being over-rated, is as big of a joke as you are.

Aren't you a little long in
the tooth for hero worship?
I'm just sayin'....
>
>Fuck off.
>
>Happy Friday!

Right back atcha! :-)

[JimT]

You didn't really think you could knock two of the best selling rock
guitarist in history, in a guitar group, and not expect to ruffle some
feathers did you? Page and Clapton are both living legends. There isn't
a player in here that hasn't tried to copy their riffs. Sure, the longer
they stay around the more likely they are to "throw-up" on themselves
but they still have a FANTASTIC body of work to fall back on. Neither
one is "god" but they got as close to being a "rock guitar god" as is
humanly possible.

Going to listen to "Disraeli Gears" for the billionth time.

[moonpie]

Morgen's an idiot.

[Bruce Morgen]

If popularity determined
merit, then Britney Spears
would be a bitter singer
than Billie Holiday ever
was -- and the finest
cuisine on earth would be
found at McDonald's.

rock
>guitarist in history, in a guitar group, and not expect to ruffle some
>feathers did you? Page and Clapton are both living legends.

Yup, overrrated living

legends.

>There isn't
>a player in here that hasn't tried to copy their riffs.

Not true.

> Sure, the longer
>they stay around the more likely they are to "throw-up" on themselves
>but they still have a FANTASTIC body of work to fall back on. Neither
>one is "god" but they got as close to being a "rock guitar god" as is
>humanly possible.

There are dozens of better
players in every major
city in North America and
Europe -- Clapton himself
has said as much.

>
>Going to listen to "Disraeli Gears" for the billionth time.

Pretty danged good LP --
underlines what I stated
about being in the right
place at the right time.
When that one and "Blind
Faith" are still your
career highlights 40+
years later, I don't
think words like
"overrated" are out of
line. Ymmv.

[JimT]

Britney Spears wasn't that bad. Not Janis Joplin but she had her
audience. It's what young people like and we'll see if she stands up
over the decades. I doubt it.

> would be a bitter singer
> than Billie Holiday ever
> was -- and the finest
> cuisine on earth would be
> found at McDonald's.

Some people really like McDonald's. I don't, but I like a HOT Big Mac
occasionally. They can be delicious.

> rock
>> guitarist in history, in a guitar group, and not expect to ruffle some
>> feathers did you? Page and Clapton are both living legends.
> Yup, overrrated living
> legends.
>
>> There isn't
>> a player in here that hasn't tried to copy their riffs.
> Not true.

Hyperbolic, but not too much.

>> Sure, the longer
>> they stay around the more likely they are to "throw-up" on themselves
>> but they still have a FANTASTIC body of work to fall back on. Neither
>> one is "god" but they got as close to being a "rock guitar god" as is
>> humanly possible.
> There are dozens of better
> players in every major
> city in North America and
> Europe -- Clapton himself
> has said as much.
>> Going to listen to "Disraeli Gears" for the billionth time.
> Pretty danged good LP --
> underlines what I stated
> about being in the right
> place at the right time.
> When that one and "Blind
> Faith" are still your
> career highlights 40+
> years later, I don't
> think words like
> "overrated" are out of
> line. Ymmv.

I think the word "overrated" is overrated. The guy was great. Sold out
concert halls all over the world. Still draws a crowd. His hits spanned
decades. They still use his music in movie scores. I really don't know
what he'd have to do to impress you but it works for me. His music still
moves me. My wife just bought "Me and Mr Johnson" for me. Great album.
Clapton is one of the more universally liked guitarist.

What did you think of "Unplugged"? I loved it.

[JimT]

Nah.

[Les Cargill]

Bruce Morgen wrote:
> JimT<jth...@toast.net> wrote:

<snip>

> If popularity determined
> merit, then Britney Spears
> would be a bitter singer
> than Billie Holiday ever
> was

I will bet that Billie Holiday will
be remembered long after Spears is
completely forgotten.

you can't go on record sales because
the accounting was overhauled in
1991.

<http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/60068-Michael-Jackson-s-Record-Sales-merged/page8>

> -- and the finest
> cuisine on earth would be
> found at McDonald's.
>

For a six year old, McDonalds is the
best food in the world.

--
Les Cargill